Zak's RM3GM report


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Zak Smith
August 25, 2003, 04:57 PM
This is Zak's first person account of the 2003 Rocky Mountain 3Gun Match.

The RM3GM took place at the NRA Whittington Center near Raton, NM. The Whittington Center is on land sold to the NRA by some large mining/steel company in the 1970's. The 31,000 acres that makes up the W.C. includes a canyon that was mined for coal starting in 1902, and surrounding area. The mining was "tunnel mining" so the geography was not disturbed. There are many old crumbling buildings and foundations scattered about that originally made up the mining town.

The place is HUGE. Basically, all the land you can see in all directions is part of the W.C. There are probably about 10-20 "formal" ranges (including 1000 yard, high power silhouette, smallbore, sight-in, etc), 20-30 trap/skeet ranges, and then many many small informal "IPSC"-type berms. And *then* the rest of the land is available for shooting use in these types of events, as long as the backstop is safe -- and the geography ensures that. This location allows all sorts of 3D stage design and lots of "field" in the field courses. The advertisements for this match said, "expect courses of fire to be interrupted by bear and elk" and they weren't kidding. We saw a bear ambling around both Friday and Saturday.

Raton, NM is approximate 4:15 from Fort Collins.

I arrived on Thursday around 3pm and checked in. Then I proceeded to examine the stages -- Eric Miller said we should do that since the stage descriptions weren't back from the printer yet. Some stages were also still being worked on. The general outline is: 8 stages, four Friday, four Sunday. I spent the next four hours examining the stages and getting preliminary plans in place.

I retired to the Colt Motel in Raton, which was only about $50/night.

The shooters meeting was 8AM on Friday. There were introductions and thanks to our match sponsors and Robbie Roberts who is the head honcho of the W.C.

I was on Squad 6, starting at stage 6. Squads were 12 people. Some other people who were in my squad: David K (and two other Daves), Benny Hill, George Murphy, Darrel Humphreys, Eric M (the Trijicon rep), and a couple other really fast guys. It was Eric's first 3gun match, though he retired from the Marine Corps after 20 years (he looks about 35) before working for Trijicon. He said he used to just show up and "be available" for people to talk to, but it was more fun to shoot the matches.

Stage 6. "Pitch Black". Shotgun. You start in a ravine, at the entrance to an artificial cave. Upon the start signal, you engage two poppers at about 30-40 yards with slugs. Then you grab a flashlight (it was the "SureFire" stage) and enter the artificial cave. It's dark and small. You locate and shoot four clays. Then you exit the cave and climb out of the ravine. There are four clays along the right hand side down the little valley. There are three plates on the left-hand side at about 25 yards, and then two more plates on the right, and then two more on the far left. Finally, after proceeding about 30y down a path shooting those targest, you get to the end, where you shoot four silhouette plates over a hill and the two plates "hidden" on the far right. A total of 22 shotshells and 2 slugs.

I shot this stage fairly well, but a bit slow in 83.35 seconds. I fumbled a bit with the flashlight while shooting in the cave, and had to re-shoot one clay inside the cave a few times because it wasn't disintegrating.

Stage 7. "Sarajevo Point Blank." Rifle. In this stage, you ran through the foundation of an old building (real! concrete and all) and engage a whole bunch of paper targets and one steel. You start in a "basement" kneeling, on the buzzer, you engage the two targets at the top of the pit. Then you run up out of the pit to the left (still within the walls of the old buiding!) and basically engage paper as they become visible. When you get to the far left-hand side of the building (about 30 yards), you engage the final paper through an old window and then shoot a stop plate at 130 yards. I had a good plan for this stage. I shot the two first (you had to), then ran out of the pit. Then I engaged the four visible targets from 20-40 yards in about a 70 degree arc. Then I ran the entire 20yards to the entrance to the last room and did a mag change along the way. I turned around and shot the three now-visible targets. Upon entering the last room, one was shot point-blank (2 yards) and then I finished up at the port. The TA11 ACOG worked wonderfully on this stage and I got a pretty fast time of 48.50 seconds. The trick was having a good plan, shooting to it, and not re-shooting targets: your plan has to only shoot each twice. This was a total of 15 paper targets and one plate, for 31 rounds.

Stage 8. "Alien Bug Hunt." Shotgun and pistol. This stage was a path along a riverbed which had 10 clays hidden, and 8 plates, some hidden. It finished up with 11 paper targets. Upon the start, you engaged a steel and the ran up a small hill and ducked under a 2' tall obstacle, and then finished shooting the stage, My run was decent, though I ran my shotgun dry one shot too soon, and lost a few seconds on a load. My pistol run went well, but I got out of sequence due to
a fumbled mag change. time: 76.75 seconds.

Stage 1. "Fossil Canyon." Shotgun. This was the mother of all shotgun stages. You start off with two 50? yard slug shots. Then you engage five silhouette steel on the way to a wall with four ports in it. Beyond the wall at 10 yards is an array of 12 "shoot" steels and five "no shoot" steel which block some of the shoot targets from different angles. Each no-shoot popper was a 10-second penalty if you made it fall. This was actually not that tough, but you did have to reload. Finally, you finished up my running up a canyon and locating and shooting 10 clays. Lots of shooting and reloading. My time was 98.76.

