Post Your Bad A$$ Home Defense Revolvers
As stated in the Reviews #4 shot is a Nasty Load, and will not over penetrate... And 000 Buckshot is a Bad A$$ indoor round also... Each of the 3 Balls has the power of a 9mm, so even if one did penetrate a wall, most of its energy would be spent...
NOTE: 3 out of Ten Medium Framed JUDGE's sold now are being sold to women for Home Defense... Its a Point and Kill the Bad Guy GUN...
Remember, shooting anybody in the Back OR over 25 feet, Makes YOU The Bad Guy In COURT...!!!...<:-((
Not to mention, even if it did, most departments have moved away from 9mm subguns because of over penetration through walls and under performance against body armor.
- sorry, just realized I'm sidetracking
Back to the revolvers
June 30, 2008, 12:42 PM
Primary go-to revolver is the 4" Redhawk on top stoked w/ 200 gr GDHP .44 specials.
June 30, 2008, 12:45 PM
"theboxoftruth.com" pretty much ruins the judge as a good manstopper with ANY shotshell loading. I'll take a .357 please.
I just watched the video and the guy says "the judge is the same as a Remmington 870".... That is not a good sign.
The buckshot loadings are pretty poor preformers and the bird shot is laughable. The article says that the #4's will most likley blind and instantly kill if shot at the face of an intruder. We know that #4 will not penetrate very well especially out of a snub barrel.
The Judge is a cool gun, but load it with .45's for HD.
June 30, 2008, 12:45 PM
105 Howister loaded with grape shot...:D
June 30, 2008, 01:03 PM
i am a big fan of the taurus judge, i had the pleasure of owning one for a few months back in november. but i being a dumbass traded it for a bersa .380 for my wife to carry, and here in reading Pa, they're impossible to find. any help in locating one would be greatly appreciated
June 30, 2008, 01:05 PM
My father-in-law has a Judge. Took it to the range last Xmas when he was in town. It was fun to shoot for sure.
That said, I would not use it for self defence. The .45 LC is ok is suppose but the shotshells are not much use beyond 3-5 feet (IMHO of course).
Now, if the gun could handle the pressures of the 454c... well then you'd have sumpin. :cool:
Taurus seems to advert this gun as the ultimate 'truck gun', but why. Id take my ruger p89 with 17 rounds of 9mm over anything else with only 5 rounds anyday. In my truck or not. Or 6 rounds from my Ragin Bull 44mag will do nicely too.
As stated before, no, they don't. You're also working with much lower pressure in a shotshell.
Its a Point and Kill the Bad Guy GUN
Like every other defensive firearm in the world? Or are you saying that because it's a "shotgun" you don't have to aim, just point it in their general direction?
Remember, shooting anybody in the Back OR over 25 feet, Makes YOU The Bad Guy In COURT...!!!
...no, it doesn't.
Methinks you need to do some reading here and elsewhere. I don't think you know what you're talking about, and it could end up costing you your life.
June 30, 2008, 02:41 PM
I'd listen to those who posted before me. No need for me to expound. I'll just directly post to the Box 'o Truth (http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm) and you tell me if you believe gun writers who are trying to sell guns for their advertisers, or if you believe actual objective testing.
This guy sleeps on one side of my bed.
This one on the other side.
June 30, 2008, 02:47 PM
Each of the 3 Balls has the power of a 9mm
No it doesn't.
Same diameter, but half the weight.
And they don't expand. 147 HST>3 000 Buck from a snub barrel
I liked the Taurus Judge a lot, enough to add it to my own personal arsenal. I firmly believe it is the best choice of guns for home defense I have seen.
And it would make a pretty good companion in bear country too, loaded with a combination of .410 slugs and buckshot.
Holy crap. This was in the article to which SgtKnuckles linked. WHAT?!?!?!?!? Companion in bear country loaded with .410 slugs or buckshot?
Maybe with .45LC, but even then, i'd rather have a fully rifled barrel for more accuracy.
