brazilian gun rights struggle


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jakk280rem
July 7, 2008, 10:42 PM
Heard this today on the radio. Very good, impartial look at gun rights abroad. It's only 3;30 long, give it a listen. http://www.theworld.org/?q=node/19251 .

Couple of interesting points:

Brazil has some of the most resrictive laws in the world, yet more people die there from gsw's than in america.

There are aproximatly 300 million people in the U.S. and only 188 million in Brazil.

Rio de Janeiro, a gun free "safe" zone is a global murder rate leader.

Gun owners in Brazil are only allowed to buy 50 rounds of ammo a year.

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RP88
July 7, 2008, 10:49 PM
at least they can own guns in some sort of way... Most other countries are either very elitist with their gun laws, or ban all guns and weapons outright.

jakk280rem
July 8, 2008, 12:46 AM
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Yes please, lets get back on topic.

I started this thread as a discussion of the global fight to rkba. whats happening in brazil is frighteningly simular to whats happening here.

H088
July 8, 2008, 03:20 AM
The Culture of Freedom I was referring to was in regards to people and fire-arms, not the other issues you brought up.

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ArfinGreebly
July 8, 2008, 03:20 AM
. . . I just be wipin' up some of this spilled off-topic crud that's all over the floor . . .

Next fool that posts anything in this thread that refers to race is gonna get slapped.

If your post is no longer to be seen above, it's because I removed all the off-topic crap.

The topic is gun rights in Brazil.

Gun rights.

Keep your eye on the ball.

Y'all are gonna make me downright irritable.

Girodin
July 8, 2008, 03:23 AM
Thank heaven a mod finaly got here

Tomahawk674
July 8, 2008, 10:41 AM
Hypothetically speaking, wouldn't a society with a large percentage of armed citizens work well to fend off crime? that is of course with other means of help as police and social programs to prevent poverty, which in turn creates crime...

Are there any statistics that may back up my theory? I've never done research.

Zoogster
July 8, 2008, 04:11 PM
Brazil gun laws are extremely restrictive.

Essentialy what they did was ban most calibers they felt would be able to pose a threat to the government.
The law essentialy limits firearms to pistol rounds, and long arms to pistol energies.

Yet much of the deaths in the nation are actualy caused by assault rifles, ARs and AKs used by various forces that fight the government. Those weapons were not legaly obtained within the nation, but since they are needed to take on the government, they are what is used.

The elements fighting the government forces are a mix of different forces. Some organized crime, some drug smugglers, and some citizens with various causes.

They have some serious gunfights there:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=499_1192753712

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=549_1178469622

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=545_1178322139

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=42e_1199661602

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e51_1191113784

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d51_1204144605
(not all are different incidents, but most are not captured on video)
On and on.
Yet like I said, most of those weapons used against the militant police are not even legal because the law does not allow rifle powered cartridges for civilians.
The intent being the police can travel around in armorered vehicles and body armor and do as they wish without threat from the population.

Cougfan2
July 8, 2008, 04:24 PM
I sincerely hope Brazilians retain their firearms rights. During my last few months at Intel Corp I managed a Latin America spare parts depot in Sao Paulo and other countries. I was scheduled to make a trip down there and was getting all of my shots and started reading the info the State Department had on traveling to Brazil. YIKES!!! :what: Not a safe place! They talked about people routinely being snatched up and taken to an ATM where they are forced to take out as much cash as they can get and if your lucky they just beat you up and let you live. The people that I knew in the Sao Paulo depot said you were better off not venturing outside of your hotel at night. If anyone needs firearms for personal defense it is those folks!

Tyris
July 8, 2008, 04:41 PM
It is good to see that the "assault" rifles are available inspite of the brazilian government's stupidity.

God bless gun smugglers the world over.

They are truely the last line of defense for gun owners when all legislative and judicial methods fail.

-T

dmxx9900
July 8, 2008, 06:03 PM
Whats better long prison term or death/suicide?
choices
1.Stay legal without your rights and be vulnerable
2.fight the cops possibly die with your head blown off.
3.hide illegal weapons and may or may not get caught
4.get the f*** out of that country and immigrate to US the legal way as fast as possible.

Its very unlikely that the Brazilians will get full gun rights ever unless a major civil war happens and they win and reform the government.

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