Saturday:

Stage 2. "Flare Out." all 3 weapons. You shoot this stage from the inside of a very small helicopter. On each side was: 1 rifle plate at 120 yards, 8 paper targets, and 5 steel. (so double that for the other side) The rifle plates at 120y had to be hit with the rifle. The rest of the steel with shotgun, and the paper with rifle or pistol. Rifle was limited to 20 rounds. This one was challenging
because of the choice of "what targets to shoot with which gun." The rules for this match specify that a single "A" hit or two B/C/D hits "neutralizes" a target, otherwise you get a penalty. So I went for the strategy of:
1. shooting one far plate,
2. shoot the paper on that side with one shot per, with rifle,
3/4. repeat for other side.
5. pull shotgun and shoot one side, load 3/4 and then shoot the other side.

This was an okay plan but I took too much time aiming to get the "A" hits. I got them all except I had one "C" which added 5 seconds to my time.

A better strategy would have been to shoot both steel, then double-tap one side's paper with the rifle at warp speed, then pull the shotgun on that side, then switch, then finally pull pistol and blast the remaining paper on the other side. Oh well. My time was 89.36

Stage 3. "Over Run." Handgun & Rifle. This stage was shot from two positions: SA1 and SA2. From SA1, you could see 5 close unobstructed paper targets, and five "further" and covered-by-hard-cover paper targets. Then you run to SA2 and you see a similar scenario. You are limited to 20 rifle rounds. You start at the bottom of a pit with your two weapons and a 10lb ammo box. On buzzer, you run up the 15' or so with the box, set it down in the bunker, and engage the targets. Then take the box to SA1 and repeat. I did the obvious solution of shooting the hard shots with the rifle and the close with the pistol. This was good because I got all very precise rifle shots and I could blast with the pistol. The Tac-sling for the AR came in useful. My time was 66.

At this point, it was lunchtime. I had a Cliff bar and headed over to Alan Samuel's machine-gun area. I rented a 16" M16, an MP5, an AK47, and I shot a 50-round belt through a German MG3. Rockin'.

Stage 4. "Afghanistan Hills." Rifle. This was the long-range rifle stage with 17 shots at plates from 200-310 yards. You ran a total of about 30 yards up a hill, and shot from defined positions (over the boulder, etc). I screwed up this stage by getting 3 misses and having a long time (218 seconds + penalties). The RO mentioned that he noticed my shots were all high and my muzzle was real close to the boulder in front and he thought maybe the blast was deflecting them up, because from other positions I had no problems on those same plates. Oh well. I also didn't practice at 300 yards, so...

Stage 5. "The Deer Hunter." Handgun and RM3G supplied rifle. In this stage, you start in a tiger cage with no weapon, no holsters, no nothing, during the "war of your choice." Upon the start signal, you push open the metal mesh wall, forward two steps, grab a crow bar, and smash the "guard's skull" (5 clay pigeons in a stack - failure to break all five results in penalties). Then you pick up "his" AK-47, and engage two close paper targets with the five loaded rounds. Then you drop the AK, and run forward about 5 yards and pick up your pistol which is at slide-lock on an empty mag. You pick up your mags and stick them in your pocked. Load pistol and engage four small plates at 15 yards. Then you basically run up this high and long hill engaging 13 paper targets and one stop plate at 15 yards as they become visible. I had a pretty good time at 60.69 seconds.

Team shoot on Sunday: A stage was set up for the team shoot on the long-range rifle stage. Each team was 3 people, one for each gun. I shot with Glenn Frank and George Murhpy. The pistol guy started on the LHS of a large boulder. Upon the buzzer, he engages 7 plates. Two of the plates were in the rear hidden behind the first set. When he's done, he safes his pistol and throws it down in a box. Then he runs 2 steps and picks up an ammo can and then taps the rifle shooter on the leg. The rifle shooter engages a 200y and a 255y plate. Once the second hit is made, the shotgun shooter who is about 15 yards up the hill starts shooting his array of 8 or 9 plates. Meanwhile, the pistol shooter is running up the hill with the can. Inside the can are one or more shotgun slugs. When the shotgun shooter is done with the plates, he gets one slug from the box carried by the pistol shooter and engages the 40y stop plate with it. We did it in 41 seconds. The best was like 23 seconds.

I am pretty pleased with my entire performance with the exception of Stage 4. I don't suck that bad at long-range rifle shooting.

After everything, when the scores came in, I was 35th out of 75 in the "tactical" class: in the top 50% makes me happy.

These big matches have prize tables. The prize table at this match contained $27500 worth of stuff.. including like 7 guns or something. I ended up with another Surefire flashlight (G2-OD), a holster for it, and 12 batteries. Not bad.

It was really impressive to see some of the best 3Gun shooters at this match.. and generally all my times were less than double their times.

With the possibilities at the W.C., this is going to become THE premier 3Gun event.

I also got to fondle a bunch of equipment. JP was the big match sponsor and had many of their rifles there. I am definitely going to buy one of these soon.



Pictures will be coming in a day or two.