I have one of the Judge revolvers with a 4" bbl, but it stays in the safe - I do not consider it a "defense gun" - that is - defense vs. human predators. Too weak with shotshells, and not enough ammo with either. And large and heavy. And to the limited extent that it IS a "defense" gun, it's with .45 colt only (except when utilized as "snake defense"). Not to mention that the cylinder gap blast prevents any revolver from being used for home defense for me personally.
I see the Judge as having five uses, ALL of which would come under the umbrella of an outdoor/woods/hunting gun: (a) Cottonmouth defense when bowfishing or fishing in the bayous and such (that's why I got the stainless steel one), (b) hiding in the blind next to the feeders, at very close range, to kill squirrels, crows, doves, and other stuff that is raiding your deer's corn, and (c) As a backup hunting pistol, with .45 colts, in case a deer walks right under your stand, but you can't get the rifle into a position to take the shot, due to the deer being almost directly under you - the revolver can be more easily positioned for such a shot (although there are better handgun choices than the Judge for this use). And finally (d) last ditch defense vs. a pack of roving feral dogs or a cougar or feral hog. (e) Or for that matter, a "coup-de-grace" hunting pistol.
So the Judge would really come into its own when you anticipate two or more of these five uses in a single outing - so you can carry 1 handgun instead of two. For example, your standard "coup de grace" hunting pistol might be a little .22lr. But if you ALSO think you might find feral dogs, then the Judge goes instead of the .22.
I suppose the Judge would be a decent choice with buckshot for self-defense in a scenario with very thin walls and close neighbors, such as if living in apartments or in an office building.
I'd rather have a fully rifled barrel for more accuracy.
The Judge IS "fully rifled".
June 30, 2008, 07:12 PM
I'm pretty sure it throws buckshot too widely to be useful for even this application- not that .410 buckshot are truly useful for defense, anyway.
June 30, 2008, 07:13 PM
Loaded with .357 magnum Silvertips. The speedloaders holds .38 Special Corbon +p because the wooden grip is in the way for fast magnum reloading because of those longer cartridges. The natural pointability of this Dan Wesson model 14 makes it suitable for shooting also when held at belly level. I can't use the sights in dark anyway and I don't have the time in day light. Six fast and then reload. If I have time the electronic earmuffs are there too, next to the bed. Call me prepared and responsible. Now, if I could only make the constant ringing in my ears go away.
June 30, 2008, 08:05 PM
What model is that if you don't mind me asking? Is it a 65 .357?
June 30, 2008, 08:12 PM
I don't own a Judge, but they seem to work fine. A few months back, one (loaded with shot shells) was used around here to stop an abusive ex from entering the old in-laws. He left in a bag, so I guess it did the job OK.
I'll stick to a .357 or a 38+p, though. (S&W 65-5, SP101, Taurus 63)
No pics yet.. primary (handgun, at least) is a Taurus 66 4" barrel, purchased new in Jusly of 1987, loaded w/ Remington 125gr SJHP +P .38 Special, or sometimes with Winchester 110gr .357 Magnum.
Backup, stashed in a compartment in my easy chair, is my C/A Undercover, purchased new in December of 1987, and loaded with Winchester 110gr STHP ammo.
I have others about, but this is a "revolver" thread.. those are them..!
June 30, 2008, 09:27 PM
I don't think I need to expound upon the uses of a .410 pistol for self defense. Looks like plenty of others have beat me to it.
When a reveolver does nightstand duty, it's one of these two, loaded with 145 grain Silvertips.
June 30, 2008, 09:47 PM
I started this Friendly Thread, so we could Post some of them FINE Home Defense Guns, and I must say I have seen some Dandy's...<:-)) And I know from past experience that the BLOW-HARDS are Lurking, waiting for there chance to Pounce... That's OK... I like hearing from both RIGHT & LEFT of center... It Just Adds SPICE To The Thread...<:-))
"The Box O' Truth" REBUT...
I own "The Judge" ~ Like "The Judge" ~ And Never Tried To Get Anybody To Buy "The Judge"
I don't expect you to believe what I have to SAY... Soooooo, I always Backup with Reputable LINKS & VIDEO CLIPS from Web Sites of People you all Trust...
I'm dumping more food for thought on you than the Old Fart did... The right Bullet for your Guns is always about what you plan on using it for...
