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mr.72
June 24, 2008, 12:00 PM
but it occurred to me today while driving to work.

I read the column by the Mayor of Atlanta with references to "gun violence" and how many people were "killed by guns". Rights advocates may typically point out that it is not the gun which killed these people, but it was other people who killed them. Guns are not violent, they are inanimate objects.

Similarly we know that many deaths each year are ruled as traffic fatalities. In fact, over 40,000 people each year are killed in a traffic incident, nearly twice the number who are killed in an incident involving a gun. During most of these incidents, a car was involved. So we might reasonably say that if guns are the cause of the "gun deaths", then cars are the cause of the "traffic deaths". So by the same logic, those who really want to save lives, especially those of children, who almost never own or drive a car and therefore are merely innocent victims, should seek to ban the automobile from private ownership and use. You can own a car, but you cannot use it outside your home. Law enforcement can of course have cars.

The same argument applies here as well. If we outlaw cars, then only outlaws will have cars. My best defense against an assailant in a car is my own car. If only outlaws have cars, then while all of us law-abiding citizens are walking down the street to work or school or wherever we are going, then there is nothing to prevent a maniac from illegally running us all down in his car. We would have to await the police to show up in their cars, since we would all be defenseless against the assailant with his car. However if each of us is in our own car, then we are on equal footing. The assailant cannot just knock out dozens of us at a time. He has to challenge us one car at a time.

Since cars "cause" twice the number of deaths each year as do guns, then it only makes sense that those who seek to ban guns should endeavor with double the urgency to ban cars. However as I have illustrated, while the rate of deaths due to cars will definitely dramatically decrease upon banning cars, many law-abiding people will be made defenseless against one who might seek to use a car to commit a crime.

The same exact thing is true for guns.

My best defense against a criminal with a gun is my own gun. If I am deprived of my own gun, then criminals have the ability to overpower me at will just as if we were all deprived of our cars and walking defenselessly down the street.

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scrat
June 24, 2008, 12:02 PM
ok this is the second best thing i have heard today.

Rudy Kohn
June 24, 2008, 12:10 PM
Additionally, since it's very hard to conceal a car on one's person, it is much easier for law enforcement to find and arrest illegal and malicious "carmen." ;)

chubbmann
June 24, 2008, 12:25 PM
You're so right, take away the cars to save lives. I guess we should scrap oil to save polar bears and stop fighting wars to preserve life.

I hate all the talk over the syptoms with hardly any discussion about the disease. Liberals make me sad when I think of all that they have wrong. All that sincere passion would be so better spent in the republican party...

Henry Bowman
June 24, 2008, 12:37 PM
Some members of the medical/legal community have "smartened up" a bit and have begun referring to the culprit as "gunshot violence." http://www.health-alliance.com/newsflash.nsf/e798a862e3491599852573cc004ba19e/7f36e6eb1e0d164985257168005f1abb?OpenDocument It's harder to argue that "it wasn't the gunshot that killed them." They are still just as anti-gun, they've just changed the symantics as gamesmanship.

D94R
June 24, 2008, 12:38 PM
I've tried this argument with someone who is un-admitedly anti. Their response was "what a dumb twist on the gun situation, it doesn't even make sense".


You can't teach the ones who won't listen.

Picard
June 24, 2008, 02:42 PM
The main problem is that they don't see the purpose in owning a firearm. These people don't know the history of this country or the reason why we have the 2nd Amendment. When we try to explain it to them, they only deny it. They use cars every day so it's easy for them to understand why they are important. We must help them understand why firearms are important as well.

Change for the better must happen but if it does, it will happen slowly, as social changes often do. Take people shooting, be a 2nd Amendment activist, and good things will happen.

mr.72
June 24, 2008, 03:00 PM
I understand the argument, "the only purpose of carrying guns is for killing people, while to kill people with a car is to use it other than for its purpose". So their perception is that guns only have a downside.

However I think the point we need to continue to make is that normal people carrying guns is both a passive and an active deterrent to violent crime. This is a point that most people can readily understand because it easily hits home, and it demonstrates the practical utility of guns. Taking them shooting or becoming a 2A advocate will not forward this point. I think many people consider gun owners who go shooting for recreation and are 2A advocates to be fringe "gun nuts" and they are prejudiced against agreeing with anyone who they think is "fringe".

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