If you had to choose a rifle and a handgun to go into a battle/armed conflict ?


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datruth
July 8, 2008, 10:05 PM
Consider if you were a private contractor, an active duty/reserves soldier in our armed forces, or just a regular Guy/girl who just loves firearms and had to chose one rifle and one handgun to go into the streets of Baghdad, A-Stan, Beirut, wherever and had to defend your self or family in a Armed conflict,desperate type of scenario, what firearms would you chose, it could be firearms you presently own which would add a sense of realism to my post, or weapons you always wanted and tell us why you would pick that handgun and rifle. Strictly hypothetical tell me what your opinions are?

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romma
July 8, 2008, 10:08 PM
M4 or AK47 would work for me for the rifle.

Any 15rd 9mm such as a Glock would do for the sidearm.

(I can't believe I said Glock)!

Bowman140
July 8, 2008, 10:12 PM
For the rifle I would choose the HK 417 in .308. The pistol would be some type of a .45 acp with a suppressor.

TexasSkyhawk
July 8, 2008, 10:14 PM
HKG3 for the long gun.

S&W Model 686 w/6" barrel for the handgun.

Mossberg 500 for the shotgun.

Jeff

gladi8tr
July 8, 2008, 10:15 PM
My Lmt a-4 and my Hk usp 45

psyopspec
July 8, 2008, 10:15 PM
I know I'm unoriginal for it, but M-4 and 92fs. At this point in my life I still don't have enough experience with my "dream guns" to pick them over the weapons I've been issued and worked to become proficient with.

lacoochee
July 8, 2008, 10:16 PM
I would go with what I own and know hit hard and accurately with absolute reliability, my Vepr-K 7.62x39 and Service Springfield XD40.

qwert65
July 8, 2008, 10:16 PM
1911 or xd.45 as the sidearm

m-4 if urban, otherwise an m-16 or m-14 depending on distances

Reddbecca
July 8, 2008, 10:19 PM
It would depend on the setting, but if I had the room to maneuver it around I'd be armed with the FN FAL in .308 for my rifle.

My handgun would be something effective, something like the Springfield XD or S&W M&P in .45 ACP.

OOOXOOO
July 8, 2008, 10:23 PM
M-4 and Glock 19

bthest86
July 8, 2008, 10:24 PM
My AK under-folder and leave the pistol at home.

45Guy
July 8, 2008, 10:29 PM
The sidefolding AK that's being built for me. My XD9 or an XD45, my Ruger SP101 in my pocket or on my ankle. And if I didn't have the AK yet, my 870 loaded with buck or slugs.

knockonit
July 8, 2008, 10:33 PM
I"d have to say a Ak or a galil and a 1911 platform pistola,
I do however favor a shotgun, served me well many years ago.
But i'll take what ever my hands can get on at the time and collect as I go.

Bartkowski
July 8, 2008, 10:34 PM
From weapons that I own, it would be my LMT AR and my P6. I am proficient with both, and they have been 100% reliable so far, no jams or stoppages. My LMT is accurate to boot.

B.D. Turner
July 8, 2008, 10:36 PM
M1A and H&K usp .45

Zoogster
July 8, 2008, 10:39 PM
They are not the same thing.

You lump them altogether like they fill the same roles.

The ideal firearms for armed conflict localy, at home or near a vehicle is probably a nice rifle in a large powerful caliber with .308 being the minimum for an all-out warfare scenario. Up to and beyond a .50 BMG M2 (don't put innocents in danger with your fire). Maybe you need a 20mm mounted Vulcan with armor piercing rounds to deal with lightly armored approaching APCs?

If you are a soldier on foot for miles, usualy without incident but with the occasional massive gun battle then you want a smaller caliber that you can carry more of for longer distances and use in extended firefights away from an ammo source. Something like most ARs and AKs are chambered in.


A handgun is also highly variable. Are you defending against those in body armor, soldiers, etc Or general desperate looters? Is it a secondary firearm to back up your rifle, or will you often be in positions you cannot have a visible rifle and it needs to be a main combat arm?

There is many factors and there is not perfect caliber or firearm for all of them.

HK G3
July 8, 2008, 10:43 PM
My namesake :p (HK G3 - heavily accessorized) and an HK Mk23 .45 ACP

Are private contractors allowed to use hollowpoints?

Dgreno
July 8, 2008, 10:45 PM
Glock 21SF with a suppressor, lasermax, and a Surefire X300 and an AK with 30 rd mags, tri rail (with light and laser), and a better stock and pistol grip. Dont get me wrong, nothing impractical will be attached to either.

Big45
July 8, 2008, 10:45 PM
My mosin and my nagant revolver.

XD-40 Shooter
July 8, 2008, 10:54 PM
AK-47 and XD-40.:D

Lady with a Gun
July 8, 2008, 10:57 PM
The handgun would be a Glock.

For the rifle, I would be torn between a .223 self-loader or a .308 loaded with match quality ammunition. If I knew trouble would be a close in urban setting, the .223 would be my choice. For longer shots, I would prefer the .308

IROCZ
July 8, 2008, 11:16 PM
Glock in .40 or 9mm (logistics) and my M1A!

Surefire
July 8, 2008, 11:20 PM
Guess I'll go with M1A and XD 45.

Wopasaurus
July 8, 2008, 11:21 PM
If we can have anything we want... I'd take an HK G36, and an XD .45

justin 561
July 8, 2008, 11:21 PM
M4 or AK47. a Glock in .45

abrink
July 8, 2008, 11:24 PM
Are private contractors allowed to use hollowpoints?

I think so. They're not any part of the military...They're trained civilians if you think about it.

usmarine0352_2005
July 8, 2008, 11:25 PM
This for rifle:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f191/usmarine0352/GatlingGun.jpg



For pistol:

Springfield XD in .45



;-)


.

usmarine0352_2005
July 8, 2008, 11:26 PM
.

I think so. They're not any part of the military...They're trained civilians if you think about it.


Merc's can do whatever they want.

But the consequences can be dire. The 13 or whatever got caught in that one country trying to help over-throw the country all got hung or something. (I can't remember.)

.

FM12
July 8, 2008, 11:29 PM
AR15 and Browning Hi Power. Period.

CSG
July 8, 2008, 11:35 PM
I think the military has it about right with the M4 and M9. I might prefer a G21 over the M9 (although I own and like an FS Brig in 9mm).

I like being able to carry a lot of ammo though so the .223 and 9mm allows me to do that more easily than other, larger calibers.

Just Jim
July 8, 2008, 11:37 PM
I got to have more information. I need a time line for deployment and a size of enemy combatants. I need the time of year and time of travel (day or night) I need to know what the end result is to achieve.

More info please.

jj

Crow1108
July 8, 2008, 11:37 PM
Well, since I'm happy with what I'd own, and they're what I practice with, I'd have to take them over with me. Let's go with my Sig AND 1911 (different holsters. No dual-wielding...just one to back the other one up in the event that in the thick of it, if I lose one, I still have the other), my AR (with a few more accessories, such as a good red dot sight and flashlight of some time), and my shotgun loaded with slugs.

jrfoxx
July 8, 2008, 11:51 PM
my 1911 and Bushmaster M4 are probly he best for covering different scenarios as fairly well, as much as that is posible.I shoot the 1911 well, and and have no issues with .45acp being a pretty good round as far as handguns go, and the M4 is light, versatile, manueverable, and pretty accurate. I'd personally prefer something in .30 as opposed to .223 for a little extra umph, but then at the same time, you lose out a bit with ammo weight, mag capacity, and recoil, so not real sure on that.I'd have to actually shoot an M4/AR in .308, 6.8spc, ect to see if the weight/recoil is actauly much of a factor for me personally or not.

Wesson Smith
July 8, 2008, 11:52 PM
I guess I'd have to go with my DSA SA58 FAL and my Springfield XD-M.

