What would you take if you had leave quickly


July 6, 2008, 04:12 PM
If the worse case scenario happened, for instance, if there were no gasoline, Food was so expensive that only the wealthy could afford it, your savings was gone, because the Banks collapsed, the public started to turn on it's leaders, "a revolution of sorts" and you needed to get out of the cities , until order was restored, where would you go and what would you take with you weapon wise, otherwise, would you dig in, where would you feel safe, who would you tell? Could it really happen?

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July 6, 2008, 04:30 PM
Where would I go? What would I do?

I'm going to Disneyland!!!:D

Ok, maybe not. I don't know why you'd want to go anywhere rather than just hunker down. Unless its a localized event or disaster, packing up all your crap and going somewhere else where things are just as bad (or worse) seems sort of a poor move to me.

July 6, 2008, 04:32 PM
I'm bugged in and doin' fine. :)

-- John

41 magnum fan
July 6, 2008, 05:01 PM
I live in the country with plenty of crops,livestock and wild game around.So I am staying here.

July 6, 2008, 05:15 PM
I'd probably go... where I am now - out on the edge of nowhere, surrounded by croplands, the Rio Grande and the border just ten miles away, and the coast a measly sixty miles away. Food's easy to come by if you're not picky, folks are used to just making do, and the "distant emperor" is really distant.

Nope, couldn't do much better than this.

July 6, 2008, 05:15 PM
I'll head for our land in southern NM.

We keep some cash in our gun safes. We'll take cash and guns.

Between those two things, I can acquire anything else I want or need.


July 6, 2008, 05:17 PM
I have a bug out plan, and enough food and water pre-packed to get me there, with medical supplies and guns and ammo. Past that I am headed to the hills out here...way out!!

SG Merc
July 7, 2008, 07:53 PM
...if there were no gasoline...

...where would you go...

Not far.

July 8, 2008, 02:53 AM
unless fires were raging totally out of control, and coming my way, I'djust stay put. I have WAY more food, water, guns, ammo, medical supplies, etc at home than would fit in my car (which would be useless, as you said theres no gas), or that 10 people could carry.Also, I feel my home is more defenseable than an open area, and I'm much less likely to die of exposure there too.So, I think staying put is best for me in 99% of the scenarios.In the others, Id head to the national forest nearby, taking as much food, water, ammo, warm clothes, medical supplies, etc that I could transport, and do what I had to do, for as long as I coud do it. As to what guns I'd take (since this is a gun forum after all), I'd carry my 1911, and take my AR and mossberg 590, with all the ammo I have for them (quite a bit, with a lot of variety for different uses). Those 3 would cover pretty much any gun need I could have,from defense, to hunting anything in the state.

July 8, 2008, 02:54 AM
double tap

July 9, 2008, 08:19 AM
....cash and credit cards.

Eric F
July 9, 2008, 08:27 AM
Great another SHTF thread........have we not all covered this before?

If not I dare say unless folks had bicycles or hourses we would have to walk so say 50 miles a day and to where? out of the cities likely only to be killed for the posessions on out backs!

essientials food water and shelter. and the means to get them

with in a few months/years guns and ammunition would be obsolete unless you could manufacture powder then its back to muzzle loading days with flint locks until primers could be manufactured again.

Mr White
July 9, 2008, 08:42 AM
I already live in the country so I'm not going anywhere, 'cept maybe I might go and loot a beer distributor. :D Other than that, I should have enough provisions to keep me and mine for quite some time.

Just Jim
July 9, 2008, 08:46 AM
I would join the revolution if all you said came true.:what::D:D:D


July 9, 2008, 09:20 AM
My cigars.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun
July 9, 2008, 09:24 AM
I keep small amount of Gold in home safe and more in safety deposit box. I never understood people who buy 'Paper gold' in a brokerage or forex account. If the banks failed all that electronic wealth is useless.

In any SHTF situation the money supply will get very tight. Having physical possesion of gold is always a good idea. Now some people take it too far and think it can replace stocks, bonds, etc. Having 5% of net worth in a easily transportable format that hedges inflation is good insurance.

July 9, 2008, 09:36 AM
We deal with this nearly every year one the Gulf Coast to a lesser extent.

The gubment ALWAYS wants you to evacuate. It's usually better to hunker down and ride it out. I'm not going anywhere.

July 9, 2008, 10:05 AM
I stumbled upon this article. It makes for an interesting read, especially when thinking about the OP situation. Sorry if it's a little long.

