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Hunter0924
July 9, 2008, 08:32 PM
My friend Rich at Colt sent me an email yesterday about the new Colt pistol coming out in (I believe) August.
Another upgraded Colt classic is brought back in 2008 with the return of the Model O8011XSE; the Colt Combat Elite.

Once again, Colt’s Manufacturing Company LLC returns to its roots. Where quality and workmanship are demanded, Colt has once again met and exceeded the expectations of its customers. With new and exciting features this iconic legend is styled for the combat-style match shooter. A great addition to any collection or avid shooting enthusiast, new features for 2008 bring rosewood grips, a Smith & Alexander upswept beavertail grip safety, Colt single side tactical safety, and other standard features of the XSE Series.

Where history meets Modern Era, the heart and soul of Colt’s quality is still derived from its forged stainless steel frame and forged carbon steel slide. With the helping of a time honored tradition of American Craftsmanship, once again, Quality Makes It A Colt. In today’s world of polymers, investment castings, short cuts, time & cost savings, Colt continues to ask, “Show Me Your Forging”.

Features:

• Front & Rear Slide Serrations
• White Dot Carry Sights
• Skeletonized 3-Hole Trigger
• Combat Hammer with Elongated Slot
• Enhanced Tolerances
• 8 + 1 Capacity
• Rosewood Grips
• Smith & Alexander Upswept Beavertail Safety
• ‘New’ Colt Single Side Tactical Thumb Safety
• Two-Tone Finish
• Chambered in .45 ACP


http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/Hunter1911/newcombatelite.jpg

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Dobe
July 9, 2008, 11:54 PM
Nice. Is this based upon the Series 80 or 70?

weisse52
July 10, 2008, 12:32 AM
I am sure it will be another overpriced, underdone 1911. Poor quality, crappy accuracy, no where near the match of the modern "tupperware" pistols. Colt needs to move into the 21st Century.


Of course I will line up to buy one as soon as I can.:neener:

A Colt is always the right answer....:evil:

IZinterrogator
July 10, 2008, 12:33 AM
So basically, they reintroduced the Gunsite Pistol, but gave it a different trigger and made it a two-tone. I like it, but I'd like it better if it wasn't a two-tone. I'd be interested in knowing if it was a series 70 or 80, also.

Hunter0924
July 10, 2008, 12:52 AM
It is a Series 80 and based on the XSE.
Currently Colt does not have a bi tone pistol in it's line up and this is to fill the spot for those who like the bi tone look.
I am hoping Colt is going to send me one to test.
I will keep yall in the loop.

weisse52
July 10, 2008, 12:53 AM
I agree, I would rather it be the 70 series. But I like the looks of this enough to ignore my rule of no FPS pistols.

Hunter0924
July 10, 2008, 11:58 AM
The MSRP is going to be around $983.

kentucky_smith
July 10, 2008, 12:04 PM
Be great if it didn't have the front serrations.

rellascout
July 10, 2008, 12:13 PM
Kentucky I agree. Here is my version. I need to put Novak sites on it and I am done.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/19112.jpg

nero45acp
July 10, 2008, 12:42 PM
I'd rather buy two RIAs and a bunch of ammo....


nero

texagun
July 10, 2008, 12:43 PM
Be great if it didn't have the front serrations.

Amen to that!!! Is Colt Listening?

larry starling
July 10, 2008, 02:22 PM
Great news! I for one am still waiting for the return of the Delta!!! :D

tinygnat219
July 10, 2008, 10:29 PM
Feh...

Underwhelming. When Colt decided to get out of the civilian business years ago, they have never recovered.

They need a new design, a decent price, and Glocklike reliability.

Stevie-Ray
July 11, 2008, 12:37 AM
A Colt is always the right answer....Amen, and here's another that I'll probably want..........

gtmerkley
July 11, 2008, 01:38 AM
nice!

mtngunr
July 11, 2008, 01:56 AM
Cast steel Filipino RIA's and ammo....a certain course to long term happiness and return on investment for heirs, to be sure.

Colt sells all the guns they can make WITHOUT ads in mags/bribes to rags....they're not out of the civilian market, and haven't been, just ask us 1911 and SAA owners....as for Glock-like reliability, happy to say that's not the case....probably better....and Colt 1911's haven't avoided recalls by offering "upgrades", unlike Glock....but I'm sure Glock-owner grandkids will be thanking their far-seeing grandparents for the fine investment when the plastic dries out and cracks.