223_AR
July 9, 2008, 12:02 AM
M4 or AK (its a toss up). And for handgun i hate to say it but Glock (sorry i dont really like polymer handguns glock fans)

glockman19
July 9, 2008, 12:03 AM
M1A & Glock 19

xx7grant7x
July 9, 2008, 12:05 AM
M1A and H&K usp .45

My exact thoughts upon reading the OP, you literally stole my choice...you must have amazing taste to boot ;-)

texas_rebel_1980
July 9, 2008, 12:08 AM
i would take my AK and my XD45 service.

i would have a tough time choosing between the ak or the ar but if i had to trust my life to a gun that i may not be able to clean everytime it needed it, i would grab the ak. and i am dead nuts accurate with the xd.

shdwfx
July 9, 2008, 12:10 AM
Glock 17 (near-universal ammo, reliable, cheap replacement parts)
LMT MRP with their gas piston system (versatile barrel/caliber options)

M203Sniper
July 9, 2008, 12:18 AM
Ar-10 - .308 caliber AR style rifle

Glock 21SF. - .45, suppressible, high cap


:evil:

nalioth
July 9, 2008, 12:25 AM
I have no preference, so long as I have a combat wheelbarrow to carry it in.

I'd also like one of those tax free $3.843,000/year paid-to-a-numbered-offshore-account contractor jobs, tyvm.

lloydkristmas
July 9, 2008, 12:27 AM
SIG 551 SWAT Carbine and HK USP .45

gtmerkley
July 9, 2008, 12:38 AM
Ak47 rifle and Calico handgun
or the other way around

yeti
July 9, 2008, 12:41 AM
HK G3/91, Sig 226

BammaYankee
July 9, 2008, 01:04 AM
Red Ryder BB gun (with the compass in the stock) and my trusty Star Trek phaser (set on 'stun' of course) since such scenerios are mere fantasy anyway....

Mil-Spec45
July 9, 2008, 01:12 AM
If a war ship cannon for the rifle doesn't count, then I'd pick a .50 BMG to snipe them (you didn't think I was actually brave enough to engage close up did you? :rolleyes:,

and a really loud fog horn as my side arm. Those things are scary, how loud they are and all! I could probably sneak up behind them, blow it, and scare them to death.

Nivek
July 9, 2008, 01:18 AM
SIG 551 SWAT Carbine and HK USP .45

I second that opinion. That's almost what i've got already, minus the select-fire capability of the 551.

Sig 556 w/ folding stock and 3x ACOG
HK USP .45 w/ night sights:D

Treo
July 9, 2008, 01:24 AM
M-109 A3 155 MM. howitzer & M-16 A2 .

Given that's what I'm trained on, that's probably what I'd do the most good W/.

BReilley
July 9, 2008, 01:27 AM
20" FAL and CZ-75 SP-01. If I'm in a situation where a rifle is "standard equipment", I'm not going to be concerned about concealing the pistol...

And BammaYankee... "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!"

rdoggsilva
July 9, 2008, 03:15 AM
My 1911 and Remington 700 30-06 or M1917. With ether of these rifles I can then get one of those black plastic rifles and ammo.

RP88
July 9, 2008, 03:20 AM
AK-47 in 7.62x39 or greater (or any rifle that will consistently rip through a standard vest)

pistol would be either an M9 Beretta or Springfield XD in 9mm

shotgun would be my SP Mossberg 500, but I may opt out for something a little more modern, such as a 590.

Harry Paget Flashman
July 9, 2008, 03:27 AM
I am going with the Walther P22 and a brick of ammo so I can carry more MRE's and Cheetos. I plan on hunkering down in comfort at my age.

H088
July 9, 2008, 03:42 AM
Anything with a grenade launcher and bayonet rolled into one.

Crunker1337
July 9, 2008, 06:26 AM
Bushmaster ACR
1911 doublestack

rocinante
July 9, 2008, 07:00 AM
Side arm S&W 915 9mm. 15 rounds, accurate, reliable, no BS pistol.

Long arm my Saiga S12 12 gauge shotgun with folding stock and 10 round magazines and a red dot. I would feel comfortable in urban alleys and houses with it. That will do pig.

doc2rn
July 9, 2008, 07:49 AM
120mm smooth-bore main gun
.50 M2 back up
Accept no substitute for the undisputed king of the hill. Man portable is easy AK-47s and G19s.

mbt2001
July 9, 2008, 09:30 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Cz75.jpg/300px-Cz75.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/SA-80_rifle_1996.jpg/300px-SA-80_rifle_1996.jpg


or

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AK103.jpg/300px-AK103.jpg

Goblin
July 9, 2008, 09:38 AM
From the ones I own, it would be my scoped AR and my Hi-cap .45:)

JRS950
July 9, 2008, 09:43 AM
I'd take what I know, my PT92AFS. Don't know how to shoot much else, so what I know works best for me. Besides, I don't want to be there at all.

csmkersh
July 9, 2008, 10:06 AM
AK
1911
Beretta 1200 or Remington 870; shortened barrel to about 20" choked full.

lazyeye
July 9, 2008, 10:07 AM
My Glock 17 (9mm is ubiquitous and easy to resupply) and either an AR15 carbine or a AK47 sidefolder (depending on AO and resupply situation).

Robert14
July 9, 2008, 10:13 AM
Consider the environment, ammo avaliability in that part of the world, parts & mag avaliability. I would go with the AK & the M9. Not my first choices for less sandy environments.

XDKingslayer
July 9, 2008, 11:14 AM
That Barret M4 based 6.8mm rifle and a .45ACP XD.

ScottyT
July 9, 2008, 11:25 AM
Sig SG 551 Carbine (or maybe the shorter 552 Commando for exclusively urban environments)
XD .45

ByAnyMeans
July 9, 2008, 11:29 AM
Converted Saiga in 7.62x39 and a glock 19 (allowed hollowpoints) or 21 if no hollowpoints

crebralfix
July 9, 2008, 11:31 AM
DPMS SASS in 308 Winchester with 18" barrel and good red dot/scope combo good out to 600 yards

Glock 19

BTW: the rifle choice is based upon the preferences of USMC sniper/scouts I know.

Alternatively, I would be tempted go with a FAL or even a Garand.

rbernie
July 9, 2008, 11:32 AM
The same ones as the buddies that I brought with me.

yesit'sloaded
July 9, 2008, 11:43 AM
Semi auto rifle chambered in whatever my buddies around me are carrying, mounted with a midrange optic such as an ACOG. 1911 or Glock as a sidearm.

davidjblythe
July 9, 2008, 11:56 AM
RIFLE: Accuracy International AWM .338 Lapua Magnum
http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/AW.html#asm338
AWM photo is from Zak Smith's webpage.


PISTOL (sort of): Colt M4 Commando w/ M203 Grenade Launcher.
http://www.colt.com/mil/M203.asp

blackthorn762
July 9, 2008, 11:59 AM
Based on what I own...

Me: Scoped SVT-40, Rem. 870, & Cz-52 w/HP
Wife: Mini-14, .40 S&W w/Hydro-Shock

Available: Scoped Finn. M39

spiroxlii
July 9, 2008, 12:04 PM
Rifle: Something chambered in 7.62x39 because it is so widely available, and I can carry more of an intermediate cartridge than I can of a larger rifle cartridge. From my current collection, that would mean one of my SKS carbines. Probably the Chinese one, since it's lighter and easier to handle than the Yugoslavian one.

Handgun: A quality 9mm full size pistol, because 9mm ammo is so widely available. A .45ACP would be my second choice, but I don't own any .45ACP pistols yet. Out of my collection, I'd probably choose to take my HS2000 (same gun as Springfield XD9), because it's a full size gun with 16rd magazines. I prefer my Bersa Thunder UC9 for daily carry, but if it's a battle/shtf scenario, I'll give up the extra concealability of the Bersa for the higher capacity and longer barrel of the HS2000/XD9.

