[tsellati]

Yeah!, my very first shot gun has just arrived and with beautiful weather I thought I would take and share a few snap shots :D.

This is a Remington Wingmaster Model 870 shot gun that has been "tactical-ized" by addition of a 18" sighted slug barrel, a parkerized finish, extended magazine, forward pistol-foregrip, CAA stock saddle, and two three-cartridge holders.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/tsellati/Rem%20Model%20870/rightside.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/tsellati/Rem%20Model%20870/frontsight.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/tsellati/Rem%20Model%20870/rearsight.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/tsellati/Rem%20Model%20870/forwardpistolgrip.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/tsellati/Rem%20Model%20870/SAAstocksaddleandcartridgeholders.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/tsellati/Rem%20Model%20870/leftside.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/tsellati/Rem%20Model%20870/Model870Wingmaster.jpg

And here is a photo of my Czechoslovakian vz.52 pistol whose finish nicely matches that of the shot gun and makes quite a nice pairing. One would be "armed to the gills" carrying this pair :evil::cool:!

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/tsellati/Rem%20Model%20870/perfectpairing.jpg

Tim

[Dave McCracken]

Cute. Let us know how it shoots....

[AnthonyC.]

Cute!??!?!? if that isn't the most insulting way to compliment on a guys gun I dont know what is....:D

but seriously, it is a nice shotgun, and we need a range report.

[Dave McCracken]

I certainly didn't mean it as an insult.

[Lee Lapin]

One would be "armed to the gills" carrying this pair

"It's the Indian, not the arrow." - Louis Awerbuck

Not nearly enough wear marks on the action bars/magazine tube, is what I think Dave was getting at. Pretty pictures, in other words, but where's the picture of the pile of empty hulls? We see LOTS of pictures of shotguns- what makes us old pharts around here happy is SHOOTERS, not pictures. Training. Practice. More practice. Becoming one with the gun. That sort of thing.

Just in the interest of accuracy, I'd bet that's actually a 20" barrel- and an old one at that, by the sights. They don't make 'em like that any more. That one's a classic. Have you checked with Remington to see how old your Wingmaster is?

Glad to see a clamp on that magazine extension. It may save trouble for you down the road if the extension takes a bump. Getting a new magazine tube put on is a factory level repair, and not cheap.

Hope you held on to the original furniture. You may find, after a while on the range, that you like the conventional style stuff better. I can't imagine running that forearm for three days of training and several hundred rounds would be very much fun, but then I never have been a fan of joysticks even on ARs.

Do let us know how it shoots, and Stay Safe,

lpl/nc

[Geno]

Nice, nice and nice. Congratulatiions!

Doc2005

[Okiecruffler]

I really like that barrel.

[MAX100]

Looks good. The CAA stock saddle gives a very good cheek weld to the CAR stock. I have one on my CAR stock and it is a very good product and it looks nice.

Gives us some feedback on the fore end grip how it handles. I am not sure I would like one on my shotgun but I have never tried one.



GC

[oneounceload]

My question is - how did you get such clear close-up pictures?? Every time I try with my digital, they come out totally blurry - it's a decent Canon Powershot and when I want to take pics to post, I can't get it working....great pics BTW!

[sm]

Just in the interest of accuracy, I'd bet that's actually a 20" barrel- and an old one at that, by the sights. They don't make 'em like that any more. That one's a classic.

Oh, oh, oh, oh...

You need to get rid of that barrel.
You really really really really really do!

What you need is a new barrel with hi-vis sights. *yep*

Err...umm..., it has to do with the thing-a-ma-jiggy torque upon the big-daddy-don-garlits affect upon forward pistol grips which in turn jackie-stewarts the mario-andretti mirage of moving targets.

It is complicated. *real complicated*

Lee, hush up, can't you see I am busy? Yeah I know you saw it first, we can fight over it, once we get it off that gun!

Oh, congrats , BA/UU/R and all that - oh did I mention you need a new barrel with hi-vis ?

*whut? I didn't do nuttin'*

[Okiecruffler]

I want that barrel and I don't even have an 870 reciever to put it on. Would be a great excuse to buy one tho'.

[sm]

I want that barrel and I don't even have an 870 reciever to put it on. Would be a great excuse to buy one tho'.

No you don't.
Your eyes are "OO" , and you are too old and hard headed to change now.

*sticks tongue out*

[Fishman777]

Oneounceload,

Your pictures are blurry because your camera is not still while taking your pictures. A good tripod or a camera with some sort of image stabilization (in the camera or in separate lens) will help to make your pictures more crisp.

[neviander]

Pretty :)

[tsellati]

Dave,

I will be more than happy to report on how she shoots as soon as I load up on some slugs and 00-shot :D.

Tim

P.S. - No insult taken with the cute "cute" remark ;).

[tsellati]

AnthonyC,

I working on that range report :D.

Tim

[tsellati]

Lee,

Damn you're good, you had the barrel pegged at 20" on the nose :eek:. The seller told me it was 18" and I saw no reason to check.

Speaking of Louis Awerbuck, so where can I find a copy of "The Combat Shotgun"?

Also, not to worry, I am not one for just taking pretty pictures. I'll be putting "...wear marks on the action bars/magazine tube.." as soon as I load up on some ammunition.

