(ID) Asotin man recalls rattlesnake-gun accident


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Drizzt
July 10, 2008, 02:51 AM
Asotin man recalls rattlesnake-gun accident

ASOTIN - A recent incident involving a gun and a rattlesnake along Joseph Creek left an Asotin man with serious injuries.

The accident along the river, near the Oregon border, left Frank Jeffreys without his sight.

"We were fishing and walked over to the bank and Amanda said she heard something and I looked behind and about eye level there was a rattlesnake on the bank,” Jeffreys said during an interview Tuesday. “And I shot once at it and as I was reloading to shoot at it again it lunged off the bank at me and I stumbled on a rock behind me and I dropped the gun."

When he dropped the 22-caliber gun, it went off, spraying his face with snakeshot. Jeffreys says his goal that day was not to hunt snakes, that taking the gun was more a precaution.

"I had the gun just in case we did come across a rattlesnake, so I was prepared for it, I just wasn't prepared to stumble and lose control of the gun."

Lewiston Medics met Jeffreys and his girlfriend Amanda Taylor near the scene. He then was flown Seattle and taken to Harborview Medical Center.

"They tried to get the shot shells out of my eyes, but they were unable to get it all out,” he said. “but they also removed the lenses from my eyes."

This was almost two week ago and the ordeal has left Jeffreys with severely impaired vision.

"It's still pretty painful. It's hard trying to get around, not being able to see now, everything is a lot different than it was," he said.

Jeffreys faces several more surgeries and no promises of returned sight

"I can basically see silhouettes out of my left eye, everything is really blurry and it's hard to make stuff out. The right eye I can’t see anything out of."

Jeffreys said the community has really rallied around the family, including his three-month-old daughter Layne. Money has been raised with a garage sale, a bank account has been set up and there will be a benefit dinner at Bishop's Bistro.

"When stuff like this happens you don't really know where to go or what to do and then the community comes out and they are all willing to lend a hand to help you and that's awesome," said Jeffreys.

The benefit lunch at Bishops will be on August 3 starting at noon. It is a $10 spaghetti dinner with 100 percent of the proceeds going to the family.

http://www.klewtv.com/news/24089184.html

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HK G3
July 10, 2008, 03:10 AM
This guy sounds like a grade A moron.

If the snake was far away enough that he could shoot at it, and miss, then it was far away enough to simply walk away. There's no need to shoot at all serpents, especially when they're not on your property.

Standing Wolf
July 10, 2008, 06:58 AM
When he dropped the 22-caliber gun, it went off, spraying his face with snakeshot.

My skepticism meter snapped all the way to the right.

FieroCDSP
July 10, 2008, 07:51 AM
Sounds more like the pellets ricochetted off the bank or a rock and got him.

spwenger
July 10, 2008, 10:11 AM
...the gun could have been something like an early Ruger Bearcat or Single Six, without a transfer-bar safety. Compare this incident to the one with a dropped .44 Magnum revolver (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,378142,00.html).

dewage83
July 10, 2008, 11:47 AM
If the snake was far away enough that he could shoot at it, and miss, then it was far away enough to simply walk away. There's no need to shoot at all serpents, especially when they're not on your property. Have you seen a rattle snake in the wild? I have NOT. I would be pretty sure if I had the opportunity to take the shot, I would have. All snakes are fast, fast enough that 5-10 feet could be traveled very quickly. I personally wouldnt risk being bitten by a rattle snake out on the river. By the way you speak you seem to have never lost your balance and tripped?

ZMP_CTR
July 10, 2008, 12:30 PM
Have you seen a rattle snake in the wild? I have NOT. I would be pretty sure if I had the opportunity to take the shot, I would have. All snakes are fast, fast enough that 5-10 feet could be traveled very quickly. I personally wouldnt risk being bitten by a rattle snake out on the river. By the way you speak you seem to have never lost your balance and tripped?

Given the opportunity, snakes will retreat, not attack. Anyone who feels the need to shoot a snake in the wild is ignorant in my opinion, unless you need food. I can understand keeping your property clear of things that can hurt you or your family.

BTW. Rattlesnakes are not territorial, so it won't bite unless it feels threatened or it plans on eating you.

Mikee Loxxer
July 10, 2008, 12:35 PM
I have seen rattlesnakes in the wild on several occasions. Although I did shoot one once it was unnecessary.

Most of the time there is no good reason to shoot them. They are just going about their business and have no interest in victimizing humans.

Picard
July 10, 2008, 12:41 PM
Stupid people do stupid things. That's nothing new.