Shotgun: I only own an H&R single shot .410, but if I were going to buy a shotgun for combat/shtf, I would go with a reliable pump 12 gauge like the Mossberg 500/590 or a Remington 870.

whyipackmy45
July 9, 2008, 12:07 PM
Ak
1911

Realbigo
July 9, 2008, 12:53 PM
if money was no object, the new Massada rifle in 6.8mm, carrying the conversion kit for 5.56, and 7.62x39. Taurus OSS in .45

drgrenthum
July 9, 2008, 12:55 PM
m4 with m203 and an xd40. I also need a few beta mags to keep from having to do all those pesky reloads as i spray and pray from behind a sofa peeing my pants

scrat
July 9, 2008, 12:59 PM
id take this

AA 12 guage
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

weisse52
July 9, 2008, 02:17 PM
AK47. 1911 in .45. Go with what has a proven track record and what I have confidence in.

Old School
July 9, 2008, 02:33 PM
Well, since you said into the streets, I will assume we are talking about an urban situation. And, since you mentioned middle eastern cities, I will assume that area of the world for ammo availability. Whith those parameters, I would pick the AK-47 and a Glock in whatever caliber is popular over there for hand guns. I will tell you that I sold my Glock and have no plans to buy another. But, for a desert - combat scenario, I favor its design.

thunder173
July 9, 2008, 03:04 PM
Beretta M-9 and an M-4 would be the obvious,...spare parts and plentiful ammo around. If I needed to be discreet,...an Uzi in 9mm, and probably a Walther PPK..... otherwise,...the same as the last time,...a 1911 anything in .45 ACP and an M-14....

danweasel
July 9, 2008, 04:02 PM
An HK 417 regardless of caliber and my XD45 tactical 5". Oh and by battle I assume you mean "go in a time machine and fight against Attila the Hun." Because that would make me the ultimate warrior!

Realbigo
July 9, 2008, 06:04 PM
Alright, this is something that I have put quite a bit of thought into over the last few years, and not only have I considered this for myself, I've also thought about how I would distribute weapons and gear to my GFriend, Mom, and her parents. My loadout would be my 1911 clone w/ 3 spare 10 rounders. the AK under folder, its accompanying chest rig(6 mags), and hydration pack. For long range work, I have a tuned and scoped sporterized Lee Enfield in .303. I have a small dump pouch filled w/ stripper clips that I can clip on quickly. I also have a light field pack for myself. If we were a situation where we couldn't resupply I would move up to the large ALICE Pack. My GFriend will have her Star BM in 9 mm, My Mil-Dot scoped M4gery, and modified ALICE rig plus a German mountain pack I picked up a few years ago. My mom will have my Colt Trooper, loaded w/ .38's, and M1 carbine w/ my Korean War era Re-enactors gear. Her mom would have her dad's M1 and my WW2 Marine 782 gear. I don't know what she would do for a pistol, but Her dad has quite a few. Her dad would have my Nhm-91, my two 75 rd drums, and my Afghan war RPK setup for Fire support if need be. I have MRE's, and Camelbaks for the 3 of them as well. I also have plans for Vehicle movement, and an order of march figured out, if need be. I know it's ridiculous, and paranoid, but I can't help myself.

Robert
July 9, 2008, 06:51 PM
FN FAL
Colt 1911
Mossberg 590

U.S.SFC_RET
July 9, 2008, 06:52 PM
I would take my retirement check to the bank, sit in my rocking chair and watch the THR on the internet. :neener:
Your taxes pay for the standing army you have as a nation but if I had to do it again it would be the M16 platform (M4).

nalioth
July 9, 2008, 07:09 PM
An HK 417 regardless of caliber They come in more than one caliber?

Oh wait, I forget what thread this was. Of course they come in multiple calibers, just by changing the magazine . . .

Psywarrior13
July 9, 2008, 07:15 PM
My AK47 and SIG PRO 2340 with the 40 S&W barrel and I would be completely comfortable taking both.

DFW1911
July 9, 2008, 07:18 PM
In order:

AK and Hi-Cap .45 (XD or Glock)
or
Sig 55X with Hi-Cap .45
or
SOCOM 16 with Hi-Cap .45

I know, real original :D

novaDAK
July 9, 2008, 07:23 PM
Rifle:

http://atlanticfirearms.com/admin/images/content/ptr91f.jpg

Pistol:

http://atlanticfirearms.com/admin/images/content/v51p2008.jpg

:D:D:D:D

ReadyontheRight
July 9, 2008, 07:23 PM
M-4 or M16 and a Glock 21.

I'd like to have a .308, a 12ga, a .22 pistol and a 9mm pistol available in the vehicle or home to be covered for situations and ammo availability..

Vegaslaith
July 9, 2008, 08:15 PM
AK 47
glock 19

Cmdr. Gravez0r
July 9, 2008, 08:49 PM
Sks And Colt Saa

Kalashnikov
July 9, 2008, 08:50 PM
It depends on the conflict. If its back in the sandbox I'd take an AK (it work's, is plenty accurate for me and has no shortage of parts or ammo) and as a back up peice I'd carry a M&P .45

KiltedClaymore
July 9, 2008, 08:55 PM
AK-74
FN-Five Seven

and my pigsticker bowie knife.

22-rimfire
July 9, 2008, 09:51 PM
For war, probably a select fire AR in .223/5.56, a Remington 870 pump 12 ga shotgun, and a Glock M22 and plenty of ammo in reserve.

Intrepid Dad
July 9, 2008, 10:19 PM
Rifle = M4

Handgun = high capacity 9mm (Glock or Springfield XD)

guntotinguy
July 9, 2008, 10:21 PM
an AK and my XD .45 with 13 round mags

bwavec
July 10, 2008, 12:07 AM
Rifle: AR platform in .308 (AR 10, SR 25, HK 417, etc, etc) with optics.

Pistol: HK USP45

Shotgun: 12ga Mossberg 500

lwrnc1963
July 10, 2008, 12:33 AM
My M1A in a rural setting, 7.62 ak in an urban setting, 1911A1 for handgun.

BorisDaBastid
July 10, 2008, 12:43 AM
SHTF senario: An AK and my little P11. I figure 7.62 and 9mm are pretty dang standard in those areas, seein as how we keep finding the stuff.


Dream: MG3 (yes, I'd hump it around) and a 1911.

RONSTAR
July 10, 2008, 12:47 AM
Ak variant and a 1911.

Eightball
July 10, 2008, 01:24 AM
From what I currently own? My RRA 16" Middy for the rifle (due to commonality of everything, and my Smith and Wesson 620 .357 for the pistol (only pistol I own ATM that's larger than .22), with plenty of .357 Mag ammo (as to 158 vs. 125 gr, well, dunno yet). Soon, I hope to add a 1911 to the mix, and would probably take that instead of the revolver.

Alternatively from what I own, I would sub the rifle for my M1 Carbine, with several thousand rounds of ammo, with the same pistol. Damn handy weapon, despite what detractors say, especially if I'm in Baghdad (aka CITY) as opposed to a vast open territory. Third on the list would be my M1 Garand, just because it's suitable, but capacity's kind of limited.

If I could have whatever, I'd take either an M16A4 (no, not the M4) with some stuff bolted on top, or a SIG 55X series rifle that takes STANAG mags and some kinda optic on top. Pistol-wise? Some flavor of USP, or one of the 1911s that some of the (MEU)SOC armorers put out.

But I'd rather have an Abrams or A10, with an orbital cannon for close-air support :evil:

RevolvingCylinder
July 10, 2008, 09:22 AM
Since it's strictly hypothetical, I guess I'm disqualified. It's not hypothetical for me. The M4 and M9 work just fine for me.

Only the contractors with a lower budget carry Kalashnikovs. Since only hits count, anyone who has a choice in the matter almost always carries an M4 or M16(though I've seen the H&K G36 once). Even our Iraqi counterparts that have a choice do. They too enjoy greatly increased hit capabilities.

