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Oleg Volk
July 6, 2008, 04:37 PM
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/25069-2/3ways4216.jpg

The original (http://olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/3ways4216.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1) is 10983x3456 pixels. Who wants to rent a billboard for it?

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Slotback
July 6, 2008, 04:42 PM
I can't afford a billboard, but boy I sure do like that one. Good work Mr. Volk (as always!)

La Pistoletta
July 6, 2008, 04:43 PM
She actually looks like she could put up a fight but still, good one.

Obviously I don't care whether someone can fight or not. The right to life doesn't only mean the right not to die, it means the right to be totally free from physical attacks.

JoseM
July 6, 2008, 04:49 PM
I was actually thinking the same thing La Pistoletta.... good idea, but a more "dainty" person would show a more ridiculous thought in the "fighting" option. No offense meant by any means...just "constructive criticism".

Picard
July 6, 2008, 05:15 PM
Eexcellent message but maybe choose a different model. That woman does look like she could beat someone up.

TexasSkyhawk
July 6, 2008, 05:19 PM
This retired chief creative officer opines that you need a different model.

Secondly, I wouldn't write it in the passive voice--use active.

"Your wife is attacked. Does she

Submit Fight Win


Jeff

theotherwaldo
July 6, 2008, 05:21 PM
Could I use this pattern to make bookmarks?

(I'm a librarian.)

Oleg Volk
July 6, 2008, 05:23 PM
Yes, certainly.

30 cal slob
July 6, 2008, 05:26 PM
That woman does look like she could beat someone up.

You owe me a new keyboard, lol.

Oleg - love it and will be pasting it all over the interblab.

siglite
July 6, 2008, 05:26 PM
She has the bruises of a kickboxer around the elbows. I've had those bruises in exactly the same spots on both arms.

psyopspec
July 6, 2008, 05:27 PM
I agree with getting a more petite model. Her top also looks like an Army T-shirt; might be better to have something more civilian looking since a Soldier is someone who's viewed as trained in unarmed fighting.

MikeJackmin
July 6, 2008, 05:34 PM
I like her. Nobody doubts that last photo - damn right she'll win.

Good role model for the young 'uns.

justin 561
July 6, 2008, 05:34 PM
Win Win Win!

Sistema1927
July 6, 2008, 05:39 PM
I know! I know! Is the correct answer win?

(I have to agree with some of the others, she looks like she could kick my butt.)

blackcash88
July 6, 2008, 06:03 PM
She looks like she was already attacked with all the bruises on her arms.

Seriously, if my wife looked like that, I'd turn the gun on myself.

revjen45
July 6, 2008, 06:10 PM
That's Nikki Fellenzer, right? Whether she were armed or not, I would not wish to be the bozo to attack her. Those probably are Martial arts bruises, and it would be quite the surprise to the attacking scumbag to have his sack smashed with a forward kick, followed by a magazine full of sucking chest wounds.

telkontar
July 6, 2008, 07:15 PM
The expressions and poses are perfect.
Any particular reason to address it to husbands?
It might be a little wordy for a billboard (shorter is usually better):

When attacked choose:
Submit Fight Win

guntotinguy
July 6, 2008, 07:21 PM
Good choice on the pics and meanings...

The Unknown User
July 6, 2008, 07:25 PM
I like it, but I can't help but think the message would be clearer with a female model who looks less able to fend for herself.

Oleg Volk
July 6, 2008, 07:25 PM
Any particular reason to address it to husbands?

Trying to target all market segments.

RONSTAR
July 6, 2008, 07:56 PM
Those probably are Martial arts bruises, and it would be quite the surprise to the attacking scumbag to have his sack smashed with a forward kick, followed by a magazine full of sucking chest wounds.
Yes indeed that would for sure wreck someones whole day.

scrat
July 6, 2008, 08:42 PM
i like it keep it up.

Jdude
July 6, 2008, 09:22 PM
Double

Jdude
July 6, 2008, 09:24 PM
The model indeed looks like she would kick me right in the :what:, and win any fight I picked. I think that the same model would do fine, if her fight stance indicated "I have not a clue how to hit you" and she was wearing some sort of flowery 'mom' shirt.

Otherwise, I love it.

TexasSkyhawk
July 6, 2008, 09:47 PM
Quote:
Any particular reason to address it to husbands?
Trying to target all market segments.

Agree, but for a different reason.

Protection in our society is seen as the man's role. More women are skittish with guns than men. If man/husband wants wife to have a gun, the woman/wife will be more accepting of it rather than feeling she has to "spring it" on her husband that she bought a gun.

The message would also tell wives that there are husbands thinking of them, as well as telling husbands to step up, be a man, quit taking their leaks sitting down, and start DOING SOMETHING about their wife's well-being and safety.

Jeff

peacenik
July 6, 2008, 10:38 PM
... in the background.

bogie
July 6, 2008, 11:59 PM
If someone will provide the space, in a high-traffic area, I can figure out a way to make it get printed.

So, persuade me about the high traffic area.

(Oleg, it -NEEDS- the website www.a-human-right.com on it)

bogie
July 7, 2008, 12:02 AM
TexasSkyhawk

This retired chief creative officer opines that you need a different model.

Secondly, I wouldn't write it in the passive voice--use active.

"Your wife is attacked. Does she

Submit Fight Win

Oleg speaks "American" by way of Russia - Some of us keep beating him up over his phrasing...

RancidSumo
July 7, 2008, 12:22 AM
High traffic area- I-80

3KillerBs
July 7, 2008, 08:37 PM
I agree on a different model -- someone who looks like a soft, vulnerable target. Not necessarily prettier, but, as much as I respect the farm women I've known, someone who doesn't look like she can carry a bale of hay in one hand and a 50lb bag of feed in the other.

