i didn't like their food, anyway...

http://www.lildobe.net/PAFOA_Docs/Long_John_Silvers-A&W_All_American_Food.pdf

That's like putting up a sign saying, "Rob us."

I just wonder what their reasoning is.

E-mail sent. Let's all hit this clown hard!

"Dear Riyad:

I recently read the memo you issued regarding the new discriminatory policy against allowing law abiding, legally licensed, gun owners to enter your store.

It's really sad that ignorance and unfounded fears dictate policy in your store. CCW laws have decreased violent crime in every state with right-to-carry and have saved lives during robberies.

You won't have to worry about me ever entering your store. My money will be gladly spent at your competitors."

No date appears on the notice.I wonder if this policy was just recently initiated.
It certainly is not a corporate policy.I've eaten in 3 different LJS in 2 different states recently and none had any no firearms signs.
I do prefer Red Lobster if there's one around.:)

I do think this was specific to the stare at the given address. Store number 3680.
How much traffic does this policy affect for the other stores in this chain that has no policy?

How much traffic does this policy affect for the other stores in this chain that has no policy?


None,IMO.

In PA this sign doesn't have any weight of the law behind it... They are correct in the fact that they can ask you to leave and if you refuse they can charge you with trespassing.

The last time I ate at LJS was about 11 years ago. I told the wife to remind me to NEVER eat their again. Their food sucks!

Now A&W? I'm not sure if I've ever eaten in one of those. But for those of us in Texas concealed is concealed and if there is no 30-06 on the door they can kiss our, well you get the idea.

Yup. If there is no sign on the door, it's perfectly okay for you to support their anti-gun policies financially. And if their sign isn't a "legal" one, it's also okay for you to support their anti-gun policies financially.

There is no way to boycott every business that has an anti in a senior position.

Boycotts do not work.

Boycotts do not work.

Especially if you don't TELL them why they are being boycotted. If they don't know, they don't change their policies, they don't know how much their business is actually being effected by their policies.

So, unless every time that you would have gone to eat at the stinky fish place you walk in tell the manager/owner that you were going to eat here today but because of their policies you are going elsewhere. About the 3rd time you do this they are going to call the cops and issue a no trespassing warning against you because they'll think you are a freak!

Put yourself in their shoes, guy comes in for the 3rd time talking about business and GUNS! :eek: what do you think the sheeple are going to do? They probably think you are going to come back and shoot up the place!

There are entirely too many freaks out there in the real world. I consider myself one of the more "educated" people of society as a whole and do not intend on educating someone with the correct way to do things.

So needless to say, I am not going to storm in there saying "well, if you really wanted to keep out people in Texas with concealed carry you would post a 30.06 sign here, that states this and has to be this size and this color"

I mean who are we kidding right?

They'll lose more business being robbed or from employee theft I am sure of that.

So the point being here is that unless you plan on doing your part, and that can take a lot of work, simply not spending money there may keep you from getting heartburn but won't do anything about them changing their policies. This includes being for or against gun control. Spending more money there will not result in them sending that extra cash to the Brady campaign if that's what you are thinking.

Keep in mind, folks, that this is likely a franchise operation and this is the policy of the franchisee, NOT corporate. The linked letter seems to back that up by limiting its effect to that specific store.

If it were corporate, it wouldn't limit the policy to ONE store. It would have been a blanket policy for all stores. If you plan to boycott, make sure you boycott the right one. The corporate office isn't likely to interfere with the franchisee on this one, and that is pretty much going to be the case for any franchise operation.

Concealed means concealed.

Email has been sent.

That is why we have concealed weapons permits.

Sadly this is another case of an ignorant fool that wishes to identify themselves as a "gun-free zone". More power to him.:rolleyes:

LJS is another "YUM Brands" restaurant, isn't it?

Frankly, none of their restaurants serve food I would exactly call "yummy."

At least they were kind enough to put their e-mail at the bottom of their page. Time to drop them a line.

We've got 60,000 members here.

We've changed corporate minds in the past.

If 60,000 people call/write the corporate headquarters, and tell 'em that they just lost their business, guess what happens? The management dweeb who thought up the "safety" policy gets slapped down.

But until gun people get motivated again, that isn't going to easily happen...

Now, I know I can't make a huge difference by myself, but if I know that a specific entity doesn't want my business, I try not to give it to them. I don't shop at Schnuck's markets (biggest grocer in this region). I don't buy tires at Dobbs Auto (biggest Goodyear chain in the St. Louis area). And I've told management at both why.

I'm just one ant in the hill.

And now someone's gonna post that he doesn't like Goodyear tires anyway... Sigh...

There is a LJS in the town I live by and I don't remember them having a sign. I haven't ever heard of them saying anything to anybody but guns are very common around here. That may make a difference.

I sent him this:

http://www.kunefke.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/gunfreezonecartoon.jpg

E-mail sent. Honestly fellas, the guy put the store's e-mail address ON THE PAGE. It can't get any easier than this. This took me all of 90 seconds to write and send. Please do your part, even if you never have and never will eat at one of these restaurants.

"I recently read your submission in which you stated that your restaurant does not respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners who carry a sidearm for self-protection. The irony present in ignoring the document that this country was founded upon while calling your restaurant "All-American" is apalling to say the least.

I will gladly take my money elsewhere, and I will let my friends know of your policy as well.

Sincerely,
(My name here)"

The irony present in ignoring the document that this country was founded upon while calling your restaurant "All-American" is apalling to say the least.

I usually ignore posts like this, but the irony here is so strong that it almost makes me laugh. They are not ignoring the Constitution. The Constitution doesn't even really apply to a private business, as it is a document that limits the power of the government and really nothing more. In fact, I can think if few things more American than a private business that makes its own policies. Sure, I think the policy is dumb and will not be visiting LJS in the future (hell, I've never been to a LJS anyway). That is our right as consumers, and maybe it will be enough to sway the LJS corporation to change its policy. You just can't get any more American than that.