Zoogster
July 10, 2008, 12:43 PM
Poor guy. I am rather surprised that 1 .22 shotshell managed to pepper both eyes with nobody aiming it. That is one extraordinarily unlucky drop.

Maybe the woman shot him and it is being covered up for some reason?

Hope they can restore his sight.

XDKingslayer
July 10, 2008, 01:11 PM
From what I'm understanding they were fishing in a river and walked to the bank and the snake was on the bank. Obviously it was close enough to rattle to warn them and close enough to lunge at them.

I don't think he's a moron at all. Just a series of events that ended with him shooting himself.

THR survey says!

OK to shoot pitbulls, not OK to shoot snakes.

Check.

the naked prophet
July 10, 2008, 01:13 PM
I bet he had a single shot derringer. That may very well have not had a safety.

It's also quite possible that he got frisky with his lady companion, and she didn't appreciate it and used her derringer on him, then later felt remorseful and they made up the snake story.

At this point, nobody but them knows for sure.

jackstinson
July 10, 2008, 01:40 PM
Have you seen a rattle snake in the wild? I have NOT.
Yes I have. Many of us HAVE encountered rattlesnakes and other poisonous snakes in the wild. The fact is that, unless you go out of your way to tick them off or accidentally step on one, they'll usually go about their business and let you go about yours.
I've lived, hunted, and hiked in many snake infested areas of the USA, Mexico, and Australia with never a need to shoot one. The biggest issue is watching so that don't step on one by accident. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. Out in the Baja desert, I've almost stepped on rattlers on more than one occasion. Can't hear the rattle in the desert wind...and most times they aren't rattling anyway.
I live in Ohio now, where it is illegal to shoot Timber Rattlers; protected species.
Jack

TallPine
July 10, 2008, 01:45 PM
Rattlesnakes will just take your gun away and shoot you with it :D

Iggy
July 10, 2008, 01:52 PM
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/RattlesnakeDen.jpg?t=1215708511
Spring time in Wyoming.

CountGlockula
July 10, 2008, 01:52 PM
Rattlesnake 1, fishing dude 0.

XDKingslayer
July 10, 2008, 03:57 PM
I bet he had a single shot derringer.

More than likely. The story said he shot once and was reloading when he dropped the weapon.

HK G3
July 10, 2008, 04:44 PM
Have you seen a rattle snake in the wild? I have NOT. I would be pretty sure if I had the opportunity to take the shot, I would have. All snakes are fast, fast enough that 5-10 feet could be traveled very quickly. I personally wouldnt risk being bitten by a rattle snake out on the river. By the way you speak you seem to have never lost your balance and tripped?

I live and hunt in Arizona. I see rattlers all the time. I've never felt the need to shoot any of them. The key is simply to be aware of your surroundings, and to not step on them. If you can hear their rattle, see the snake, and you still get bitten, it means you were an idiot.

There's a saying I've heard all the residents in the ER use: Rattlers can distinguish gender, whether someone is right or left handed, and those with a high tattoo:teeth ratio. The reason is that 90% of the bites are from idiots who attempt to pick up the snakes. And these idiots generally tend not to have very many teeth, and a lot of tats. Not saying that having tats makes you stupid, but in the case of rattler bite victims, it is a shared trait.

Anyway I'm off on a tangent. The point is, if you can see and hear a rattler, it's not going to bite unless you do something stupid. When you don't see it and don't hear it is when you're likely to step on it, and get bitten.

tmajors
July 10, 2008, 04:55 PM
Iggy - If that's not a reason for civilians to own grenades I don't know what is.

Cougfan2
July 10, 2008, 05:13 PM
Iggy, just looking at that picture makes my skin crawl! :uhoh:

SN13
July 10, 2008, 05:35 PM
That picture makes me think "Thank god my shotgun has 11 shots"

HK G3
July 10, 2008, 05:42 PM
That picture just makes me think of Aliens.

GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!!!

XDKingslayer
July 10, 2008, 05:44 PM
That picture makes me think FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!

Old Grump
July 10, 2008, 05:54 PM
Long ago lost count of rattlesnake sightings and except for the single one I stepped on I have never felt threatened or felt the need to hurt one. The one I stepped on had a flat spot in his midsection where my size 13 cowboy boot came down on him and if he had tried to strike I didn't know it because by then I was about 15' away and wondering why I had jumped. Lots of room on the mountain trails and in the desert and it wasn't unusual to see 3 or more different kinds of rattle snakes depending on where I was walking at the time. Never once had one come after me and I figured with all the space the desert had I could walk someplace else if a particular snake had a fondness for the shade of that rock or bush. A walking stick is more than enough defense, snake loads are for sellers of snake loads. Sounds good on paper but basically useless and unnecessary as far as rattle snakes are concerned. My opinion and I'm stuck with it.

toivo
July 10, 2008, 10:27 PM
Hmm...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/tisfortomi/wileyx-gline.jpg

...might have helped.

