Time to start canceling those newspaper subscriptions


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GingerGuy
July 10, 2008, 08:40 AM
Do not support a newspaper that doesn't support our rights. Here's an article full of bias about DC guns. Newspapers just keep firing at our rights...:cuss:


Doctors worried by Supreme Court gun ruling
Wed Jul 9, 2008 7:44pm EDT
By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Last month's Supreme Court ruling striking down a strict gun control law in the U.S. capital will lead to more deaths and accidental injuries, the editors of the New England Journal of Medicine said on Wednesday.

They joined a growing clamor from medical doctors, especially emergency room physicians, who fear a surge of accidental deaths, murders and suicides if handguns become more easily available than they already are.

The ruling struck down a law in Washington that forbade personal ownership of handguns. The court made explicit, for the first time, that Americans had rights as individuals to own guns.

It won praise from President George W. Bush, Republican presidential candidate John McCain and guns rights advocates. But gun control groups expressed concern about new legal attacks on existing gun laws.

Justice Antonin Scalia, who voted with the 5-4 majority on the decision, said citizens may prefer handguns for home defense because they "can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police."

The three editors of the prominent medical journal, Dr. Jeffrey Drazen, Stephen Morrissey and Dr. Gregory Curfman, said handguns were far more likely to cause harm than do good.

"In our opinion, there is little reason to expect an optimistic result; research has shown and logic would dictate that fewer restrictions on handguns will result in a substantial increase in injury and death," they wrote in a commentary released in Thursday's issue.

The United States is estimated to have the world's highest civilian gun ownership rate. Gun deaths average 80 a day in the United States, 34 of them murders, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"In 2005, the last year with complete data, there were more than 30,000 deaths and 70,000 nonfatal injuries from firearms," Drazen, a physician at Harvard Medical School, and his colleagues wrote.

"About one quarter of the nonfatal injuries and a tenth of the deaths were in children and adolescents. To place these numbers in perspective, 10 times as many Americans die each year from firearms as have died in the Iraq war during the past five years," they added.

"Firearm injuries represent a major public health problem that seems certain to be exacerbated with less handgun regulation."

Other doctors have agreed.

"A number of scientific studies, published in the world's most rigorous, peer-reviewed journals, show the risks of keeping a loaded gun in the home outweigh the potential benefits," Dr. Arthur Kellerman, an emergency physician at Emory University in Atlanta, wrote in The Washington Post.

"According to the Justice Department, far more guns are lost each year to burglary or theft than are used to defend people or property."

The New England Journal editors noted that the 1976 Washington law affected by the ruling resulted in an immediate 25 percent decline in murders and suicides in the District of Columbia but not in neighboring Virginia and Maryland.

"It is well documented in the medical literature that regulation of guns benefits the public health," they wrote.

"We have a heightened concern about suicide," they added.

Medical experts note it is far easier to carry out a suicide with a gun than it is using any other method.

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doc2rn
July 10, 2008, 09:14 AM
C.S.S.

TexasRifleman
July 10, 2008, 10:13 AM
Medical experts note it is far easier to carry out a suicide with a gun than it is using any other method.

Except for going to a doctor.....

ctdonath
July 10, 2008, 11:26 AM
Newspaper? what's that?

husbandofaromanian
July 10, 2008, 11:45 AM
Doctors. Another group that needs to get nocked off of their pedistal. Seems like every time a group is overpaid for their profession (actors, singers, politicians) they immediatly become experts on every subject they've never studied.

FCFC
July 10, 2008, 11:48 AM
Time to start canceling those newspaper subscriptions
Do not support a newspaper that doesn't support our rights. Here's an article full of bias about DC guns. Newspapers just keep firing at our rights...
It's just an article reporting what some guys said. It's pretty well written, actually. What do object to in the article?

Which newspaper was it in, by the way?


Justice Antonin Scalia, who voted with the 5-4 majority on the decision, said citizens may prefer handguns for home defense because they "can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police."
I love that phrase. What imagery!
I gotta think that Scalia is a handgun owner.

MaterDei
July 10, 2008, 11:54 AM
Medical experts note it is far easier to carry out a suicide with a gun than it is using any other method.

All together now... DUH!!

This is precisely what makes a gun such a fine tool for self defense.

Dope
July 10, 2008, 11:57 AM
New England Journal of Medicine has long been home to the worst anti-gunners around. Nothing new there. Luckily, no one gives a crap what doctors think about guns. Just like no one gives a crap what gardeners think about helicopters.

