[dsgrntldPW]

Has anyone ever found out why Federal's Nyclad ammo was pulled from the civilian market? My J-frames miss it dearly and are begging me to feed them Nyclad. I really can't believe it was for lack of sales. I've asked a few dealers and all said it was a good-very good seller for them. There has to be another reason for it. Anyone know it?

[4 eyed six shooter]

I was told that the Nyclad ammo did not show the rifleing marks on the projectile very well, so it was hard to match it to the firearm it was fired from. Maybe someone else can confirm this.
Good shooting, John K

[mete]

The original design did not permit coating to be accurately engraved by the rifling, this was a complaint made by the forensic people . It was redesigned , solving the problem. As for dropping the round as far as I know it was just lack of sales.

[Standing Wolf]

I knew some people who shot it years ago, and weren't impressed with its accuracy.

[George Hill]

I talked to Federal about this in detail. It was lack of sales and nothing to do with any controversy. It was about the Money.
I am very lucky have have some boxes of 9mm Nyclads. I have these loaded in my 92FS and my Mini-XD.
If you have an unreliable gun due to feeding issues, Nyclads can be reliable in it.
They are also standard pressure, so they shoot very easily. Perfect for IDPA or what not. The soft coating allows the lead to expand freely. Some fragmentation may happen. I test these rounds in clay blocks and they fragged like magsafe loads... into water and they expanded like flower blooming.
They are my favorite 9MM load. When I run out of Nyclads (only through cycling of the carry ammo) I'll have to find alternatives.
As for accuracy, groups are not much bigger than other loads. A trade off I'm happy to pay.
They never made .45 ammo in it as far as I know... Shame. It would have been the ultimate 1911 load.

[SodaPop]

If you have an unreliable gun due to feeding issues, Nyclads can be reliable in it.


Were they anything like EFMJ's?

[CWL]

Nope. Nyclads are a nylon coating on the outside of the bullet whereas EFMJs has a silicone tip encased in the tip of a lead FMJ bullet. The EFMJ combines JHP expansion performance with reliable feeding of FMJ bullets.

[Orthonym]

Sure they weren't scared about having them confused with the dreaded "cop-killer bullets"? I seem to recall Sen. Metzenbaum or someone like him being confused like that.

[bayerta]

It is a shame that they stopped production on Nyclads. Hopefully I will soon find a replacement. I have a very limited amount of Nyclads remaining which is now carry only also.

Any suggestions out there for what a good replacement would be?

[brownie0486]

Triton or Corbon in 9mm, I like the 124 grain loads that are hot.

The better performing rounds in each caliber are usually the mid weights at good velocities.

Brownie

[Mike Irwin]

Federal pisses and moans about poor Nyclad sales...

Gee, I wonder why.

Could it be that those :cuss:ing MORON :cuss:holes never marketed the stuff?

Did anyone EVER see an ad for Nyclad? I remember ONE in the last 25 years, and hell, I remember the original announcement about its development by S&W back in the early 1970s.

[mainmech48]

I started using Nyclads back when S&W came out with them. My usual CCW at the time was either a Colt DS or a S&W M60 and 158 gr. LSWCHPs loaded to +P specs. These were the "best" load that was available until then for the .38 Spl. that were made commercially in terms of reliable terminal performance. Even those were "iffy" in terms of expansion in many snubbies.

They were also pretty rough on the gun if one insisted on practicing a lot with your carry load. Neither revolver was rated for +P use at the time, so it could get expensive to keep them up, as the warranty didn't apply.

Smith came out with the 125 gr. Nyclad "Chief's Special" load expressly to address this problem. Up until then there were no HPs loaded to standard SAAMI pressure specs for the .38 Spl. that would expand reliably at the velocity ranges obtainable from a snubbie. This one did.

When I got caught up in the "Wonder Nine" hoopla and went to a compact 9x19 for carry (it took a while, as ambi safeties from the factory were still rare and I'm a southpaw) my own quasi-scientific testing convinced me that the 124 gr. Nyclad offered the best combination of reliability in feeding and positive expansion in my pistol of the commonly available factory loads.

IMHO, it was and is a great concept that worked remarkably well in practice. Why exactly it never "took off" as well as I thought it should've I'll probably never completely understand. Too many variables for my mathematically-challenged self to juggle at one time, no doubt.

Like George, I bought as much of it as I could locate and afford when I heard that it was being discontinued. I still have a dwindling supply of 124 gr. 9x19, 125 gr. standard and 158 gr. +P .38 Spl.s, and I'm hoarding it like a miser.

[fastbolt]

Damn, I owe everyone here an apology ...

I used Nyclad for years ... back when S&W owned the rights, and then even more so after Federal bought it and produced some excellent loads.

It was discontinued for public sales because I LIKED it ...

Sorry ...

Well, that's what I've always thought, anyway ...

[feedthehogs]

I see ads for Nyclads from time to time in some of the gun rags.
I bought 1k rounds of 9mm and 500 rounds of 38spl. from Kieslers a year ago for next to nothing prices.

[George Hill]

mainmech48 - Let's go kick fastbolt's trash! :cuss: :cuss:






















:D

[fastbolt]

Damn! I KNEW I should've kept quiet about this mess ... :neener:

[Okiecruffler]

The wife is down to her last box of Nyclads for her 38, so I've been looking for some more. They aren't quite as accurate in her pistol as my reloaded WC's, but 3 inches at 15 yrds is a piece of cake. And everything we did to look at expansion showed that they worked better than any other standard pressure round we tried.

[PAshooter]

AMMOMAN.COM is still listing .38 Special Nyclad in both standard and +P loadings for those who might wish to stock up while they can. The 125 grain standard is my preferred J-frame food.

[Mannlicher]

I stocked up on the 125 and 158 grain .38s. I think I have enough to last until the next century. :D

[mainmech48]

Wish that I'd seen that ad from Keisler's. They're only a couple of hours drive from here and I have a pickup.