Yes it is true CCW does work!


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Eric F
July 9, 2008, 03:30 PM
http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-now-hamptonteen.j9,0,6813481.story

This is the third time in 2 weeks were citizens had guns in this area and defended themselves effectively!

Newport News teen arrested, charged in robbery
NEWPORT NEWS - A Newport News teen attempting to rob a man at gunpoint was shot in the leg by his intended victim on Tuesday and was subsequently arrested and charged with robbery.

Police spokesman Harold Eley said the 16-year-old male attempted to rob at man at gunpoint in the back yard of a residence on 25th Street around 3:10 p.m. Tuesday. The intended victim told police that he pulled out his own gun and shot the robbery suspect, who then fled on foot.

The 16-year-old was located one block away suffering from a gunshot wound in his upper right leg. He was transported to a local hospital, where he was treated and then released into police custody.

The juvenile, whose name has not been released to the media because of his age, was charged with robbery and the use of a firearm in commission of a felony. Police also charged him in a July 6 carjacking on Aqua Vista Drive.



He is being held in the city's juvenile detention facility.
Eley said the man who shot the teen did not have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The gun has been seized, but no charges have been filed. Eley said the commonwealth's attorney would determine whether to prosecute the intended victim on any firearms charges.

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herr.baer
July 9, 2008, 03:34 PM
Problem is he didn't have a CCW. :banghead:

Eley said the man who shot the teen did not have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The gun has been seized, but no charges have been filed.

Eric F
July 9, 2008, 03:36 PM
OOPS didnt make the whole Quote!

I never said he was legal..........I just said ccw worked.

jrfoxx
July 9, 2008, 03:50 PM
I know in some states that one can carry concealed with no permit on private property if they have the permission of the property/buisiness owner. Is that not the case in VA?

Granted, even if it is, the guy may not have had that permission, as we dont know if he was at a friend or relatives home, or was just taking a shortcut thru a yard, etc, but I'm still crious if anyone knows if VA allows CCW W/out ap ermit in the case I mention.If so, and the guy was at the home of someone he knew, and was there for a legit reason, if he may not be ok. Always a shame when what would otherwise bee a clean SD shoot that helps prove what we all say about CCW/OC gets blown by something like this, and ends up as a Brady statistic as a "crime gun" and a "criminal shooting".

bmitchell
July 9, 2008, 03:51 PM
What evidence is there that he was carrying concealed?

SHOOT1SAM
July 9, 2008, 03:52 PM
I don't understand something here:

This took place in the backyard of a residence; since it was not in public, why would the absence of a CCW permit make any difference??

Sam

Eric F
July 9, 2008, 04:02 PM
In Va as far as private property goes I am almost certian you either need to 1. be the property owner or 2. have permission of the property owner. to ccw. Let me look at the state police siteThe intended victim told police that he pulled out his own gun and shot the robbery suspect kinda vague here but the local tv news said the gun was consealed also if he had open carried there would be no reason for the police to take the weapon and no charges could be filed, if he was legal to carry the gun.

this is what I could find in the Va laws§18.2-308 (O.): Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited.In this case I can only assume that he did not have permission from the owner.

And this too--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A Permit is Not Necessary in the Following Circumstances:


Any person while in his own place of abode or the curtilage thereof.
Any person while in his own place of business;
Any law-enforcement officer, wherever such law-enforcement officer may travel in the Commonwealth;
Any regularly enrolled member of a target shooting organization who is at, or going to or from, an established shooting range, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;
Any regularly enrolled member of a weapons collecting organization who is at, or going to or from, a bona fide weapons exhibition, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;
Any person carrying such weapons between his place of abode and a place of purchase or repair, provided the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;
Any person actually engaged in lawful hunting, as authorized by the Board of Game and Inland Fisheries, under inclement weather conditions necessitating temporary protection of his firearm from those conditions. Possession of a handgun while engaged in lawful hunting shall not be construed as hunting with a handgun if the person hunting is carrying a valid concealed handgun permit;
Any State Police officer retired from the Department of State Police, any local law-enforcement officer retired from a police department or sheriff's office within the Commonwealth and any special agent retired from the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, any game warden retired from the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, and any Virginia Marine Police officer retired from the Law Enforcement Division of the Virginia Marine Resources Commission (i) with a service-related disability or (ii) following at least 15 years of service with any such law-enforcement agency, board or any combination thereof or(iii) who has reached 55 years of age, other than an officer or agent terminated by cause, with any such law-enforcement agency, board or any combination thereof, other than a person terminated for cause, provided such officer carries with him written proof of consultation with and favorable review of the need to carry a concealed handgun issued by the chief law-enforcement officer of the last such agency from which the officer retired or, in the case of special agents, issued by the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board. A copy of the proof of consultation and favorable review shall be forwarded by the chief or the Board to the Department of State Police for entry into the Virginia Criminal Information Network. The chief law-enforcement officer shall not without cause withhold such written proof if the retired law-enforcement officer otherwise meets the requirements of this section.
For purposes of applying the reciprocity provisions of subsection P, any person granted the privilege to carry a concealed handgun pursuant to this subdivision, while carrying the proof of consultation and favorable review required, shall be deemed to have been issued a concealed handgun permit.

romma
July 9, 2008, 04:48 PM
Um, I was Open Carrying officer! The suspect just didn't see my gun... :evil:

skoro
July 9, 2008, 04:56 PM
If the shooter was in his own back yard, why would he need a permit? The story doesn't mention whose back yard was the scene of the incident, though... :confused:

jrfoxx
July 9, 2008, 05:05 PM
Well, based on the fact that VA law seems to allow the scenario I mentioned, there is hope that they just took the gun for evidence and/or to "hold" while they sort things out, and it will turn out that he is clear of the no permit thing, with the property owner backing him saying he was ok with the guy carrying. The fact they didn't charge him (yet) is a little encouraging that he may be ok for the reasons mentioned, and this will turn out to be a win for our side, and not a stat for sara brady. Hopefully we get a little more in this later, but I wont hold my breath, as a follow-up story about him being cleared in this is not really a "grabber" kinda story like a shooting, and the implied "bad shoot" with them mentioning he had no permit, and they took the gun.Not the kind of thing the MSM tends to follow upon, as it isn't "sensational" or fitting any agenda (for those who feel the media tends to have one, and I generally agree the evidence as a whole tends to point that way when it comes to guns)

MakAttak
July 9, 2008, 05:16 PM
For all those wondering why they took the gun:

Because they can.

I am no basher of the police, but the government in the Norfolk area is SERIOUSLY anti-gun.

Eric F
July 9, 2008, 05:23 PM
I am no basher of the police, but the government in the Norfolk area is SERIOUSLY anti-gun.

Well I dont know about that but they sure can be rough.......in this casw guilty or not the shooter may be free of charges any way. It has happened before. I sit here daily and listed to the Newport News Fire Department run shooting after shooting in that area. If the shooter is other wisa a good boy I think he has a good chance to go free and have his gun returned with a stern warning to get his CCW. It has happened before.

mbt2001
July 9, 2008, 05:23 PM
Just to keep with tradition on this board, in Texas there is a Defense of Necessity:

§ 9.22. NECESSITY. Conduct is justified if:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the conduct is
immediately necessary to avoid imminent harm;
(2) the desirability and urgency of avoiding the harm
clearly outweigh, according to ordinary standards of
reasonableness, the harm sought to be prevented by the law
proscribing the conduct; and
(3) a legislative purpose to exclude the justification
claimed for the conduct does not otherwise plainly appear.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994.

:neener:

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