Barter for Survival copyright 1996 Robert Henry

It never fails, you never have all or exactly what you need or want. Survival situations will be no different. From the beginning of time, man has traded man for things he needs or wants. In this article we will look at bartering from a different approach as well as some possible items to barter with.

With the ever approaching collapse of the dollar and the subsequent chaos that may ensue, barter items take a high priority along with your other preparations.

First things first. You need to acquire the "basics" for your own survival prior to putting back barter goods. This would include at least a year's supply of food (preferably 5+ years), a water purification device, a stocked medical kit and the knowledge to use it, communications gear and the firearms necessary to protect yourself amongst other things. Most importantly, and most overlooked is good training in skills necessary for survival.

Different people have different opinions and ideas. My ideas and opinions on certain things are much different from the average survivalist. I consider myself a realist. When many people plan for disasters they like to think of the best possible situations and unconsciously the mind plans around those conditions. It it best to always think of the worst possible situations and plan around them.

Gold and silver are often considered two of the best barter items. If we examine this idea closely is has several flaws. Many "experts" state that you should buy pre-1965 junk silver for use in bartering. Junk silver is considered quarters, dimes and (EDITED TO READ- "SOME") nickels minted before 1965 when silver was taken out of these coins. The problem with this is in recognition. While it is true that some people will realize that these coins have some silver, most people won't. Just imagine that you have suffered with a toothache for several years after the crash and you finally find a dentist. You approach him and ask him to pull your tooth offering him 10 pre-65 coins. "What the hell is this? You expect me to pull your teeth for 50 cents?" Try to convince him they have value.

The fact is that pre-65 coins are not recognized as valuable by the majority of the public. And what about practical value? Can you eat them? Start fires with them? Maybe you could melt them down and have some use for them. Gold and silver can be useful as a hedge against inflation and a possible investment. In those regards they are useful.

Gold and silver are threatening. I say this because of their very nature. Today in "civilized" times people kill each other for money. Gold and silver are a form of money. Think about how many people have been killed over gold throughout history. Have people gotten less violent or more violent? People kill each other just for kicks today, what will they do for your gold? Word will get around quickly if you trade in gold and silver. Greed breeds very quickly.

Another common idea in bartering is to trade ammunition. Think about this for a while, think deeply. Do you really want to give strangers ammunition? The first trade with a stranger might go well. The second trade he could shoot you with your own ammo. If you trust the person you are trading with it might not be a bad deal.

Yet another idea for a barter item is liquor. Not a bad idea except for a few things. To a degree liquor is a threatening item same as gold. It's just one of those things that some people will do anything for. What better way to escape reality than getting plastered? Booze will be in demand after the collapse. Let's say for example though that you have two cases of Vodka stored up. Uncle Joe who is now staying with you just can't cope with the fact that everything went to hell in a handbasket. Uncle Joe becomes drunkard Joe real quick. Survival situations are serious business. Do you want to risk having some drunk getting a hold of your AR15 and shooting at your neighbors? Booze is not a bad idea for a barter item IF it can be controlled. If I were to put some back I would not let anyone know about it.

Barter items-
So then what can we trade with? It's simple just think of all the necessities you would need in a long term survival situation. Open your mind and look around at the things you use everyday and think "Would there be an easy way for me to make this or substitute something for it?" If both answers are no, you have a possible barter item.

When you buy items to put into your survival storage buy a little extra of everything you need. It is usually just a couple of extra bucks.

Before we look at some suggestions for barter items we need to have a little lesson in psycology. A man named Maslow came up with a theory called the "hierarchy of motives." Basically it's a triangle with a number of human needs on it. Food and shelter fall into the bottom tier under physiological needs. The second level includes safety. The third and fourth tiers of the pyramid include love and self-esteem respectively. The theory is that you can't reach the higher tiers of the pyramid without first sustaining the lower levels. For example; you cannot get self-esteem if you don't have anything to eat or drink.

Knowing this little bit about psychology we can come up with some ideas. First it is a good assumption that most people in a survival situation will be trying to fulfill the first two levels of the pyramid, physiological needs and safety. These being food, water, shelter and a means of protecting themselves. Gold and silver do not provide any of these. Sure you could trade a Kruggerand for a chicken or even shelter IF someone was willing to trade. But shouldn't you have those things already? What about if your trading with people who are on the bottom two tiers of the pyramid? These people will not have a need for gold? They will have a need for other things. Let's look at a few.

