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RancidSumo
June 23, 2008, 01:16 PM
Are there enough Garands out there that I will still be able to pick one up no problem for a reasonable price in a year? Also, are the correct grade Garands worth the extra $400? I am thinking that the answer to both questions is yes but I don't know **** about Garands other than I know that they are awsome and I want one.

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RenardSubtil
June 23, 2008, 03:08 PM
When I was researching which grade to purchase from the CMP, the Service grade was considered the more "shootable" grade with slightly newer mixed parts, and the correct grade was more prone to have matching numbers and what not.

That being said, my two recently purchased Service Grade HR garands came with mixed SA and HRA parts but they were in good condition and the barrels look real nice :D

nbkky71
June 23, 2008, 04:38 PM
While there may be enough M1 rifles to last for several years, I can almost guarantee that the prices will not come down. Either buy it now or save your pennies but plan on a price higher than todays.

If you plan on using the rifle as a 'shooter' buy a service grade & use the extra money to buy a case or two of ammo. That is, unless you must have a 'correct' rifle with the possibility of a slightly better cosmetic appearance.

Trebor
June 23, 2008, 04:56 PM
The Service Grade is the best value for the money. You'll won't notice any difference, except perhaphs minor cosmetic differences, if pay the extra for the "correct grade."

For a shooter, get a Service Grade and spend the rest on ammo. Buy as SOON AS YOU CAN!

RancidSumo
June 23, 2008, 07:28 PM
I might be able to get one as soon a 6months but I want to get an AR now. I might go with the Garand now and AR later though. I CAN'T DECIDE!!

Bentonville
June 23, 2008, 07:34 PM
Get the best M1 you can afford now with the most correct parts. You will not regret it. It's living history and you will treasure it. I lucked up about 6 years ago and found a 1943 Springfield with all the correct parts for 450. I had bought two M1s (one a Winchester) from DCM but they are all mixmasters with DCM stocks and reparked although authentic and wonderful.
The ARs are plentiful and will be AND are not so historical. M1s are not so plentiful and they have the U.S. military markings which to me makes them much more desireable. While you are at it, go ahead and find a good U.S. military M1 Carbine too. They aren't making any more.

rodregier
June 23, 2008, 07:36 PM
RancidSumo:

If you are more of a collector, get the Garand. If you are more of a shooter, get the AR.

RancidSumo
June 23, 2008, 08:18 PM
I am more of a shooter but both guns look like a lot of fun to shoot. Mabey my mom will see the light and let me get both.

brooks
June 23, 2008, 08:20 PM
The supply is getting tight. The correct grade now is $900 plus.

My friend now has about 6 M1's most are DCM's and a couple are correct grades. Saturday, he was shooting his first M1 from SOG or wherever and thinks this is his most accurate M1-- BUT he had it worked on by Clint Fowler a M1 guru.

Wringing the last couple of inches of accuracy out of a Garand gets expensive.

RancidSumo
June 23, 2008, 08:31 PM
Who made a better Garand, Springfield or H&R?

NC-Mike
June 23, 2008, 08:46 PM
I thought I wanted to collect so I bought a couple Garands. Worked on them to get them is shooting shape when I found I didn't want to collect, I wanted to shoot. Quickly sold both M1's and bought a couple AR's.

Never missed the M1's.

NC-Mike
June 23, 2008, 08:49 PM
Who made a better Garand, Springfield or H&R?

Neither, all the parts are mil-spec and you can mix and match from different manufacturers. Certain manufacturers are more valuable to collectors only because of the rarity of the particular brand.

Springfield made the most M1's, hence they are the least expensive M1.

RancidSumo
June 23, 2008, 09:02 PM
So I take it that you are one more vote for the AR?

threefeathers
June 23, 2008, 09:10 PM
Undrstand that I just got a second carbine in from the CMP and already have 2 Garands.
But, with the coming political debate you should get an AR and get it pretty soon. I have 9 of them. You'll have it, Garands will actually be avalible for some time to come.

chauncey
June 23, 2008, 10:06 PM
If you are more of a collector, get the Garand. If you are more of a shooter, get the AR.

I believe that the AR is one of the easiest rifle platforms to learn to shoot accurately.

I would rather shoot my Garand, any day, over an AR. it very pleasant to shoot, easy to maintain, accurate, and the ammo is pretty cheap. and it shoots a superior cartridge (imo).