-z

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Zak Smith
August 25, 2003, 05:08 PM
Here's the gear I used:

Pistol: Dan Wesson Patriot Expert (single-stack 1911 .45ACP), with Simonich Gunner Grips and a rear adjustable sight slathered in "removable" lock-tite for a "fixed adjustable" sight. I used five 10-round Wilson mags and a couple 8-round mags. Holster was Milt Sparks NP-1 and mag pouches were from 3GunGear.com. Shot reloads at about 165 PF.

Shotgun: Benelli M1S90 with straight stock and ghost rings. Shot mainly Winchester #7.5 1 1/8oz loads (AA127), and reduced recoil Federal slugs. Shell carriers were from 3GunGear and I used a cheap shell belt I got from the local sportsmanwarehouse.

Rifle: special-build Rock River 16" flat-top, 1-in-9 twist, bull barrel to rear of gas block, HBAR to muzzle. Armalite mid-length fiberglass float tube. TA11 ACOG on an ARMS #19S mounted as far forward as it'll go. The TA11 with the BAC is most excellent on anything from about 20 yards out. Closer than that, it's a little slow unless you use it as an OEG. JP has a forward-mounted iron sight rail that can be used on an "Tactical" class AR for close range hosing. Viking Tactics V-Tac sling came in useful on stage 3. I shot Black Hills 68gr (2650fps) at this match. I used a double-AR mag pouch from 3GunGear and his drop-thigh rig on stage 7.

The changes I'll make to my gear for next year: get a real high-cap "Limited" pistol; get an CTR-02 built by JP.

-z

Correia
August 25, 2003, 05:14 PM
Excellent review. Sounds like it was a really good match. I have not been to Raton yet.

What were the match fees? This sounds like one I might try to make next year.

Zak Smith
August 25, 2003, 05:39 PM
Correia,

The entry fee was $200. T-shirts were $20/each. For the optional team shoot, the entry fee was $20/person. The team shoot was like 70% payout to winners. To enter the subgun/assault rifle side-match was $10: 10 shots with an MP5 at poppers and then I think 5 or 10 with an AK at plates-- fastest time takes the cash. (He also rented them for $20 per assault rifle mag, or $15 per subgun mag with discounts for multiple mags; 50 round belt for $30.)

This match was pretty "vacation time friendly"- if you live within 8 or so hours, you only needed to take off Friday. I took Thursday and Friday off. Competitors were on the road by 2pm on Sunday. Compare that to the WC3Gun which you need to take basically the entire week off.

I forgot to mention that there were over 100 shooters- I thought I heard around 120. Nominally 12 per squad, plus RO's, etc. The RO's were excellent. I saw plates from CA, TX, CO, NM, AZ, and one guy was back from Switzerland.

This match had excellent stage design (designed by shooters with no "gimmicks"), lots of runnin'and'gunnin, and a great location.

-z

Andrew Wyatt
August 28, 2003, 02:40 AM
how many shooters were there, was it a cattle drive, did you think the stages helped you determine skills you needed to work on, were there real rifle length shots, would you go back next year, was there an awards banquet?

Zak Smith
August 28, 2003, 02:45 AM
They finally posted the results on the web:

2003 ROCKY MOUNTAIN 3 GUN MATCH TOTAL

PLC NAME CATEGORY RIFLE S1 S2 S3 S4 S5 S6 S7 S8 TOTAL
1 "NEAL, KELLY" HE-MAN IRON 100.00 86.20 100.00 100.00 100.00 100.00 100.00 82.65 768.85
2 "RHODES, EDDIE" HE-MAN IRON 85.74 98.60 70.44 80.83 93.20 87.71 67.30 100.00 683.82
3 "LATHAM, TAYLOR" HE-MAN IRON 75.08 76.39 72.79 54.59 82.03 71.07 62.12 88.74 582.81
4 "DOWD, MIKE" HE-MAN IRON 82.26 100.00 62.01 55.31 56.91 75.24 63.62 82.19 577.55
5 "HORSEMAN, STEVE" HE-MAN IRON 61.64 57.15 39.07 57.09 91.18 54.52 68.45 75.22 504.32
6 "KYNOCH, DAVE" HE-MAN IRON 77.22 60.81 67.02 50.36 67.26 65.12 55.71 59.70 503.19
7 "KOCHAN, JOHN" HE-MAN IRON 61.76 36.60 55.86 32.79 63.76 57.30 52.99 68.93 429.99
8 "HAMEL, BOB (SCORE)" HE-MAN IRON 55.10 74.91 39.61 45.39 66.92 62.43 44.61 29.86 418.83
9 "HARRIS, JOHN" HE-MAN IRON 56.16 57.56 51.97 27.51 55.81 52.13 38.80 67.72 407.66
10 "HILL, MIKE" HE-MAN IRON 42.32 53.11 52.41 45.16 45.01 43.71 48.89 49.94 380.55
11 "MERTES, DAVID" HE-MAN IRON 48.17 48.90 34.56 35.20 44.55 54.53 36.80 63.63 366.34
12 "BERRY, BRIAN" HE-MAN IRON 44.81 68.50 36.02 41.82 41.53 45.35 35.33 48.76 362.12
13 "GUTHRIE, HOWARD" HE-MAN IRON 44.96 52.51 39.21 43.82 54.63 34.67 40.94 43.05 353.79
14 "HOBBS, JEFF" HE-MAN IRON 47.97 52.63 38.25 39.92 39.76 39.56 46.71 44.55 349.34
15 "KUHN, MELL" HE-MAN IRON 46.68 34.12 32.04 33.24 75.48 35.74 49.63 40.23 347.17
16 "HALL, PALMER" HE-MAN IRON 48.86 39.12 39.41 34.19 52.11 23.41 43.25 52.25 332.61
17 "RYCKMAN, BOB" HE-MAN IRON 72.09 64.12 38.36 29.19 12.87 12.09 9.95 52.34 291.01
18 "KING, DAVID" HE-MAN IRON 29.37 40.86 37.36 29.92 37.60 34.11 42.28 26.40 277.89

