Sig P229 vs. CZ P-06 vs. CZ 40B


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Macchina
July 10, 2008, 11:11 AM
I am narrowing down which .40 carry gun to get. I have it down between the three in the title. All three are aluminum framed compact pistols in .40 S&W. All three are SA/DA and dead reliable by others claims. These are my only criteria of what a pistol needs. My wants are accuracy, carriability, and overall quality. Please tell me about these pistols and your experiences with them. Thanks.

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ZeSpectre
July 10, 2008, 11:26 AM
SIG P229 is my top pick (though by a narrow margin). Some folks find they don't fit the hand well, others (like me) think they are the best thing since sliced bread.

Never fired or handled a P-06 but I suspect it'll be as high quality as everything else CZ puts out.

Have handled and fired a 40B. Nice gun but I preferred the grip style of the 75B and I really just didn't care for the "almost a 1911" style.

GZOh
July 10, 2008, 11:32 AM
Can help you with two out of three... Own the SIG P-229, the CZ P-01 (same size as P-06) and have shot P-06 a bunch (500+rnds)... but NO experience with the 40B!
Out of all of my pistols, the P-229 and the CZ P-01 are the MOST ACCURATE, without question!... The P-01 and P-06 basically have the same recoil and I found NO difference in accuracy with the P-06.
For me, the difference with both the SIG and the CZ P-06 is basically one of 'feel'.. the SIG has a more 'bulky' or full feel, whereas the P-06 is more 'refined' and fit MY hand perfect (IMO the P-06 is better for CCW). Also, the trigger-pull is TOTALLY different in both guns. The SIG is more of a 'striker-pull' trigger (more play), where the P-06 has a harder, 'solid-metal' pull.
With both SIG and CZ, there is no need to discuss QUALITY and RELIABILITY, both are awesome, flawless guns!
Regarding price, the SIG is about $200+ more NIB... but you can always go the CPO route with the SIG and get one in the $550 area!
My choice, having NOT shot the 40B, would be the P-06... basically, for 'feel', looks and $$.
Good luck... you're choosing from some great guns... you have a tough choice!
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burningsquirrels
July 10, 2008, 11:42 AM
the CZ-40b will be close to a 1911 in terms of carry, but aluminum. it can hold 12, and it eats both flat point and hollow point just fine. iirc, it'd be bigger than the P-06 and the p229, which can hurt concealability. the 40b is $289 + ship + ffl through CDNN. don't judge it by it's low price. see my sig for the short story.

Macchina
July 10, 2008, 11:46 AM
How does the 40b carry? I really like the feel of 1911's...
The price does bump it up a few notches on my list. How does its quality compare to that of the P-01/P-06? Did CZ really improve its manufacturing process with it's new pistols or is that just the usual hype trying to get customers who are on the fence?

wnycollector
July 10, 2008, 12:26 PM
I have a 40B and 3 SIG's (P6, P220 and P226). The 40b will outshoot (not by much to be totally honest!) the 2 of the 3 SIGs!

As far as how it carries, loaded with 12+1 in feels like my P220...actually I use the same holster for both! Hell for $289 how can you go wrong????

I agree with burningsquirrels, the 40B eats ALL types of ammo! Super reliable for me thus far (~700 rounds). I think burningsquirrels has ~15000 through his!

burningsquirrels
July 10, 2008, 04:19 PM
1000+ allowance a month and still rising. :)

i was using WWB, winchester personal protection, golden saber, UMC, then i sarted using messy factory reloads of all kinds of trash, and now i'm handloading both flat points and hollow points. my current round is a rainier 135grn JHP which works beautifully.

armoredman
July 10, 2008, 04:33 PM
PO6.

Macchina
July 10, 2008, 05:24 PM
I think due to price, I am going to get the 40B. I can sell a few knives and have the $370 I need to get a 40B + extra mag shipped to my FFL. I'll have to wait a few months to get a P-06. This is going to be my only gun for carry, HD, and range. I don't need to carry it in the summer with athletic shorts, is the gun concealable enough to carry with pants (I'm 5'8" and 165 lbs.)?

NG VI
July 10, 2008, 05:27 PM
Should be fine, my first "carry" gun was a fullsize USP 40, which is taller and probably longer than the 40B. Get a good belt and holster, I got my belt from Gunner's Alley, they are good people, took care of me when I had a package stolen, the 40B is sweet.

SureThing
July 10, 2008, 05:28 PM
Wasn't the 40B a hoge poge of parts that CZ threw togeher to make work? It is not even listed in their catalog, nor was it ever I think.

