Mouse gun thread---Sorta


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Cougfan2
July 8, 2008, 06:38 PM
Saw this article on Fox news. Probably wouldn't have happened if she'd been using a mouse gun! :neener::D

POTTER VALLEY, Calif. — A Mendocino County woman who was trying to kill mice in her trailer with a gun ended up shooting herself and another person.

The 43-year-old woman pulled out her .44-caliber Magnum revolver after she saw the mice scurrying across the floor of her trailer on Highway 20 in Potter Valley, sheriff's officials said.

But she accidentally dropped the gun, which went off as it struck the floor. The bullet went through the woman's kneecap, bounced off the keys sitting on the belt loop of a 42-year-old man in the trailer and grazed the man's groin before ending up in his coin pocket. :what:

Authorities did not release the shooting victims' names.

The mice escaped the shooting unharmed.

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Monolith
July 8, 2008, 06:49 PM
Wouldn't a gun in California have to pass that drop test, and NOT fire if let go from 5-3 feet? Or is "dropped" code for "fired wildly". Plus, 44 Mag in a trailer? Hello temporary hearing loss.

lazyeye
July 8, 2008, 06:52 PM
The press as always has delivered us inaccurate info.
Here's the possibilities:
1. The gun was damaged
2. The gun didn't get dropped, someone did something really stupid and used that as an excuse


The "drop test" only applies to new guns sold in CA

armoredman
July 8, 2008, 06:54 PM
Wow. That "grazed the groin" thing is painful to read...

TallPine
July 8, 2008, 07:20 PM
You can't serve papers on a rat - you have to shoot 'em or let 'em be ;)

shevrock
July 8, 2008, 07:35 PM
bounced off the keys sitting on the belt loop of a 42-year-old man in the trailer and grazed the man's groin before ending up in his coin pocket.

AHH. maybe the lady had to get the gun out of the ceiling. Very unlikely though. I know my guns re up fairly high, not loaded though.

Old Grump
July 8, 2008, 08:08 PM
That can make you disoriented. The knee was the accident, she was trying to send the guy a message. I'm guessing her trailer isn't in the rent district.

elrod
July 8, 2008, 08:14 PM
Damn big mouse............I would have to wager on alcohol being a factor here. If not, there shoulda been! ;)

bumm
July 8, 2008, 08:18 PM
I can't see anything wrong here... A .44 magnum revolver to kill mice in a trailer...? Is there some other way...?
Marty

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
July 8, 2008, 08:26 PM
Heres Your Sign!

Surefire
July 8, 2008, 08:35 PM
Some interesting comments about the story in this thread:

http://forums.pressdemocrat.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3601086917/m/6281071637


Here is the full story:

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080708/NEWS05/807080371/1350&title=Would_be_mice_killer_shoots_self

Sistema1927
July 8, 2008, 08:58 PM
The mice escaped the shooting unharmed.

Wow! Who would have thought that .44 magnum wasn't enough for a mouse?

Big B
July 8, 2008, 09:02 PM
You can't fix stupid!

Surefire
July 8, 2008, 09:07 PM
There is a really funny photoshopped picture of a mouse with a .45 in the forum posted above. :D

unspellable
July 8, 2008, 09:09 PM
Right quick off the top of my head I can't think of a 44 mag revolver that doesn't have a tansfer bar or hammer block. There may be one out there but it wouldn't include a S&W, Dan Wesson, Colt, Ruger, etc.

ashtxsniper
July 8, 2008, 09:10 PM
You can't serve papers on a rat - you have to shoot 'em or let 'em be
Wasnt that off of True grit?

unspellable
July 8, 2008, 09:14 PM
The story doesn't say what sort of substances the lady may have been ingesting. Those mice may have been the size of lions!

Squidward
July 8, 2008, 09:17 PM
"But she accidentally dropped the gun, which went off as it struck the floor. The bullet went through the woman's kneecap, bounced off the keys sitting on the belt loop of a 42-year-old man in the trailer and grazed the man's groin before ending up in his coin pocket".

Is that a magnum in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me. :D

RonE
July 8, 2008, 09:31 PM
Wasn't Jim Jones from Potter Valley before moving to South America? Wonder if the lady and her friend were into the Mendo Gold or some other such wacky stuff?

I swear officer, the mouse was really big and threatened me......