G17Steve
June 23, 2008, 10:17 PM
Who made a better Garand, Springfield or H&R?

You forgot International Harvester!

I have an International Harvester or "tractor" garand as they are called, picked it up at a gun show awhile back never have shot it.

Like said above all are milspec and none were really better then another.

Rugerlvr
June 23, 2008, 10:24 PM
I bought a correct grade SA, and the thing is just an amazing shooter. Never had a FTF and it is superbly accurate. It's also beautiful. I definitely got a choice rifle.

NC-Mike
June 23, 2008, 11:17 PM
So I take it that you are one more vote for the AR?

Nah, that's just my own deal.

I do like the M1, its just the two I had were more the collector variety than good shooters. Both had sewer-pipe bores but even still, one still grouped to a certain degree. I would like to build one up with a new barrel and new wood but that is not in my immediate plans. I want another AR first. :)

I find the accuracy and the ease of mounting optics on the AR platform to be the deciding factor for me.

Rosstradamus
June 24, 2008, 12:54 AM
Are there enough Garands out there that I will still be able to pick one up no problem for a reasonable price in a year?

According to an article in the Summer 2008 issue of GCA Journal (magazine of the Garand Collectors Assn., which you should join), last year 102,000 M1 Garands were returned from Greece. They were given away as foreign aid decades ago. Now they're back, and the CMP has them. Don't worry about their time in Greece. The HRA Service Grade I bought from the CMP three years ago was really dirty, but it had a nearly new replacement stock that is quite beautiful. Original barrel but SA bolt. It shoots great (2 MOA with Lake City Match).

Also, are the correct grade Garands worth the extra $400

IMO, no. I got two Service Grades (the HRA mentioned above and a '45 SA with original bolt and barrel), and they are all I could ask for in M1's.

I do recommend a Holbrook Thumb Saver though. ($45 last time I checked) It keeps the bolt from slamming forward and makes ejecting the clip a manual operation too. Easy to install and easy to take back out if you want to go retro.

1KPerDay
June 24, 2008, 12:08 PM
Get the garand. I have several ARs and several Garands. The M1 is the absolute coolest rifle ever made. ARs are a dime a dozen. Good rifles, but... meh... ARs will be plentiful and cheap for many years, IMO. Everybody and their dog makes one. And 5.56 ammo is just about as pricey as .30 ball right now, which is NUTS.

Mr White
June 24, 2008, 04:05 PM
Unless you're looking into becoming a serious collector, don't be too concerned with a correct grade gun. Find a good shooting gun and jump on it. Mine's a mix of parts from different periods of time. Milled trigger guard on a 5.8M receiver, WWII-era trigger components, Postwar rear sights, H&R stock, ... It's a great shooter and its a genuine USGI, Depot-rebuild-correct Garand, and that's all I care about.

Neo-Luddite
June 24, 2008, 06:20 PM
While I appreciate and respect the collector aspect of the M-1--I don't get into the finer points of it.

A solid rifle that is in spec and has a solid gas system and bore is a joy.

I like weapons and not wall hangers.


AR's are great--and I more and more find myself desiring one to mess with.

But if it came down to it, I would get the M-1 first and all the ammo you can afford.

The AR's are NOT likely to 'go away' any time soon--it's really awesome that so many people are into them and they've become mainstream.

mcmoyer
June 24, 2008, 06:29 PM
Garands are a joy to shoot....and the ammo is cheaper than the 5.56 right now. However, AR's are also a hoot to shoot. If I didn't have either now I'd probably pick up a service grade M-1 & some ammo from the CMP, then save up & pick up parts & build an AR as I went along.

:D

RancidSumo
June 24, 2008, 06:49 PM
The reason that I am very temted to get the AR over a Garand is the possibility of another AWB. Garands would not be affected. I may buy the garand and see if I can get a stripped lower and some mags for the AR so if there is a ban I'll be alright.

RancidSumo
June 24, 2008, 08:13 PM
Well, I just spoke with my dad and I think I have decided to get the Garand. He thinks I will have more fun with a service grade Garand then with an AR. I will end up with an AR eventually but I think it will be the Garand first. Now we just need to get to an appleseed to meet the CMP requirement and sign up at the Laramie Rifle Range for a club membership. Is the Greek ammo and the mags it comes in any good?