Food is a hard, fast commodity. Everyone needs it and no one can get along without it. We can start by putting back some extra food. Put back staples such as rice, beans and wheat. Always trade your oldest stock of these first. Next, think about all the things that cooks need. This would include spices and seasonings, cooking oil, shortening, flavorings, baking soda, yeast, baking powder, salt, sugar, honey, among others. Spices have been traded for centuries and were one of the reasons for the discovery of America. With these you can trade with people like you who have stored food. A family who has been eating rice and beans continuously for six months would probably trade anything for another type of food or at least something to spice up the food they have. Dried fruits, canned nuts, chocolate chips, MRE desserts, granola bars and other items that would "spice up" regular food, even chewing gum, would all make good barter items.

You can also home grow your food barter items. Eggs, vegetables, fruits, rabbits and chickens are also possible. Plan on growing foods no one in your area grows to trade with. For example, about 15 miles from where I live is the potato capital of Florida. What if you went out there and tried to trade potatoes you have grown for something you need? You'd probably be laughed at. On the other hand if you arrived out there with sugar cane or wheat you would be in a powerful position to trade. If you are in an area where the majority of people already raise their own animals you can stock vet medicines. Put back wide-spectrum antibiotics such as Combiotic as well as syringes. People with animals will need medicines to keep them healthy. Veterinarian medicines can also be used on people. Talk about a dual purpose bartering item!

Animals themselves could also be traded. Again it should be noted that you should not trade the best of your stock. Keep these are breeders and treat them well. Rabbits are extremely prolific and would be great trade items. Same with chickens. Dogs will be worth there weight in gold. Remember the second tier of the pyramid- security. Those who have something will want dogs for security aspects. Isn't it funny that you would have to give away puppies of "mutts" today but in the future people might be willing to trade great items for them. Editor's note- American Survival guide edited part of this section where I discussed that your dogs could be a food source also, in a worst case situation. As the editor of ASG put it- "We can't have PETA protesting out front of our office." The point remains the same, dogs are also "dual use."

You should be noticing something in my recommendations. All of these items can be useful to you as well. Food you can eat, dogs can help protect you, etc.

Common items that are inexpensive now may very well be invaluable in the future. Look for goods that would be hard to make without the modern mass production manufacturing process. How could clothes be repaired without sewing needles? Ever try to make mosquito screen? How about motor oil? Examine common items you would need for long term survival and ask yourself a question. With a few simple hand tools could I make this item? Then ask yourself if there is a substitute for that item. Start thinking!

Food gathering materials would include snarewire, fishing line, hooks, split shot, floats, extra seeds, traps and basic hand tools for gardening. Use your head, don't buy 10 shovels, but 6 shovels and 4 extra handles. Insect sprays might be extremely helpful in controlling pests that spread diseases. Mason jars, extra lids and preservatives might also be useful for bartering. Shop around and get the best deals possible. During spring and early summer many Big lots discount stores sell vegetable seed packets for around $.10 cents each. No these are not non-hybrids but they will more than do for bartering. Be sure to try to get a discount if you buy items in quantity. I saved 1 cent per seed packet when I bought 726 packets.

Other items to consider: matches, batteries, pencils, rubbing alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, bleach (for water purification and disinfection), nails, screws, shoes or boots, socks, underwear and other types of clothing, aspirin, cord, mosquito screen, needles, thread, buttons and motor oil. All of these can be had for a couple of bucks and will trade for many tmes more in the future.

If you have a useful skill that can be a great bartering asset as well. Medical skills are the first to come to mind. Doctors, PA's, nurses and others medically trained will be in high demand. Other skills that may be useful include: dentists, herbalists and homeopaths, veterinarians, engineers and others with construction know how, mechanics, blacksmiths, gunsmithgs, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers! You will almost always be able to barter your skills for things you need.

The articles listed are mere recommendations and the opinions expresed in this article may not fall in with your specific beliefs. The article serves to offer a different- and lower cost- approach to the classic ideas of survival bartering. Sooner or later after the crash and economy of some sorts will begin to take shape. It wouldn't hurt to have some items put back to barter that would also be useful to you. Having a skill that will be a necessity after the crash will also be handy.


Editor's notes- 10 years have passed since I wrote this article but little has changed in my thinking regarding barter.