1 "RAGULSKY, GENE" OPEN SCOPE 67.49 100.00 100.00 100.00 77.43 97.05 91.72 88.02 721.71
2 "BEDNORZ, DON" OPEN SCOPE 74.87 56.02 98.76 65.12 100.00 100.00 100.00 100.00 694.76
3 "KEMPTON, JAKE" OPEN SCOPE 100.00 87.70 83.58 73.81 89.90 95.45 85.04 76.86 692.35
4 "WALTER-FILHO, RON" OPEN SCOPE 73.46 87.34 80.85 63.48 99.66 99.89 94.31 68.60 667.60
5 "CARLSON, ADAM" OPEN SCOPE 86.61 89.79 79.92 69.58 61.60 89.74 86.48 74.48 638.20
6 "ENDERSBY, CHRIS" OPEN SCOPE 69.55 82.58 63.48 56.43 82.66 82.45 90.88 77.84 605.88
7 "ARREDONDO, RALPH" OPEN SCOPE 66.26 81.16 64.56 56.35 79.03 73.16 72.68 85.77 578.96
8 "KRUSE, RUSSELL" OPEN SCOPE 49.17 89.55 53.93 59.29 71.86 65.02 87.77 84.11 560.70
9 "MOODY, DAVID" OPEN SCOPE 69.63 64.53 55.75 60.23 70.66 77.33 73.89 55.68 527.69
10 "MOSIER, DAVE" OPEN SCOPE 60.72 69.89 44.58 85.87 74.25 77.06 24.56 69.24 506.18
11 "STUTZ, GREG" OPEN SCOPE 51.07 76.58 51.25 55.41 69.68 47.76 84.56 51.14 487.44
12 "STUTZ, ALEX" OPEN SCOPE 44.41 57.14 53.19 37.30 67.23 51.54 85.62 53.91 450.34
13 "ANDERSON, WYNN" OPEN SCOPE 55.59 60.16 29.92 48.21 53.19 64.40 55.67 52.75 419.89
14 "LINDER, GEOFFREY" OPEN SCOPE 44.04 46.08 49.87 63.34 59.47 48.09 62.04 44.47 417.40
15 "MURPHY, GEORGE" OPEN SCOPE 39.41 46.92 44.53 41.70 58.26 35.64 43.37 44.02 353.85
16 "BIELBY, JEFFREY" OPEN SCOPE 49.10 51.65 37.15 26.95 29.54 59.42 37.96 54.27 346.04
17 "SABIA, DAVE" OPEN SCOPE 41.72 46.47 34.56 42.80 38.12 43.10 47.67 47.50 341.93
18 "BACA, TONY" OPEN SCOPE 31.50 37.11 30.26 39.77 56.67 38.37 42.79 57.13 333.61
19 "WODACK, GREG" OPEN SCOPE 39.77 75.28 58.93 36.66 26.08 11.18 9.65 67.58 325.13
20 "FRANK, GLENN" OPEN SCOPE 29.07 30.04 47.41 33.94 41.82 36.84 51.80 37.00 307.92
21 "MAHONEY, JONI" OPEN SCOPE 25.14 38.12 26.09 30.55 38.16 32.92 27.30 34.45 252.71

