[cuchulainn]

from the Chicago Sun Times

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-gun26.htmlTeens support gun control, poll says

August 26, 2003

BY ANA MENDIETA Staff Reporter

More than a third of American teens personally know victims of gun violence, and almost 74 percent of them believe there should be stronger gun controls, according to a national teen survey to be released today in Chicago.

And as for the cause of gun crimes, 58.5 percent of teens said they don't believe TV and movies make teens violent. But 56.5 percent said violent teens learn their behavior from their parents.

Thirty-nine percent of the 1,038 young people who participated in the 4th Annual Uhlich National Teen Gun Survey said they know someone who has been shot.

"This is epidemic,'' said Tom Vanden Berk, president and executive director of Uhlich Children's Advantage Network, a Chicago-based child welfare agency that will release the survey. "We ought to listen to what young people are saying."

A total of 36.5 percent of teens said they could get a gun if they wanted to, and 37.2 percent said they know a teenager who has threatened to kill someone, according to the survey.

During the survey's release today, U.S. Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) is expected to announce a bill to prevent those who committed violent crimes as juveniles from buying guns once their records are expunged.

[MrAcheson]

I heard some individuals in my High School had guns, but I never actually saw or experienced anything. On the other hand, my high school did lose something like 7 kids in the space of two years because of major car accidents.

[AZRickD]

"More than a third of American teens personally know victims of gun violence,"

Um. I don't think so.

Rick

[Oleg Volk]

If anyone asked me about gun control in school, I probably would have supported some version of it...lack of critical thinking isn't unique to teenagers but it is prevalent among them.

[Nightfall]

More than a third of American teens personally know victims of gun violence...
Bull crap! Unless they mean a third of American teens surveyed in the ghetto. :rolleyes:
...and almost 74 percent of them believe there should be stronger gun controls...
There is a simple truth that explains the reason for this:

The majority of teenagers are quite simply morons. I say this as a teen who knows teens. Teenagers, in general, are so stupid as to make a raving, frothing-at-the-mouth liberal look rational by comparison.

[Skunkabilly]

What Oleg said.

Los Angeles Unified School District (1984-1997)

[eatatjoes]

The majority of teenagers are quite simply morons. I say this as a teen who knows teens. Teenagers, in general, are so stupid as to make a raving, frothing-at-the-mouth liberal look rational by comparison.

i have to agree with you there. i am just a couple of years removed from an illinois high school and found that blind ignorance to the use of firearms in general is extremely prevelant. there is usually not even any room for rational debate or discussion of facts. many students would simply give the "guns are bad" speech and disregard whatever facts were given to them showing the positive affects of firearms.

[fish2xs]

Time to play "Dig 4 Crap!!"

> More than a third of American teens personally know victims of gun violence, and
> almost 74 percent of them believe there should be stronger gun controls, according
> to a national teen survey to be released today in Chicago.

Why not ask teens? They know EVERYTHING! Amy Carter gave sound
advice to her dad on this country's nuclear policy...

And of course, they only asked 1000 kids from some armpit of a ghetto
in Crackville - but the paper will never reveal their methodology...

> And as for the cause of gun crimes, 58.5 percent of teens said they don't believe
> TV and movies make teens violent. But 56.5 percent said violent teens learn their
> behavior from their parents.

Oh no! Spending 8 hours a day watching gansta rap videos does nothing
to your teenage attitiude.

> Thirty-nine percent of the 1,038 young people who participated in the 4th Annual
> Uhlich National Teen Gun Survey said they know someone who has been shot.

Ibid: Crackville

> "This is epidemic,'' said Tom Vanden Berk, president and executive director of
> Uhlich Children's Advantage Network, a Chicago-based child welfare agency that
> will release the survey. "We ought to listen to what young people are saying."

*sniff!* It's for the *sniff!* children!! If I listened to what some young
people are saying, I'd have a huge SUV, a 20X30 addition to the house dedicated
to Blink182, and a direct deposit of my paycheck to The Gap. Since when are
people who don't pay bills the experts?

> A total of 36.5 percent of teens said they could get a gun if they wanted to,
> and 37.2 percent said they know a teenager who has threatened to kill someone,
> according to the survey.

Ibid: Crackville

> During the survey's release today, U.S. Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) is expected
> to announce a bill to prevent those who committed violent crimes as juveniles
> from buying guns once their records are expunged.

How about just keeping them in jail in the first place? Or are we lining
up our wallets for an increase in spending for your programs that will do
nothing?

