Shooting at water on Youtube?


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glocksrfugly
July 7, 2008, 06:30 PM
Can anyone tell me why there are so many videos on Youtube of people shooting rifles/shotguns/handguns into ponds and rivers. I don't see the point of this as they are not aiming at specific targets. Seems like such a waste of ammo; not to mention the safety issue of possible riccochets off of the water's surface.:confused:

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Shung
July 7, 2008, 06:37 PM
I guess because its fun to see the impact effet.. you actually see the "power" of what you are firing.

I agree.. it can be dangerous, and its pretty useless... but hell, if they like it, im not paying for their ammo.

exar
July 7, 2008, 06:38 PM
Ahhh...I see you may not be real well verse in the way's of "redneck shooting". Most of us in the country know about the ballistic effects of bullets skipping off water but there does seem to be an inordinate amount of people who don't. I have noticed that a few situations result in water being shot.
1. The shooter is unaware of bullets skipping.
2. We know there is nothing around for miles and do it anyways just cus'.
3. Sometimes people throw all kinds of junk in old stripper pits and some shooters find these to be irresistable targets.
4. Some people really like to shoot live targets such as fish and turtles or what not.

All of the above probably involve alcohol or some form of immediately impaired judgement.

DoubleTapDrew
July 7, 2008, 06:58 PM
The same reason people do cannonballs into pools/lakes or shoot reactive targets. Make a splash, visual impact.
As long as the 4 rules are followed (#4 is especially important in that situation) I don't have a problem with it. Probably quite a bit safter than shooting propane tanks.

Dysfunctional Individual
July 7, 2008, 09:58 PM
Some people apparently need a demonstration:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008008815_webcampshooting20m.html


Bullets whiz past campers

By John Branton

The Columbian

Campers on the north shore of Yale Reservoir hid behind cars to avoid incoming bullets and frantically called 911 last weekend after a Vancouver man standing on the Clark County side of the lake allegedly fired three guns toward them.

"We were just getting ready to go to bed when we heard the first shots," said Brad Burnett, a Vancouver, Wash., man who was at popular Beaver Bay Campground with friends and family members, including children.

The shots began about 12:30 a.m. last Saturday, Burnett said, and continued on and off through the night into the campground along Lewis River Road east of Cougar. He said the campground was nearly full; he estimated that at least 100 people were there.

"It was about 9:30 a.m. when it started getting really ugly," Burnett said. "We started hearing bullets whizzing over the trees over our heads and hitting the trees."

That's when campers started calling 911, according to a Clark County Sheriff's Office report.

Deputy James Payne said he rushed to the scene and was flagged down by campers.

"As I drove in, I was contacted by about 20 people who were frantic and told me someone had been shooting from across the lake and the rounds were hitting in the trees above their tents and on the ground in front of the campsites," Payne said in the report.

He added: "Some people stated that they climbed behind vehicles and under things to stay out of the line of fire."

Standing on the shore and looking toward where campers said the bullets were coming from, Payne said, he heard more shots. He said he looked across the lake and saw someone standing on the Clark County shore near a blue-and-yellow tent.

Payne said he knew there was only one forest road to where the person was. He radioed for backup, waited until Deputy Dave Tendler arrived and they cautiously approached the person's area.

When the deputies arrived, they asked who'd been shooting and 25-year-old Jacob Michael Johnson stepped forward and said he had, the report said.

According to the report, Johnson said he'd been firing three guns: an AK-47 assault-style rifle, a .357 Magnum revolver and a .45-caliber semi-automatic pistol.


Johnson told the officers he'd been shooting at the water and at a small island directly between his campsite and the campground, the report said.

Told that his bullets were ricocheting off the water into the campground, Johnson said he didn't know bullets could do that, the report said.

Johnson was arrested and booked into the Clark County Jail on suspicion of five counts of misdemeanor reckless endangerment, the report said.

