"Most Shocking Robberies and Holdups 3"


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jakemccoy
July 9, 2008, 11:34 PM
...on the TruTV Channel

http://www.trutv.com/shows/most_shocking/episodes.html

I randomly stumbled on this show. The show looks all official with its dramatic music and the official sounding narrative. I watched about 12 robberies via their saved security videos before I had to stop watching. I was expecting at least one video where robbers messed with the wrong gun owner. In all the robberies,...

-No victim had a gun.
-Most criminals had guns.
-The robberies ended without anybody getting fatally injured.
-All criminals were caught using the video records.

I said to myself, "Wow, that's convenient." The underlying messages here were that all you really need is a security camera to battle robbers and that guns are for criminals. I'm surprised at myself for expecting anything different.

:banghead:

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Big Boomer
July 10, 2008, 01:14 AM
just finished watching that myself, and I can't say that even if I had a gun in some of those robberies where they had ak clones or other long guns that I would have taken the chance.

A pistol is simply no match for any rifle. Something like 80% of all handgun wounds are not fatal, not sure what it is for rifles but I know it's a lot less than that.

kingpin008
July 10, 2008, 02:08 AM
You know, sometimes there is no "underlying message". Sometimes, folks who get robbed just don't have guns to defend themselves with.

Crazy, huh?

Look - the folks who make those shows depend on packing as much drama into the show as thay can - I'm sure they cherry-pick the videos, at least to some extent. Notice that most of them involve some kind of violence and fighting, right? That's dramatic. You can bet that people using guns to shoot back is as well, but many times, it just doesn't happen like that. I've worked at least two jobs (convenience store and porn store) that put me in pretty direct danger from a lot of the clients, and I've never had a gun with me while working, despite it being legal (and allowed by my bosses). Was I unarmed? Nope. I had a nightstick and a baseball bat to use if necessary.

Bottom line is this - those shows are video tabloids, at best.
There are more than a few of those shows that have featured clerks using firearms to repel attacks, but we can't have it our way all the time, right?

Gunnerpalace
July 10, 2008, 02:41 AM
(convenience store and porn store)

I bet you have some fun stories,

My idea in any place were I would be dealing with people from behind a counter, would be a holster mounted vertically to the underside of the counter.

toivo
July 10, 2008, 02:48 AM
I have seen a few of this type of program that showed scenes of armed victims fighting back. One in particular showed an invasion-style robbery attempt on a jewelry store. Two armed robbers came running into the store, and the man behind the counter started shooting as soon as they crossed the threshold. I think he saw them approaching through the window, because he was on them FAST. They sent a few shots back his way and then took off running. IIRC, nobody was hit on either side. I think it was handguns all around, but I don't remember exactly.

kingpin008
July 10, 2008, 03:49 AM
I bet you have some fun stories

Tons. None really appropriate for THR, however. ;)

Double Naught Spy
July 10, 2008, 05:36 AM
-No victim had a gun.
-Most criminals had guns.
-The robberies ended without anybody getting fatally injured.

This isn't too far from the truth. According to FBI stats of a few years ago, compliance works about 87% of the time with no injuries. That means that compliance doesn't work so well about 13% of the time. In that 13%, folks usually suffer lessor injuries and there are few deaths.

Personally, I don't like having a 13% chance of getting injured or killed for complying.

doc2rn
July 10, 2008, 07:36 AM
Seen it before, I like the one where the jewelry store owner shoots the robber, or the one with the old liquor store lady with a 8" Python blasting away at a guy who tried to strong arm her. That bottle of Jim B. he broke on her head was just plain uncalled for though.

Rmart30
July 10, 2008, 09:24 AM
Ive watched a few of their shows. One was on last night showing a holdup with a ak47.... I noticed something about their editing, they were playing a sound clip of full auto shots being fired when you could clearly see it was not rapid fire ejections but semi auto.

#shooter
July 10, 2008, 09:47 AM
I've worked at least two jobs (convenience store and porn store)...I had a nightstick and a baseball bat to use if necessary.

Are you sure it was a nightstick and baseball bat at the porn store?:evil:

Marbles
July 10, 2008, 09:58 AM
Watch this video. (http://www.trutv.com/video/most-shocking/sharp-shootin-clerk.html?link=truTVshlk)

Dope
July 10, 2008, 10:04 AM
I would agree that there is no message for this show - that's really grasping at straws honestly. They pick clips for maximum drama. I usually watch these shows whenever I happen to pass by them. I have seen many, many instances of people fighting back barehanded, with golf clubs, meat cleavers, and yes of course - guns. They have even shown bad guys getting shot by store clerks and in some cases there were fatalities. I've even seen civilians assisting police officers in trouble with perps.

There's no message, it's just tailored for max drama to draw people in (what isn't these days?).

