Equip your Troops with ONE Infantry Rifle


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Blain
August 25, 2003, 01:38 AM
Equip your Troops with ONE Infantry Rifle, what would it be? You can pick any rifle your little heart desires. Feel free to explain why you choose what you did.


Here's mine!

http://www.fjvollmer.com/A%20Gun%20Photos/August%202003/8-5/M1A/MVC-010F.JPG

http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=56687

http://home.comcast.net/~mvm6756/wsb/media/209564/site1011.jpg

http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/tactical/mfs_a2.jpg
Simply buisness....

Reasons are accuracy, knockdown power, penetration, reliability, and simplicity.

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WonderNine
August 25, 2003, 04:45 AM
My father fired alot of M-14's in the army and he always talks about how heavy they are. Wouldn't they be a little unwieldy and cumbersome under alot of battle conditions like urban fighting or close quarters fighting? Don't get me wrong, I like the .308, but wouldn't something with a pistol grip and a little bit lighter be better? Like an FAL?

Or if they could redesign the gas system and takedown of the AR-10 so that it doesn't $h1t where it eats, it would be the perfect infantry weapon. Nice, light, handy, ergonomic, excellent cartridge, good sights, ect.

Blain
August 25, 2003, 07:35 AM
A Fal is heavier, not lighter. Shotguns are for CCB, not rifles!

Joe Demko
August 25, 2003, 07:50 AM
Gosh, what a surprise, Blain. You picked the one you own. How many other rifles do you have any 1st hand experience with *at all?*

Iain
August 25, 2003, 08:43 AM
The FAMAS - just to upset everyone.

This argument is getting a little tired.

Steve Smith
August 25, 2003, 09:15 AM
The argment IS getting a little tired, but let's be civil.

Soap
August 25, 2003, 09:49 AM
I would equip my unit with Justin, El Tejon, Chris Rhines, Glock Glockler, Skunk, falconer, Steve Smith, CR Sam, Art Eatman, Dave McCracken, Gewher98, 4V50 Gary, JShirley, Jeff White, the TN Mafia, Erick, George Hill, Al Thompson, Byron Quick, Corriea, etc. and we could be a black sheep type of group. We would be armed with whatever the hell we want, logistics be damned! :D

DMK
August 25, 2003, 09:55 AM
The argment IS getting a little tired... Still, if I owned those beautiful rifles, I'd be proud of them too.

I'd equip my troops with AKs, politically correct BS be damned. :neener:
However, a designated markman or two with ACOGed M-14s is never a bad idea. I just don't think there is *one rifle* that can solve all a modern infantry's problems.

OF
August 25, 2003, 10:05 AM
M4's with Aimpoints, forward vertical grips, laser target designators and flashlights. The M14 may have been the appropriate infantry rifle 40 years ago, but it is not well suited to modern warfare. Nostalgia isn't on the list of criteria a modern infantry rifle should possess...necessarily :) The only thing our infantry needs to be using to engage targets beyond 250 yards or so is the Air Force.

- Gabe

Futo Inu
August 25, 2003, 10:14 AM
That FAL in .260 wouldn't be a half-bad choice, in a lightweight config/bbl, maybe with some Trijicon reflex sights.

goalie
August 25, 2003, 12:15 PM
Whenever you try to make ONE implement do MANY things you end up with ONE implement that can do MANY things mediocre, but nothing, or at best, one thing, very well. There is no "One rifle" that does it all.

Badger Arms
August 25, 2003, 12:32 PM
St. Johns:

I second your vote. The FAMAS G2 version. Takes AR magazines and is one heck of an ergonomic weapon. I normally don't like the concept of bullpups, but it sure as HECK beats lugging the fencepost with an 8" flash suppressor that appears up top.

4v50 Gary
August 25, 2003, 12:42 PM
Wow! You have 4 M-14s? Gee, can you spare one for a brother who is down on his luck? ;)

OK, I would go with the M-1 Carbine. Here's how it would work:

Monday - Pvt. John gets to carry it for the rest of the squad.
Tuesday - Pvt. Smith gets to carry it for the rest of the squad.
Wednesday - Pvt. Benham carries it for the rest of the squad.
Thursday - Pvt. Lee carries it.
Friday - Pvt. Martinez.
Saturday - Pvt. LeBlanc
Sunday - Pvt. Taliferro

We got three extra privates who can carry spare magazines, water and umbrellas & lawn chairs, boom box, baseball & gloves, etc. I think I'll have one happy squad. Just don't ask us to get into a firefight. :uhoh:

SelfProclaimedExpert
August 25, 2003, 12:52 PM
G11. Hey, why not?



But I do dig the Famas as well. Small, tough, no gas system. Same with the G3 or HK33.