[SDC]

And that, boys and girls, is why we need to get young people involved in our sport if we want it to last. These are the same half-wits who grow up believing everything they see on TV or in the movies, and then go on to vote for "Liberals" and "Democrats" to make it all better. Unfortunately, their vote is worth just as much as anyone else's, no matter HOW stupid they are. Take a kid (or 3) shooting, and it will help immunize them against this crap.

[HankB]

More than a third of American teens personally know victims of gun violence Well, they feel they know their favorite rapper from MTV, so that counts, doesn't it?

Ditto to all the other comments about crackville/ghetto surveys.

And I firmly believe many of today's students really ARE morons. Back when I was in high school, we knew something of our rights - what they were, what they weren't, and respected authority . . . grudgingly, in some places, but we were smart enough to know the limits of authority, particularly as it applied to school officials and the police. And when some authority figure stepped over the line . . . we simply didn't comply.

Today's teens will either grab their ankles and say "YES SIR!" to any order, no matter how out-of-line it is, or take the other extreme and do something violent.

Morons.

[spacemanspiff]

lets see, hows that expression go? something about Children should be seen and NOT HEARD. yeah, thats the one.

[Sheslinger]

How many of them actually know of the current gun control measures and the fact that most of them do not make sense and do not make anyone any safer?

It's all in education - we need to do our part and keep educating when we can.

FYI - several years ago I would have said the same thing (minus knowing someone who got shot). If they are only exposed to one point of view, it's only natural for them to follow that thought process.

Sheslinger

[OF]

Jeeze. I supported gun control when I was a teen, only I never knew why, it just seemed like the position to have based on the people I hung around with. And it was way more important to me to have views similar to my friends so we could continue to hang out than it was to come to any kind of rational conclusion based on reason. The typical teenager puts more though into what brand of shampoo to use or who they can get to buy the beer for them next weekend than any major political issue. There's a reason we don't let teens vote...

- Gabe

[Partisan Ranger]

'Most teens' support 'gun control', and I voted for Bill Clinton in my college days.

The moral - Fortunately for some of us, stupidity is somewhat compensated for by age and experience.

[BHPshooter]

Well, you're lookin' at one teen that sure isn't for more gun control.

Most of you guys hit the nail on the head -- most teens are unbelievable idiots believing that Earth can be made into a Utopia.

But there is more to it: The kind of brainwashing that goes on in schools is amazing, simply amazing. I remember from Junior High until the early years of High School the Socialist Studies classes continually talked about Guns, Crime, and Gun Control. They would always ask us what we thought was the answer, but it was in a funny way (anybody ever heard of manipulation by suggestive questions?), like "Should we make guns illegal so bad guys can't get them, or just make them really hard to get, so bad guys can't get them?"

It wasn't until I started thinking for myself and rebelling a little bit from teachings that didn't make sense that I really figured it out. And many of my peers still don't, and probably never will, think for themselves.

At that point, I was probably only one of few that wanted to say, "Why don't we just shoot the bad guys?"

Take a kid (or 3) shooting, and it will help immunize them against this crap.

"If you love them, Immunize." ;)

Wes

[Partisan Ranger]

"Bull crap! Unless they mean a third of American teens surveyed in the ghetto. "

You're dead on, but most people won't even think about the polling sample. They'll accept that number as fact. Look for it to reappear in the mainstream media.


When my wife worked at Red Cross in Baltimore, one of her urban coworkers who lived in the area said in a big meeting, 'Everyone has a drug addict in the family." Everyone in the room who lives in Baltimore nodded.

My wife and another suburban dweller looked at each other: :scrutiny:

My point is, the sample in both the Chicago story and my wife's was hardly representative of the general populace. One thing I've learned in watching the media is to dissect ANY poll they use as a source with a scalpel.:

[Zundfolge]

Here's the source for the study

http://www.ucanchicago.org/

[Mark Tyson]

This just in:

USA: "Teens support legalization of all recreational drugs, removal of consensual sex age limitations, removal of age restrictions on driving, and elimination of all other status offenses."

Now now, we have to listen to what the children are telling us.

[PeteyPete]

I'd believe that most teens support gun control..i know I did when i was a teenager. Growing up in NJ, and having parents who weren't too kean on guns gave me little exposure to firearms. Couple this with a brainwashing, conditioning, and indoctrinating public school system that makes firearm owners out to be rednecks, looneys, or potential killers...and you have a fine receipe for an antigunner generation. I recall hearing about a kid that carried an illegal firearm back in High School.....i didn't even want to look at the kid thinking his gun would make him go off the handle and pull a Columbine.

