Cz P01 Vs Pcr


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SureThing
July 6, 2008, 09:50 PM
Are these the same gun, but with out the rail? The reason I ask is CZ P01 had some changes the other CZ's don't. Such as the follow :


- A forged aircraft grade aluminum alloy frame
-- Re-contoured trigger for smoother, consistent trigger pulls

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Average Joe
July 6, 2008, 09:52 PM
Yes they are the same.

SureThing
July 6, 2008, 10:03 PM
Any issues with the alloy frame, is it as good as the cast steel frame of the others?

GZOh
July 6, 2008, 10:30 PM
Size/dimension wise they are basically identical guns (think the P-01 is an oz. or so heavier)... Regarding looks, the P-01 like the SP-01, has that 'squared-barrel' look, where the PCR has a 'mini' 75B look...
Shooting these guns, recoil is similar, however I feel that the P-01 (which I own) was MORE ACCURATE for ME!!!
If you're looking to buy one, the P-01 is CZs newest 'state-of-the-art' service pistol which has passed all of the rigorous NATO testing. For me, the P-01 has a perfect 'hand-fit' and is one of the most accurate pistols I have shot. I think the guns are very similar, and in the end, it's YOUR preference for looks and feel... either one is a great choice!

rellascout
July 6, 2008, 10:31 PM
Sights are also different.

I find the P01 more refined. I am not sure why but I do.

In the end they are about the same thickness in the slide and conceal the same so the light rail is a bonus? Maybe for some in the end get the one you can secure the cheapest. Normally that is the PCR.

grimjaw
July 6, 2008, 10:37 PM
Different rear sight and PCR has a loaded chamber indicator.

http://grimjaw.net/temp/czvscz_5989.jpg

Different rear slide serrations, different slide stop.

http://grimjaw.net/temp/czvscz_5990.jpg

P01 has a cutout around the slide stop on the opposite side, and it doesn't protrude as much as the PCR.

http://grimjaw.net/temp/czvscz_5991.jpg

The model number engraving on my P01 is crudely done compare to the PCR. The backstraps looks the same to me.

jm

phrozenlikwid
July 6, 2008, 11:05 PM
Does the PCR have the same updated backstrap as the P01?

I've never handled a PCR......

armoredman
July 6, 2008, 11:38 PM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/PCRPO1.jpg

PCR has Novak style sights, cast alloy frame, and no rail. P01 has forged alloy frame, M3 rail, and standard CZ sights. Realistic differances? Zero. Have both, like both, carry the P01 because it shoots slightly better for me.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/CZfamily.jpg

armoredman
July 7, 2008, 02:06 AM
Nice pictures, grimjaw!

SureThing
July 8, 2008, 07:09 PM
Are we sure the PCR has a cast frame? Would seem to me that it would be forged. Can anyone verify this?

Also it is strage they 2 people said the P01 shot better for them.

DirksterG30
July 8, 2008, 07:27 PM
Also it is strage they 2 people said the P01 shot better for them.
Make that 3. I think I do better with the P-01 because it seems to be more muzzle-heavy than the PCR.

burningsquirrels
July 8, 2008, 07:28 PM
armoredman,

thanks for the info. i was thinking of goign with either the compact (looks thinner) or the RAMI (just like a mini 40b, lol). which of the two are thinner? i think i already can see the PCR being slimmer around the muzzle, which may be more comfortable around the thigh for IWB carry. what do you think?

seed
July 8, 2008, 07:51 PM
Grimjaw, could it be that the PCR is a later version? I don't know, but it seems like the PCR you show has design differences which were changed/added and are more in tune with today's current design trends (like them or not).

grimjaw
July 8, 2008, 08:04 PM
seed, I don't know. I have no use for an LCI, since I'd check the chamber regardless.

My groups with both pistols are about the same.

jm

armoredman
July 8, 2008, 08:13 PM
The PCR and P01 carry the same, when I am using the old Bianchi rig. :) I never noticed any differance with the width of the muzzle being an issue. I also agree the slightly greater weight at the muzzle did seem keep itdown just a tiny bit better, but then again, a PCR I had a few years ago gave this two hand standing group.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/czprc120906.jpg

How's that for muddying the waters? :) Yes, the taped holes were a previous group. :D

Yes, the PCR has had some subtle additions, like the LCI - my original did not have one, but my wife's '07 does.

burningsquirrels
July 8, 2008, 08:22 PM
thanks for the info. how is the size compared to the RAMI in terms of width? my only real gripe to the xd9sc is the width, which is why also have a kahr pm9 on my gun-to-ccw list.

it just sucks gun stores almost never have CZs in stock. if any, it's a beat 75b. :( i really want to see these in person.

if i was to get a P-01... it'd actually be a P-06, though i haven't done much research yet. after buying reloading equipment and stepping up involvement with uspsa, i don't have much room for adding a new carry yet unfortunately... and i already want to pick up some more 40b's (plural) before they're all gone. i'll keep carrying my xd9sc until then. hey, as long as it doesn't print and goes bang every time, right? :)

borntwice
July 11, 2008, 02:59 AM
I own a P-01, and I can tell you it is VERY accurate. I have never fired a PCR, but the P-01 is a 'winner' in every way I can think of. It fits excellently in the hand, it is inherently accurate, it is reliable, and it just 'works'. I am a CZ 'fanboi'. LOL.