P5 Guy
June 24, 2008, 08:27 PM
You will not regret getting an M1 over an AR15. When you place your order at the CMP make sure to buy some M2 ball to go with the rifle.
It would be a lot easier for the next White house occupant to stop the CMP from operating, as they are a government agency, sort of, than getting a new AWB in place in less than 6 months.

RancidSumo
June 24, 2008, 09:05 PM
Is the M2 Ball better then the Greek? I will get at least one can of the greek to get all the extra mags but after that I am either going to order 2 cans of M2 Ball or one case of Greek. I need to know wich one I should get though, the H&R or the Sprinfield. They are the only ones that they have both in service grade

NC-Mike
June 24, 2008, 09:15 PM
Greek .30-06 ammunition. HXP (Pyrkal) manufacture.

That's the only ammo the CMP has. Its all Greek M2 Ball, the only difference is the packaging and whether you get it in enbloc clips or boxed rounds.

Its excellent ammo.

Item number 415DCAN is 192 rounds in 8 round clips and bandos, packed in a 30cal ammo can for 54.00. That seems like a pretty good deal.

As for which M1 you should get, get which one you want. If it was me, I'd get the H&R but it makes no difference.

RancidSumo
June 24, 2008, 09:18 PM
Are the clips of good quality as well? I have been leaning to the H&R mainly because someone said that Springfield are the most common.

NC-Mike
June 24, 2008, 09:22 PM
Are the clips of good quality as well? I have been leaning to the H&R mainly because someone said that Springfield are the most common.

I haven't heard of many people having any trouble with the Greek clips. I sure didn't.

You should check out the CMP forums, lots of info over there.

As for the H&R VS SA. Remember, the only part that may be H&R or SA is the receiver. All the other parts will be mixed. There's mostly SA parts, cause they made the most.

P5 Guy
June 24, 2008, 11:01 PM
3 M1s in the safe; 1943 made around Feb, 1944 made in Oct and a 1955 that is three months older than I am. Only the '55 has the parts it came from Mass. with, the others have parts from all the other makers but International Harvester.
M2 ball is the round that these rifles are designed for. Most all of the commercial .30'06 will have an inappropriate powder burn rate for the gas system. And yes the Greek surplus is M2 ball.
When the first Greek returns went on sale the Rack Grades sold for $295. Now, just a few years later they sell for $400. Get yourself to the CMP and buy a Service Grade you won't be disappointed.

MAKster
June 25, 2008, 12:18 PM
The list of ammo CMP is selling is a little confusing because they describe some of it as HXP and some as M-2 Pyrkal. I'm not sure why they are giving it different names if only the packaging is different.

Geno
June 25, 2008, 12:36 PM
I have 2 M1s, an H&R and a Springfield. Both are fun, accurate and exciting. I suggest purchasing the Service Grade or the Field Grade.

RancidSumo
June 25, 2008, 01:40 PM
Doc2005, which do you like more? Are they both service grade?

Rugerlvr
June 25, 2008, 02:06 PM
It would be a lot easier for the next White house occupant to stop the CMP from operating, as they are a government agency, sort of

I don't think so. Clinton privatized it, because he didn't want the government in the business of selling rifles to the public. With that said, I believe that the only thing a new government could do is cut off the supply of surplus rifles coming from the Pentagon.

Geno
June 25, 2008, 03:31 PM
For "pretty" effect my SA is prettier because a former serviceman owned it for the better part of 4 decades. It was rebarreled in (I think) 1956 and has remained virtually unused since. While it is a tack-driver, it stays mostly in the vault. Also, it has a pretty low serial number 8XX,XXX.

The H&R is a CMP, "Field Grade" and is more of a shooter for me. The wood is notably beat-up, but the steel is awesome. It too is very accurate, but I am more inclined to use it regularly because the wood is not pristine. In terms of desireable, for me, I prefer the H&R because they were closer to rare than the SA.

SA made about 8 times as many M1s as did H&R. That said, both are awesome!!! They are both M1s. If you can, go directly to one of the CMPs so you can hand-select the one you want. :D It is pure fantasy land!!!

Some day, I will buy a Winchester M1 and an International Harvester M1. In terms of any "quality" differences between the two M1s (SA or H&R), there are none. It is pure choice (preference).

Doc2005

P5 Guy
June 25, 2008, 10:44 PM
Ruderlvr, I'm not sure, but the US military surplussed these rifles to the CMP and I'd hate to see them ask them back to run through the chipper:mad:.