1 "BUTLER, TARAN" TACTICAL SCOPE 86.68 100.00 100.00 69.74 100.00 100.00 100.00 100.00 756.43
2 "SALMON, TODD" TACTICAL IRON 81.99 92.55 86.83 100.00 77.48 83.46 100.00 70.53 692.85
3 "HAWKINS, GUY" TACTICAL IRON 76.93 100.00 100.00 76.39 79.20 76.12 94.03 75.25 677.93
4 "HILL, BENNY" TACTICAL SCOPE 77.70 84.43 97.52 92.15 79.02 72.15 80.26 92.57 675.80
5 "NETH, DAVE" TACTICAL SCOPE 87.95 81.12 89.32 68.98 78.79 76.61 85.27 85.95 654.00
6 "WONG, JOE" TACTICAL IRON 76.42 69.83 76.30 90.26 64.66 68.27 87.82 73.86 607.41
7 "PULTZ, BOB" TACTICAL IRON 71.62 74.78 63.24 84.88 68.83 57.22 92.41 67.79 580.77
8 "MOOTS, CHARLES" TACTICAL SCOPE 65.55 81.23 81.07 69.26 69.57 71.52 75.70 64.70 578.61
9 "MAHONEY, CHARLES" TACTICAL SCOPE 63.57 51.13 95.82 78.73 72.18 65.21 75.69 73.54 575.87
10 "HARRIS, MIKE" TACTICAL SCOPE 100.00 70.95 96.04 59.25 69.42 61.70 32.82 77.77 567.94
11 "GANGL, JOHN" TACTICAL SCOPE 74.55 76.69 95.98 55.80 57.08 66.35 66.20 70.29 562.95
12 "KELLEY, PAT" TACTICAL SCOPE 58.93 78.56 95.00 54.89 73.41 54.97 79.38 66.76 561.91
13 "FIELD, MIKE" TACTICAL SCOPE 61.11 66.36 86.93 81.35 70.99 65.69 68.78 59.62 560.82
14 "HAWKINS, GARRET" TACTICAL SCOPE 59.76 64.17 88.71 88.82 69.15 58.44 70.06 56.50 555.62
15 "PIERCE, CHAD" TACTICAL SCOPE 62.30 62.56 72.50 100.00 66.79 52.03 72.71 63.61 552.50
16 "HUGHES, MIKE" TACTICAL SCOPE 53.68 75.95 78.31 79.88 60.80 61.74 70.08 61.21 541.67
17 "HULET, STEVE" TACTICAL SCOPE 63.69 66.72 65.63 63.86 79.61 69.35 66.43 65.25 540.55
18 "CURRENT, ROD" TACTICAL SCOPE 56.98 62.36 69.16 67.68 69.00 69.46 80.33 59.21 534.19
19 "HECKART, ALLEN" TACTICAL SCOPE 76.35 56.94 74.62 80.89 55.55 60.04 62.00 67.17 533.56
20 KOLAR. MIKE TACTICAL SCOPE 55.15 68.78 76.98 82.75 67.46 51.76 66.27 57.40 526.55
21 "BODMER, JEFF" TACTICAL SCOPE 73.58 52.54 74.33 65.93 56.07 65.89 66.75 70.99 526.08
22 "BALMORES, KELLY" TACTICAL IRON 67.52 79.54 70.29 45.50 76.04 44.60 74.85 63.09 521.44
23 "CAUDILL, PAUL" TACTICAL SCOPE 61.01 59.27 57.78 60.93 70.35 67.11 78.52 63.43 518.41
24 "WONG, TOMMY" TACTICAL SCOPE 59.59 72.79 76.86 54.28 65.28 55.48 58.56 63.25 506.10
25 "BYROM, BILL" TACTICAL SCOPE 49.85 63.10 83.44 39.99 67.32 53.25 61.91 71.64 490.49
26 "CAMBRE, LOUIS" TACTICAL SCOPE 64.43 66.91 68.97 66.06 58.48 41.71 59.65 53.53 479.74
27 "LANE, RICK" TACTICAL SCOPE 59.39 70.23 69.66 63.36 51.82 44.31 59.06 60.15 477.97
28 "MARTIN, ROD" TACTICAL SCOPE 69.40 44.86 66.66 65.42 56.00 67.49 44.50 60.97 475.29
29 "MOWERY, GARY" TACTICAL SCOPE 58.07 66.54 76.96 38.53 58.42 51.06 59.81 64.64 474.03
30 "TOLLES, KEITH" TACTICAL SCOPE 59.50 64.97 58.44 53.74 64.89 63.64 57.18 49.89 472.24
31 "POWELL, DAVID" TACTICAL SCOPE 56.17 46.75 82.76 64.94 46.49 52.26 56.72 65.08 471.18
32 "DANG, HUNG" TACTICAL SCOPE 46.30 53.50 68.10 71.05 67.76 47.48 63.41 47.68 465.27
33 "SAMUEL, ALAN" TACTICAL SCOPE 35.33 60.45 66.06 61.81 75.34 43.09 62.89 58.70 463.67
34 "RUBEL, T.H." TACTICAL IRON 59.21 54.55 62.89 59.16 53.16 44.48 69.85 55.14 458.43
35 "SMITH, ZAK" TACTICAL SCOPE 59.06 52.92 78.58 40.31 58.10 52.37 62.64 53.09 457.07
36 "WILLS, RANDY" TACTICAL IRON 59.51 43.02 60.19 57.03 51.95 48.31 74.87 62.19 457.07
37 "HUMPHRY, DARRELL" TACTICAL IRON 58.58 56.41 55.93 73.07 51.51 50.44 63.38 47.01 456.31
38 "HAMEL, BOB (2ND)" TACTICAL SCOPE 54.73 72.52 61.64 52.51 59.06 55.48 42.47 57.32 455.74