Realbigo
July 8, 2008, 09:35 PM
Cute Pic Though
http://www.aafgidpa.com/images/mousegun.jpg

jnyork
July 8, 2008, 09:44 PM
But she accidentally dropped the gun, which went off as it struck the floor.

Sure it did!!:banghead:

neviander
July 8, 2008, 09:45 PM
Has anybody seen Ratatouille? :D

Flamer
July 8, 2008, 09:49 PM
A 44 mag for a mouse, good lord.

And I feel sorry for that man who just about came close to the reality of having nothing but memories in the shorts department.

Sound like your typical negligent gun owner that ends up giving us all a bad name. I mean really who pulls out a 44 mag for a mouse and then fires it in a trailer no less. wouldn't surprise me one bit if she got a little trigger happy and did this damage and said she dropped the gun so she wouldn't (a) sound like a idiot even though pulling a 44 mag for a mouse would suffice enough for me or (b) get any possible charges filed against her.

bogie
July 8, 2008, 10:39 PM
Did anyone say...

Back off, and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...

Alexfubar
July 8, 2008, 11:23 PM
I Really Don't want to know what a 44 mag does to a kneecap from zero to 2 feet. ...

KI.W.
July 9, 2008, 09:16 AM
Very common in USA.
Old lady was shootin in her own mouth. Uder pillow was asthma pump and Baby Browning.
A body was demonstrateting new gun for girl friend. His pants was smokig when the ambulance came.........
Mayby you need tighter gun control, mayby not. It isn´t my business. :cool:

unspellable
July 9, 2008, 09:43 AM
At a place I used to work we had a press. In front of the press was a wide four inch high platform with a prominent sign on each side saying, "One preson only on platform." The platform was surrounded by yellow stripes painted on the floor. Activating the press required pushing two large buttons about eighteen inches to either side. Then a plastic curtain would come down first and stop the press if it hit an object. You guessed it, our brilliant operator lost a finger tip in it. It required the help of a second genius to do it.

You can't make anything fool proof because fools are so ingenious.

Pocket9
July 9, 2008, 11:17 AM
She probably saw the mouse, freaked :what: and threw the gun at the mouse as hard as she could. The rest is history.... :o

Packman
July 9, 2008, 11:31 AM
I can't see anything wrong here... A .44 magnum revolver to kill mice in a trailer...? Is there some other way...?
Marty

Only thing I see wrong is she missed. .44 mag vs. mouse? Close enough oughta be good enough.

Dain Bramage
July 9, 2008, 11:35 AM
Right quick off the top of my head I can't think of a 44 mag revolver that doesn't have a tansfer bar or hammer block. There may be one out there but it wouldn't include a S&W, Dan Wesson, Colt, Ruger, etc.


Could have been an old model Blackhawk.

More likely, Old Grandad or Jim Beam pulled the trigger.

AJ Dual
July 9, 2008, 11:39 AM
I agree. My guess is she had the revolver cocked because the mouse is a 'tricky shot' and somehow startled, dropped it, made a grab, and pulled the trigger on it's light SA setting.

unspellable
July 9, 2008, 01:30 PM
Long ago in my foolish youth we would hunt jackrabbits at night by chasing them with a pickup and shooting from the back. (Any way you could get a jack was consdiered fair, helicopters, nets, dynamite, machine guns, what ever.) The truck stalled with the rear wheels in a ditch. I was drawing a bead with a rifle while my wife was drawing a bead with a S&W when the driver popped the clutch and we both went appetite over tea kettle. My wife cracked her tail bone on the junk in the pickup bed while I gave her a split lip and two loose teeth with the rife butt. All through this she had presence of mind to keep the revolver pointed up. But on sorting things out we found the hammer down, the only explaination being that she tripped the trigger but let off fast enough for the hammer block to rise before the hammer got all the way down.

It took me a loooong time to live down hitting the wife in the kisser with a rifle butt...

win71
July 9, 2008, 02:37 PM
i am dumbfounded as to why someone would use a .44 magnum for rodent control. there are many safer and more effective means. even if it were an effective method, i wouldn't expose myself to the hearing damage of firing indoors unless it were truly necessary. this doesn't qualify...
Apparently you've never been to Potter Valley. .44 mags are perfectly safe to fire in a trailer. The old tires on the roof usually prevent mishaps...........

