Homeowner Shoots and Kills Neighbor Turned Home Invader


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FCFC
July 10, 2008, 09:48 AM
Based on the details reported so far, this is a solidly good self-defense with a gun. But I don't get it. Can a guy who is kicking down the door of his neighbor's house, after sending threatening texts and calls, expect to meet anything other than a loaded gun on the inside?

Love makes people go crazy, I guess. :uhoh:

Too bad the brother couldn't stop the lunatic. I gotta feel sorry for the brother in this case. He had some level of opportunity to stop it but failed to do so.



Neighbor killed after threats, home invasion
BY MICHELLE BRADFORD

Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2008

A Prairie Creek resident shot and killed a neighbor who had kicked in his door Tuesday evening and tried to assault him, police said.

Johnny Hawthorne shot Mekin Kantaphone with a handgun once in the head in self-defense inside Hawthorne’s home, Benton County sheriff’s Capt. Mike Sydoriak said.

The prosecuting attorney’s office will decide whether the shooting was justified, Sydoriak said.

Kantaphone, 34, sent threatening text and voice messages to Hawthorne, 25, earlier in the day, he said.

“He was threatening to beat him and kill him,” Sydoriak said.

“There was certainly that assumption by the deceased that there was a relationship between the shooter and the deceased’s wife,” said Benton County sheriff’s deputy Doug Gay. “Whether there is any validity to that remains under investigation.” Kantaphone was a weight lifter who was much larger than Hawthorne, Sydoriak said. Kantaphone recently worked as a mechanic for American Airlines. He exercised regularly at World Gym in Bentonville.

“He was in here every day, always happy and friendly,” said Travis, a World Gym employee who wouldn’t give his last name.

On Tuesday evening, Kantaphone and his brother, Ole Kantaphone, drove to Hawthorne’s home at 8549 Wild Cherry Drive.

Ole Kantaphone tried to stop his brother from going to the door, but he wouldn’t listen, Sydoriak said.

“He tried to reason with him and stop him, but he couldn’t hold him back,” Sydoriak said.

Police got a 911 call about the shooting at 6: 40 p.m.

Sydoriak said Mekin Kantaphone lived in the neighborhood but he didn’t have the address.

His body has been sent to the state Crime Laboratory in Little Rock for an autopsy.

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/230891/

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Rmart30
July 10, 2008, 10:20 AM
Sounds justified to me, especially with the texts and messages to back it up.

jaholder1971
July 10, 2008, 10:22 AM
I hope for his sake the guy wasn't reading bible lessons with the decedent's wife. Most prosecutors take a very, very dim view of this...

BattleChimp Potemkin
July 10, 2008, 10:38 AM
I hope for his sake the guy wasn't tapping the decedent's wife. Most prosecutors take a very, very dim view of this...

Whether or not the guy was having an affair with Kantaphone's wife is irrelevant. You have a raging nitwit (have to use that term, seriously, the guy didnt expect to get shot after rampaging into someone's home) who busts in and gets shot. End of story, along with evidence to back it up. They guy was basing his rampage on "assumption by the deceased that there was a relationship between the shooter and the deceased’s wife". Not a very good idea. Aggravated assault is STILL assault, regardless of the terms. A good defense attorney will overlook this and lead a good defense on the evidence shown, not "assumptions" of infidelity by a now-dead mortal coil.

Now, Jaholder, you have a STRONG STRONG arguement concept in a potentially ensueing CIVIL case though (this has held up from what I have been told in cases like this). I am more frightened of a civil matter, than a criminal one. People that tend to go off like this guy usually have a wailing mother/family/brother waiting in the wings who will beat their chest and rip out their hair in front of TV cameras over the lump of useless flesh (raging nitwit comes into mind) of a family member lying in the ground, all the while jumping for joy over the settlement money while the cameras are off and the reporters are gone. While the gym folks will say he is a good guy, that means nothing realistically. I work out with a lot of guys that are "nice" but turn out to be the biggest dinks in the world. But, their testimony is useless in a criminal case, but the only strong basis of a civil one.