Boycotts do not work.



Depends on what you hope to achieve and what your expectations are.

Will I every boycott a business' management into truly altering their beliefs?

Hardly. If a change is occur, it would be disingeneous. The change would only demonstrate that they have a "buying" price.

If, however, I boycott an organization because I choose not to let my monies spent enhance their wealth, then my boycott has achieved its purpose.

I vote with my dollars whenever I have a chance. I choose not to vote for those who actively take a position contrary to my views.


So, in that regard, a boycott works fine.


-- John

Boycot-Questionable!
Letting them know you wont be doing busness with them =AND TELLING THEM YOU WILL SPREAD THE WORD .....Verry Likely to cause them to change there policy -Especially If you re-write them during a down turn in ther economy and tell them HEY-How busness now that we have spread the word --Looking at the books running in the red can have a great effect on busness decisions -resulting in policy changes ..!
Kick em when there down !

thats a funny ass picture..;)

Email sent

ETA: mail came back as undeliverable is e-mail addy 3680@ljsilvers.com?

Boycotts do not work.

Boycotts do work.

Now it's your turn again.

Baptists boycotted Disney to stop "Gay Days" .... Didn't work

United States boycott Olympics to stop Russian occupation of Afghanistan... didn't work

There are plenty more

I'm boycotting this thread.
Here's Mr.Boycott's story:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O48-BoycottCharlesCunningham.html

Well, it is their property and they have the right to restrict any item they please. As I was once told when complaining about how my Dad scored my pistol targets- his range, his rules.

By the same token, I am under no obligation to visit that establishment. In the end, it probably will not matter. For when people have a 'mission' and the market does not support them, they go to the legislature. Once the precedent was set with smoking, CCW and open carry was bound to follow.

Selena

luckily for me, I honestly have never seen a "no guns" sign anywhere I have been here in Eugene, and I'm not aware of any of the few places I go having a corporate "no guns" policy in regards to customers. But, if there were any here I knew about, I'm more than happy to tell them they wont be getting my money. It takes all of 30 seconds at best. so, I did send the guy an E-mail. I dont live anywhere near the resteraunt in question, )and I'm not even sure if there is a LJS in Oregon), but that idiot doesn't know that ;), and I didnt specify where I was, just that I would not spend my money there, and why.

I don't shop at Schnuck's markets (biggest grocer in this region). I don't buy tires at Dobbs Auto (biggest Goodyear chain in the St. Louis area). And I've told management at both why.


What kind of a stupid, bumbling response do they usually give you?

Usually they looked at my beltline, and asked if I had a gun. I then informed them that since I KNOW the law, and abide by it, like anyone who took and passed one of the courses, and background checks, I left the thing in the car. With my wallet, money and credit cards, none of which will ever darken their doorsteps...

Then they usually say something about "insurance," or "safety." At which point I comment that they need to buy their "insurance" or take "safety" lessons from companies like Wal-Mart, which don't discriminate against people who can prove that they are are not criminals.

I dont care for LJS anyway. The fish kinda taste like chicken, and the chicken kinda tastes like fish. If not for the different texture, I probably couldnt tell them apart.

LJS:barf:


Fish arent square, or stick-shaped.

Arrr. Me wonders whether the scurvy dogs at LJS be objectin' if I carries me pirate pistol.

Since they don't recognize "Acts" (presumably meaning Acts of the State legislature), that means in essence that they are anarchists, or at least think they can pick and choose the laws they want to abide by. So write them back and say "I don't recognize the acts that says I shouldn't do donuts in your grass, and throw rocks through your windows."

I just emailed them - thanks for the info!

Arrr. Me wonders whether the scurvy dogs at LJS be objectin' if I carries me pirate pistol.

Lol, is that the Ebonics-Pirate dialect?

Baptists boycotted Disney to stop "Gay Days" .... Didn't work

United States boycott Olympics to stop Russian occupation of Afghanistan... didn't work

There are plenty more

Those were ineffective boycotts. Effective boycotts always work. They never fail.

So there.

I also wonder if he has proper authorization from corporate to make such a bold proclamation. I seriously doubt it. The HQ needs to be notified of this rogue.

Update:

This....

Recipient: <3680@ljsilvers.com>
Reason: 5.7.1 <3680@ljsilvers.com>: Recipient address rejected: Access denied


Please reply to <Postmaster@cox.net>
if you feel this message to be in error.

is what I got back after sending my email. It would seem he's already gotten enough heat to have to change his store's email address - lol. Send snail mail, boys and girls!

Either that, or it was an OLD fax, and the store has changed hands three times...

Best thing to do with a franchise is express your opinion at the corporate management. They will slap the franchisee...

Who cares. If your gun is concealed what does it matter? The most they can do is ask you to leave. Seems like a non-issue to me.

Since they don't recognize "Acts" (presumably meaning Acts of the State legislature), that means in essence that they are anarchists, or at least think they can pick and choose the laws they want to abide by. So write them back and say "I don't recognize the acts that says I shouldn't do donuts in your grass, and throw rocks through your windows."

Which law are they not abiding by in not allowing someone on their property to carry a gun?

While we may hate seeing signs and policies at businesses that create victim disarmament zones, they are breaking no laws by doing so. At least no federal laws. I'd also add that if there are state laws denying them the right to deny access to folks carrying guns, that the state itself is probably the one choosing which laws to abide by.

And you're advocating that people threaten to vandalize their property because you don't like the way they run their business? Very nice.

If you're gun is concealed, and you spend money in the joint, than you are sorta hypocritical for supporting the same folks who insult you by asking you to go unarmed "for safety."