I read "The Box O' Truth" web site all the time... and finding the same Disturbing thing in most tests... Not a vary good analysis of the Physics of what's happening in the test... I'm not disputing any of the data that was accumulated during the test... But, the data is just dumped in a pile, for the reader to make his own assumptions...<:-((
The testing is weak, and the analysis sucks as usual...
1) Penetration. the FBI's 12" Gel FPE rule is used to reference a rounds ability to penetrate windshields, and car doors in Gun fights, stopping the BadGuy... (me and you would normally come up against Shirts & Jackets in Self Defence situations) If it was all about penetration, we would all be using FMJ's...
The Experts Say ~ Read the Info in this PDF file: http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm
Also Read this: Here is two pages of Bullet Basics http://tinyurl.com/23huab
2) Now in this Link you will see that to shoot a BadGuy the Cops use Special Soft Hollow Points when shooting the BadGuy so as to get 100% of the Bullets energy into the BadGuy (a shoot through is wasted energy)... http://tinyurl.com/yv9sjp
3) The Test: 45LC... 14 1/2" Nice... But, it traveled 2 1/2" beyond the FBI 12" rule (a shootthrough Shot) 20% energy lost because there was to much penetration... The BadGuy did not absorb 100% of the Bullets energy... ( the old fart did say that it was a bad Bullet. What he meant, was that the bullet didn't slow down enough to stop by the Sacred 12"... Now lets expand on this a little. As seen in the GEL test in this Link: Gel testing the .32 ACP http://tinyurl.com/yel7nu A little .32 can get 15" penetration...!!!
4) The Test: OOO BuckShot... Lets clear up some more bad info & analysis... First off a OOO Buck ball is .360 not the .340 that was stated, check this Link: http://tinyurl.com/35z6nz and the next info that had No analysis was as follows... That "little .410" round in OOO Buckshot (3 balls) is roughly equivalent to Three rounds of 9mm - simultaneously delivered... The 9mm pistol may be criticized for a lack of stopping power, but there's no doubt that three .360 caliber balls delivered simultaneously packs a serious wallop...<:-)) Now lets talk about the 4 1/2" of penetration of that Buck Ball, X 3 = 13 1/2" of penetration, and expanded to 45cal or more as seen in the test, and 100% of the energy absorbed by the BadGuy... Now how about that 4 1/2"... Put your finger on your chest, and think 4 1/2" deep... 4 1/2" puts 1 ball in each Lung, and 1 in the Heart using the Spacing, and Depth that was shown in the Test... I agree that I would like to see at least 2" more penetration, just for good measure... Yup, Dead soft lead balls...<:-(( This is a problem that was reveiled in the test... I must check my OOO Buck Winchesters to see if they use Chilled Hardened Lead Balls...???
5) The Test: .410 Slug... why would you... The gun shoots 45LC's out to a 100 yards, D'oh... My range test says all you need to know...
6) The Test: #6 bird shot... Don't get hit in the Face with it at 5 feet... BadGuy would die almost instantly from a brain shot through the eye sockets...
7) My own Range test below gives some general AMMO info... I actually tested a Full range of AMMO for the Judge... You can Buy every Size .410 Shot shells on the web... I did...!!!
8) Lets answer another Question: +P But Not +P+
This is from page 4 of the Taurus catalog: +P RATED FOR DUTY USE®
All Taurus handguns are engineered to accept a steadydiet of factory-new Plus-P (+P) ammunition built to SAAMI specifications. This includes the Ultra-Lite hammer forged aluminum alloys, Titanium, blue steel and stainless steel models. Rest assured, your Taurus will be ready, especially when you’re counting on it.
Why is it that every time I go to "The Box O' Truth" web site I think of this LINK...???
~Will the Judge Shoot out through a closed car window if need be is the Question~
Well you Know "The Number "ONE" Rule of Gun Self-Defense"~If you have to use your Gun in a Fight or DIE situation, and you have decided to "Protect and Defend", You always take "TWO" quick Shots... NOT just one test shot...!!! Now you re-adjust your aim, and empty your Gun if needed... Make's the Window situation a Moot Point, (no window on second split second shot)...
