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jr45
July 6, 2008, 06:39 PM
I am in the market for a gun safe and with limited funds and available spacing issues, I ran across two brands of safes that may meet my needs. One is a stack-on 24 gun and the other is a Sentry 22 gun. Both are about the same price with similar features (5 bolts, fire resistant, etc)...which would you recommend?

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psyopspec
July 6, 2008, 06:42 PM
Not an expert, but I've had no issues with my Stack-on. From what I know, both are quality brands.

CB900F
July 6, 2008, 10:52 PM
Jr45;

Whichever one has the features you want at the lower price is the one to get. There is no substantial protection difference between them. Might want to see if Sam's Club/Wally World has a Winchester in stock that you can compare to them. I don't know how the price will match, but the Winchester's made by Granite in Texas.

900F

a1abdj
July 6, 2008, 11:45 PM
I would wager that the Stack On and Sentry are going to be almost identical if not the exact same safe with different labels attached.

I don't know how the price will match, but the Winchester's made by Granite in Texas.


It seems that Granite has finally gone the road everybody else in the sub $1,000 market has gone.

Upon delivering a Granite labeled as a Red Head for Bass Pro the other day, the sticker said "Made In China".

Hunter0924
July 7, 2008, 02:47 AM
Liberty makes a nice safes at a reasonable costs.

CB900F
July 7, 2008, 02:49 AM
A1abdj;

I'm sorry to hear that about Granite. IMHO Liberty is a triumph of marketing over reality.

900F

Ala Dan
July 7, 2008, 11:09 AM
With all due respect to our safe experts, I have been very happy with my
Liberty Colonial Series RSC; as it has served every purpose that I bought
it for~! :scrutiny: ;)

Walkalong
July 7, 2008, 11:55 AM
The newer Liberty safes do not match up to the older ones IMHO. My old one has a 1/4" steel door. Check out the newer ones.

Are they a real "Safe"? Nope, but pretty good protection. Much better than keeping them in the closet.


ROLL TIDE - If we can keep enough out of jail, we'll be pretty good. ;)

ilbob
July 7, 2008, 12:25 PM
Instead of focusing on price or features, try thinking about what you want out of your safe. Once you decide that, you can try and reconcile your desires with your wallet.

I am not convinced that the sheet metal locker style of gun safe KMart used to sell for $89 a few years ago is not as good a choice for a lot of people as the $300-400 units you can now get that are a little thicker. Metal is expensive these days.

To keep curious kids and casual thieves away from your guns, you don't need much metal. A determined thief won't be stopped for long by anything short of a real serious and very expensive safe.

jr45
July 7, 2008, 12:59 PM
I want the safe to deter the typical thief (several break-ins in my neighborhood by teens). I currently use those cheaper Stack-on cabinets and I am certain it can be breached with a large screw driver very quickly and therefore not much of a deterrent to any thief. Due to cost and size limitations, I am trying to get the most bang out of the buck. I even considered wrapping the existing cabinets with chains and padlocks.

Nacho Libre
July 7, 2008, 01:29 PM
I have Liberty and have no problem with it.

ilbob
July 7, 2008, 03:53 PM
I have Liberty and have no problem with it.

I have not had any problem with my cannon safe either. Or any of the 3 cheapo safes I have.

But AFAIK, no one has tried breaking into any of them either.

a1abdj
July 7, 2008, 04:08 PM
But AFAIK, no one has tried breaking into any of them either

People learn how good their safes are the same way they learn how good the airbags in their car are.

Mainsail
July 7, 2008, 06:47 PM
Hereís my humble and uninformed opinion.

First ask yourself what you have that needs protecting; standard available firearms or family heirlooms. If itís the former, you donít need to spend nearly as much as you will if itís the latter. Your homeownerís or renterís insurance should cover the replacement of your common firearms if they are lost due to theft or fire, so all you really need is something that will deter the common thief and keep the kidís grubby mitts off them. If you own firearms that would be difficult or impossible to replace- and you wanted to replace them- now you need to start looking for a high-end RSC or full blown safe.

Stebalo
July 7, 2008, 11:36 PM
I've been looking at Cannon safes, mainly because the May issue of America's 1st Freedom (NRA magazine) had a very laudatory article.