Any way, I vote for the P06. Sigs are good, just over priced.

burningsquirrels
July 10, 2008, 05:54 PM
the CZ-40b is on the cz-usa website in the drop-down firearms list on the top right as simply "CZ 40" with no picture.

a CZ 40b through cdnn to atlanta is $289 + $22 ship + $10 FFL, or about $321 to your hands with two 10-round magazines. cdnn sells mec-gar 12 round magazines for the 40sw CZ-75 that are $20 each.

don't dry them out, i want to get one for my bday in sept and another for xmas. :)

SureThing
July 10, 2008, 05:57 PM
Nevermind, I'm thinking of the one that used the P01 frame and the slide from the 1911 .40 they had. What was that called?


Edit: CZ 40 P, found it

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=103674684#PIC

Cliff47
July 10, 2008, 05:58 PM
The CZ40B was not a "parts-bin" special, it was a result of Colt and CZ collaborating on a pistol that Colt could use t get itself back into the LE market. As the story goes, the only feature that Colt insisted on was that the pistol have the profile of the 1911. Everything else was left to the CZ designers/engineers. Sure, a number of CZ features were pulled from the stock parts (lockwork, magazines, and I'm sure a number of other items, why reinvent the wheel?). Then Colt backed out, for reasons known only to them, as I understand it.

We are left with a fine pistol with the CZ pedigree that eats anything (reportedly) you can get in the mag and chamber, it's dead on accurate, fun as all get-out to shoot, and is currently priced right (from CDNN, anyhow). I'd be careful when ordering from CDNN, the listing in the catalog indicates an extra 10-round mag is available for $30 (mine came with 2 10-rounders). Further on in the CDNN catalog, they list the CZ75 .40 S&W 12-rounders for $19.99 (go figure), and those fit the 40B like a champ. I got mine through a GB auction from a private party for a slightly off-key song.

I'd like to see CZ put this particular pistol back in regular production.

burningsquirrels
July 10, 2008, 06:25 PM
we should start a petition for them to make more 40b pistols... and to write the USPSA NROI so i can build another one for production class. :D shooting 40sw minor is ridiculously controllable. :evil:

Macchina
July 10, 2008, 07:01 PM
So it the 40b a decent carry gun, or will it be too big? After a bit of research, I'm thinking it's going to be difficult to carry a 40b, and I may have save up the extra $200 and go for the P-06. Does anyone have a comparison pic between the 40b and P-01 (or any other compact pistol)? I can't find a 40b anywhere in town to try out.

SureThing
July 10, 2008, 07:04 PM
No, the 40 P was the parts bin gun.

burningsquirrels
July 10, 2008, 07:07 PM
the p-06 has a shorter grip, which will stick out less. the shorter p-06 barrel/slide will make it easier to draw since you don't pull it up as much, but that's really a moot point unless you're talking a 6" revolver versus a 3" subcompact lol.

the overall size of a 40b will be similar to a thick 1911, and a little thinner than a para double stack 1911.

if you're in georgia, you can shoot my 40b no prob. :)

wnycollector
July 10, 2008, 07:22 PM
Go to a gun store and check out a full sized SIG (P220 or P226) the 40B is ~ same size.

burningsquirrels
July 10, 2008, 07:25 PM
on that thought, how about a ruger p97, since that's the paddle holster that works for the 40b?

wnycollector
July 10, 2008, 07:42 PM
Personally I can't carry ANY full sized auto during the summer. I pocket carry a airweight S&W J frame during the summer. Fall to spring, with untucked shirts, I carry a SIG P220 (and this fall a 40b!!!).

The 40B is a full sized pistol, but make no mistake, it can be carried if you choose to!

basicblur
July 10, 2008, 08:29 PM
Mebbe that would make a difference in what gun you choose?
I know the USPC40 wasn't on your list, but I like the civilian carry options in Variant 1 if you decide to carry with a round in the chamber (round in chamber, de-cocked, safety on)-atís about as safe as it gets for a civilian to carry with one in the pipe.

FWIW...
I've got a P229R in 357 SIG and a USPC40, and I think the USPC40 shoots softer than the P229R/357 SIG.

Now I don't know exactly how you compare recoil AFA 357 SIG v 40 S&W, but I'd heard an "expert" make the statement 'bout how much the 357 SIG kicks, but in my P229R I can't tell much difference between it and the 40 S&W.

'Course, my P229R does have a LaserMax in it-not an option with the USPC40 if you might be into that sort of thing down the road?