I'd much prefer a 1911A1 over the Beretta M9 due to personal preference but the Beretta M9 works just fine. I have a very strong preference for the M4/M16 series of rifles. I can't think of a superior all-around combat rifle for general use. Superb accuracy and reliability. Now if they would just stop issuing us worn, beat-to-hell magazines(some don't even fit in the mag well being that warped. And they issue them like that. A few even have "BAD" painted on them) and issue us only quality ones. The Army and Marine Corps would do well to buy up some P-Mags instead of that cost being on the Soldier or Marine. They seem to be more rugged than the aluminum ones and I would think they would have a longer useful service life.

elChupacabra!
July 10, 2008, 11:19 AM
For the rifle, I like my AR15. It's set up like the Marine SAM-R (with a few lower cost components, but still great for my needs since I'm not an Operator) with a fixed stock, 20" Stainless Match barrel, quad FF rail, Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 (hey like I said I'm not an operator, and it's one heck of a scope for what I paid for it!) on a Larue Tactical throw-lever mount. YHM flip-up front and Matech Flip-up rear BUIS. I've also got a Burris FastFire rigged up ontop of the scope, which gives me a little more flexibility for closer shooting. I love that rifle - can do 3/4" groups with FACTORY ammo, and am just about to go shoot my first work-ups of handloads through it this weekend - can't wait to see how THAT does! :D Also having a bipod, vert grip and tac light on QD throw-lever mounts makes for a very adaptable platform while saving weight down on that already-heavy front end when I don't need all that stuff.

As for the pistol, depends - I love my HKP2000 in 40S&W but it's got the LEM trigger so probably not a good battle gun. My SIGPRO SP2022 in 9mm has the edge for ammunition commonality and magazine capactiy at 15 rounds, and a pretty decent SA trigger pull, so that might edge out the HK. The 1911 would probably be my top pick (once it comes back from the smith with all new Ed Brown internals and a nice trigger job) for a FIGHTING gun given the caliber and ease of operation, so it would probably be up in the air between those two as to which I would actually go with.

jackstinson
July 10, 2008, 11:34 AM
Phased-plasma rifle, in the forty watt range.

SsevenN
July 10, 2008, 11:41 AM
FN P90 / Five-seveN Combo for me pleeeeeeze.......

chubbmann
July 10, 2008, 11:41 AM
I would carry a Thomspson with the 50 rd metal drum and my Rock Island 1911 .45 on a tactical holster strapped to my right leghttp://www.rbgungraphics.com/thompson6in.jpg.http://67trussell.com/mystuff/RockIsland%2045b.JPG

chubbmann
July 10, 2008, 11:42 AM
No need to carry all that different ammo...

slow944
July 10, 2008, 11:58 AM
M4 or AK47 and Kimber Ten II 45ACP

harbinger_j
July 10, 2008, 12:15 PM
If I had to go ino a situation like that I would choose the HK416 as my rifle.
http://www.hkpro.com/hk416.htm

I don't know if this counts as a pistol HK mp7
http://www.hkpro.com/pdwmain.jpg

Otherwise I would take a suppressed USP in 9mm

JonUSMC
July 10, 2008, 12:31 PM
Well, I think I would stay with an M-4 or an M-16, dependent upon expected contact distances. As far as a pistol, scrap that P.O.S. M9 and give me either a Glock 17, 19, or 21.

mpmarty
July 10, 2008, 12:42 PM
Using what I already have and know works:

My Saiga conversion 7.62X51 w/20" barrel flash hider and multiple 20 round mags, bipod, 8x scope, just like it stands in my safe now. 1moa day or night.

My Witness all steel 10mm w/ extra 15 round mags. 200gr gold dots at 1225fps and flat shooting out to over a hundred yards.

In the world of make believe:

40mm grenade launcher
Crew served ex gehwehr flak 88

Water-Man
July 10, 2008, 01:13 PM
Rem. 12 ga. pump and XD .45

roger505
July 10, 2008, 01:19 PM
Cary the one you can use the best. For me that would be an M14/M1A and a 1911 in 45.

ObeOne
July 10, 2008, 05:04 PM
Assuming ammo isint an issue...
ACR in 6.5 Grendel w/ 30 rd mags and a grenade lancher
and either a 5" S&W M&P or a STI/SVI in 10 mm
why be like everyone else?:evil:

e3mrk
July 10, 2008, 05:44 PM
I would take My Chinese SKS and My CZ-52 Pistol.

TAB
July 10, 2008, 05:48 PM
What ever I can get ammo/ spare parts for.

So if I was riding with the US armed forces I would most likly choice a M4 or an M14 depending one what we were doing and a M9 as a pistol.

Walkalong
July 10, 2008, 06:26 PM
M-14 and a 1911

ebd10
July 10, 2008, 06:29 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H47QlGq3zQ4

Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range and a good blaster.

Lazuris
July 10, 2008, 06:37 PM
Easy. M4 and m1911.

Gun Slinger
July 10, 2008, 07:02 PM
Pistol: Glock 17 (9mm)

Rifle: Arsenal SAS M7 (7.62x39) Underfolder/Synthetic Stock

Both are utterly reliable, use commonly readily available ammunition and are well suited to the urbanized combat environment most likely to be encountered in the trouble zones of today.

slabuda
July 10, 2008, 07:07 PM
Well if in the sand box a M-4/M-16 or an AK--parts, magazines and ammo are all easily accessible.

Well why not an M-9? I dont really like them but parts, mags ammo are all easily available. But Id much prefer something that fit my hands better like a usp COMPACT OR SIG 228/229 and in 9MM just for ammo sake but if .45 was readily available then Id rather have that.

Combat is a not a place to not be able to QUICKLY fix and or feed your weapon.

Stevie-Ray
July 10, 2008, 10:18 PM
FAL and 1911 in .45 or 10mm

M48 & M1911?:D

MyTFAL
July 10, 2008, 10:43 PM
Para FN Fal, HK USP45:what:

ronnieevans40
July 10, 2008, 11:14 PM
I would carry an M4 and a shotgun. I feel like for a combat situation a pistol is not enough. Close in the 12 gauge 870 is the room clearing, show stopper. I carried my M16 A-2 in the gulf and a Moss 500. never used the shotgun but it sure felt good having it. For the record I didn't use the M-16 much either.

Pigspitter
July 10, 2008, 11:56 PM
M416 with a 12ga. underslung shotgun and a M1911.

strangelittleman
July 11, 2008, 09:40 AM
Rifle: Valmet M76 7.62x39 or HK G3
Pistol: Hi-Power or CZ75
All the above (w/the exception of the Valmet, but it's mags & ammo are interchangeable w/ most AK variants) are rather common in all the countries I've been in, therefore I'm making the assumption that I'd be able to feed off enemy & host gov't forces( friendly or otherwise) that are taking dirt naps.

Fireball
July 11, 2008, 09:56 AM
How about a MK-54 SADM single shot?

Mil-Spec45
July 11, 2008, 01:30 PM
Rifle: Cheap Wal-Mart .22
Pistol: One shot Derringer

RedLion
July 11, 2008, 01:37 PM
"Give me 26 soldiers of lead and I will conquer the world." - Johan Gutenburg

Harpo
July 11, 2008, 03:33 PM
1892 Winchester, SAA Colt!

ccsniper
July 12, 2008, 02:12 PM
my ak 101, and my rra .45

igor
July 12, 2008, 02:52 PM
A SIG 551 with Trijicon Accupoint 21 and a good light. Don't own a SIG now, but have quite some experience with less glorious AK variants, and test drove one some time ago... still went with an AR for competition but for serious discussions I'd definitely prefer the SIG.

Sidearm - definitely a CZ SP-01 decocker with several 26-rounders and a good light.

jhco
July 12, 2008, 02:56 PM
a m60 which i would carry rambo style(with on arm) and a glock 10mm

Old Grump
July 12, 2008, 08:45 PM
1911 45ACP and M1 Garand

Well I am old and its what I'm familiar with and I'm to old to carry around an M2, I'd need a wheelbarrow just for the ammo for the M2.

ripper225
July 13, 2008, 02:48 AM
ak47 + glock .40

chaim
July 13, 2008, 01:17 PM
If I was going into Iraq with the soldiers (G-d help us if they need the help of a 38 year old very overweight shomer shabbos man who hasn't seen any military training since BCT when he was 19) and could bring whatever I wanted I'd pick:

Out of what I own I'd take my AR 15 and SIG 226 or CZ 75B. These aren't necessarily my first choice all else being equal, and an HBAR AR may not be the best combat choice, but resupply is an issue. The AR can use M16/M4 mags and many of its replacement parts. The pistols are my only 9mm pistols and at least I could use the Army's ammo. If I bought something new I'd get a Beretta 92 for the same reason I'd bring the AR.