Just saw today that Costco.com has one on sale:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BC&topnav=&prodid=11280618&ec=BC-EC877-CatHome&pos=10&lang=en-US

Made in America, product is warrantied for the life of the product. If you have a fire, they will send a technician, drill out the safe, haul it away, and give you a new one. I don't know much about safes or how this compares to the competition but the NRA was raving about them. Best advertising money can buy....?

Stebalo
July 8, 2008, 12:30 AM
Here is some food for thought:

http://www.sturdysafe.com/gaugethicknesswar.htm

Better consider if you are more concerned about fire protection or theft prevention.

a1abdj
July 8, 2008, 12:51 AM
Made in America

I question this, and it's not just a Cannon thing. I think some of these safes are Chinese, and I think others are Chinese and shipped without a lock. Final assembly done in the US, and all of a sudden it's a US product.

is warrantied for the life of the product.

If you search around here, there was a member who had a warranty claim when his safe malfunctioned. I think it took them a while to honor their warranty, and they specifcally told him to quit calling because they were too busy.

If you have a fire, they will send a technician, drill out the safe, haul it away, and give you a new one.

So will your homeowners insurance.

the NRA was raving about them.

What makes them safe experts?

http://www.sturdysafe.com/gaugethicknesswar.htm

Better consider if you are more concerned about fire protection or theft prevention.

If you are really concerned about fire and theft protection, you wouldn't be looking at gun safes. If you did need a gun safe that offered that type of protection there's only two companies that build anything worth considering:

AMSEC's BF series is nice, but the RF6528 is THE gun safe, period. The RF6528 is the only safe on the market to carry a real UL burglary rating. Graffunder also builds real safes in a gun safe package.

esmith
July 8, 2008, 12:56 AM
It depends on what you want to be safe. If you are guarding a bunch of mosins a stack on would be fine. If you are guarding a bunch of ARs and expensive rifles you might want something better. Liberty is a good brand. If you want ultimate protection, get a graffunder. You could drop a nuke on those and it would still stand its ground. They're expensive though.

blkbrd666
July 8, 2008, 12:59 AM
I think the SexySafe, I mean SturdySafe, would be ABSOLUTELY theft-proof...if the girl was standing on the "other" side of the room during an attempted robbery.

Stebalo
July 9, 2008, 05:38 PM
After reading up on safes more, I feel foolish trusting the NRA's recommendation. I trusted it because it doesn't say "special advertising section" but is basically what it was. Sturdy Safe looks like good quality stuff but I haven't seen pricing. Was rewatching Jericho last night and saw that Hawkins has a Sturdy Safe in his secret lair. AmSec is the way to go if you have limitless funds and priceless artifacts to store. Like "bulletproof", the adjectives "fireproof" and "theftproof" are relative terms and the degree of proofing is proportional to the amount of $$$ you have or are willing to pay.

ilbob
July 9, 2008, 05:52 PM
I feel foolish trusting the NRA's recommendation. I don't think it is a bad suggestion, it just may not be optimum for what you are trying to accomplish.

Keep in mind that when magazine writers do research on this kind of thing, they don't know much about it so they rely heavily on vendor input.

CB900F
July 10, 2008, 12:11 AM
Fella's;

For those who wish to further their education I'll suggest checking out www.graffundersafes.com. I'm a dealer for Graffunder, and they are real safes not a sheet metal box marketed as a "safe". No, they aren't priced like an RSC, but they don't protect like an RSC either. YGWYPF.

900F

Poor East Texan
July 10, 2008, 12:23 AM
I'm a pretty decent welder and I made my "safe" several years ago.

It has a 3/16 angle frame with 1/4 skin. It has elaborate door/box meet area to stop simple prying and a lock cover that takes some doing to install and remove the 3/8 shank Master (until I can get another American like I had)

None of the stuff is non-replaceable.... but I'd hate to loose them to kids!

BAT1
July 10, 2008, 12:38 AM
I'm with PET, and I'll tell you why. Most safes are electronic or digital now being made. During certain conditions, an EMP pulse from authorities or attackers would fry the unguarded chip making the safe locked and useless. Same with your burglar alarm. I want a fake furr down in the attic made of 8 guage steel and some of those circular locks you use at the storage units. Faraday boxes will work if grounded. some thing to consider.

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