Old Dog
July 11, 2008, 01:58 AM
Argh! I just have to chime in on this thread. In another thread, I mentioned that the last three Kimbers I bought new were better 1911s -- for the money spent -- than the last three Colts I purchased.

The last three Colts I purchased were just not up to par. In a fit of nostalgia, I paid over $850 for a stainless Series 70 repro. It is not nearly the pistol the Springfield Armory stainless Mil-Spec I bought a couple years ago is ... Fit and finish, slide-to-frame fit, accuracy: the SA Mil-Spec is simply a better pistol -- and it cost me only $515 at time of purchase.

I'm done with new Colts. I still love my pre-Series 80 LW Commander, my Combat Commander and my old, old Gov't Model -- but the XSE and the 1991 leave me cold. SA and Kimber (even with more MIM parts) give me far more for the money -- frontstrap checkering, Novak/Meprolight night-sights, tighter fit, better accuracy -- today, you're paying only for the "Colt's" name on the slide.

Hunter0924
July 11, 2008, 02:22 AM
I disagree Old Dog that you are paying for the Colt name.
I have nothing bad to say about any of my Colts or the ones I have shot.
I in turn have not had great luck with Kimber at all.
I really was not looking to turn this into a pro or anti Colt thread just bringing my friends at THR new news for those who are interested.
Like it or hate it, fine by me.

mtngunr
July 11, 2008, 02:30 AM
Hunter, same with mine.....pity you can't announce a new Colt without folk jumping in, and jumping on, Colt....I don't do that on Glock, RIA, or anyone else's threads....too bad the courtesy isn't returned....nice looking new gun, but far too modern for my tastes....

Old Dog
July 11, 2008, 02:39 AM
Hunter, I wasn't trying to turn this into an anti-Colt thread. It's simply that I believe the Colt name doesn't mean what it used to ... in my opinion, Colt quality hasn't been up to snuff in recent years. I am a huge fan of Colt autopistols. I will continue buying new Colts in the hope that the company will again deliver me a pistol worthy of the Colt name.

I believe -- and this is only only one man's opinion -- that both SA and Kimber -- and perhaps Dan Wesson (CZ) are currently producing better 1911s for the retail prices asked.

outerlimit
July 11, 2008, 02:43 AM
Every new 1911 release looks the same as the previous one. 1911 makers have really gotten into a rut with their skeletonized three hole triggers, ugly skeletonized ring hammer, unnecessary beavertails and forward serrations. It's getting to be a running joke already.

These manufactures should try adding some features that would actually enhance the gun, like some line checkering on the front strap and a beveled magwell. Also sticking to parts made from barstock and honing the mainspring housing wouldn't hurt either. And a nice chrome lined barrel. An extractor made from the proper spring steel...

steveracer
July 11, 2008, 04:42 AM
At least they fitted the grip safety. All the new Colt guns with beavertail that I have seen the safety wasn't even slightly blended. Anyone know why they don't do this? I love Colt handguns, and am looking for another when I get home, but I don't understand this practice.

berkbw
July 11, 2008, 04:58 AM
Hunter - I always enjoy your evaluations, and I will await this one. You, more than likely, will get one to try.

b-

texagun
July 11, 2008, 10:03 AM
They need a new design, a decent price, and Glocklike reliability.

Oh, you mean reliability like cracked frames, broken rails, busted trigger springs, and ka-booms caused by improper chamber support? Some folks prefer real steel guns to plastic guns. I own both and have had more problems with polymer guns than with any steel gun like the 1911 that has been around for the past 90 years and is still going strong. I have bought several new Colts in the past few years and the quality in the guns I have found has been excellent. To each his own.

Hunter0924
July 11, 2008, 01:04 PM
Just to address a few points outerlimit brought up.
Front strap checkering by many is unwanted and even more so a extended magwell (the Colt magwells are beveled).
Colt does use quality steel in it's internals and as for the extractor where are you getting your information from?
What is the reasoning for a chromed lined barrel in a Government Model?
Colt pistols are still hand built and fitted the old way. They have begun to buy and set up CNC machinery (the reason for my next visit to Colt is to see this) and so times are changing.
Many companies try to improve on the "1911" by changing the specs and there in lies the trouble (Kimber).
Now I am not defending Colt so much as trying to set the story straight. Lord knows they have made their share of mistakes (Double Eagle, Colt Cowboy) in designs and decisions.
For the most part I believe Colt does try to do right by their customers and have made vast improvments over the years.
Again not trying to defend them of justify anything. The new pistol is a bit modern looking (I prefer my 1991A1) but I see the thought behind the pistol. Look at all the different models Kimber or S&W has out.
If Colt sends me one to test I will test it with an open mind, if it turns out to be junk I will say so but if it works great the forward cocking serrations nor Series 80 FPS would not stop me from likeing it.
Mtngunr good to see you around.