If we were to supply our own ammo and replacement parts (or if the government would supply us regardless of what we brought) I'd prefer something with more long range power than the AR and more powerful than the 9mm (nothing wrong with good 9mm JHP for self defense, but if using FMJ I want a .45ACP or a .40S&W). I'd probably bring a .308 semi-auto, or a medium caliber bolt rifle. First choice would be an M1A, HK G3, CETME or FN FAL- the range of a .308 (though not quite as accurate as a bolt rifle) but with 20 round mags and faster firing than a bolt rifle for close in battle. For the pistol, I'd probably go with a full-sized 1911 (I love the platform and I love .45ACP). Second choice would be a nice .40S&W- the full-size SIG 226, or my more compact 229 being very high on the list.

RobNDenver
July 13, 2008, 01:54 PM
My Sig 556 with Aimpoint M3 and my Sig P229 with Sig Iron Sights and a CT Laser. I would also make certain I had my Emerson folder and a Karambit hanging from a lanyard around my neck.

If I needed a shotgun, I would carry the Mossberg 590. I just like the action and the safety.

But, I would really like to see every American under arms OUT of Baghdad, as soon as that can be accomplished. I don't want another brother in arms to risk life or limb for these POS in Iraq.

MyTFAL
July 13, 2008, 02:30 PM
FN FAL Para, and HK USP .40

Mil-Spec45
July 13, 2008, 02:42 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj70/R_Evick/White_Sands_03.jpg


Just this...I don't even want a handgun. :cool:

brerrabbit
July 13, 2008, 02:54 PM
self propelled 8 inch howitzer and a glock 21.

And yes, the howitzer is a rifle.

Mp7
July 14, 2008, 06:42 AM
A MP7 and a brick of ammo.

as only weapon.

I believe there will be lots of
M4s and AKs and RPGs and Berettas
and M14s and Dragunovs and and lying around. :)

Jwebb
July 14, 2008, 06:44 AM
AK-47 7.62x39 and my .45 acp

Griff
July 15, 2008, 09:17 PM
M1a, then I could pick up a few AKs
Handgun - whatever's locally popular, prolly some sort of 9mm. Ideally a 1911 or XD in .45 ACP, but ammo availability and all that...

D-Day
July 16, 2008, 05:40 AM
M1A and 1911.

gtmerkley
July 16, 2008, 02:47 PM
I would want something light as I would have to carry it all day and something I can get ammo for. My AR 15 E 2 is not that much lighter then my M 1 but I can get the AR in to action faster and get and carry more and ammo easer. My handgun I would like a 1911 in 45 ACP but it might be hard to get ammo for. Around home If I go up against a pack of wiled dogs or coyotes I grab my 97 win. 12 GA or my AR. my bowie knife and a tomahawk

jakemccoy
July 16, 2008, 02:51 PM
Saiga 308 and Glock 17

reliable, combat accurate, common ammo, high capacity capabilities

Note that these are not necessarily guns I'd choose for my current situation in America.

lawdogso
July 16, 2008, 08:38 PM
M1A and XD45.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f357/lawdogso/IMGP0548.jpg

psp7304
July 17, 2008, 03:23 PM
M-4
Glock 17

HGUNHNTR
July 17, 2008, 03:33 PM
lightweight 16" ar iron sights
glock 17

anyone that said the 1911..................puleeez!:p

The Annoyed Man
July 17, 2008, 03:58 PM
M14 and a hi cap .45

ravenwolf71
July 17, 2008, 05:12 PM
AK or a Saiga .308 & Walther P99 40cal

my1911
July 17, 2008, 05:44 PM
i would take ak47, or a m14 with 1911 45acp sidearm

97guns
July 17, 2008, 05:48 PM
lightweight AR and a hicap pistol for me too, probably a glock 22.

imederi
August 1, 2009, 01:18 PM
Hmnnn. I'd go with AR 7.62X39 and a .44 mag handgun. Yeh, heavy stuff, I know. Also would include folding buck knives (two of 'em).

LRaccuracy
August 1, 2009, 03:45 PM
AR-10 and XD .45 ACP.

Second Choice

AR-15 and USP .45 ACP

bigalexe
August 1, 2009, 05:53 PM
AK47 Rifle (Semi-auto), for the fact its common most anywhere so there's availability of repair parts and ammunition.

9mm Pistol, not enough experience with pistols to pick a brand/model but 9mm is the biggest I feel comfortable shooting and also is high in availability.

On a side note being in the Machine Tool and Drafting Trades with knowledge of automotive repair I've considered what it would take to get me to go work in Iraq as a "Civilian Contractor" and my response is usually this: Yeah sure I'll go work over there for decent pay and with the condition you allow me to carry a firearm of my choice with ammunition at all times, I don't care how safe you say it is, as far as im concerned the entire country is a warzone and the last thing I'm going to do when fired on is NOT be able to defend myself or those around me.

VonClausewitz
August 1, 2009, 05:56 PM
A Luger 08 or a Tokarev to keep the Cannonfodder in line.

msiley
August 1, 2009, 06:04 PM
Longarm:
City: Mossberg 590
Eslewhere: M1A or FAL (if I had one :-)

Sidearm:
CZ 75B in .40 S&W

kansas coyote
August 1, 2009, 10:52 PM
AES/10b (RPK) and 1911 springfield armory 45 acp

federalfarmer
August 1, 2009, 11:53 PM
HK USP .45 for sure and M1A Scout.

Both are good "one hit wonders" :D

isthatajoke?
August 2, 2009, 12:56 AM
I dont own either a rifle or a pistol. But if I had to go into battle, I would take an Ak47 for its great reliability, and a .45 1911 with hollowpoints and a 30 round mag.

If for some reason I ran out of rounds for the AK or it somehow failed, I have a reasonably powerful close range weapon on my hip with non of the capacity drawbacks a pistol with a standard mag has.

isthatajoke?
August 2, 2009, 12:58 AM
A Luger 08 or a Tokarev to keep the Cannonfodder in line.
Someone plays a little too much Call of Duty 5.

RevolvingGarbage
August 2, 2009, 01:08 AM
My choice would be an AC556 (Mini-14 full auto with sidefolding stock) for my primary weapon, and probably a either a USP .45 or most any Sig in .40SW as a sidearm.

I like the operating system and layout of the AC556/Mini-14 alot, and so im willing to look past its somewhat inferior accuracy compared to an M4/M16.

amprecon
August 2, 2009, 01:26 AM
I'd probably go with an M1A with an Aimpoint red dot. For a pistol, it'd have to be my Glock 21.

hoppo
August 2, 2009, 02:20 AM
whatever the enemy has is always a good option as you can remove arms and ammo from them when the threat has been eliminated. although you are limited to the same accurate range as enemy. while you can defend family friends in a secure location against shtf scenario, until law and order reestablish.in an invasion or civil war scenario most people falsely believe that they can defend their house , compound with a4 ak and other small arms, nothing could be further from the truth. tale your family to a combat range and see how badly you proform when under pressure. most defended compounds can be elliminated with rpg, frag or small handmade ied. a compound cannnot be defended against a major force, you can hold out but only for a while until they get a fifty, ordence or armour. if war conventions are in accord, it may even save your families life if u surrender. if this is not an option, then this is when you have to leave home and head for the mountains and you become a refuge, they cant kill you if they cant find you.
then you are probly be limit to what you can carry. our bob gear includeds 9mm glock each and.223 syn stainless, stainless shotgun. son and daughter have .22 lite stainless for hunting. 2 sets n/v goggles whith solar charger, knives axes bivvy bags lite tents vitamins for 2 years. we can carry them but just. hope it dont happen but if it does better to be set up well

Dr. Loomis
August 2, 2009, 03:39 AM
I would have to go with a ST Sig 220 .45 and a Springfield SOCOM 16. If it's the end of the world I trust those two weapons against any foe: nazis, zombies, terrorists, and liberals.