NOTE: The Judge is a Meat Grinder Plain and Simple... You can empty the Gun in just under Two Seconds (1 1/2) That would put 15 000 Buck on target (same as 15 9mm's) and really mess up a BG's day...!!! Point and Shoot Babe~Point and Shoot Babe... Theres no place for a BG to hide from an instant Barrage like that...!!!
Range Report... "THE JUDGE"
This Gun has a Medium Frame ~ It's just a Puppy ~ hehehe...<:-))
Ahhhhhh, the Smell of Black Powder Burning in the Morning... "S W E E T" ...<:-)) See Pics...
I said that I would get to the Range, and shoot all the listed AMMO...
Well I did, and I will tell you what I liked...
1) Black Dawge's Black Powder~Most Fun you can have at the Range shooting Double Action as fast as you can empty that Wheel... Just like a Cannon... A column of Smoke rolls out there about 10 feet, and a foot in Diameter... hehehe Cool...<:-))
2) SilverTip Hollow Points~These were most accurate... I think the Jacket took the rifling the Best...<:-)) It's a Killer... You know I will have two of these in Hole #4 & #5 of that Wheel...<:-))
3) 7 1/2 & 6's Shot Winchester Super X HS~Snakes aren't going to like these...!!!...<:-))
4) 4 Shot Winchester Super X HS~Bad Guy won't like these...!!! Good Pattern & Damn near went through a 2x4...Maybe some did...!!! OUCH...!!!...<:-))
5) OOO BuckShot (.360)(3 Balls) ~ These are down right Killers, for Home Defense... Just Point and Shoot... not Aim and Shoot...<:-)) I feel a little tingle Knowing what these Babe's will do...<:-))
6) Rifled SLUG Hollow Points~Absolutely useless in this gun... The Gun don't shoot them... It Spits them... Hyper Fast~97Gr.~Don't touch the Rifling~some of them Key-Holing...
7) Nickel John Wayne's~Nice Big Bang... 250Gr. ... You know it's Deadly...
8) RNFP ULTRAMAX~Nice light shooter... You could shoot this all day at targets, and the Lady's Like this one the Best...
9) A-MERC~Good general Round... It will Kill anything you Hit With It...<:-))
45 Colt 250 Gr. LFN Winchester Nickel John Wayne's
45 Colt 200 Gr. RNFP ULTRAMAX
45 Colt 250 Gr. RNL A-MERC
45 Colt 235 Gr. RNFP GEOX Black Dawge's Black Powder
45 Colt 225 Gr. Winchester SilverTip Hollow Points +P Super X
.410 HighBrass 7 1/2 Shot Winchester Super X HS
.410 HighBrass 6 Shot Winchester Super X HS
.410 HighBrass 4 Shot Winchester Super X HS
.410 HighBrass OOO BuckShot (3 Balls) Winchester Super X HS
.410 HighBrass Rifled SLUG Hollow Points Winchester Super X HS
I guess some people just don't care to know the facts. :rolleyes:
That's all right though, it takes all kinds, here.
June 30, 2008, 10:07 PM
circa 1962'ish flat-latch that's been hard-chromed and converted to rb. None of the changes by me, but I like 'em just fine. :neener:
June 30, 2008, 10:34 PM
10 rounds of custom ammo loaded with silver bullets!
I live just hours from London.
Werewolves of London are some mighty bad dudes!!
I have a Polymer, double action only revolver , so BadA$$, one has to load it from up under the grip.
And his hair was perfect
June 30, 2008, 10:36 PM
The only thing that I really don't like about The Judge is that it has that obnoxious 'The' before 'Judge.' Stupid Taurus. I doubt I'll ever buy one, but if you like it, by all means... keep on truckin!
June 30, 2008, 10:57 PM
I have no pics to share and no dogs in any fight, but I wanted to let sm know he gets bonus points for the song reference. :D
June 30, 2008, 10:58 PM
it ok to post the S&W on the THE Judge thread? :rolleyes:
I'd love to find another one of these with a 4" barrel. This is without a doubt, my best shooting handgun. Great sights, great trigger, very accurate and the large frame shrugs off the recoil even heavy 357s. It feels like the recoil 38s in a smaller gun except for the noise.
