Help me choose!


July 8, 2008, 05:42 PM
I'd like to get an entry level rifle but get some of the better features in a "black powder" rifle. It will no doubt spend more time shooting paper and it would be highly unlikely it would ever be hunted with so keep that in mind.

I'm looking for the best bang for the buck. Are any of these any good?

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July 8, 2008, 08:04 PM
Ita all a personel choice its like picking cars and a women whaT DO YOU LIKE.:banghead:
NO I DON'T DO INLINES. i DON'T DO SCOPES. I hunt muzzleloader w/a civil war carbine.

July 8, 2008, 08:52 PM
Don't worry, ask my wife I do as I please. :neener:

I'm hoping someone might have a little insight on which if any of those rifles would be a good black powder starter gun with some handy features that isn't a POS.

July 8, 2008, 08:54 PM
I like the Hawken designed rifles & Civil War & prior Martial weapons but that's me, but like sharps59 said "Its all a personel choice," if you have a few friends that have a muzzle loader or two that will let you shoot them this'll help you chose the type of rifle that best suits you & then chos the one that best fits your bill without hurting your pocket too much.

If you like a more traditional design then the Traditions St Louis Hawken would be a nice one.

July 8, 2008, 09:14 PM
I would look at the 50 cal Hawkens. They will be the cheapest for a traditional rifle. Might look at the auction sites. resale on BP guns is bad.

July 8, 2008, 09:51 PM
Shoot every one you can get your hands on. Personnaly, I like Hawkens.

July 8, 2008, 10:13 PM
Hawkens....... if I was going to mess with an inline (drop in premeasured formed pellet charge, push down a saboted slug place primer....) I'd just use a bolt action rifle..... same difference as per MY opinion its only a muzzle loader its NOT black powder as blackpowder doesn't come in preformed pellets, my reason for BP is the simplicity and getting back to basics so why clutter it up with a bunch of modern junk and a modern ignition etc...

July 8, 2008, 10:32 PM
The proper name is Hawken

Darn amateurs ;)

July 8, 2008, 10:43 PM
Inlines are more efficient for hunting and long range shooting. But saboted bullets are much more expensive and loading is more tedious than when only shooting patched round balls. Plus inlines usually require larger powder charges, have much more recoil and get dirtier faster.
Saboted bullets cost about .50 cents each without powder & 209 primer, while roundballs cost about .10 cents each plus a cap, .03 cent patch and only require about 1/2 the amount of powder.
For plinking and general mid-range target shooting, traditional side lock guns are a lot more fun and relaxing to load and shoot.
What kind of black powder shooting is it that interests you the most?
The next question would be how much do you want to spend?
Then it really comes down to particulars of how long of a barrel, wood or plastic stock, caliber etc...
Inlines are usually outfitted with a scope, but some sidelocks are factory drilled and tapped for mounting a scope too.,320&cvt=jpeg

This nickel barreled Traditions Deerhunter for $184.97 is a great starter gun for the price. I have one in .50 caliber and it will shoot patched round balls and saboted bullets to the same point of aim at 50 yards. It comes in a wood stocked version too, but the durable nickel finish won't easily rust, it's slicker and easier to clean. It also has adjustable fiber optic sights and is drill and tapped. Sure it has a plastic stock, but that's the trade off for being nickeled.
It's a fun & reliable shooting gun with patched round balls. Shoot 50-55 grains of powder all afternoon without swabbing the barrel until you get home.
But know this, you must clean your rifle after every shooting session without fail. That's the chore that we all have to endure for shooting black powder guns. It could take 30 - 60 minutes to do, but it must be done without fail.
Now if you want to spend more money, we can always help you find a more expensive rifle. But simple pleasures are often the best. Plus you will be needing about another $50 worth of additional accessories. So don't dive in too deep all at once. Start off slow and tell us what else there is that you need to know. :)

July 9, 2008, 10:35 AM
Before I start, I'll just say I shoot a Kentucky rifle. Mine was made by CVA. After working up which powder charge with which bullet it shot best. It will continually cut a single hole at 50 yds. w/open sights. If you want the true muzzle loader shooting experience, then get a side lock. (Hawkin is probably one of the best). But if you want a little more simplicity and/or versatility, and want to go with an in-line, then the Encore is the way to go.

July 9, 2008, 11:11 AM
I certainly don't have anything against inlines, but given the parameters set in the op, my suggestion would be to get the Shenandoah Rifle in .36 cal. shooting will be less expensive than larger calibers and accuracy would be as good or better.

July 9, 2008, 12:05 PM
Get this and you won't be sorry, I'm partial to a .50 cal myself..and the price is right on this one.


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