This is a prime example of why one should be prepared and mostly, keep their ego to themselves. Even that one guy you "want to teach a lesson" in traffic by cutting them off after they did the same could have a gun, can follow you home and murder you in a rage. The world is becoming too packed with people not to mention (in my mind) a deterioration of the gene pool. The amount of murders due to insanity/rage is more prevalent. One must be prepared in a crazy world to combat craziness with pure insanity. But the main idea is to keep out of trouble.

Phil DeGraves
July 10, 2008, 10:39 AM
I hope for his sake the guy wasn't tapping the decedent's wife. Most prosecutors take a very, very dim view of this...

True, but it shouldn't change the fact that it was self-defense in his own home.

give
July 10, 2008, 10:50 AM
wonder if the guy was suffering from roid rage being a weight lifter

hso
July 10, 2008, 10:53 AM
Did the attacker have the means and opportunity and did the defender have a reasonable fear of grave bodily harm or death?

Sounds like it may be a justified self defense shooting since the attacker had made repeated threats via text and vmail and breaking down the door both help establish means and opportunity. All together is sounds like a justified shooting.

jaholder1971
July 10, 2008, 11:15 AM
I never said it was a bad shooting. Looks like clear cut SD.

What I am saying is that if there was indeed a love triangle here this guy may have a long row to hoe in the Criminal courts. Shooting your lover's husband, even in self defense, never plays well in front of a jury.

dewage83
July 10, 2008, 11:32 AM
This is a horrible story. If your wife cheats on you, it is not the guys fault.:banghead: He does play a large part, but blame should be placed elsewhere. I do not feel that this was unjustified, I just believe this is the worst possible out come of the situation. I wish the best to the shooter, as it must be hard to have to deal with a situation such as this mentally never mind legally.

granuale
July 10, 2008, 11:55 AM
What I am saying is that if there was indeed a love triangle here this guy may have a long row to hoe in the Criminal courts. Shooting your lover's husband, even in self defense, never plays well in front of a jury.

Actually I imagine it will "play" extraordinarily well in describing why he reasonably feared his life was in imminent danger. Remember the victim was in his own house at the time, presumably at least hours after the affair was discovered, and not caught in flagrante delicto with the attackers wife.

I can't fathom why you think this guy might have a tough time in the criminal courts merely because he appears to have aided the lady in commiting adultery? The 50 state standard for justifiable homicide is whether the shooter reasonably believed he is in imminent danger of losing his life or suffering great bodily injury. Can a clearer case be made than a guy who sends you messages that he intends to kill you, then comes to your home and bashes through the door?

jaak
July 10, 2008, 12:12 PM
dont blame the guy. guys will take most anything like that, given its put in front of them. blame the damn woman.

well, i guess he cant blame anyone now that he is no longer with us. he should have just called her a few choice words, kicked her out and dumped her. stupid move on his part.

ZeSpectre
July 10, 2008, 12:19 PM
Waaaay back in my younger days I was living in a condo and had a situation with the folks who's back balcony faced my balcony.

The guy's wife was a younger cutie but the ONLY contact I'd ever had with her was helping her change a flat tire one morning.

Still the guy got it in his head that there was "something going on" and showed up at my door one night (totally drunk) smashing on the door and carrying on. I called the cops and they showed up in time to escort him home and tell him to stay there (which he did though he spent roughly another half hour cussing at me from his balcony).

The next day the wife's actual "boyfriend" shows up over there, an argument ensues and "boytoy" pops the husband in the face (knocking him out) and wife and boytoy leave for good.

A week later the husband also moves out and I never saw any of them again (Thank God!).

I will never forget sitting in my apartment with the police on the phone, a .357 in my lap, the door to my apartment just about rattling off the hinges and the though that I was going to have to shoot this guy looping through my head. I will also never forget how HAPPY I was that I never had to do anthing else and that the cops arrived!!!

What a mess situations like that are!

moga
July 10, 2008, 12:25 PM
As far as I can tell, AR doesn't formally have Castle Doctrine, yet a person is not required to retreat if the person is in his dwelling and was not the original aggressor, or the person is a law enforcement officer or a person assisting at the direction of a law enforcement officer.

I don't think he has much to worry about criminally. Depending on how other AR statutes are written, he may or may not be shielded from civil liability.

XDKingslayer
July 10, 2008, 01:15 PM
Depending on how other AR statutes are written, he may or may not be shielded from civil liability.