Neo-Luddite
June 25, 2008, 10:59 PM
I would never bet that the M-1 won't be part of a future AWB that would include the AR-15.

For now, it flies below the gun banners radar in the whole of the US and Canada.

If the prohibitionists understood, and believed their own BS, they would lie awake at night for the UTTER TERROR of the knowledge that free citizens had M-1's in their closet and were increasingly unhappy with their rhetoric.

Or maybe they are--

so don't count on that M-1 being 'legal' after AWB-II.

Geno
June 26, 2008, 12:13 AM
RancidSumo:

FWIW, if cash is a consideration that would keep one from buying an M1 until saving $995.00 for a Correct Grade or $595.00 for a Service Grade, I would buy a $445.00 Rack Grade now, not "higher" grade later. The tolerance differences that separate the CMP's $445.00 Rack Grade to the $595.00 Field Grade are not enough to merit the extra money. Not for daily shooting.

As the folks at the Appleseed shoots acknowledge, the rifleman should be able to hit the humanoide sized targets at 500 yards with a Rack Grade rifle. The Rack Grades that I saw at the CMP were fine firearms, especially the steel. The wood was more beat-up, but to me, that is a character mark. :) Besides, one can save the money an buy a brand-spanking new stock if they choose.

I personally would have no reservations about buying a $445.00 Rack Grade M1 through the CMP, especially for a shooter. If you want a wall-hanger, you want a Correct Grade or a Collector Grade.

Doc2005

Swampy
June 26, 2008, 09:06 AM
Is the M2 Ball better then the Greek? I will get at least one can of the greek to get all the extra mags but after that I am either going to order 2 cans of M2 Ball or one case of Greek.

Note: Greek HXP headstamp IS M2 spec ammo.... and generally better quality than US made Lake City M2.

Also note: The M1 rifle uses an "enbloc clip"... NOT "mags". The magazine of the M1 rifle is integral with the receiver. The magazine is loaded with the "enbloc clip" that the M2 ammo comes loaded on.

Best,
Swampy

Garands forever

NC-Mike
June 26, 2008, 10:14 AM
I bought a rack grade M1 from the CMP.

All I can say is I will NEVER do that again. I would suggest staying with field grade or preferably service grade. The extra money will be well spent.

ftierson
June 26, 2008, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by RancidSumo
The reason that I am very temted to get the AR over a Garand is the possibility of another AWB. Garands would not be affected. I may buy the garand and see if I can get a stripped lower and some mags for the AR so if there is a ban I'll be alright.

As Neo-Luddite says, don't base your decision on the assumption that Garands wouldn't be affected by any future AWB...

The US Government can pass any unconstitutional law that they want to pass and attempt to enforce it...

Garands weren't affected by the last one, but that was then and this is now...

Forrest

NC-Mike
June 26, 2008, 12:54 PM
HR 1022...

The new gun ban that is still in committee and has over 50 co-sponsors. It bans Garands, Mini-14's, semi-auto shotguns, M1 Carbines...

All that good stuff.

And the SCOTUS decision today will not slow down these people by a second.

RancidSumo
June 26, 2008, 02:04 PM
Also note: The M1 rifle uses an "enbloc clip"... NOT "mags". The magazine of the M1 rifle is integral with the receiver. The magazine is loaded with the "enbloc clip" that the M2 ammo comes loaded on.


Thanks for clearing that up, as you can probably see, I am new to the M1. I will be placing my order for a service grade H&R Garand and several hundred rounds of ammo next weekend.

Geno
June 26, 2008, 02:34 PM
Good call, friend! You will be pleased at how nice they are. The wood on the Service Grades is nice indeed!

Doc2005

mcmoyer
June 26, 2008, 08:34 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, as you can probably see, I am new to the M1. I will be placing my order for a service grade H&R Garand and several hundred rounds of ammo next weekend.


You won't regret it!!

:D

Threeband
June 26, 2008, 09:17 PM
I got both. The service grade really is the better all around buy. The Correct is very nice, but the difference isn't that great, especially from a shooting versus collecting standpoint.

You can live almost indefinately on potatos. One 40 watt light bulb is all you really need. You don't really NEED a social life, do you?

You see, a few imperceptible adjustments in your daily routine and you can EASILY afford BOTH a Service Grade M1 and an AR.

Isn't that the High Road way?

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