Until i was brought the the range by one of my friends when i was 21...guns were anathema to me. That day I was taken hostage by my buddy when he said he wanted to stop in at the range to pick up his new handgun. Immediately i said "NO" and called him a jackass for wanting to own guns and told him he'd probably wind up shooting his brother coming in from the bar late at night (who says Brady propaganda doesnt work). He insisted that we were stopping to pick up his new gun, and i acquiesced realizing that my obstinence was really just an extention of my irrational fear of guns. Realizing this...and not wanting to sound any more like a flaming pussy...i decided i'd give shooting a try.

After that one day at the range, my perspective changed. The next day i applied for my FID card, and put a down payment on a Sig P229. It's funny that a chance trip to the range at the behest of a friend changed my perspective on gun rights and furthered my interest in libertarian politics and the intent of our founders.

[spacemanspiff]

yeah, these are probably the same kids that support the thuggish antics of 2pac or 50iq.
as a side note, somewhat related, i recently browsed through the yahoo personals, and nearly all women who have posted ads through there describe themselves as 'liberals'. for poops and giggles, i replied to a few, asking them to explain their 'liberal' beliefs. none answered back. could be that in my profile i stated that i take the issue of self defense seriously and would expect any woman to feel the same way.
a couple who responded recieved brief explanations of 'Molon Labe', and why i feel that of the five things i could not live without, guns and ammo are on my list.
only two ads from women state they like guns. one of them flashed a huge blip on the 'psycho' raydar when she said her grandfather has all her guns, because of an ex-boyfriend or whatever. the other is a former 'dancer' who stated she likes hunting, but when asked what she hunts, 'oh whatever, ducks, moose, anything thats out there', "oh yeah, what do you shoot?"
'just a shotgun."
oooo-kay!

[Hk Paul]

Im a teenager, we are stupid. Atleast I am smart enough to admit that.

[The Plainsman]

There was a reason that for years, a person wasn't eligible to vote until they attained the age of 21. We now disallow drinking for kids under 21 nationwide, but at the same time, we lowered the voting age. It do make you wonder - on which do our politicians place a higher priority - drinking or voting? :uhoh:

[Silver Bullet]

More than a third of American teens personally know victims of gun violence
This is fairly meaningless. If one kid in one of three high schools is a gun violence victim, and all the kids in that one high school know that one kid, then 1/3 of the kids in those three schools know a victim: a total of one victim.

[Standing Wolf]

If not for lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, and plain old-fashioned fraud, the presstitutes of the extreme left would have nothing to report.

[jsalcedo]

I was a gun nut teenager in the 80's and everytime someone chimed in with their ignorant anti BS I would verbally crush them. (thanks to tons of reading).

I would wear SOF and HK Tshirts, have all the pro gun bumper stickers on my backpack and always wore my "gun control is hitting your target" pin.

Many of my teachers were worthless hippie rejects and my fellow classmates were ignorant, fetal alcohol syndrome, bliss ninnys so being a pro gun, conservative teenager was difficult if you wanted to fit in.

And its probably worse almost 20 years later.

[Roadkill Coyote]

But basing legislation on it is another thing entirely :rolleyes:

Teen Mood Swings Explained? The part of the brain that controls judgement matures later. (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/MedicineCuttingEdge/brain030818_teenage.html)

The images show one of the last parts of the brain to complete this maturation process is the prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain responsible for planning, judgment and self-control.
If being "the future" means that we should let teens make important decisions and influence policy, then why aren't we paying more attention to the Real future? Why don't we ask pre-schoolers what the law of the land should be. Its the same logic...

[Nightfall]

The kind of brainwashing that goes on in schools is amazing, simply amazing.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=456601
This is a drawing I did, probably in about 1st grade, back in the early 90s. That little grey thing is a gun. From very early on, kids in public school are usually taught simply: drugs are bad, violence is bad, guns are bad. It starts early, folks.

Ugh, the 'no more' slogan and the crossed out gun makes me feel dirty and used... like a Million Mom got her talons into me. :barf:

[jdege]

When I was a teen, I thought our current approach to gun control was absurd. Basically, I thought that our laws ensured that any idiot could get a gun, but when the SHTF, only the criminals would have them.

My take was that either a complete ban - removing all guns, so that criminals didn't have them, or a complete legalization - letting anyone carry anywhere they wished, would be better than what we have now.