Then is it time to tell people to shoot them, then drag them to Florida?

Rugerlvr
July 10, 2008, 01:34 PM
Utah also has civil immunity for justified self-defense homicide of home invaders.

Elza
July 10, 2008, 02:23 PM
jaholder1971: What I am saying is that if there was indeed a love triangle here this guy may have a long row to hoe in the Criminal courts. Shooting your lover's husband, even in self defense, never plays well in front of a jury.

There might be something to what jaholder said. Texas has some of the best laws in the country for protecting ones person and home. However, if the parties know each other or there is any kind of domestic angle, the cops take a very, very close look at the situation. Far more than if a stranger breaks in.

This is just an example folks!! I’m not suggesting anything beyond what is stated in the article.

Say the shooter and the wife are having an affair. Wife goads husband into attacking the shooter. She gets rid of said husband. This could be accomplished with or without the shooters knowledge. Even in Texas it would undergo strict scrutiny.

siglite
July 10, 2008, 02:47 PM
wonder if the guy was suffering from roid rage being a weight lifter

Beat me to it. But jealous husbands are not exclusive to juicers. They're everywhere. And it's kind of sad.

moga
July 10, 2008, 02:49 PM
Georgia also limits civil liability for justified uses of deadly force, thank goodness.

I'm surprised AR doesn't, given that it's in a part of the country that generally isn't considered RKBA hostile. Even my previous state of residence had it and it's behind the iron curtain.

MASS

sarduy
July 10, 2008, 02:55 PM
the guy lost he's life for a cheating girl :banghead:. but hey... he was going to kill Johnny

jaholder1971
July 10, 2008, 04:07 PM
jaholder said


What I am saying is that if there was indeed a love triangle here this guy may have a long row to hoe in the Criminal courts. Shooting your lover's husband, even in self defense, never plays well in front of a jury.

granaule said:

Actually I imagine it will "play" extraordinarily well in describing why he reasonably feared his life was in imminent danger. Remember the victim was in his own house at the time, presumably at least hours after the affair was discovered, and not caught in flagrante delicto with the attackers wife.

I can't fathom why you think this guy might have a tough time in the criminal courts merely because he appears to have aided the lady in commiting adultery? The 50 state standard for justifiable homicide is whether the shooter reasonably believed he is in imminent danger of losing his life or suffering great bodily injury. Can a clearer case be made than a guy who sends you messages that he intends to kill you, then comes to your home and bashes through the door?

What I'm saying is that if there was adultery here, then the possibility that a scheme to whack the guy and claim SD is very real and is going to muddy up what should be a clear case of self defense.

Not to mention that some states still have laws on the books making adultery a crime. Killing someone in the commission of a crime, anyone? Yes, grasping straws but that's what prosecutors do with your tax dollars.

Then there's always the chance you'll seat a jury that has no love for adulterers and will find no problem convicting the shooter on anything.

MarcusWendt
July 10, 2008, 05:04 PM
wonder if the guy was suffering from roid rage being a weight lifter

Since all weight lifters are on juice....:rolleyes:

Old Grump
July 10, 2008, 05:21 PM
They were friends who rode motorcycles together. When Kantaphone busted in he was drunk and Hawthorne was with his wife and kids. I can't find any report about their being an adultery connection.

drgrenthum
July 10, 2008, 06:33 PM
It shouldnt matter what the shooter did before tthe shooting incident. The deceased could have found a home movie with his wife and the shooter in it. It doesnt change the fact the deceased broke into the shooters home with the intent to harm.

Even if it was a setup as someone mentioned, no one forced the guy to break into the shooters house, in fact, the deceaseds brother was trying to stop him from doing it.

Only thing i really hate about the story is the mention of the guy being a weightlifter and much larger then the shooter. It shouldnt matter what the size of the guys are :cuss:. It concerns me that being large 6'3 300 and benching about 500lbs that if i was to shoot someone in a situation such as this that it would be frowned upon because i "should" be able to take the guy in a fight. That perhaps it was unneccassry force considering i am big and should be able to defend myself without a weapon.....All it takes is one good punch to knock me out and for them to stomp on me while i am out. Enough ranting i just thought it was unecessary in the story and they were using the guys size as justification for the shooting as opposoed to just the fact the guy busted down the door.