Speaking of which, what are your thoughts on the following choices:

http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php?pName=20rds-12-gauge-aguila-minishell-slugs&cName=12-gauge-slug

http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php?pName=20rds-12-gauge-aguila-minishell-buckshot&cName=12-gauge-buckshot

I am looking to start off with target shooting paper and perhaps at a later date get into trap or skeet shooting (once I pick up a longer barrel). I also want to start out with lighter loads that will reduce recoil as I am new to the shot gun and do not want to develop a flinch. I do not flinch with my rifle shooting, but, I suspect the shot gun will have a bit more umph to it :what:!

If the Aguila is not the best choice then I certainly would appreciate any suggestions.

Regarding the shot guns age, based upon the serial number ending in a "V" I think it may have been manufactured in 1979. What are your thoughts?

You bring up an excellent point and I will have to contact the seller and see whether he still has the original stock furniture.

So far, I like the pistol fore-grip. It feels pretty natural, but that may be due to lack of experience using a shot gun without one. I guess you get comfortable with whatever you learn/train on.

Thanks again for all the great advice. I think I have definitely found a home to learn more about and share my questions and experiences with my new "baby":)

Tim

[tsellati]

MAX100,

Yes, I just recently shot a few slugs through the shot gun and I found the CAA stock saddle did provide a very nice cheek weld :D.

I also am glad that the set up has a telescopic butt stock as I whacked my cheek on the cartridge holder on the right side (yes, I am a "South Paw") on recoil :(, until I adjusted the butt stock further back.

Tim

[Okiecruffler]

Your eyes are "OO" , and you are too old and hard headed to change now.

I could just close one eye.:D

I may be wrong, but I don't think those aguila mini shells will cycle in an 870 without some modification on the carrier.

[Lee Lapin]

Tim,

Not really good. Just ooold. And I've been looking at 870s for a looong time. :D

As for the Aguila ammo, I'd forget about it. I tried some way back when and it wouldn't cycle reliably in any of the pumpguns I had, even the Winchester 1300 that some folks have said will work with it. Try Brenneke KO slugs (the cheap ones), and most any buckshot will do for practice (birdshot is cheaper, and often easier on the shoulder too). If you want tight patterns for 'duty loads', even in a CYL bore barrel, try Hornady TAP or some of the newer Federal loads with FliteControl wads. That stuff is amazing.

You'll need to stick with 2 3/4" loads unless your gun has been modified to handle 3" though. The 'V' at the end of the serial number is actually a receiver code Remington uses, it tells you that the gun is a 12 gauge originally manufactured to handle 2 3/4" shells. Receivers (12 ga. 870s that is)manufactured to handle 3" shells have serial numbers ending in 'M'.

As to determining the age of the gun, just give Remington a call during business hours tomorrow at 800-243-9700 and work through the phone tree. Someone can tell you the year your gun was manufactured from the serial number.

For a copy of Louis' DVD, go to http://www.paladin-press.com/product/40/25 . It's very good, and covers a lot of the material he actually teaches in his shotgun class. There's a good recent class review at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=36858 , BTW.

hth,

lpl/nc

[throdgrain]

No offence, but it looks like a tarts handbag to me :)

[Dave Markowitz]

If you're looking for reduced recoil loads, Ammotogo also has Federal low recoil Tru-Ball slugs, and Winchester Ranger OO buckshot, both in 2-3/4" length. I hope to have a range report on these later this week, AAMOF.

From what I've read, most repeating shotguns do not reliably feed the Aguila Minishells, though it couldn't hurt to pick up a box to try in your gun.

[Dave McCracken]

Like Lee said, skip the mini shells. They do not finction well in 870s and pattern terribly in everything.

Agreed on KO Brenekkes for a starting slug. Try different buck until a leader shows, then buy lots.

Do use some light bird shot loads for starters. Trust me...

[HB]

I assume the slug barrel is not rifled? That would certainly give you some problems with the patterns:D

Nice looking gun, I don't really like the stock, but hey, it's your gun.

HB

[tsellati]

Lee,

I just got off the phone with Remington and they said the shot gun was manufactured in 1976. The rep said the shot guns made back then were just of awesome quality and had a lot of TLC put into their manufacture. She said it would have originally come with a high gloss walnut stock with checkering. I have a call into the seller and I am praying he still has the original stock set!

Tim

P.S. - I tried those Brenneke KO slugs and liked them quite a bit. I will probably try some other brands as well before deciding what to load up on.

[Grayrock]

With the wear on that front sight I'd venture to guess that the original furniture ended up smoking someone's brisket in a fire pit. MMMM- walnut smoked beef! Perhaps you'll get lucky. And it IS a cute gun- in a Buck Roger's kind of way.

[Geno]

I'm officially jealous. My 870 Tactical doesn't have a rear sight. :( Wanna sell your 870?! :o <<Kicks stones>> I didn't think so.

[sm]

I'm officially jealous. My 870 Tactical doesn't have a rear sight.

Umm,
You are ahead of me .
The last 870 "Serious" I used, did not have a rear sight, or a front sight . *yep*

I had the advantage of a cloth not hanging up on sights when wiping down. *neener*