Of course, I've since realized that it's impossible to remove all guns. Criminals who want them will have them, regardless of the law. And, of course, I've seen the success of shall-issue laws. So my opinion on the issue has changed, some.

[Hkmp5sd]

More than a third of American teens personally know victims of gun violence...

Amazing. I'm almost as old as Tamara and I don't know of any of my family or friends that have been victims of gun violence. I must have led a sheltered life thus far.

BTW, all you need to do is ask some nice socialistic indoctrinated teen if he thinks they should be selling machineguns and hand grenades in the school store, you can truthfully say, "Teens support gun control."

[anapex]

Well unlike most of you my high school days were plagued with gun violence, most of it happening the first Monday after Thanksgiving...:neener:

[USGuns]

1/3?!?! BS.

[Baba Louie]

I too, was a child brought up to believe in gun control.

My dad and uncles made darned sure of that.

"Keep the muzzle pointed downrange little babalouie"

"Use both hands to control the Gun little babalouie"

"Shoot a lot, but always Aim, little babalouie and hit what you aim at"

"Clean them then put them safely away baba"

Ah, to be a yout in the 60's with plenty of guns around to practice your gun control with/on... life was great.

1 in 3? Who cares? Someone needs to edumacate them kids afore they grow up into bleeding heart do-gooder geo-political virgins, but it'll never happen at that age, if it hasn't already

Adios

[Monkeyleg]

When I was a teenager there was no gun control, save for the '34 NFA. So, I didn't have an opinion on the subject. However, my opinions on other subjects were formed by such monumental thinkers as John Lennon and Mick Jagger. I'd be embarrassed to admit what I believed back then.

As for the "over a third know someone who's been shot" stat, well, teenagers like to brag. Ask 1000 teenagers if they've ever had sex, and you'll get 750 virgins who say "yes," and 250 non-virgins who will say "no."

[bedlamite]

After a quick scan of the site Zundfolge linked to, they didn't list the methodology, so I did a quick search, and came up with this:

http://www.eiconline.org/violence/teenattitudes.html

The survey was conducted through a self-executing mail interview in January and February of 2001, as part of the TRU syndicated survey. Survey recipients were telephoned a month after receipt of the survey to encourage return of a completed questionnaire.

Here's the place that did the survey:

http://www.teenresearch.com/home.cfm

[Silver Bullet]

from the Chicago Sun Times
Also, consider the source.

[BHPshooter]

From very early on, kids in public school are usually taught simply: drugs are bad, violence is bad, guns are bad. It starts early, folks.

Nightfall, your picture is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind when I typed my post -- I remember them having us do this in about first grade as well.

Of course, when you have a homosexual radical-liberal teacher [if it can happen in Utah, it can happen anywhere] teaching high school history, you can only imagine how bad these issues can be pushed/twisted/spun.

If the social repercussions of home-schooling weren't so severe [in these parts, anyway], I'd really consider that for my kids' future.

And no, I don't have any kids. I hope that's clear. ;)

Wes

[BowStreetRunner]

like its been said before in this thread...not too much critical thinking going on in high school....especially about things with little or no critical debate going.....guns are a taboo subject in school unfortunately.........we need to make some converts!
start em young!
BSR

[another okie]

Two of you have pointed out that the average person, let alone the average teenager, really has no idea just how much gun control legislation is already out there. That needs to be reiterated.

About half of them seem to think that all guns are registered, and the other half seems to have exactly the opposite belief, that you can just back your truck up to a gun store and load up all the full auto .50 BMGs you want with no paperwork.

[dustind]

I grew up in suburbia Minnesota wondering why we could not own explosives or rocket launchers. I was very unhappy to learn how regulated machine guns were. The ten round magazine limit had me livid for more than a day, and I mean livid.

I was born a libertarian scientist engineer geek with a strong philosphiy on govermental limits, and right vs wrong. I always valued privacy and freedom. I grew up playing with toy guns and was fascinated by balistics and thought shooting would be fun. Video games, toy guns, and self defence got me interested in shooting. Watch star trek sometime and see if enterpise could get by without phazers or photon torpedos for both weapons and tools.

I fail to see how children can grow up with controlling parents, controlling school, and with controlling laws, and like it. I had a lot of freedom as a kid, and did a lot of "unsafe" things, I always hating people telling me what to do, or how to do it.

[Duncan Idaho]

Ibid: CrackvilleLMAO!!!