Or, maybe, dress her up a little in something flowery or pink. Even the most competent of us ladies look soft in pink and flowers.

:-)

Dragonmom
July 7, 2008, 08:57 PM
I think it is a cool idea. Yeah maybe make her a little more girly. Pink or a dress or something. Of course I know how it is I hate dressing in pink and dresses. She does look like one tough woman!

FieroCDSP
July 7, 2008, 08:57 PM
Another good one. Personally, I think the bruises make her look like the victim of a domestic assault, but that's to my untrained eye. She's got the plain look: Could be anyone's mother, wife, or sister.

About the only thing I could add is to recommend trying it out with commas after "Submit" and "Fight", and a smaller font "or" before "Win". "Submit, Fight, or Win" The "Or" adds a bit of finality to the decision. "You can only choose one, which is it?" is the kinda idea being conveyed. My idea might screw with the framing, though, but I thought I'd mention it. Even if it's just the "Or" added, it would give it more punch.

Maybe get with a State pro-2A group, like buckeyefirearms.org to run a fund-raiser or front the cost for a billboard. That billboard posted on I-90, I-76/77, and maybe I-71 near Columbus would certainly get attention.
I think a church once put one that said "Real Men don't need Porn" on I-71 less than 500ft from an Adult shop, and after the controversy and threats regarding injuring profits, the board stayed up and almost everyone in Ohio had seen it. Maybe it was another freeway, but the thing did exist and was memorable.

Brian Dale
July 8, 2008, 09:39 PM
Oleg speaks "American" by way of Russia - Some of us keep beating him up over his phrasing...Oleg's a competent adult who plays in the Big Leagues. He's always been receptive to suggestions for phrasing, style and word choice beyond his original captions, as far as I've seen.

Sometimes his response is "Sure; I'll use that. Thanks;" and sometimes it's "I think that I'll keep the original wording; thanks," but I haven't seen any suggestion from Oleg that he objects to members trying to help fine-tune the posters that he puts up for his guests at THR to review.

We could ask him: hey, Oleg? What's your preference?

{"Beating him up?" He could probably kick my butt.}

Oleg Volk
July 8, 2008, 09:44 PM
What's your preference?

Plenty of feedback. I don't get upset at people for being helpful.

I have to fit these posters in between freelance work and a day job with an 80 mile commute. So it may take time to implement the feedback.


{"Beating him up?" He could probably kick my butt.}

Nah, too much work, and I am lazy.

Wheeler44
July 8, 2008, 10:16 PM
Oleg, you are awesome. I wouldn't change anything.
It speaks to the common person in a way that no "super model" can. In my mind even if that woman could fight her way out, should she have to? Plenty of women are "tougher' than most guys are able to acknowledge.

Oleg Volk
July 8, 2008, 10:26 PM
Another version -- less specific and more terse.

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/25078-2/3ways4216-2.jpg

neviander
July 8, 2008, 10:54 PM
job with an 80 mile commute
That's not one way, is it?

lee n. field
July 8, 2008, 11:02 PM
Eexcellent message but maybe choose a different model. That woman does look like she could beat someone up.

I disagree. Not all models should be pretty young things.

Oleg Volk
July 8, 2008, 11:20 PM
job with an 80 mile commute
That's not one way, is it?

Each way :(

justin 561
July 8, 2008, 11:27 PM
What is with the bruises all over her arms?

GigaBuist
July 8, 2008, 11:32 PM
I like the layout of the first one more. It's more severe and keeps the individual words tightly tied to the image.

Oh, and I'd 'shop out the bruises. As somebody else already said it makes her look like a domestic abuse victim.

kludge
July 8, 2008, 11:34 PM
I like the first one better.

Grammer: If you wife were attacked...

I think the model choice is a good one. Not everyone is married to a dainty 20 year old blond. The woman in the picture, like my wife, has a great deal to lose.

bogie
July 8, 2008, 11:49 PM
Oleg, see if there's a spare area in the BOC or something...

Oleg's no fun to beat up - he just points something between your eyes, and tells you to go fetch.

It needs www.a-human-right.com on it.

High traffic area- I-80

Rancidsumo - do you have a sign? How big is it? Like I said, I can handle the printing if someone can find a good location.

Brian Dale
July 9, 2008, 12:03 AM
That one sings, Oleg. It needs www.a-human-right.com on it.Second that.

blackcash88
July 9, 2008, 11:34 AM
Grammer: If you wife were attacked...

Spelling? :rolleyes:

bogie
July 31, 2008, 12:41 PM
The second version is now available on a shirt.

the naked prophet
July 31, 2008, 01:25 PM
I like the second version better. The less words, the better.

I like the model too. We don't need to send the message that only teenage models can/should/are worthy to defend themselves.

As for the bruises, maybe she's already been struggling? Maybe she's just dirty from rolling around on the ground with the bad guy? Who knows, but it doesn't detract from the poster.

Poper
July 31, 2008, 01:34 PM
Oleg:

This would make a great NRA promotional billboard!

JM2C

Poper

ctdonath
July 31, 2008, 01:52 PM
Billboards are available for $500/mo on GA316 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=GA-316,+Georgia,+United+States&mrt=all&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=43.294656,94.570313&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,33.953380,-83.769520&ll=33.960447,-83.780365&spn=0.88389,1.230469&t=h&z=10&iwloc=addr), a reasonably busy 4-lane divided highway between Atlanta and Athens GA. Lots of people make the 1-hour drive each way, and would certainly notice the sign.

MakAttak
July 31, 2008, 01:54 PM
bogie-

Given the recent posts about the signs being donated in Philadelphia, perhaps that might be a good location to counter?

But no, I don't have a sign...

siglite
July 31, 2008, 01:57 PM
thumbs up to the second one. Much better.

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