39 "JOHNSON, JJ" TACTICAL IRON 53.57 58.77 59.57 47.85 58.78 56.50 72.63 44.05 451.72
40 "DOMINGUEZ, SALIM" TACTICAL SCOPE 36.17 59.93 62.92 41.18 63.50 43.26 61.90 69.81 438.67
41 "BRANDT, DAVID" TACTICAL SCOPE 55.95 53.93 76.96 52.68 45.64 50.35 52.52 48.78 436.80
42 "PRATT, RANDY" TACTICAL SCOPE 36.55 49.07 71.49 79.78 48.18 42.46 52.83 47.47 427.85
43 "FERNS, GARY" TACTICAL SCOPE 41.85 52.71 60.80 59.60 49.47 53.97 49.25 50.37 418.02
44 "GALLEGOS, RAY" TACTICAL SCOPE 49.12 35.37 65.65 58.60 54.99 50.95 51.71 50.33 416.72
45 "HODGE, BOB" TACTICAL SCOPE 44.67 52.19 70.30 62.16 57.68 40.87 47.00 40.35 415.22
46 "GULLEY, NICK" TACTICAL SCOPE 50.79 64.60 70.48 44.12 51.04 43.61 44.69 44.63 413.95
47 "POOR, JIM" TACTICAL IRON 42.06 43.09 52.64 37.81 66.01 33.71 66.32 56.21 397.84
48 "WHITE, FRED" TACTICAL SCOPE 57.47 45.06 58.29 44.34 53.28 43.56 36.33 45.89 384.22
49 "HEAD, STEVE" TACTICAL SCOPE 28.09 47.70 61.85 44.84 50.85 39.83 55.93 52.40 381.48
50 "CONKLING, DANIEL" TACTICAL IRON 44.71 41.25 51.10 57.25 55.39 37.89 41.07 50.75 379.41
51 "CARLTON, VICKI" TACTICAL SCOPE 55.24 56.71 60.50 29.84 33.92 48.00 42.47 51.65 378.33
52 "MONNIG, CURT" TACTICAL SCOPE 57.07 13.87 55.62 67.23 32.05 42.71 61.69 47.70 377.94
53 "FULTINEER, MICHAEL" TACTICAL SCOPE 39.73 45.33 61.56 38.94 39.78 38.77 52.46 53.86 370.42
54 "MANSIR, DARREL" TACTICAL SCOPE 40.85 40.54 50.11 52.34 42.24 43.13 49.02 49.08 367.30
55 "POINTER, GLENN" TACTICAL IRON 47.50 47.08 52.40 46.48 52.38 39.94 38.41 42.99 367.17
56 "STANFORTH, DAMON" TACTICAL SCOPE 49.67 59.46 58.37 44.65 40.47 42.13 37.27 33.60 365.62
57 "TOWNES, TIM" TACTICAL SCOPE 38.85 37.48 50.78 45.35 47.77 40.23 48.78 42.85 352.10
58 "CURRENT, CHERYL" TACTICAL SCOPE 44.13 55.21 38.52 48.22 37.58 25.22 43.35 42.51 334.74
59 "CULVER, DEAN" TACTICAL SCOPE 40.18 42.52 47.85 34.47 40.69 38.51 44.52 41.11 329.86
60 "KNEALE, JOHN J." TACTICAL SCOPE 48.20 35.75 41.58 32.25 42.65 36.99 44.89 43.10 325.42
61 "WHITE, STEVE" TACTICAL IRON 39.24 44.83 46.64 30.43 39.08 41.77 38.98 34.11 315.09
62 "PEARMAN, DENISE" TACTICAL SCOPE 28.80 39.70 48.42 34.47 42.98 32.99 37.86 34.55 299.78
63 "REIGAN, ROBERT" TACTICAL SCOPE 34.13 36.43 51.06 49.77 32.80 24.65 35.18 33.34 297.37
64 "LETSCH, DAVID" TACTICAL IRON 39.28 45.61 26.48 38.39 43.71 26.71 43.83 31.49 295.52
65 "WASSOM, DON" TACTICAL SCOPE 37.06 29.39 43.86 38.42 35.67 27.56 47.80 28.05 287.82
66 "FERNS, DEBBIE" TACTICAL SCOPE 38.05 35.66 45.65 36.59 34.86 22.20 38.46 34.09 285.56
67 "MAYER, STEVE" TACTICAL IRON 36.60 24.03 41.16 27.42 27.28 25.01 66.36 27.10 274.95
68 "GOGGIN, JOHN" TACTICAL SCOPE 33.73 44.11 47.02 27.77 23.05 30.35 37.58 30.54 274.15
69 "GERLACH, GARY" TACTICAL SCOPE 33.90 30.29 47.13 33.32 42.97 28.70 21.45 35.12 272.88
70 "PETRIE, CHRIS" TACTICAL SCOPE 36.24 34.77 31.78 28.16 48.44 32.72 19.18 34.63 265.92
71 "PECK, KEVIN" TACTICAL SCOPE 21.92 27.27 39.71 40.08 29.31 27.86 24.90 27.24 238.28
72 "ABRAMSON, ROBB" TACTICAL IRON 27.03 30.22 28.31 36.16 34.97 25.03 24.62 29.87 236.22
73 "PORTER, JOHN" TACTICAL SCOPE 26.73 18.64 40.04 23.25 30.55 25.38 19.84 24.91 209.34
74 "MAEDGEN, J.W." TACTICAL SCOPE 12.41 10.86 28.81 25.97 19.59 10.39 16.88 22.64 147.54
75 "PAULSON, JEFF" TACTICAL SCOPE 12.41 15.44 26.66 25.63 25.14 10.39 18.94 10.19 144.81