Fish2xs, you made my day for me! Thanks! :D :D :D

[mattd]

I belive the 1/3 thing but only for the ghetto areas. I had a good friend that was shot and killed not to long ago and not to mention all my other friends that joined gangs that where shot and I've never heard about it. As a high schooler I never once thought about gun control, even being around "questionable" guns and questionable carrying and other stuff I can't talk about.... but if someone was to ask me, of course I would of said there should be some law about guns, I bet it was yes or no and I bet 95% of people are going to check the yes box.

[Tamara]

"If we want to regain the respect of the world, we should begin by announcing that children have no business expressing opinions on anything except 'Do you have enough room in the toes?'"

-- Florence King

[WonderNine]

Los Angeles Unified School District (1984-1997)

Dang Skunk, you're almost as old as I am. :D

Yea, the majority of teenagers haven't exactly had the life experience to make them qualified to voice opinion on what their favorite food is much less issues like this.

[WonderNine]

Hey Nightfall, the majority of my primary school pictures involves soldiers blowing up things and machine guns and bombs and stuff blowing up and Godzilla crushing stuff. I would feel dirty and used also if I had drawn something like that although I know I never would have as I'm too much of a rebel.

And look how I turned out. :evil:

[Nightfall]

Oh, rest assured WonderNine, many (if not most) of my drawings pre-k and on involved guns. Lots of guns. :D Around 5th grade a lot of my drawings focused on guns, minus people. Scoped revolvers on up to assault rifles.

Ahh, good times, good times.

[JohnBT]

I'd bet that if you ran that survey on Richmond City public school students - elementary, middle and high - you'd find out that 2/3rds or 15/16ths knew someone who's been killed. Maybe not a close buddy, but they'd know the name of the person and the names of the friends and family.

That's what the newspaper here has reported time and time again anyway. I'd go dig it up, but I'm not going to right this minute. Think I'll go grab a sandwich up the street.

John

[fish2xs]

>> LMAO!!!
>>
>> Fish2xs, you made my day for me! Thanks!

Thank you! I'm here all week!

[Peter Gun]

Wasnt there a much publicized survey that showed 75% of high school students couldnt find the US on a map? I had always beleived that it was because most kids didnt take it seriously or were very stupid. Which answer supports using them as political advisors?
BTW, I could find the US on the map, but was also in favor of banning handguns. However I thought everyone should have an m-16.
Reality has a way of imposing itself on you after school.

[Zedicus]

Reality has a way of imposing itself on you after school.
you hit the nail on the head man.

after school you kindof feel like you were just freed from the matrix...

thanfully my dad kept me in tune with reality, as a result I usualy thought other kids/teens were the biggest morons on the planet...

so when I entered "The Real World" the only thing that shocked me at all was the fact that I was right about other kids/teens being morons.:)

[Demon4545]

Doesn't surprise me. As a teen myself I see every day how little my peers think or care about things like this, and how readily they accept what they are told by the teachers/hippies. Although I am happy to say that I have converted at least a couple of people to a pro RKBA stance.

[Combat-wombat]

USA: "Teens support legalization of all recreational drugs, removal of consensual sex age limitations, removal of age restrictions on driving, and elimination of all other status offenses."
You're right, here's what It's like at my school:
"Dude, It won't kill you, it's just a cigarette."
"Dude, you won't get AIDS, it doesn't happen here"(However, consensual sex age limitations are scary in my view. I'm not stupid enough to have sex as a teenager, but saying that it is ILLEGAL is just... simply crazy in my view.)
"Dude, why the hell can't we drive?"

From very early on, kids in public school are usually taught simply: drugs are bad, violence is bad, guns are bad. It starts early, folks.
YES! From kindergarten I was taught this. I remember. In D.A.R.E. we were sort of indirectly taught to snitch on our parents if they kept guns for home/self defense. Oun DARE officer was definitely an anti, you could just tell. Also, we are taught to snitch on our parents in a situation like this:
"Ummm, Officer Treece, what if your parents let you have a couple sips of their beer or wine?" The answer is just NO, Never, Not until you're 21, you have bad parents.
Dammit, I frequently enjoy a small glass of wine, and I should snitch on my parents for letting me? I don't think so. Kids in France drink wine when they're freakin' six!

If I listened to what some young
people are saying, I'd have a huge SUV, a 20X30 addition to the house dedicated
to Blink182, and a direct deposit of my paycheck to The Gap.
That is more true than you think.

I grew up in suburbia Minnesota wondering why we could not own explosives or rocket launchers. I was very unhappy to learn how regulated machine guns were. The ten round magazine limit had me livid for more than a day, and I mean livid.