AZAndy
July 10, 2008, 10:40 PM
"They tried to get the shot shells out of my eyes, but they were unable to get it all out,” he said.

Now that, my friends, is the most extreme example of clumsiness I've ever heard of. Shot shells in the eyes must be pretty uncomfortable, though I would think they'd be pretty easy to get out. ;-)

AZ_Rebel
July 10, 2008, 11:05 PM
The guy IS an idiot!

Living in Arizona and having had many opportunities to encounter Diamondback Rattlesnakes in the wild allows me to say that.

If the guy had just stepped away from the snake when he saw it none of that would have happened.

Snakes will avoid you if at all possible and will escape when given the chance. There is rarely a need to shoot a snake. Just avoid it when you see one. If you step on one and get bitten you were not paying attention and there is no point in shooting the snake then.

WSUZJer
July 11, 2008, 03:22 PM
I would say you have never been there before. ;) My grandparents live there and rattlesnakes can be a big problem. Plus the area is not always condusive to "just stepping away" from the snakes.

Also, this thread title is incorrect. Asotin is in Washington, not Idaho. :)

anarchris
July 11, 2008, 06:29 PM
He tried to kill the snake (more than likely to impress girl)
failed, tried again, blinded himself and the snake still didn't attack.
I think it was his fear of snakes that did him in, that and carrying one of those cheap one shot derringers, those things always shoot if dropped, thats why I got rid of mine!

AZ_Rebel
July 11, 2008, 11:51 PM
Living in Arizona and having had many opportunities to encounter Diamondback Rattlesnakes in the wild allows me to say that.


I would say you have never been there before.

Calling a member a liar is not very High Road.

koja48
July 12, 2008, 01:06 AM
Unfortunate, but it sounds as if he'd been better-off just avoiding the snake and leaving it alone. I live in Eastern Wa, have seen plenty of rattlers, & ain't had one come after me yet.

Old Grump
July 13, 2008, 08:30 PM
I did not want them in my back yard where my dogs and little kids were playing but even there a gun wasn't called for. A stick works well and though none ever thanked me I don't think they objected to being dropped off in the desert. If ever a snake had a reason to strike me the one I stepped on had a reason but even that one tried to get away which was fine by me. 1 snake or 20, it really didn't matter there was always someplace else to go even if it was backwards. Having fired those little snake loads out of 22's and 38's I am not impressed, maybe a 44 or 45 load would be better but I still say a stick is handier.

Bwana John
July 13, 2008, 08:43 PM
Im more afraid of hantavirus than rattlesnakes.

Kill all the snakes the deermice population goes crazy.

I know of 4 people who have died of hantavirus in communitys that I have lived in, not one death from a rattler.

I will kill rattlers that live under my house, but I kill the deer mice that live under there with much more gusto.

WAID
July 13, 2008, 10:23 PM
I fish in in that same area and have only seen any snakes on one trip in five years. The the snake was in such a hurry to slither away there was no reason and very little chance to shoot it. That has been my experience in other areas as well.

GlowinPontiac
July 14, 2008, 01:04 AM
I dont see many rattlers in my area but I do see a lot of copperheads especially on some of the golf courses.

never had one come even close to me. they all just moved along if i even waved my club near them.

TallPine
July 14, 2008, 01:09 AM
A guy was killed by a rattlesnake in our county a couple years ago :(

ColinthePilot
July 14, 2008, 01:27 AM
I have never seen a rattler in the wild, but I don't like snakes. Of any kind. If a snake ever made any kind of move toward me, it would become dinner pretty quick. Yes, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot it, but in such a case, I'm not just gonna leave the carcase to rot, I'll take it home and grill it up.

As far as protected species go, I am much more interested in protecting the human species than the snakes.

WSUZJer
July 14, 2008, 04:15 PM
Calling a member a liar is not very High Road. :rolleyes: Uh-huh. But calling someone you've never met an idiot about an accident in a place you've never been to is?

I said you have never been there, meaning fishing in Hell's Canyon. It is very narrow, in some spots just wide enough for the two lane highway that was carved out of the sheer rock faces. Fishing is usually done on rocks, with numerous places for snakes to hide and sometimes not very easy for people to maneuver around on.

Dave P
July 14, 2008, 04:47 PM
and those with a high tattoo:teeth ratio

I like that!

If Tat/teeth > 2, keep your kids away!

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