Werewolf
July 10, 2008, 06:48 PM
Only thing i really hate about the story is the mention of the guy being a weightlifter and much larger then the shooter. It shouldnt matter what the size of the guys are . It concerns me that being large 6'3 300 and benching about 500lbs that if i was to shoot someone in a situation such as this that it would be frowned upon because i "should" be able to take the guy in a fight.That's called disparity of force. Some states consider it an extenuating circumstance - some don't.

I live in a state that doesn't. I asked the lawyer who taught the CCW class I took about it. I said: "you mean you're telling me that if a 7' 400# guy attacks an 80 year old, 5'5" guy in a wheel chair with his fists that disparity of force won't matter?"

His answer:"nope - won't matter one bit". He continued:"What matters is did the 7' 400# guy have the means, intent and opportunity to cause grave bodily harm or death. If the answer is yes then you get a by if no then you're going to the pen."

He gave other examples that all boiled down to means, opportunity, intent adding up to a good shoot. Disparity of force didnt'.

Almost as an after thought he said:"of course there's no accounting for what a jury might do..."

Geno
July 10, 2008, 07:02 PM
Wow, you know, this could play out very interesting in a state such as Michigan, where adultry is a felony. It is not usually prosecuted, but it is a felony. Now, add to the mix that the "lover boy", killed the "lover's" husband, and well, the mix could get uuuuuugly.

.cheese.
July 10, 2008, 07:14 PM
definitely not a way to become a board member of the HOA.

texas bulldog
July 10, 2008, 07:37 PM
gotta feel for his family. they just had a raving lunatic try to break in and kill dad, and now they have to hear about his "alleged" adultery. i hope that if the adultery claims prove unfounded they will clear his name with the same publicity with which they've besmirched it.

peacedude1
July 12, 2008, 03:54 PM
you know all of you are so sure to say the mekin went crazy and kicked the door in maybe they wanted him to go crazy so they could murder him you dont know what happened all you know is what the news says but i know the fmaily personaly and did you know that jonny was having a sexual relationship with mekins wife he wasnt going there to steal something he was going there to get his wife and yeah maybe he was going to fight him but tell me if it was your wife screwing your so called friend wouldnt you want to fight him as well but see you all have no idea what really happened so if you could keep you mouth shut untill you know the whole story that would be great and his wife who takes there children over to the person that she was cheating on her husband with ....great parenting skills lets teach our kids that its okay to be unfaithful to our loved ones thats what i want my children to do


and as for jonny he could have shot him in the leg or arm or something but he didnt he was tryingto kill him so did you ever think maybe they planned it maybe they lured mekin over there and waited for him at the door and shot him in the face so his wife could get the money and run away with jonny wow theres a thought...thats not common in the usa today is it....

just a little some thing for y'all to think about

rbernie
July 12, 2008, 03:58 PM
Huh?

SCKimberFan
July 12, 2008, 04:13 PM
Double huh?

and... Whatever happened to punctuation?

Sindawe
July 12, 2008, 04:14 PM
peacedude1, grammar helps to convey the point of one's message. :D

dont blame the guy. guys will take most anything like that, given its put in front of them. blame the damn woman.

That smacks of being little more than just a cop-out to excuse acting before thinking. If the guy in question knows the woman is in an exclusive relationship with another guy, he is just as much to blame for what ills befall as the woman is.

Entering another's home unbidden, especially after voicing intent to do harm to that other's person is a good way to get yourself shot.

jaholder1971
July 12, 2008, 07:18 PM
peaceude you might want to try some punctuation beacuse I don't know what you are talking about and neither does anyone else.

While I have no love for adulterers, your spouse isn't your personal property and you certainly cannot break into other's homes and beat up the occupants even if they were. Ask OJ how that worked for him.

BTW telling folks to shut their mouths is likely a violation of the rules here so unless you want banned by the mods play nice.

Geno
July 12, 2008, 07:43 PM
If I were a friend of a given family, and I were intent on conveying facts about this situation, I would be concerned about authenticating my identity. To join a forum by the name "peacedude1" doesn't cut it for me. As I see it, the 1970s brought us "Soap-on-a-Rope". This thread has brought us "Troll-on-a-Stroll".