Bishop.357
August 2, 2009, 05:37 AM
For my rifle I whould choose my M63 "Tanker" Mauser chambered in .308 and scoped with a Leupold mark-4 10x40mm optics.For my pistol I whould take my SA XD40sc. I whould'nt call myself an expert shot,but I am very good at both long range marksmenship and close combat tactics.

purebred
August 2, 2009, 05:50 AM
AK 47 And Glock 21sf

John-Melb
August 2, 2009, 06:41 AM
What would I carry Hmmm?

The same bloody thing every other bugger is carrying!

Being seen as "different" in either arms or uniform in an operational area tends to attract unwanted attention from snipers and other unpleasant individuals.

Ky Larry
August 2, 2009, 08:58 AM
Probably an AK-47 and a CZ-75BD in 9mm. I love M-1's and -14's and .45 Colt 1911's but I'd go with ammo availablty. A weapon I can't feed is just a hi-tech club. If I knew I could get ammo, then I'd chose the M-203 and the 1911.

Redneck with a 40
August 2, 2009, 09:32 AM
AR-10 in .308 and an XD-9. I choose 9mm because you can find ammo anywhere, plus .308 is a military cartridge.:)

HexHead
August 2, 2009, 09:38 AM
Pistol: 1911
RIfle: If walking the perimeter my M1 Garand, if going into houses a Steyr AUG.

Joe Demko
August 2, 2009, 10:35 AM
Whatever is in plentiful supply in the area WRT ammunition, magazines, and repair/replacement.

doc2rn
August 2, 2009, 04:52 PM
PPPsH and Glock 18 with tactical wheelbarrel

psp7304
August 2, 2009, 05:08 PM
AR15 and a Glock 17.

Erik M
August 2, 2009, 07:09 PM
midrange, outdoor situation
Ruger Mini-30, Taurus pt92 9mm

CQB
Mossberg 500, Walther PPS .40

THE DARK KNIGHT
August 2, 2009, 07:11 PM
An AK-47 and a 1911A1

hddeluxe
August 2, 2009, 07:27 PM
Utilizing weapons I currently own, it would be a WWII Remington Rand 1911A1 for the hand gun and for the long gun it would be the Marlin Camp 45. This is a good combination since they both use the same ammo (45ACP) and mags thereby making it easier to carry and resupply only one type of ammo.

Zoogster
August 2, 2009, 07:33 PM
Virtually every formal force in combat today wears body armor that will defeat 95% of the firearms posters here have listed.

If your gun can't defeat the enemy by shooting him COM then you need a different caliber.
If you think you are going to be going for head shots, especially during moderate to long range firefights while taking incoming fire...
Ballistic helmets are also standard issue now as well, so only a small portion of the head is even a valid target for many calibers, even more at longer ranges.


When most of Europe started using mail and then plate armor people didn't keep using weapons that excelled against flesh and failed against mail and plate. They adapted.
Adapt your weapon selection or fail.

You can't rely on the only opponent being civilians/poorly equipped insurgents. Even some of them will be well equipped. If the local police/military forces have body armor you can bet some of it will end up in use by insurgents that you will face.
If you face another formal military, they will be wearing body armor, including armor with rifle rated ballistic plates.

doc2rn
August 2, 2009, 07:44 PM
M998 Barrett and a S&W 500 doesnt need to penetrate to kill ya

Dr_2_B
August 2, 2009, 07:50 PM
AK47 and Glock 22

chuckusaret
August 2, 2009, 07:57 PM
Virtually every formal force in combat today wears body armor that will defeat 95% of the firearms posters here have listed.

Sir, have you ever worn the latest body armor in combat? or for that matter any type body armor in a combat situation?

AKElroy
August 2, 2009, 07:59 PM
I would stick with something proven & forgiving. G 19 and my armory USA AK.

AKElroy
August 2, 2009, 08:06 PM
Virtually every formal force in combat today wears body armor that will defeat 95% of the firearms posters here have listed.

I am not a soldier, but this sounds like a silly statement. I have a very close friend who served in the first gulf war. He was clearing a residence, took a center chest AK round from about 10 feet. He was wearing body armor. It still fractured his sternum and nearly killed him. He was out of the fight & down. His buddies dispatched the enemy before anyone else got shot, and he got to spend some time in the field hospital.

AKElroy
August 2, 2009, 08:10 PM
Sir, have you ever worn the latest body armor in combat? or for that matter any type body armor in a combat situation?

Ever served in a forward area? Ever asked a man to put his life in your hands? Ever placed your life in another mans hands? We follow orders or people die. Are we clear?

Sorry--could'nt help myself. Carry on--

jon_in_wv
August 2, 2009, 08:14 PM
Ak47 and a Glock 19.

Matrix187
August 2, 2009, 08:22 PM
I probably already posted before, but my opinion might have changed ;).
For a rifle, a 20" Ar15 /w Eotech and BUIS, and of course spare parts and oil for the ar15. I realize the AK requires less maintenance and has bigger parts that are less likely to break. But, the advantages the AR15 has in handling and accuracy are worth the trade off in my opinion. For a pistol I would opt for an FN Five Seven.

Both the AR15 and FN Five Seven use very light ammunition that you can carry a lot of. That's a big advantage over say .45 or .308.

Erik M
August 2, 2009, 08:47 PM
Virtually every formal force in combat today wears body armor that will defeat 95% of the firearms posters here have listed.
Aim for the face/throat.

30mag
August 2, 2009, 08:57 PM
Rifle: M240
Pistol: XDm in .40 S&W.

Tirod
August 2, 2009, 09:19 PM
As a contractor overseas, a SCAR, and a P7 with two spare mags.

The battle rifle I prefer was the G3, I bought and used an HK91. BUT, they are heavy, especially in .308. The SCAR is the next gen better, with a common mag and caliber to keep filled up.

The P7 will do, as most pistol use is either deep urban or ceremonial. A 1911 is a dead giveaway, and will get you there, hard to find ammo for worldwide, and because of the multitude of versions, a hopeless basket case finding parts, unless it was GI issue. The P7 is more durable, reliable, and easier to shoot, with plentiful ammo.

From my closet - ready for this? A Winchester 94 and G19. I can find ammo anywhere in America. The .30-30 is the ballistic equivalent to 7.62 by 39, which gives better knockdown and range than our current US varmint round. It's public friendly in the US, as much as any other gun will get a 911 call, and the G19 nearly the same. Neither will make you as much a target as the elitist or boutique suburbanite guns mentioned, and in many cases are more reliable and accurate. After all, you aren't "capable" of full auto - but certainly capable of rapid accurate fire. That can remain a deadly misconception on their part.

Had I more money, a M1A Scout rifle, and Browning HiPower, which is what the Man himself blessed as a superior generation better than the 1911.

Shadow 7D
August 2, 2009, 09:26 PM
But the entire premise is silly

I'm done having to lug that s... stuff

What ever gets me out alive, like not getting in a gunfight and running away.

jbrown50
August 2, 2009, 09:35 PM
Carbine:
HK417
Reliable gas system, very accurate, select fire, good penetrating longer range 7.62x51mm .308 round.

Handgun:
Glock 19
Lightweight, reliable, compact, simple design, point and shoot, easy to find 9x19mm round.

It's difficult for me to get excited about a handgun when considering all of the stuff a soldier has to carry (40 - 50 lbs, not including vest, helmet, ammo magazines for the battle rifle, etc) in a battle/armed conflict situation but I would want one for a backup in case my carbine got damaged/disabled in a close-in firefight.

Tim the student
August 3, 2009, 01:52 AM
An M4 with something better than FMJ's will suit me just fine. I like the rifle a lot, just not the ammo we used.