Zak Smith
August 28, 2003, 02:52 AM
Andrew wyatt,

There were 114 shooters shooting for score. (The match directors and some ROs did not shoot for score.) 75 in Tactical (scope and iron), 21 in Open, and 18 in He-Man. There was only one match DQ and that was an RO.

was it a cattle drive No.

did you think the stages helped you determine skills you needed to work on You mean, will help me figure out what to practice for next year?

were there real rifle length shots The "Afganistan Hills" stage had a bunch of plates from 200-310 yards. It was typical for other stages to have a stop plate at 100-150 yards.

would you go back next year Definitely yes.

was there an awards banquet? No banquet, but the awards tables were stacked. I think Eric M. said there was a total of $27,500 worth of loot on them. Even at 35th place in "Tactical", I got about $60 worth of Surefire stuff. I think we all preferred getting out of there at 2pm Sunday -- the shooting didn't finish until about 11:30AM Sunday (team event).

-z

Zak Smith
August 28, 2003, 02:55 AM
I was thinking about the question about the stages. They were "about" the shooting and there were multiple ways to solve most of the problems -- that made it interesting. In this match, you need 1 "A" hit or two B/C/D hits to neutralize the target. This along with the combination of arms lead to many possibilities.

-z

Andrew Wyatt
August 28, 2003, 02:26 PM
Do you know if the match bought prizes with match money or had them all donated?


I'm kinda interested in shooting in some of the other 3-gun matches sometime, and i'm curious about how they run things.

Zak Smith
August 28, 2003, 02:47 PM
I believe the prizes were all donated, but I don't know for certain. The match fees were only $200/shooter, and $20 of that went to the NRA Whittington Center.

-z

another okie
August 28, 2003, 06:51 PM
When was the match? Is there a web site that gives dates and information for future matches? I looked a while at the NRA site without success.

Zak Smith
August 28, 2003, 06:53 PM
August 22-24th.

http://www.trm3g.homestead.com/

Helmut
August 30, 2003, 12:40 AM
The match was great, no doubt about it........It should be the premier match of the year. Staff and Ro's did a wonderful job. All the stages made you think to negotiate the coarse. NO standing in a box and hosing crap.

Hats off guys and gals....

Take Care

Andrew Wyatt
August 30, 2003, 01:26 PM
It should be the premier match of the year.


How so?

Helmut
August 30, 2003, 01:42 PM
where else will you find the nature terrain (including the old buildings to use) that is already set up, but at the whittington center.....you have acres, upon acres of terrain to setup stage designs........there is no other range in the nation that is as big as the whittington center........total acres of the nra center is 33,000

besides that, these guys are very knowledgable about matches........the guys that put it on are the top shooters in the nation.....

Andrew Wyatt
August 30, 2003, 03:40 PM
There are other places that have terrain as good or better, and things to do after the match. Ask the Miller boys what their favorite 3-gun match is sometime.

Helmut
August 30, 2003, 05:03 PM
all the things i have stated are, of coarse, my own opinion. if you know better places and matches, let the rest of us know.......i personally like to shoot matches in alot of locations (and or states).

Take Care

Zak Smith
August 30, 2003, 05:39 PM
No doubt, this was a good match.

Andrew Wyatt
August 30, 2003, 06:31 PM
There is the Swat 3-gun match coming up in late september which is totally devoid of square ranges, it's in laughlin, nevada, this year, and usually runs about 250 shooters. there are 7 individual stages, a team stage, and the match takes place over two days, with another day for the team shoot off and awards banquet. (www.swat3gun.com)

there's also the superstition mountain 3-gun match, http://www.ultimateaccessories.com/smm3g/ which i've heard good things about.

Mike Gibson Manufacturing also put on a 3-gun match not that long ago, and matt burkett did a report on it, but i can't seem to find it.


It just seemed like you were calling the RM3gun match the premier 3-gun match because you hadn't heard of the others.


I know the Miller boys put on the RM3gun match. Ask them what their favorite match is.

Zak Smith
August 30, 2003, 06:44 PM
This was my first big match... and I'm going to try to make several of the larger 3Gun matches next year, and if I can find a partner, the DL Sports Tactical Rifle Championships in Gilette, WY. Did anyone make that one? It was the same weekend as RM3G.

I am curious to see what they think up for Raton next year.

-z

Helmut
August 30, 2003, 06:56 PM
a. wyatt,

i have shot the SS3GM and the WC3gun matches you have mentioned, and i plan on the mgm match this next year, but i have had friends who have shot it and the North Carolina match......

they are all good matches, but personally like the rm3gun the best, of course my opinion again......I know they are like ???????s and i have one.....haha

good luck on your swat match.......

take care and have a safe labor day weekend.....

gl
August 30, 2003, 07:09 PM
Hey Andrew,

How much is the match you mentioned in Laughlin that only has 7 stages?

Guy Hawkins

P.S. I assume you are an RO at that match. Do you have any info on how the 'range developement' is going? What kind of stages are going to be shot there? Thank you for your response!

Helmut
August 30, 2003, 07:23 PM
zak,

i looked at your scores and it looks like you did your best on stage 3........good job on scoring so well on your first match........keep at it man.....

take care

Zak Smith
August 30, 2003, 07:31 PM
Helmut,

Thanks for the encouragement. Stage 7 ("Sarajevo Point Blank") felt like it was my best stage, but I guess stage 3 was better.