Doc2005

Wheeler44
July 12, 2008, 08:37 PM
Ummmm.. Peacedude, Welcome to the High Road..I think...If you have some relevant information you may want to keep it to yourself. Ya see there is going to be at least one official inquiry into the events described in the OP. If you absolutely must "share" with us all of the "facts" that you have please try writing in a way that most people can understand. Incoherent rantings without punctuation are hard to understand.

Peace,

Wheeler44

Old Grump
July 12, 2008, 09:07 PM
In your rambling diatribe you expressed the opinion that a crippling shot in the leg would have been appropriate. Only somebody who has never been in a self defense situation would make such a simple statement. A man calls and texts threats then kicks a door in. He is large drunk and mad. You are smaller and defending your family and self. Your adrenaline is through the roof and you think you will be calm enough and expert enough to hit a small target like a bone in a leg. Not likely, cops trained for situations like that have a 25% hit ratio to shots fired and this guy wasn't a cop. You shoot for center of mass and that is often fatal, always painful. Your premise might work on a TV show because the script said it will be so and so it is. You might want to read for a week or so and find out what kind of experience you are dealing with on this forum before you make your long 'run on sentence' pronouncements of how it should be.

Sato Ord
July 13, 2008, 12:25 PM
As for playing out in front of a jury, this probably won't get past the inquest. The prosecutor in this case will most likely see it as a no win situation and write it off as either justifiable homicide, or self defense.

As for whether or not the guy was actually having an affair with the dead guy's wife, we only have a line or so in the original story that implies such without any proof, it is pretty much a moot point. No one put a gun to the dead guy's head until he made threats that he was apparently capable of carrying through on, and then invaded the other man's home with obvious intent to do great bodily harm.

Not all body builders are on steroids, but that should be looked at anyway. If they do find evidence of steroid use in the dead man it could certainly have played a factor in this whole thing, and would explain why the guy was completely unreasonable. Of course, you don't have to look much past the alcohol in the guy's system to explain unreasonable behavior either.

As for blaming the woman, if there was an affair to begin with, that's fine. We have a system to handle such things, it's called divorce court. I've had two marritalectomies myself. It's a painful operation, but it beats getting yourself killed or spending the rest of your life in prison for murdering someone. Catching your spouse cheating is no excuse for being physically violent regardless of whether it is the wife or husband who is the one being unfaithful.

If anyone gets any updates on this I'd sure like to see anything the state comes up with.

Werewolf
July 13, 2008, 12:33 PM
so think about this

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you know all of you are so sure to say the mekin went crazy and kicked the door in maybe they wanted him to go crazy so they could murder him you dont know what happened all you know is what the news says but i know the fmaily personaly and did you know that jonny was having a sexual relationship with mekins wife he wasnt going there to steal something he was going there to get his wife and yeah maybe he was going to fight him but tell me if it was your wife screwing your so called friend wouldnt you want to fight him as well but see you all have no idea what really happened so if you could keep you mouth shut untill you know the whole story that would be great and his wife who takes there children over to the person that she was cheating on her husband with ....great parenting skills lets teach our kids that its okay to be unfaithful to our loved ones thats what i want my children to do


and as for jonny he could have shot him in the leg or arm or something but he didnt he was tryingto kill him so did you ever think maybe they planned it maybe they lured mekin over there and waited for him at the door and shot him in the face so his wife could get the money and run away with jonny wow theres a thought...thats not common in the usa today is it....

just a little some thing for y'all to think about

Considering the handle and post count of 1:

http://members.cox.net/werewolf1326/images/trollcrossing.gif

Or he's really serious and just a kid who's played way too many first person shooters.

Personally - I'm gonna go with:

http://members.cox.net/werewolf1326/images/troll.JPG

Scoupe
July 13, 2008, 01:02 PM
This got pretty Low Road awful quick. Peacedude actually brings up points that are not the most far-fetched stuff I've ever read or heard.