Little has also changed on my thinking regarding gold and silver for survival bartering. "Well chickens aren't that portable, you can't carry a pocketful of chickens to barter with." Granted. The assumption every one makes it that "sometime after the collapse some sort of normalcy will come back" and that people will start using gold and silver as a currency. Perhaps, but what's to say people will suddenly stop bartering? Is there truly enough gold and silver in PRIVATE HANDS to fund this "new currency?" Remember, we tend to think in OUR OWN PERSPECTIVE, i.e, as survivalists. Sheeple have no gold or silver stored. How many survivalists are there? How many other people storing gold and silver are out there? Honestly, there is more chance of paper dollars being used as a currency years after the collapse then gold and silver because there is more of it out there, the only thing is lacks is true value! More than likely, some form of barter will continue until some new form of currency (probably not dollars, gold or silver) will take hold.

The best idea i've heard of for use of gold and silver is for paying your property taxes during a long economic slide/ala "slow depression" type scenario.


I realize my view on gold and silver isn't popular and it has caused a lot of flak towards me from the "material" oriented survivalists. I honestly don't care to be popular, just to try to help you survive. As always, we welcome opposing opinions on these subjects.

July 9, 2008, 10:15 AM
The gubment ALWAYS wants you to evacuate. It's usually better to hunker down and ride it out. I'm not going anywhere.

Kind of hard to hunker down if you are 20 feet under water, or a 50 foot high cloud of chlorine gas is headed your way.

Rather than worrying about just how much ammo you plan to carry, why not give some thought to whether your current domicile really is a good place to hunker down. I am inclined to agree that many times shelter in place is a far better solution than running off to who knows where, but there are cases where taking off is a good idea.

July 9, 2008, 10:39 AM
ilbob - If water ever got up to where I live then it'd be quite a disaster. I live on a ridge that's 500ft above sea level.

July 9, 2008, 11:37 AM
well id stay put, either location where i live is small and rural enough that it wouldnt effect me too much, i would keep a shotgun or rifle closer by just in case but thats about it

July 9, 2008, 11:58 AM
Other than my bride and kids, whatever was on my person or in my vehicle. You 'gotta go, you gotta go'.

Most likely, we'd have stayed.

There is only one, that I am aware of, group of folks who can make do providing for their own welfare w/o internal combustion engines.

Even assuming an adequae disribution system, they wouldn't be able to feed the nation, and competition would be fierce for their product.

A fairy tale about the goose and the golden egg comes to mind.

Mostly though, in the long haul, I 'spect most of us would be SOL.


July 9, 2008, 03:21 PM
I am a little surprised that nobody has mentioned cigarettes as a comodity. Waaaay back in the day when I lived in Florida I took five cartons of cigarettes to a hurricane shelter during hurricane Elena ( 12.00 $ a carton) I sold the cigarettes for 5.00 $ a pack . 60.00$ investment 190.00 $ return.

Smokes went for 10.00$ a pack ( 13.00$ a carton at the PX) in Graf when I was in Germany.

July 9, 2008, 03:33 PM
I am a little surprised that nobody has mentioned cigarettes as a comodity
Thats actually a pretty darn good idea. Nicotine is a nasty addiction, so some people at least WILL pay a hefty price for them, even though we all know they should be the least of your concerns in SHTF. I knwo on the carrier in the Navy, often the ship's store would run out of all tobacco products, and people were sometimes paying $20 a pack, when they sold in the ship's store normally for only $3 a pack! Lots of people who werent smokers would bring a couple cartons of smokes and some cans of chew, nowing they could make hold out since they didnt use themselves, and make a tidy profit. I also know how desparate and nasty people could get afetr a few days without being allowed to smoke when the hanger bays were full of ordinance, and the smoking lamp was out for a few days until the onload/offload was complete. As soon as the smoking lamp went back on, the hanger had a line to the 1 smoking area that would wrap all the way around the full perimeter of all 2 or 3 (dpending on the carrier class) hanger bays, multiple times, waitng in line for HOURS to ge tto the front to smoke. Fights in line at those times were very common, and the MA's, armed, were usually out in force in the bays waithing for the inevitable. Sad, but true.

Smart thinking Treo. I had totally forgotten about that unique spectacle, and characteristic of serious smokers until you mentioned it. I'd say tobacco would be near the top of hot commodities, right with alcohol, and just behind food, guns, and ammo, but even above cash and gold.

July 9, 2008, 03:37 PM
July 6th, 2008, 05:01 PM #4
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I live in the country with plenty of crops,livestock and wild game around.So I am staying here.

Im going to HIS house.

Im bringing the BEER.

Corporal K
July 9, 2008, 03:38 PM
Wife, kids, .45, laptop, Jack Daniels

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