BTWÖI must have small hands (wear medium/large gloves) as I canít find many SIGs or HKs that will fit my hand?
The P229R and USPC are Ďbout the only 2 that Iíve found so far that didnít have too large a grip.

JackBauerWannabe
July 10, 2008, 10:02 PM
pssh get the P229....thats what Jack Bauer would do!

Macchina
July 10, 2008, 10:04 PM
Looks like I'm saving up for the P-06 then... Just made a sale, $300 more to go...

Rmac58
July 10, 2008, 10:22 PM
Another vote for a P-06, .40 S&W. I use the cheapest rounds available, reloads, QUITE accurate.

wnycollector
July 11, 2008, 10:09 AM
CZ 40B
Overall Length 8.1 in
Barrel Length 4.7 in
Height 5.4 in
Width 1.4 in

CZP01 (couldnt find P06:(
Overall Length 7.2 in
Barrel Length 3.9 in
Height 5.3 in
Width 1.4 in

That 1" smaller is pretty expensive!

burningsquirrels
July 11, 2008, 10:18 AM
for some reason last time i saw a p-01 it looked a lot shorter than my 40b...

Macchina
July 11, 2008, 11:07 AM
Wow, they are closer than I thought! Looks like length is the only real difference. Now I'm back on the fence! I wish a gun shop had one in stock around here...

burningsquirrels
July 11, 2008, 11:28 AM
where are you located?

wnycollector
July 11, 2008, 11:39 AM
If I were a new handgun shooter I would prefer to get essentially the same pistol for $200 cheaper and spend the difference on 500 rounds of .40 ammo
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=247315

and a good holster
http://www.cowboyneeds.com/418.html

Let me also add a disclaimer...I do not own CZ stock nor work for CZ;)

Seriously, the 40B is an excellent pistol for the $$$. It is essentially an aluminum framed CZ 75 with a 1911 grip.

burningsquirrels
July 11, 2008, 11:56 AM
wnycollector, is that the holster you're using? what did you enter for 'model' when ordering?

wnycollector
July 11, 2008, 12:04 PM
No, I just thought it might be a nice IWB for summer carry. I use the model 420 (belt slide) and 570 (pancake). I can carry, all 3 of my SIGs (P6, P220 and P226) and the 40B in those holsters!

burningsquirrels
July 11, 2008, 12:10 PM
right now i got that ru-97 pancake but it doesn't hold it anywhere near my body. if i carry a 40b it has to be a different one than my comp gun, since it's SAO and no fpb installed, and the 360* staircase traction tape will eat my skin and clothing lol. until i find more money, i'm stuck with the xd-9 subcompact. no, not a bad choice for carry either. i'm probably going to end up getting a nice IWB holster for it until i can get another 40b, or perhaps a PCR/p-01/p-06/rami used.

gtmerkley
July 11, 2008, 12:19 PM
WHY Not all.

borntwice
July 12, 2008, 02:55 AM
I have a P-01, which to my understanding is very similiar to the P-06, only in 9mm. I love my P-01, and highly recommend it for its ergonomics, accuracy, and reliability. It is a "comforting" pistol to carry, in my opinion. I am also seriously considering purchasing a CZ 40-B, as it is such a deal, and I would like to have a .40 cal. CZ, as well.

SimpleIsGood229
July 12, 2008, 03:47 PM
SIG P229 is my top pick (though by a narrow margin). Some folks find they don't fit the hand well, others (like me) think they are the best thing since sliced bread.
You and me, both! When I shopping for a defense handgun, I picked up everything I possibly could. It came down to the SIG P229 and CZ P-01. The CZ felt good, but its trigger wasn't very good. Also, the ''beavertail'' has sharp edges that bit into the web of my hand.

The SIG felt (heck, still feels!) great in my hand and has a much better trigger. I got the SIG, and just put round #5000 through it. I completely love my SIG! People complain about the bore axis being high--which it is--but I grip it so high, it doesn't much matter. Sure they tend to be overpriced, but I'd rather just cry once...;)

michaelmcgo,
Pick them up multiple times, over a length of time, and let your hand dictate what you get.

rbernie
July 12, 2008, 03:54 PM
I have owned six CZ75 variants and nine Sig 'classic' variants. In my opinion, the CZ is more ergonomic but the the Sig has a far better design and exhibits better construction fitment. I'd favor the Sig, of the three choices you offered.

My daily carry is a M&P 40S&W, for what it's worth.

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