Edited version of his post:

You know, all of you are so sure to say that Mekin went crazy and kicked the door in. Maybe they wanted him to go crazy so they could murder him. You dont know what happened, all you know is what the news stories say. But I know the family personally. Did you know that Johnny was having a sexual relationship with Mekins wife? Mekin wasnt going there to steal something, he was going there to get his wife back. Yeah, maybe he was going to fight him too. But tell me, if it was your wife screwing your so-called friend, wouldn't you want to fight him as well?

But see, you all have no idea what really happened. So, if you could keep you mouth shut until you know the whole story, that would be great. Further more, consider his wife - who takes their children over to the person that she was cheating on her husband with... Wow, great parenting skills. Let's teach our kids that it's okay to be unfaithful to our loved ones. Thats what i want my children to do.

As for Johnny, he could have shot him in the leg or arm or something, but he didnt, he was trying to kill him. So, it's entirely possible Johnny and Mekin's wife planned it. Maybe they purposefully leaked the "news" to lure Mekin over there, waited for him at the door, and shot him in the face so his wife could collect insurance money and run away with Johnny. Wow, there's a thought! Crazy stuff like this is not common in the USA today, is it?

Just a little some thing for y'all to think about.
/end of edit

I read less plausible stuff on these pages daily. My guess is that English isn't Peacedude's primary language, and maybe wasn't Mr. Kankaphone's either.

rbernie
July 13, 2008, 01:36 PM
The notion that B&E and assault is an acceptable response 'to get his wife back' in the face of presumed and/or alleged marital infidelity is Neanderthalic; it places her in the role of stolen property, and it presumes that the appropriate reaction to stolen property is physical confrontation. To further expect that anyone can have the skill and presence of mind to 'shoot to wound' when confronted with a large drunk intruder is ludicrous in the extreme.

I understood Peacedude's point; it was sophmoric and ill formed and deserving of little positive response.

WinchesterAA
July 13, 2008, 04:46 PM
Wow.. having sex with the neighbors wife, killing the husband, breaking down doors, cops called...

What ever happened to decent neighbors?

FLA2760
July 13, 2008, 06:39 PM
"and as for jonny he could have shot him in the leg or arm or something but he didnt he was tryingto kill him so did you ever think maybe they planned it maybe they lured mekin over there and waited for him at the door and shot him in the face so his wife could get the money and run away with jonny wow theres a thought...thats not common in the usa today is it." ...

And as for Mekin he could have disarmed "jonny" and did him with his own gun and then killed his family. Go ask any cops you know other than SWAT officers how easy it is to hit a target such as an arm or leg when when a person is rapidly advancing on you. Assuming that you did shoot the perpetrator in said arm or leg they can still continue to fight and the result can be what I said above if the shooter is disarmed. The idea is to stop the attack and handguns are poor man stoppers when compared to rifles and shotguns. But the home defender was armed only with a handgun so a head shot halted the attack.

FLA2760
July 13, 2008, 06:40 PM
"What ever happened to decent neighbors"?

+1 and a BIG +1 to the TROLL warning.

ROKK
July 14, 2008, 12:00 AM
This is my first post here. I am not a troll. Mekin was a buddy of mine years ago before he left the state. We were also workout partners. I only want to say that when I knew him he was not a bad guy. He could be a hothead at times. I do not know the specifics of the case. I don't think alcohol or steroids are necessary to make someone lose it over a woman. As a police officer I do find it strange that he was shot in the head when most people will shoot at center mass (or the threat "gun,knife, etc.) when being rushed by someone. Also, shooting someone in the leg is not a reasonable stradegy for a civilian or most LEO's.
He made a mistake and paid the price. Whether he was set up or not he kicked in the door and paid the price.
I don't think peacedude sounds like a troll, just someone upset by some of the responses here and typed as fast as he thought. There are responses here by people with many previous posts that sound like they have no knowledge or experience to draw from.
Bottom line, he's dead now. We don't know the whole story, we can have some measure of respect for the dead.

rainbowbob
July 14, 2008, 01:31 AM
...just a little some thing for y'all to think about...

Well, perhaps if I could have waded through the unpunctuated, ramblings I could have thought about it.

Do you write that way on purpose? Why bother to write at all if nobody can read it or make sense of it?