Dope

Old Fuff
July 10, 2008, 12:00 PM
I have noticed that in crowded urban areas if the number of motor vehicles is substantially increased the number of accidents is also likely to go up. The solution of course is to pass more restrictive laws to that fewer people can get a driver’s license. With fewer drivers we will all be much safer as we walk to the supermarket, our jobs, a school or restaurant, whatever. :uhoh:

Of course if the price of gas keeps going up, laws may be unnecessary… :neener:

gretske
July 10, 2008, 12:02 PM
You could cancel your subscriptions, but it is not likely to have much of an impact. Newspaper subs are on the decline anyway. Maybe a better strategy would be to send frequent letters to the editor, explaining the importance of gun rights. If they have blogs on their websites, which many now do, go on there and give the pro-gun story.

Just a suggestion.

FCFC
July 10, 2008, 12:18 PM
Nothing new there. Luckily, no one gives a crap what doctors think about guns.
That's wishful thinking. LOTS of people care what docs think about guns and health issues. And some are decision-makers.

Just saying that docs (and NEJM) are bad, bad, bad doesn't make it so.

Gun rights advocacy is one thing. Unnecessarily underestimating the opposition is another.

I agree with gretske: write to the media and espouse the pro-gun rights position.

Geno
July 10, 2008, 12:22 PM
Patient: Doc, what's wrong with a gun...I can't get the gun-lock off the safety.

Doctor: How the Hades would I know...I'm a doctor, not a gunsmith!

Newspaper: Doctor, what is your professional opinion about guns and safety?

Doctor: Guns are dangerous. It is impossible to make any gun child-proof, even with a safety.

Patient: I thought you didn't know anything about guns?!

Patient: Mr. Editor, cancel my subscription. Doc, cancel my prescription. I'll be doin' business elsewhere.

Phil DeGraves
July 10, 2008, 12:29 PM
Duplicate thread...

22-rimfire
July 10, 2008, 12:34 PM
That is the legislative angle that was started during the Clinton administration I believe. Trying to shift guns to being a health issue.

What newspaper was this? Newpapers do choose what they want to print regardless of the source.

Rugerlvr
July 10, 2008, 12:36 PM
Just like no one gives a crap what gardeners think about helicopters.

More akin to what gardners might think about gophers. They see the damage they can create. However, they never ever get to see the up-side.

Dravur
July 10, 2008, 01:40 PM
Medical experts note it is far easier to carry out a suicide with a gun than it is using any other method.

It is also far easier to go to the Doc, get a bad diagnosis or bad prescriptions and croak off due to that.

and in New York, if you happen to fall on your face while in a mental ward, you have a decent chance of people ignoring you..... I think the hospital involved hired all of Kitty Genovese's neighbors.

usmarine0352_2005
July 10, 2008, 01:48 PM
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Dr's. the leading cause of death in the U.S.



.........No, really.



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kingpin008
July 10, 2008, 02:51 PM
1. It'd help if you told us which newspaper printed the story, so we could take appropriate action without having to guess.

2. Oh wait, it's a Reuters story, which means that they got it from a newsfeed service, and it's not the original work of the newspaper in question - therefore making a subscription cancellation pointless.

Sorry for being so blunt, but if people are going to propose boycotts or protests of companies or services based on their percieved views on a subject, they should really try to understand who and what they're dealing with first. Otherwise, we as a group tend to come off as ignorant, reactionary hotheads who can't put two and two together.


Luckily, no one gives a crap what doctors think about guns. Just like no one gives a crap what gardeners think about helicopters.

And...that's gonna be added to my sig line. :)

Grey_Mana
July 10, 2008, 04:06 PM
Harvard is a seriously lefty medical school, you have to take anything they publish with a grain of salt. They stay flush with cash by getting alumni into govt jobs, and funneling govt grants to Harvard.

DoubleTapDrew
July 10, 2008, 04:54 PM
fear a surge of accidental deaths, murders and suicides if handguns become more easily available than they already are.

No there will just be a shift. Fewer innocent victims killed and injured, more bad guys.
They quoted Kellerman. Cue the slide whistles and clowns.

Hk91-762mm
July 10, 2008, 05:53 PM
For what its worth --Newspapers are not the privileged property of the anti-gun Liberals -!!!!
There is NO REASON the PRO gunnies cant buy--start -Co-opt a major newspaper.
The NRA has the know how The GOA supposedly has the will to do something And the Gun owners could use a few good jobs -NOTE=Most major new papers are UNION -And we know where MOST Unions stand on the 2A.
If we started a paper in say Some city that has only 1 liberal paper -Yet that area has a good mixing of gun owners and Conservatives -Chances you could get it off the ground and Actually make some money -I know Id work at a start up Paper for near minimum wage Just to see the thing get going !