Reached by telephone Thursday evening, Johnson said "the whole shooting into the campground is just speculation."

He added: "It didn't happen. I wasn't shooting into the campground."

He declined to speak further.

Deputies seized the three guns and some ammunition as evidence.

Deputy Payne, a U.S. Army veteran and now a firearms instructor, said rifle bullets can travel well over a mile. He said they can ricochet off water and continue for great distances.

Using a laser device, Payne said, he measured the distance between Johnson and the campground at 1,530 feet, less than the maximum range of the rifle and even the handguns.

Back at Beaver Bay, Payne spoke to campers who said they'd looked through binoculars during the fusillade and saw a man holding a gun.

"They could see the splashes in the water" as the bullets zipped over their heads, Payne said.

"They yelled across the water for them to stop shooting, to no avail," Payne said.

During the night as the bullets flew, camper Burnett said there was a light breeze and the moon was out at times.

"We go camping to relax and spend some time with family and friends," Burnett said. "I'm hoping it'll be a one-time occurrence, because Beaver Bay is a real nice campground."

Copyright 2008 The Seattle Times Company

kingjoey
July 8, 2008, 12:48 AM
Another idiot making things tough for the rest of us. You can bet that the MMM-types will site this incident repeatedly to try to pass more strigent laws in WA :( The police should have done us all a favor and tied a couple bricks to this idiot and tossed him in the lake

Macpherson
July 8, 2008, 01:57 AM
While I'm glad no one was hurt, give the guy a break, if he didn't know bullets could do that, in his eyes he was just shooting at water, not a campground. Some people just don't know better, but that doesn't mean they don't have rights like the rest of us. Heck I've shot at water before, it's quite fun seeing the big splash and can be a whole lot MORE fun than shooting boring holes in paper.

kingjoey
July 8, 2008, 02:04 AM
While I'm glad no one was hurt, give the guy a break, if he didn't know bullets could do that, in his eyes he was just shooting at water, not a campground. Some people just don't know better, but that doesn't mean they don't have rights like the rest of us. Heck I've shot at water before, it's quite fun seeing the big splash and can be a whole lot MORE fun than shooting boring holes in paper.


The guy failed several basics of firearms safety and was too stupid to be shooting a gun. Ignorance is not an excuse for endangerment. The guy probably didn't have enough brain cells between his ears to realize that the bullets go further than what he's pointing at. These are the same idiots that fire guns into the air and other such acts of stupidity. If the distance was only 1500 ft (500yds) between the shooter and the campsite, then he had, at best, an unknown backstop he was firing into. I would suspect if he pulled his head out of his southern orifice for a second he could have clearly seen the cars and campers at that distance. It's not like this guy was a mile or so away where he couldn't see, he was really close and just plain stupid.

Matt G
July 8, 2008, 02:05 AM
Give the guy a break? I certainly will not.

The only difference between what he did and negligent homicide/involuntary manslaughter is that no one got hit and killed.

We are responsible for every shot we take.

We need to know our target and what lies beyond it. I.E.: where will the bullets come to rest?

The charge is a misdemeanor, and he got of rather easily, IMHO.

Trust me-- I was mighty furious at the cops that killed the kid while shooting at a snake last year, too. Inexcusable.

justin 561
July 8, 2008, 02:10 AM
Perhaps they can't swim, so they take their anger out on the pond.
Maybe thats how they fish?

Pat-inCO
July 8, 2008, 02:24 AM
I've shot extensively into ponds and streams. But then again, it was with a BB gun and at water skippers. :neener:

longdayjake
July 8, 2008, 02:31 AM
Just like anything you shoot at if you hit it at the right angle it will either penetrate or ricochet. I have tried several angles of shooting to find out which ones will bounce off. It takes a pretty steep angle to make them penetrate water. I would suggest not shooting at water unless you plan on getting wet. If you are not close enough to the water or way up high on a cliff then you are shooting at too flat of an angle and the bullets will go who knows where.

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