FCFC
July 14, 2008, 09:36 AM
Still the guy got it in his head that there was "something going on" and showed up at my door one night (totally drunk) smashing on the door and carrying on. I called the cops and they showed up in time to escort him home and tell him to stay there (which he did though he spent roughly another half hour cussing at me from his balcony).

The next day the wife's actual "boyfriend" shows up over there, an argument ensues and "boytoy" pops the husband in the face (knocking him out) and wife and boytoy leave for good.

A week later the husband also moves out and I never saw any of them again (Thank God!).

I will never forget sitting in my apartment with the police on the phone, a .357 in my lap, the door to my apartment just about rattling off the hinges and the though that I was going to have to shoot this guy looping through my head. I will also never forget how HAPPY I was that I never had to do anthing else and that the cops arrived!!!

What a mess situations like that are!

You handled it very well, ZeSpectre. Kudos to you for staying cool.

No need to open the door and, luckily, no need to shoot the guy.

nerfsrule2
July 16, 2008, 02:08 AM
YEP; Sounds like Roid Rage to me!!!!!:what:

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 16, 2008, 02:40 AM
All those muscles must have sucked blood and function from the decedent's brain. Stupid, stupid.

Sorry peacedude, virtually nothing you say makes sense:

You know, all of you are so sure to say that Mekin went crazy and kicked the door in.

Yes, YOU even say that - at least you say that he went over there to start a fight, which makes the door kicking allegation more believable than not.

Maybe they wanted him to go crazy so they could murder him.

Yes, maybe. But it's still justifiable homocide based on the facts. The deceased bears the burden of knowing the law of self-defense, and ignores it at his peril.

You dont know what happened, all you know is what the news stories say.

That's true, sort of. We know that, PLUS what YOU say. And YOU say he went over there to fight him, and YOU do not deny the fact that the door was kicked in.

Did you know that Johnny was having a sexual relationship with Mekins wife?

Yes, we know that - that was part of the original story. As mentioned, that doesn't change the law of self-defense.

Mekin wasnt going there to steal something, he was going there to get his wife back.

Was she actually there? If you want your wife back, you knock on the door and ask, NOT kick the door in.

Yeah, maybe he was going to fight him too.

And with the Castle Doctrine, Make my Day law, and size disparity of the two involved, starting such a fight justifies DEADLY force being used to prevent the fight. A muscled up dude like that can kill someone with one blow.

But tell me, if it was your wife screwing your so-called friend, wouldn't you want to fight him as well?

No, not really. I'd want to divorce HER dumb butt. But if I did, I would obtain his *consent* to fight in mutual combat, not kick down his door.

But see, you all have no idea what really happened.

Yes, we do - you corroborated the story of going over there to start trouble, which reinforces that the shooting was justifiable.

So, if you could keep you mouth shut until you know the whole story, that would be great.

Well, if there's more to the story, I'd like to hear it. Are you disputing the allegation that he kicked in the door of the guy's house?

Further more, consider his wife - who takes their children over to the person that she was cheating on her husband with.

Happens all day, every day, all over this country. It's not ideal, but it doesn't justify invading someone's home, which in this country, is a man's CASTLE!

As for Johnny, he could have shot him in the leg or arm or something, but he didnt,

Yes, he could have, but that's not the best way to stop the deadly threat of a meathead bent on hurting you in your own home.

he was trying to kill him.

Possibly, or possibly, he was just try to STOP the attack. The by-products of wounds which stop an attack also happen to be detrimental to the recipient staying in an above-ground state.

So, it's entirely possible Johnny and Mekin's wife planned it. Maybe they purposefully leaked the "news" to lure Mekin over there, waited for him at the door, and shot him in the face so his wife could collect insurance money and run away with Johnny.

Maybe so; that's certainly possible. If so, he walked right into their OBVIOUS trap by doing something highly illegal and meriting deadly force being used against him. If you don't know that in America - Arkansas no less, where lots of people have guns, and you're going to attack a much smaller weaker person by KICKING IN HIS FRONT DOOR and INVADING HIS HOME, then your death is Darwin at work. In my opinion.

slzy
July 16, 2008, 07:07 AM
if roid rage exists,would'nt a pro wrestler at some point gone off in the ring after he got hit a little hard?

briansp82593
July 16, 2008, 07:12 AM
sounds just fine to me
Insane people these days...

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