FCFC
July 10, 2008, 08:02 PM
Here, this ought to be good news for the OP:

NY TIMES HITS 10-YEAR LOW ON DOWNGRADE

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07102008/business/ny_times_hits_10_year_low_on_downgrade_119276.htm

:):):):):):):):):)

Look for Pinch to get booted real soon.

Claude Clay
July 10, 2008, 08:36 PM
auto mechanics---excuse me, technicians, work all the time on cars after accidents. does that make them experts on the causes of accidents?
yet the media treats doctors as the go to experts on guns because they treat the gunshot people's.

La Pistoletta
July 10, 2008, 09:06 PM
"fear a surge of accidental deaths"

As opposed to the much more numerous, intentional ones they have now?

HK G3
July 10, 2008, 09:19 PM
So all you guys bashing doctors in general aren't going to see one when you get really sick, right? :rolleyes:

Neo-Luddite
July 10, 2008, 09:35 PM
The NEJM (along with JAMA and others) just can't stand it when faced with the fact that their opinion isn't wanted or valued on ALL SUBJECTS at ALL TIMES--and EVERYTHING relates SOMEHOW to 'public health' if they say that it does.

It's far from 'bashing' doctors as a group to take such nonsense put forth by institutions to task; there are many doctors involved in the shooting sports and hunting. And there are ones that hate guns, too--and that's fine.

lamazza
July 10, 2008, 09:42 PM
So all you guys bashing doctors in general aren't going to see one when you get really sick, right?
What a crazy thing to ask...we are all going to be dead from accidental discharges of course ;)

DWFan
July 10, 2008, 10:07 PM
Doctors fear a surge of accidental deaths and suicides due to the Heller ruling especially emergency room physicians?
During the last week I have seen three videos of three different people falling over dead in ER waiting rooms after being ignored for hours.
Whoever says doctors are deadlier than firearms are absolutely correct.

La Pistoletta
July 11, 2008, 05:41 PM
During the last week I have seen three videos of three different people falling over dead in ER waiting rooms after being ignored for hours.
Whoever says doctors are deadlier than firearms are absolutely correct.

Maybe they had an accidental discharge...of negligence.

junyo
July 11, 2008, 06:36 PM
The three editors of the prominent medical journal, Dr. Jeffrey Drazen, Stephen Morrissey and Dr. Gregory Curfman, said handguns were far more likely to cause harm than do good.

"In our opinion, there is little reason to expect an optimistic result; research has shown and logic would dictate that fewer restrictions on handguns will result in a substantial increase in injury and death," they wrote in a commentary released in Thursday's issue.In my opinion their opinion is BS. I challenge one of these doctors to produce a peer reviewed study that proves "fewer restrictions on handguns will result in a substantial increase in injury and death". The CDC, no lover of gun rights, did a study a couple of years (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm) ago and they even concluded "The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes." Newspapers are often lazy, and just paste press releases verbatim into the "news". They can and should be blamed for publishing these stories without challenge, corroboration, research or even a dissenting point of view.

torpid
July 11, 2008, 06:46 PM
Medical experts note it is far easier to carry out a suicide with a gun than it is using any other method.

It is also far easier to defend oneself from life-threatening attack with a gun than it is with a bottle of sleeping pills.

WayneConrad
July 11, 2008, 06:54 PM
If we would pitch only the benefits of guns, without considering the costs, we are rightfully considered to be biased.

When our opponents pitch only the costs, without considering the benefits, they are also considered to be biased.

True science considers both the cost and the benefit of a thing. True science insists upon studies that draw from sources that are themselves scientifically rigorous. The NEJM, although "peer reviewed," has become a mouthpiece for politically motivated hatchet jobs, not science.

jcwit
July 11, 2008, 06:59 PM
Can't blast Dr.'s to much--Had polio when I was a youngster back in the 50's, wasn't given 10 o/o chance to live let alone walk overcame it and served a hitch in the Army. Eight yr's ago came down with cancer was told maybe 30 o/o chance of making it, took cemo and have been in remission for almost 7 yr's. Nope can't bash Dr.'s, however I may not go along with their political ideals.

W.E.G.
July 11, 2008, 07:27 PM
Newspaper? what's that?

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/humor/zitsnewspaper.jpg

La Pistoletta
July 11, 2008, 08:23 PM
W.E.G., have you tried FireFox plus the NoScript and Adblock addons? That combo blocks most popups and flashing banners.

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