On stage 3, I lost some time messing with the ammo box, transitioning to pistol and back (had to change mags before I re-holster it), and keeping the rifle hanging on the tac-sling from breaking the 180.

-z

Helmut
August 30, 2003, 07:40 PM
zak,

i hear ya, i chose not to use a sling on stage 3, i don't know if it burned more time or not.......but it is all about learning i guess....

i lucked out on stage 4 myself......that was the best one for me.....i think i had a damn failure on 6 of my 8 stages....but that is the way it goes...

helmut

Andrew Wyatt
August 30, 2003, 10:57 PM
How much is the match you mentioned in Laughlin that only has 7 stages?

The price is listed on the website, and it includes the match entry fee, a match t-shirt, and a banquet ticket (I misstyped, there are 8 individual stages.)


I'm not at liberty to discuss exactly what the stages entail, but they're up to our usual standards or higher. The range we're using this year is largely undeveloped, natural terrain, but that's better for the stuff we do than developed ranges.

Dr.Rob
September 1, 2003, 11:54 PM
That sounds like a hell of a lot of fun.

Hmmmm.

(looking around safe for potential 3 gun stuff)

Zak Smith
September 2, 2003, 12:34 AM
Dr.Rob,

The Eastern Colorado IPSC home-page has a schedule that includes the local 3Gun matches: http://www.ecouspsa.com/schedule.html Yesterday (Sunday Aug 31) was a match up at Dumont, and I think the next one is September 20th at the Aurora Gun Club.

All you need is a suitable pistol and practical holster, any shotgun, and preferrably an autoloading rifle. I just shoot my single-stack 1911. Most people shoot Benelli or Remington shotguns, but a pump will do fine. Finally, pretty much any carbine or battle rifle will work. The most common is an AR-15, but at Sunday's match we had an M1A Scout, a few AK's, and I brought my FAL. If you need other gear like shotgun shell carriers or a rifle mag pouch, I'm sure someone would share.

-z

Zak Smith
September 3, 2003, 01:34 AM
The photo-lab screwed up scanning my film so the full picture set isn't done, but here are some I managed to get up:

Stage 1. Zak engaging far slug plates. Behind the wall are twelve plates interspersed with five "no-shoot" poppers.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage1-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage1.jpg)

The helicopter from which we shot stage 2.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage2-1-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage2-1.jpg)

Stage 3. Benny engaging targets from position 1.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage3-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage3.jpg)

Stage 3. Benny moving to position 2.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage3-2-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage3-2.jpg)

Stage 4. Zak engaging long-range rifle flashers from position 1.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage4-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage4.jpg)

Zak Smith
September 3, 2003, 01:47 AM
Stage 5. Zak captive in the tiger cage.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage5-4-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage5-4.jpg)

Stage 5. After crushing the "guard's skull" with the crow-bar, Zak engages the two targets with the pick-up AK.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage5-3-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage5-3.jpg)

Stage 5. Zak engaging small plates.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage5-2-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage5-2.jpg)

Stage 5. Zak engaging small plates.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage5-1-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage5-1.jpg)

Stage 6. Zak about to engage two clays.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage6-2-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage6-2.jpg)

Zak Smith
September 3, 2003, 01:50 AM
Stage 6. Zak moves out of pit after engaging clays. Note two expended shells on the ground to the right.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage6-1-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage6-1.jpg)

Stage 7. Zak in the start position in "Sarajevo Point Blank." (This was my favorite stage!)
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage7-3-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage7-3.jpg)

Stage 7. Zak engages two targets on hill-top.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage7-4-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage7-4.jpg)

Stage 7. Bring 'em on! Zak runs from the start position 'cause he needs to shoot more targets. Finger is off trigger!
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage7-1-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage7-1.jpg)

Stage 7. Zak engages next set of targets. (Note! I am not "POLICE". This stage was sponsored by Point Blank body armor.)
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage7-2-cs.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage7-2.jpg)

Zak Smith
September 3, 2003, 01:53 AM
Stage 8. Zak engages two plates before running up hill and diving under the bar to finish the "Alien Bug Hunt" with shotgun and pistol.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage8-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-stage8.jpg)

Zak shoots Alan Samuel's shorty M16 full auto.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-m16-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-m16.jpg)

Zak shoots Alan Samuel's MG3 - an MG42 changed to .308.
http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-mg3-s.jpg(click for larger image) (http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3g-2003-preview/bad-mg3.jpg)

Zak Smith
September 8, 2003, 01:20 AM
Full pictures:

http://www.demigod.org/~zak/pictures/rm3gm-2003-thumbnails.shtml

Andrew Wyatt
September 8, 2003, 12:07 PM
Nice pictures. I didn't realize Alan had class 3 stuff. Did the MG3 have the same ungodly high rate of fire the mg42 had?

Zak Smith
September 8, 2003, 02:35 PM
For those of you who don't know, the MG3 is merely a .308 version of the MG42.

I believe his MG3 has a rate-reducer installed.

-z

Andrew Wyatt
September 8, 2003, 05:36 PM
I'll have to ask him in laughlin this year.

Zak Smith
August 3, 2004, 03:49 PM
Reminder. The 2004 RM3G match is coming up in just a few weeks!

-z

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