Dope

Picard
July 10, 2008, 10:29 AM
Marbles, I feel like that video tried to make out the other clerk who had a CCW as a gun-nut, especially with the comment at the end of the video saying that he now works at a gun store.

I watched the unedited video on Youtube before seeing this. That's just another time when concealed carry worked.

h0ss
July 10, 2008, 11:20 AM
I just happened to catch this show last night on my lunch break.

I noticed that one scene where the jewelry store clerk was being robbed, he and his nephew fought the guy to the ground and got his gun.

The jewelry store clerk said, "we told him to get out. Then i realized, 'wait a minute, i have the gun, i dont have to let him go'". I kind of chuckled at that. Maybe this one man learned the value of being armed. I could only hope so.

Rugerlvr
July 10, 2008, 12:49 PM
Watch this video.

Whoa.

1. That mom was really not with it. I would have had my baby on the floor covering her up if I was unarmed.

2. Does anybody besides me think that the shooter really opened fire too close to the bystander?

CountGlockula
July 10, 2008, 12:54 PM
My favorite part was the full auto sound effects of the semi-auto AK-47.

Anyways, love the show and also Most Daring...is good too.

HKUSP45C
July 10, 2008, 01:01 PM
2. Does anybody besides me think that the shooter really opened fire too close to the bystander?

The guy in that video posts at TexasCHLForums, GlockTalk or Arfcom, can't remember which. He said the lady with the little girl was perfectly OK with the way he handled it and was glad he did what he did. Take an internet posting for what it's worth.

In all, it ended well and good and arm chair quarter backing it is only useful as a mental exercise, IMHO. None of us can honestly say what we'd have done in that specific circumstance. I, personally, think the guy did perfectly well under the circumstances.

The clerk got 2 hits if memory serves and the baddie got apprehended and carted off to the pokey.

SsevenN
July 10, 2008, 01:02 PM
RugerLvr,

I think the clerk did great.

That lady is a sheep, not his fault she has no survival instinct for herself OR her child.

exar
July 10, 2008, 01:20 PM
Yep, that motel clerk has posted online about his experience before. From the way it sounds, everyone was pleased with the outcome and everything turned out as good as it could.

Cyclimus
July 10, 2008, 03:05 PM
Gotta love these shows too. Talk about great situational training... I play a game with them. If I were *pick random bystander, victim, etc* how would I respond in this situation? Last night was a good one called Crisis Point with lots of good video and interviews. They had a rookie cop getting the crap kicked out of him in some urban area, but they showed how determination and the will to fight and survive is vital in situations.

Did I say I love these shows?

kingpin008
July 10, 2008, 03:29 PM
Cyclimus - I saw that Crisis Point episode too, and when the cop got knocked off his feet, then rolled with it back to a standing position my fiancee (who was watching with me) yelled out "Good man! Get back up and get that f--ker!" :what:

...She's a peach. :D

Marbles
July 10, 2008, 05:53 PM
I will agree with HKUSP45's post.

I firmly believe the clerk not only did well at handling that Glock 22 .40 cal (I fired .40cal out of a P229R stainless and still found it too snappy and brisk recoiling) but with accuracy and superior tactical thought. Pulling up behind the female clerk to mask himself drawing his weapon is something I would have highly unlikely EVER thought of.

He was there, we weren't, he did well.

EDIT: I doubt the mom with kid would have done something fancy with a masked suspicious person with a revolver in hand. Think about it -- do you do fancy stuff when someone is standing behind you with an assault rifle?

Robert Hairless
July 10, 2008, 06:04 PM
"Criminals Out of Control"
Wed, July 16 at 8P

Most Shocking is the ultimate 'caught-on-camera' reality show featuring high-adrenaline, action-packed stories of criminal behavior. In this episode, a callous criminal attacks a cop, triggering a deadly shootout. Plus, a drugged-out felon takes on a patrolman in broad daylight. And, a gang of thieves raids a clothing store, opening fire on the helpless clerk.

Next week, "Criminals Under Control." Tune in to watch well-behaved criminals set a good example. You'll be pleasantly surprised and mildly interested to watch real life videos of the drugged out burglar who sneaks television sets into unoccupied residences, the car thief caught in the act of helping a police vehicle out of the ditch in which it landed while chasing him, and the pickpocket arrested for putting a $20 bill in his victim's wallet.

jakemccoy
July 10, 2008, 08:52 PM
I heard the clerk had a Glock 27.

#shooter
July 11, 2008, 09:39 AM
2. Does anybody besides me think that the shooter really opened fire too close to the bystander?
I think he did fine. I also think the mother did fine. You can see her moving away from the robber once she figures out what is happening. In addition she probably did not want make any rash moves and draw attention to her or the child. The mother also moves out of the way when he fires. i am sure mom and child's ears were ringing after that.

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