For pistols, I'll defer to people who know about pistols, but an M9 did literally save one guy's life last time I was in Iraq.

Joe Demko
August 3, 2009, 11:05 AM
Aim for the face/throat.

Easy to say.
Not so easy to do.

7mmBeltedMag
August 3, 2009, 11:09 AM
for me it would be a

Cetme .308 with the 20rd mag
and a 1911 for the sidearm

jimmyraythomason
August 3, 2009, 12:22 PM
I would choose a Mini-14 with a full length synthetic stock and PROVEN 30 round magazines. For a handgun I would choose my Ruger P90 or S&W 686.

Deltaboy
August 3, 2009, 12:27 PM
Rifle !:D

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 3, 2009, 02:10 PM
Robinson XCR, in 5.56x45mm.

Savage Striker, 14" bbl, .260 Rem, scoped (for those longer shots).

CoRoMo
August 3, 2009, 02:16 PM
T/C Hawken .50 cal flint lock

1851 Navy .44 cal

:p

HardShell
August 3, 2009, 02:42 PM
The ones I am the most trained/practiced with and with which I shoot the best, personally -- for me that's an AR and a Glock, hand-down.

leftymachinist
August 3, 2009, 04:27 PM
I'll take the M-14/M1A & my ole "Pokerizer" 4 inch S&W M27. These are what I know best, they haven't failed me since I'm still here.

kwelz
August 3, 2009, 05:11 PM
M4 and an M&P 9

FlyinBryan
August 3, 2009, 05:19 PM
rifle
excellent choice

PAPACHUCK
August 3, 2009, 07:10 PM
Of what I own, it would be my fully converted 21" Saiga 308 with my XD45 Tactical.

Tomahawk
August 3, 2009, 07:18 PM
AK 74 or variant, glock or makarov.

chuckusaret
August 3, 2009, 08:22 PM
Ever served in a forward area? Ever asked a man to put his life in your hands? Ever placed your life in another mans hands? We follow orders or people die. Are we clear?

That is done every day by many people and not in a combat situation and with very limited firepower and little body armor here in good old America. Body armor does save some lives in combat but very few people that take a direct shot or a direct hit with shrapnel while wearing body armor get away without major injuries.

EvanWilliams
August 3, 2009, 09:20 PM
Out of my safe? Glock 33 and Mini 14.
Out of my dream safe? MIA and glock 33.

RDCL
August 3, 2009, 10:09 PM
A "GI" style 1911 .45 pistol and a Stoner M63a.

http://home.comcast.net/~sfischer397/stoner/stonerpics/63a1.jpg

Winston_Smith
August 3, 2009, 10:20 PM
Urban: G34 and PARA FAL

Open Land: G34 and M1A

ThrottleJockey72
August 3, 2009, 10:23 PM
City streets: AK or any comparable 7.62mm, and XD.45
Open country: Any 30-06, and XD.45
(this opinion is based solely on what I currently own and could just grab and go)

RP88
August 3, 2009, 10:38 PM
don't remember if I posted here since this is an old topic, but I have since added to my collection, and my two choices would be my Glock 17 and my Middie AR. I would also bring my AK if a third weapon were allowed.

and yea, the body armor we have is rated to stop any conventional bullet, but usually only once, but it does not absorb the power of its impact being imparted into the person wearing it. Even a glancing shot is gonna put you on your butt, and stun and scare the crap out of you. A direct hit is going to cause severe damage to the vest, and impart a lot of concussive trauma into the flesh behind it.

kw11b2p
August 3, 2009, 10:39 PM
As a combat veteran of the war on terror there is no other weapon frame I would rather go into battle with than the M-4. I would however want it chambered in the hard to find 6mm varients like the 6.8mm panther and about four inches longer on the barrel. I'm going to get flack for opting away from the 5.56 but I have personally seen it in action and I would prefer something with a little more punch without the weight of something like a .308 (just try humping that stuff up a mountain!) The four to six inches would allow for increased accuracy in todays battle field which is vastly more open (desert and mountain) than the battle field we were fighting in when the M4 was first designed. These additions would make it a serious punch for an assault rifle that is compact but still lethal out to a phenominal range for a contemporary assault rifle.

For a sidearm I stand by and old adage........If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And therefore the 1911 design would be my first and probably only choice, possibly with a little trigger work.

FOR EVERYONE THAT SAID AN AK-47 WOULD BE THERE FIRST CHOICE YOU'VE OBVIOSLY NEVER BEEN SHOT AT BY ONE. WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THEM AN ACCURATE THREAT BEYOND ABOUT 150 METERS. JUST TRY SHIFTING FROM POSITION TO POSITION FROM ANYTHING CLOSER THAN 300-450 METERS WHEN YOUR IN THE CROSS HAIRS OF AN M4......IT WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR LAST

Beldegg
October 10, 2009, 11:57 PM
Your question was posed very badly. The gun you cho0se would have a lot to do with who you are. If you have no time to clean it, and have no sophisticated logistics network; you want a belted M60. Its the only gun that will survive in the desert, unsupported, for any length of time. Second choice, would be an AK 47 pattern rifle, with a glock for backup.
If you are a US soldier, or a contractor with enough time and space to clean it frequently, with a good logistics systems in place, you want an M 16 pattern rifle, with a 1911 backup.
If you are a civilian with no time, rest, or space, with no logistical backup. You want 1903 bolt action rifle. Snipe off whoever you meet, and take what they have.

Magnumdood
October 11, 2009, 12:17 AM
Pillar-bedded Springfield M1A SOCOM, and optics, and my Glock 20 with the extended 6" slide and barrel.

AKElroy
October 11, 2009, 12:20 AM
Ak & g17.

lamebums
October 11, 2009, 12:54 AM
AK and 1911.

And one of those .22 rifles that break down into pieces to be stored away.

kmcintosh78
October 11, 2009, 10:20 AM
Would have to say my Saiga 308, and my Glock 23.

kmcintosh78
October 11, 2009, 10:23 AM
As a combat veteran of the war on terror there is no other weapon frame I would rather go into battle with than the M-4. I would however want it chambered in the hard to find 6mm varients like the 6.8mm panther and about four inches longer on the barrel. I'm going to get flack for opting away from the 5.56 but I have personally seen it in action and I would prefer something with a little more punch without the weight of something like a .308 (just try humping that stuff up a mountain!) The four to six inches would allow for increased accuracy in todays battle field which is vastly more open (desert and mountain) than the battle field we were fighting in when the M4 was first designed. These additions would make it a serious punch for an assault rifle that is compact but still lethal out to a phenominal range for a contemporary assault rifle.

For a sidearm I stand by and old adage........If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And therefore the 1911 design would be my first and probably only choice, possibly with a little trigger work.

FOR EVERYONE THAT SAID AN AK-47 WOULD BE THERE FIRST CHOICE YOU'VE OBVIOSLY NEVER BEEN SHOT AT BY ONE. WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THEM AN ACCURATE THREAT BEYOND ABOUT 150 METERS. JUST TRY SHIFTING FROM POSITION TO POSITION FROM ANYTHING CLOSER THAN 300-450 METERS WHEN YOUR IN THE CROSS HAIRS OF AN M4......IT WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR LAST
I would have to agree that yes, the AK is not known for long range, or even mid range accuracy. But I will say that my Saiga AK 308 is accurate out to 200 yards.
The AK in the 7.62x39 is a spray and pray gun.

EvanWilliams
October 11, 2009, 10:28 AM
SOCOM-16 and Glock 33.

possom813
October 11, 2009, 10:37 AM
Ak and P89

rmmoore
October 12, 2009, 02:27 AM
I like the AR platform and 5.56, generally speaking. But, I want something with a bigger bang for my buck if it's my life (or my family), and I have a CHOICE.

For a sidearm, give me a 1911 in .45ACP with a half dozen or so spare mags. I don't need a tack driver as sidearms are not intended to engage targets at distances, that's what a rifle is for. I need something with a BIG thump and a whack when it hits at close range (you got to love those scientific terms). The 1911 and .45 have been around almost a century because they WORK.