Pilot
July 11, 2008, 03:49 AM
My PCR is as accurate as my full size 75B. I find the rail on the P-01 ludicrous for a carry gun. I prefer the Novak sights on the PCR also.

Wesson Smith
July 11, 2008, 04:16 AM
The P-01 is my favorite out of all of my 9's and I own seven, each by a different manufacturer. As others have mentioned, it has just the right grip design for my hand. The most important thing is that I am consistent with it, time after time. Really instills confidence. It also carrys right nicely and snug in an OWB Galco Concealable. Just a great gun, IMO.

NG VI
July 11, 2008, 10:58 AM
P01 has a cutout around the slide stop on the opposite side, and it doesn't protrude as much as the PCR.




That is ridiculous, I hate the slide stop sticking way out on my PCR, it is the only thing I look at and sigh about. The rest of the gun is exactly what I want, but every time I see that silde stop button sticking way out from the frame I ask myself why it couldn't have been made like my USP. Would a slide stop from a P01 fit the PCR? it would probably require a tool to push out but the PCR already needs a magazine base to work.

grimjaw
July 11, 2008, 01:06 PM
Would a slide stop from a P01 fit the PCR?

I think the reverse is true, see this article: http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com/topic/16305

I can try it later and see.

jm

NG VI
July 11, 2008, 03:11 PM
That'd be great grimjaw, I have been mulling over the idea of grinding the end of the slide stop until it is close to flush. I have a Sig 229/228 holster that fits the PCR decently well (should have got the same thing but for the 239) except that the plate the belt clip is attached to interacts very poorly with the slide stop end.

NG VI
July 12, 2008, 09:27 PM
Bump!!!!!!!!!

redarmy67
March 10, 2010, 09:06 PM
I am going to order a CZ PCR or a CZ P-01. Here is my problem. I can't decide. As far a looks they are about equal. I kinda lean towards the P-01. I wont CC it daily but would like to carry in my car during day and store at night in safe.

It is my understanding that the p-01 is forged alloy and the PCR is not. I read that this would make the P-01 more durable in the long run. I don't plan on putting anything but 115 gr range bullets and occasionally 124 JHP. I dont see myself putting more than 50 to 100 rounds per month through the gun. Is durability a factor?

If not, I will probably go PCR and order it with custom CZ wood grips and night sights. The fact that the end of muzzle is thinner also appeals to me.

Anybody own both? If so are the basically the same gun except the rail?:D

The Lone Haranguer
March 10, 2010, 09:32 PM
This post (http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6344391&postcount=6) has a side-by-side comparison photo.

redarmy67
March 10, 2010, 09:52 PM
in the first photo, it appears that the PCR has some kind of chambered round indicator and the P-01 doesnt. In the 3rd photo, it appears that the p-01 has a recessed button (not sure what this does) The same button for the PCR seems to pretrude from the side of the gun? I am guessing this isnt a big deal?

armoredman
March 10, 2010, 09:57 PM
That "button", is the slide stop, where you depress it for disassembly. No, no big deal. Yes, the PCR has a LCR, the P01 does not.

leadcounsel
September 13, 2010, 06:47 PM
What about a CZ 75 D Compact 9x19 model. Shape of a P01, but it says it's a 75D compact...

Anyone seen/heard of it?

Edit- in my research I learned these were imported from Europe last year to meet the spike in demand for firearms.

viking499
September 13, 2010, 06:50 PM
Is that the European version of the PO1?

flanker08
September 13, 2010, 07:01 PM
It's the same gun. Look and the pictures above and read the slides. I believe that Top Gun Supply sold a bunch of "P-01's" with these markings as they were from Europe. Both my P-01 and PCR are marked the same. Buy it.

Jed Carter
September 14, 2010, 05:57 AM
If I could only have 1 CZ it would be the PCR, I do own only 1 CZ and it is the PCR. I do like the loaded chamber indicator and sights, but I would have bought the P01 if they did not have a PCR. Really glad I have the CZ 75D PCR, it is my daily carry pistol, good enough to trust, not good enough to want another CZ pistol.

viking499
September 14, 2010, 07:12 AM
not good enough to want another CZ pistol.

Why do you say that?

foolsgold80z
September 14, 2010, 05:05 PM
I have a PCR that is my everyday carry gun. I really like it. I also have a mint 1980's Tanfoglio TZ-75 full sized clone. I will probably buy another Tanfoglio/EAA or CZ in .40 or .45 for range use. The CZ design is definitely my favorite design to shoot. There are other guns ( Berettas 84 and Browning BDA or Beretta 92 ) that I find to be sexier in appearance, but none so far that I prefer in my hand doing business.

dairycreek
September 14, 2010, 05:29 PM
Anybody own both? If so are the basically the same gun except the rail

I do own and shoot both and find little difference between them. However, having written that, I opt to carry the PCR as my EDC weapon because I find the rail on the P-01 to be a bit bulky for my taste.

Both are quality pieces.

viking499
September 14, 2010, 11:09 PM
I also own both. PCR is an IWB gun and the P01 is OWB. At least on me...........

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