Mid-70's Model 28 Highway Patrolman
3 doors enter into my home. a revolver near each one. main door has a .45acp S&W 625, next one a Ruger GP .357mag. least used has a 9 shot .22LR Taurus 4" loaded w/Velocitors. I'se arful skeered uv thu dark!:eek:
July 1, 2008, 10:56 PM
S&W 625 5" Bbl.
Guy Hogue finger grooves/checkered Rosewood Full size grip
loaded with .45 Auto Rim
load = 225 gr. Barnes XPB HP Solid Copper where the
hollow point is .260 diameter with thin walls for expansion
and it's guaranteed to retain 99+% bullet weight @ 945 FPS
Reloads = .45 ACP full moon clips 230 gr. Gold Dot JHPs that
fire pretty close to the same POA
Controllable Double Taps
Bad Guys - Kill em - don't blind em for a civil suit
July 2, 2008, 07:33 AM
Shot shells dumb? Like I said, I don't use them but they can be effective.
Laurel County Coroner Doug Bowling pronounced Justice dead at the scene from a rather unusual weapon.
“He he died from multiple gunshot wounds to the chest,” Bowling said. “From a pistol that shoots a 410 caliber (shotgun) shell.”
July 2, 2008, 09:48 AM
Multiple gunsht wounds of any kind, even a .22 pistol, to the chest can kill anyone.
"Home defense" is different from "assassination", though.
July 2, 2008, 03:31 PM
Read the story. One shot, three pellets. It did the job.
July 2, 2008, 04:17 PM
I have two revolvers that do defense duty around the house.
The old Iver Johnson .38 is permanently housed in a hidden nook by one of the doors. I leave it there, just in case. The H&R DA 676 (.22 WMR) goes in a night table. I also have a 9x18 Makarov, which is also used primarily for home defense. I have other, more powerful handguns but these last two I can point shoot well. I figure if I have to defend myself in the dark and half asleep, I should go with the ones I shoot best without relying on the sights.
Heres my S&W Model 28-2. Fits me like a glove... or is it the other way around. It's also solid enough for my wife to use if need be.
July 3, 2008, 12:24 AM
S&W 66 with 125gr .357s on the nightstand.
Marlin 1894 with same ammo in the corner.
If 15 rounds of .357 aren't going to save my bacon, it's doubtful anything short of an airstrike will.
July 3, 2008, 05:53 AM
Nice grips, Erik!
Here are two of my house revo's, a Smith 65 and a Rossi 720, 357 and 44, respectively. I think the three-inch barrels are perfect for lots of uses, but CCW and home defense primarily. Woe be unto the BG who tries to grab the barrel!
July 3, 2008, 02:03 PM
I don't have a picture handy, but I'm sure you guys have seen 'em... the good 'ol Ruger GP100 with a six pack of 357 maggies.
This is my interim gun until I can get my 12 MW hand-held laser blaster working. I am having a hard time attaining FCC compliance with the osculating magnetic charge conductor. But when I am done... whoa momma. ;)
July 3, 2008, 02:18 PM
I see lots of great Highway Patrolmen.
July 3, 2008, 09:22 PM
Yeap it has the Clinton hole in the side but I trust my life with it. If me and the wife can't keep the bad guy away with this and her Glock 22, we fall back to the 870 Shot gun.
July 3, 2008, 09:46 PM
Does the .10MM produce more enegery then the .357 Magnum? And can it function properly without moonclips? Thanks, and safe shooting!
You got one beautiful revolver! ;)
July 3, 2008, 10:05 PM
I will let the experts answer the ballistics of the 357 and 10MM :). With 10MM in this revolver you do not need the moon clips. You only need moon clips if you are going to fire 40S&W in it.
This should give you a good idea of its capabilities. What I like about it is the recoil very similar to 45ACP in my 625JM, smooth soft push. This makes follow up shots a breeze. My only problem is that my wife likes it very much as well. So I am afraid of the day she walks in and says honey the 610 is mine now. :)