Bart Noir
July 9, 2008, 03:34 PM
It took me a loooong time to live down hitting the wife in the kisser with a rifle butt...

Aw, just Redneck foreplay.....

It does strain a marriage somewhat to use the bayonet end, however.

Bart Noir

gopguy
July 9, 2008, 04:06 PM
The good news is the mouse is now deaf, has learned his lesson and will not return to that trailer. :rolleyes:

Has anybody seen Ratatouille? Yeah, my kids loved that movie. lol;)

subierex
July 9, 2008, 05:17 PM
A pic of said mouse ? ....

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4193/180pxhippetyhopper57a5exx4.jpg

MakAttak
July 9, 2008, 05:28 PM
The good news is the mouse is now deaf, has learned his lesson and will not return to that trailer.

Three deaf mice,
Three deaf mice....

Surefire
July 10, 2008, 08:41 PM
Update to the story:

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080710/NEWS/130817035/1350&title=Charges_for__mouse_shooter__

The woman may be charged with a crime...

TallPine
July 10, 2008, 11:41 PM
Was this the mouse-gun that roared ?

gtmerkley
July 11, 2008, 02:06 AM
"theres no mouse guns its all in your head"

Surefire
July 11, 2008, 12:59 PM
The plot thickens...

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080711/NEWS/807110322/1350&title=Potter_Valley_mice_shooter_won_t_face_charges

Not guilty by reason of stupidty. :D

MakAttak
July 11, 2008, 01:04 PM
Potter Valley mice shooter won't face charges

By Glenda Anderson
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT


Published: Friday, July 11, 2008 at 4:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Friday, July 11, 2008 at 5:36 a.m.
A Potter Valley woman who wounded herself while attempting to kill mice with a .44 Magnum revolver won't face criminal charges, authorities said Thursday.

The Mendocino County District Attorney's Office had been considering whether to charge Debra Due, 43, with negligent discharge of a firearm.

"There's insufficient criminal intent," Chief Deputy District Attorney Jill Ravitch said Thursday. "Sometimes incredibly stupid things don't amount to criminal acts."

The shooting occurred in the early hours of July 3 as Due tried to kill mice in a travel trailer on her property for a female tenant who was moving in, said Sheriff's Capt. Kurt Smallcomb.

Due, who was intoxicated, went to the trailer about 1:20 a.m. with her gun holstered under her left arm "because she knows there's a mouse problem," Smallcomb said.

But as she drew the revolver, it slipped from her hand, hit the floor and fired, Smallcomb said.

The bullet went through Due's right kneecap, then struck a set of keys hanging from the belt loop of a Clearlake man who was helping with the move. The bullet glanced off the keys and tore a hole in the man's pants, Smallcomb said.

The bullet traveled between the man's pants and undershorts, grazing his groin before ending up in his pocket, from where it was recovered for evidence, Smallcomb said.

"He's really lucky. If it didn't hit him in the key chain, who knows what would have happened," he said.

Due was taken to Ukiah Valley Medical Center for treatment and later discharged.

Apparently no mice were harmed, Smallcomb said.

Due, who also is listed as a Windsor resident, could not be reached for comment Thursday.

The road leading to her rugged property and the homes of several neighbors, just west of the Lake County line near Highway 20, was blocked Thursday by a locked, wrought-iron gate lined on top with small American flags.

Smallcomb said there may be a lesson from the accident: "I guess you don't drink and shoot mice at the same time," he said.

Article from above link.

I will note one thing:

Due, who was intoxicated, went to the trailer about 1:20 a.m. with her gun holstered under her left arm "because she knows there's a mouse problem," Smallcomb said.

Most of these "gun accidents" seem to have a high correlation to "drinking."

I'm starting to wonder if we should crusade against alcohol whenever someone tauts the numbers of gun "accidents"...

Hmm... has anyone run the total numbers to include alcohol induced gun and other types of "accidents"? (including drunk driving).

Surefire
July 11, 2008, 02:04 PM
Ironic, California is one of the most liberal, gun hating states in the nation.

RESPONSIBLE gun owners are treated like dog poop.

Yet, logically challenged folk, as this woman appears to be, and criminals are often given a slap on the wrist when they use guns in an irresponsible or criminal way. :barf:

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