Soap
August 25, 2003, 01:26 PM
The pic in the bottom was taken by Skunk...and it is Skunk's rifle.

duckfoot
August 25, 2003, 01:29 PM
40 megawatt plasma rifle:D

Mike Irwin
August 25, 2003, 02:25 PM
An Arquebus.

Grump
August 25, 2003, 03:21 PM
A Beretta Model 70 series with slightly stretched magwell to take either the 6mm SAW or one of our own THR guys' 6mm Ultra.

The GPMG would fire the same round. Next up in the unit would be .50 BMG.

Beyond the scope, but I'd also standardize on ONE pistol/SMG round. Probably .40 S&W for morale purposes, since the 9mm is still getting criticized.

Two, count 'em, two infantry rounds. Everything else is crew-served.:cool:

Bart Noir
August 25, 2003, 03:24 PM
Sorry, Mike, you should have read the manual. Now your troops have smoothbores, not rifles. Can't even stick a bayonet on the end. Wait, we can invent the plug-bayonet, and stick it in the muzzle. Yeah, plays hell with the rate-of-fire, but if the enemy gets within sticking range, a matchlock's rate-of-fire might not be so important.

I'd vote for a G-36 rifle, with grenade launchers under some of them.

Bart Noir

ShaiVong
August 25, 2003, 03:32 PM
10/22's.

Mike Irwin
August 25, 2003, 03:41 PM
Smoothbores are far superior to these new fangled rifly things....

SodaPop
August 25, 2003, 05:21 PM
The best grunt rifle is the AK-74.

seeker_two
August 25, 2003, 05:38 PM
I would equip my unit with Justin, El Tejon, Chris Rhines, Glock Glockler, Skunk , falconer, Steve Smith, CR Sam, Art Eatman, Dave McCracken, Gewher98, 4V50 Gary, JShirley, Jeff White, the TN Mafia, Erick, George Hill, Al Thompson, Byron Quick, Corriea, etc. and we could be a black sheep type of group. We would be armed with whatever the hell we want, logistics be damned!

...and carbon-fiber banjos for everyone! :D

(You're right. This is getting tiresome... :o )

Deepdiver
August 25, 2003, 06:08 PM
Blain,

You've got my choice.

4v50 Gary
August 25, 2003, 06:20 PM
Mike - I'm totally against the arquebus. First, it's would be more work to train the average dog face on how to use it. By comparison, cartridge guns are nice and simple and easy to clean too. Secondly, if you've read my post in the General Discussion Forum about the significance of muzzle control & big bore black powder weapons, you'd know what soldiers would do with them. ;)

DMK
August 25, 2003, 08:49 PM
:D at Gary. That sounds like the Recon squad from the beginning of Heartbreak Ridge!

Grump
August 25, 2003, 09:02 PM
BTW, great point on equipping the squad with quality PEOPLE. There's some merit to the concept that the person is the weapon and the firearm is a tool of lesser importance.:cool:

WonderNine
August 25, 2003, 09:33 PM
A Fal is heavier, not lighter. Shotguns are for CCB, not rifles!

Ok then a redesigned AR-10 is my choice.

Shotguns yes, that may be, but you said ONE rifle that would do it all. An AR-10 sized rifle with equivalent sites would be an excellent all around weapon if it had a decent gas system. It would be perfect.

.308 round, 20-30 round mags, nice light package for the caliber. Good ergonomics, excellent siting system.

Oh yea, and it must be select fire!!!! :cool:

Glock Glockler
August 25, 2003, 10:10 PM
A sig 550 that is modified to downward ejecting bullpup chambered in 6mm/6.5mm Glockler would do the job quite nicely, that is until Chris II can come up with something better.

Airborne
August 25, 2003, 10:51 PM
I'd give 'em m16's.... for obvious reasons.:rolleyes:

max popenker
August 26, 2003, 01:36 AM
option 1) FAL in its original .280/30 aka 7x43mm (130 gr @ 2390 fps). Enough power and still controllable in full auto

option 2) AKM in 6.5x39 (just neck down the 7.62 and get me a hardened steel core bullets like 5.45mm 7n10)

option 3) Swiss SIG SG-541 (precussor of SG-550 aka STG-90) in swiss experimental 6.5x48mm GP-80 (97 gr @ 2950 fps)

Just looking for the best infantry round that never was :banghead:

Tommy Gunn
August 26, 2003, 04:13 AM
Another vote for the M-14 rifle.

Fed168
August 26, 2003, 07:21 AM
A brown bess and a blunderbuss for CQB.

Correia
August 26, 2003, 05:46 PM
Arquebus? Like heck. I ain't using no new fangled techy thing like that. Give me a good old fashioned sharp rock tied to a stick!

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