The rifle is a bit more difficult. I think either a Springfield SOCOM, Springfield Tanker, or a variation of the FN-FAL in .308 (ok, ok 7.62 for the purists) would be my choice. I'd probably go with a Paratrooper (shorter) version of the FAL. The M1A platform is a proven design, but the FAL has a longer track record than the SOCOM or Tanker as compared with their full size M1A counterpart. Think South Africa, Angola, the Congo, ect. (hell, the ENTIRE Continent of Africa during the 60's, 70's, and 80's).

Agree or disagree, those are MY choices, and they're probably not for everyone. But that's ok too.

hddeluxe
October 13, 2009, 09:07 PM
Since I want maximum firepower, only one caliber ammo, interchangable magazines, and portabality, I would go with my Marlin Camp .45 carbine and my 1911A1 in .45ACP. Takes care of the up close work and anything out to 100 yards. Most fire fights don't occur beyond those ranges.

Bolt
October 13, 2009, 10:38 PM
I would use an MP5 for my "rifle"
if your gonna compaine about it i know its not a rifle but i rather it for urban combat, if thats not good enough for some of you i would use my .270 bolt for my rifle.

For my sidearm i would use a 1911 .45 acp.

Dr. Fresh
October 14, 2009, 12:14 AM
Out of my safe, I'd take my Chinese SKS and S&W M59.

scythefwd
October 14, 2009, 01:04 AM
AK or AR and a 9mm Barretta. It would be easiest to find ammo for them, and I know I could pick up a mag off the ground if I run out of ammo. If I could get a SAW or minimi instead of the AR, I would be happier. It is amazing what one man can do with a sustained, accurate, aimed, and high rate of fire.

TimM
October 14, 2009, 01:16 AM
HK-91 and a Glock 34. Can't believe I just said that.

cleardiddion
October 14, 2009, 01:58 AM
Well from what I own and where I usually hang out:
I'll take either my Mosin M-38 or 91/30 and my Pa-63.

It's what I have and it's what I know.
Plus I can't seem to break any of them.

doberman
October 14, 2009, 02:11 AM
A good pair of running shoes and a plane ticket outa there!:neener:

Jvpwtf69
October 14, 2009, 09:59 AM
Thanks guys....if i had more money i would be asking advice on AR-15's.....but i have shot the ak already a dozen times and it is pretty descent at 100 yds......i just wanted an opinion on either that or a better gun....so........... ak 47, sks, kel-tec, or mosin nagant?or any cheap rifle that is not a 22lr

chuckusaret
October 14, 2009, 10:05 AM
I would take my Rimington 700 or my 91/30 anyday.

Jvpwtf69
October 14, 2009, 10:12 AM
What is a good bullit for a 7.62x54r

chuckusaret
October 14, 2009, 10:52 AM
I use the cheap stuff from ammoman.com or J&G for plinking. I have been using Lellier & Bellot 180gr soft point hunting ammo, made in Czech for serious target practice.

cleardiddion
October 14, 2009, 10:56 AM
FMJ that you go dig up in that Ukranian farmer's field worked 50 years ago and it works now too :p

MM60
October 14, 2009, 12:11 PM
Handgun: Glock 19 - with three 15-round mags and three 33-round mags (accepts mags from the more common Glock 17, accepts hi-cap mags, uses widely available 9mmx19 NATO ammo)

Rifle: Bushmaster Carbon 15 R97S - with seven 30-round mags (widely available parts, lightweight, will not rust or corrode, uses widely availablel 5.56x45 NATO ammo)

Shotgun: Mossberg 590 Mariner 12ga - with Butler Creek folding stock (widely available parts, will not rust, uses widely available 12ga ammo)

*The long guns are DuraCoated in a pattern similar to MultiCam, so the stainless won't affect concealability.
http://matuman60.tripod.com/mattmanncustomghilliesuits/id4.html

Bohemus
October 14, 2009, 01:07 PM
Its obvious.
Otherwise i would choose Sig SIG 542 for 7,62x51 or Steyr AUG for 5,56, Pistol: CZ75 SP-01 Shadow anyway.

Sawyer Bar
October 14, 2009, 02:03 PM
357 mag and socom 16 w/2x7 scope

happygeek
October 14, 2009, 09:19 PM
Colt M4 with Elcan SpecterDR, LA-5, and BUIS. I'd prefer a Sig 1911, but the Beretta 92FS has given me no issues yet. Of course, don't forget the body armor.

NMGonzo
October 14, 2009, 09:44 PM
Glock .40

FN FAL 7.62 NATO

FN_man_08
October 14, 2009, 11:17 PM
For a handgun I would say probably an FNP9. I had one of those and it was accurate and gobbled up ever single round ever put through it with not so much as a hiccup. As for a rifle, I would say an M4.

Yellowfin
October 14, 2009, 11:26 PM
Probably an AR in 6.5 or 6.8 with a 1911 of some variety, much like everyone else here.

carbon9mm
January 22, 2010, 12:03 PM
ak for urban short range, or colt hbar for long, and handgun would gotta be g17L

BURN
January 22, 2010, 12:08 PM
M4A1 or M16A3 for the rifle and either a glock 21 or nice 1911

smallbore
January 22, 2010, 04:42 PM
Socom and a 1911.

Enachos
January 22, 2010, 04:52 PM
M249 and a Glock 22

trol79
January 22, 2010, 06:20 PM
Handgun: glock 17 or 21, sigsauerP226, H&K USP springfield 1911. Urban: mossberg or M3 benelli. Else:H&K G36,AK47, or for sniping: remington700 with 4X or 5X-scope & double-core ammo. PLUS: multicam/ DKsnoe-clothes, a good knife and smoke grenades.:cool:

michiganfan
January 22, 2010, 06:37 PM
M4 and a glock 19

ol' scratch
January 22, 2010, 10:36 PM
M-14 and a 1911a1.

MTMilitiaman
January 22, 2010, 10:45 PM
If I was a contractor or otherwise thought I would have access to NATO/Western ammunition, I'd rock a Mk 14 Mod 0 with a IOR 1.5-8 and SEi DC can, and just cause I've always thought it would be fun as hell, a Glock 18.

If I thought logistics could be a problem, I'd use whatever the enemy was using. Since this would probably be ComBloc, I'd try find an RPK or a Krink, depending on how mobile and how inconspicuous I was trying to be.

The M1A and the AK is where it is at for me right now. They are the platforms I have the most confidence in, so no matter what the situation, if either of them is available, I probably not turning them down.

shotgunsrfun
January 22, 2010, 11:07 PM
ak47 and a peace maker (6 shooter)

ConstitutionCowboy
January 22, 2010, 11:09 PM
AR 10 and a 1911.

Woody

MTMilitiaman
January 22, 2010, 11:17 PM
FOR EVERYONE THAT SAID AN AK-47 WOULD BE THERE FIRST CHOICE YOU'VE OBVIOSLY NEVER BEEN SHOT AT BY ONE. WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THEM AN ACCURATE THREAT BEYOND ABOUT 150 METERS. JUST TRY SHIFTING FROM POSITION TO POSITION FROM ANYTHING CLOSER THAN 300-450 METERS WHEN YOUR IN THE CROSS HAIRS OF AN M4......IT WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR LAST

You'd be lucky to be alive to sing a different tune if it had been me shooting at you with my AK. At 150 yards, you literally don't stand a chance if you're not moving with the quickness or I'm not being engaged by your buddies. If I am initiating contact, 200 yards is a done deal for me with my AK, as it is for just about any semi-competent rifleman with any centerfire rifle.

I could score consistent hits on a 1 gallon laundry dettergent bottle at 150 yards with iron sights back before my WASR had upgraded furniture, back when it still had hellacious trigger slap...

MinnMooney
January 22, 2010, 11:25 PM
An select fire M-16 or AK-47

A Springfield-Armory XDm-45

Lots and lots of mags filled with HP ammo!

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