45auto
July 11, 2008, 01:25 PM
At that price, it will sell IMO. At least an increase for Colt's small volume levels.

They do "need" to offer it without slide serrations IMO. Easy to do, satisfy everyone...no brainer!!

wheelgunslinger
July 11, 2008, 01:35 PM
what's the big deal about slide serrations on the 1911?

strat81
July 11, 2008, 01:46 PM
what's the big deal about slide serrations on the 1911?
Front serrations look terrible. My STI has them and I hate them.

tinygnat219
July 11, 2008, 02:39 PM
Colt sells all the guns they can make WITHOUT ads in mags/bribes to rags....they're not out of the civilian market, and haven't been, just ask us 1911 and SAA owners
Then please explain the 1911 Colts that have been sitting in my local store's case for the past year and a half. Their SAAs definitely sell well, but tend to require fit and finishing to get the springs / actions "right", and they tend to have different throat widths coming out of the cylinder.

....as for Glock-like reliability, happy to say that's not the case....probably better....
Definitely agree to disagree here since you don't offer any statistics or anything.

Colt has turned into a 2 design company that lives on the legend of its past while offering little to no reason to own one.

farscott
July 11, 2008, 02:48 PM
what's the big deal about slide serrations on the 1911?The cocking serrations on the front of the slide act like wood rasps on leather holsters. Other than that, there is no functional issue with front cocking serrations. However, some including me, do not like the look of them and do not use them to press check.

Of course, every Colt 1911 I have ever owned has gotten a carry bevel to stop it from chewing my skin, my clothes, and my holsters.

outerlimit
July 11, 2008, 03:21 PM
]Just to address a few points outerlimit brought up.
Front strap checkering by many is unwanted and even more so a extended magwell (the Colt magwells are beveled).
Colt does use quality steel in it's internals and as for the extractor where are you getting your information from?
What is the reasoning for a chromed lined barrel in a Government Model?
Colt pistols are still hand built and fitted the old way. They have begun to buy and set up CNC machinery (the reason for my next visit to Colt is to see this) and so times are changing.
Many companies try to improve on the "1911" by changing the specs and there in lies the trouble (Kimber).

My critique was not of Colt, but of the 1911 pistols being manufactured in general! I like Colt very much. Just not so much the pistols they are currently producing. The re-release of the Delta Elite was everything I had feared it would be and worse. Not that the original Delta was perfect, but a plastic guide rod is easy enough to fix and the frame cracking problem was fixed very early on.

My Colt is not beveled, but I believe the Combat Elites are. I never mentioned an extended magwell. I have to disagree about the front strap checkering and say that I believe some form of it would be preferred by most over a smooth front grip. The reason for hard chroming a barrel is for improved barrel life and increased velocity. However the down side is that the hard chroming can chip causing a deterioration of both.

rellascout
July 11, 2008, 03:35 PM
A lot of Colts don't sell because people over price them. Colt offers something that most 1911 production companies do not. A stock gun that has been assembled and made by hand not cut with CNC machines and then blessed ina 20 minute assembly session.

I love when people bitch about Colt. If you do not see value don't buy them. If you can make money making only 2 things why would you feel the need to make 20?

Spartacus451
July 11, 2008, 03:44 PM
Are the sights dovetailed and if so what type of dovetail?

Colt offers something that most 1911 production companies do not. A stock gun that has been assembled and made by hand not cut with CNC machines and then blessed ina 20 minute assembly session.
Are you saying Colt actually fits the barrel (hood, lower lugs, and slide), bushing (OD, ID), and the hammer sear interface? Has anyone been to the factory and seen them fitting these parts instead of using drop in specs? Do they actually stone the hammer and sear and check that they mate correctly in each individual frame?

45auto
July 11, 2008, 04:17 PM
Colt's may be fit by hand, but "precision" fit... they are not!

I'd bet when they start using the CNC machines, quality will increase.

That said, great idea to reintroduce the model..."do what you do best".

Johnny Guest
July 12, 2008, 11:23 PM
A thread is started, asking for input on ONE type of pistol. It turns into a cuss fight pro- and con- that entire brand.

Waste of time; nothing new said.

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