I was born a libertarian scientist engineer geek with a strong philosphiy on govermental limits, and right vs wrong. I always valued privacy and freedom. I grew up playing with toy guns and was fascinated by balistics and thought shooting would be fun. Video games, toy guns, and self defence got me interested in shooting. Watch star trek sometime and see if enterpise could get by without phazers or photon torpedos for both weapons and tools.

I fail to see how children can grow up with controlling parents, controlling school, and with controlling laws, and like it. I had a lot of freedom as a kid, and did a lot of "unsafe" things, I always hating people telling me what to do, or how to do it.
Wow, you are just like me!



Oh, rest assured WonderNine, many (if not most) of my drawings pre-k and on involved guns. Lots of guns. Around 5th grade a lot of my drawings focused on guns, minus people. Scoped revolvers on up to assault rifles.
Ahhh... just like me in 3rd grade. Then columbine happened, and my teacher made me stop:mad: Don't even think about doodling a gun now, or off to the counselor's office to you! You sick little child!

I would wear SOF and HK Tshirts, have all the pro gun bumper stickers on my backpack and always wore my "gun control is hitting your target" pin.
Yep. Just like me now. Right now I'm wearing my "Peace through superior firepower" shirt.
And its probably worse almost 20 years later.
You bet it is.

You all are right: Most teenagers are stupid.
I am always accused of being too political at school. Whenever I make a point, I get: "Uhhh, Henry, we don't want to hear your stupid political whatever" or this just happened today: "Shut your dippocratic craphole!"
Yeah, you heard right. These people are so stupid, they make up stuff that sounds political, and use it to make fun of me. I was LMAO when I heard "Dippocratic"!

Anyway, teenagers are stupid. I am smart and have better judgement than most people in my age group, but I will admit I have done some stupid things and still have bad judgement, even if it is better than most 13 year olds.

This report is crap. 1/3??? Yeah, yeah. You're friend got some caps busted in him while he was kickin' it wit' some G's down in the westside and you popped out some shots back wit' your Glock? Yeah right.

[Partisan Ranger]

I love that drawing above someone posted of EVIL GUNS!

My 7 year old regularly draws tanks with American flags blowing stuff up - at school. :evil:

[BHPshooter]

My 7 year old regularly draws tanks with American flags blowing stuff up - at school.
Actually I frequently drew pictures of "war scenes" where there were planes and tanks ans APCs shooting the same. I didn't know who our enemy was back then, but I knew the Nazis were bad guys, so the good guys had the dash-star-dash USA emblem, and the bad guys had a swastika.

My teacher went nuts over how cool she thought it was! One of my classmate's Dad was a high-ranking Army dude, and he liked it as well, so he had me draw him a 6-by-8-foot poster for his office. Apparently his CO really liked it, and sent me a letter telling me so.

This was in 3rd grade. Of course, things changed pretty soon after that, once I entered Junior High.

Wes

[mattd]

More kid drawings at
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=irule

You spelled America wrong ???????. Also, I could have sworn America's colors were red, white and blue. There's no yellow anywhere, traitor.F

[Combat-wombat]

Rachel, age 7 That's interesting, everyone in this picture is white. Even the rainbow is white. Perhaps in an ideal world, everyone would be white isn't that right, Rachel? Or should I call you RACIST? Nice try, Hitler. F
LMFAO!!!

[BHPshooter]

LOL, that website is how my roommates and I entertained ourselves in College. It is a hoot!

Wes

[mattd]

http://maddox.xmission.com/rosie.html

[stevelyn]

In D.A.R.E. we were sort of taught to snitch on our parents if the kept a gun for home/self-defense.

Being a DARE officer (DARE & DARE middle school/Jr High) myself I take exception to those DARE officers who take the opportunity to use what starts as a good program to pursue a PC/socialist/statist agenda. :fire:
The DARE curriculuum itself is gun neutral. The lessons on violence is about making proper choices and the consequences of making the wrong ones.
If a DARE officer (I won't call them fellow officers they amount to treasonous JBTs) starts interjecting his/her opinion and statist disinformation into the lessons to pursue the party line, they are drifting away from what DARE is about and should be de-certified and their sorry @rses sent back onto the street. :banghead: :cuss: :fire:

[Hkmp5sd]

Reality has a way of imposing itself on you after school.

And now you know why most teachers and professors are leftist. They never left school to get a dose of the real world. Theories work a lot better if you never have to actually test them for functionality.