Trip to VA Circuit Court


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swift535
July 11, 2008, 07:08 PM
Went to the courthouse today to apply for my CHP. I was home earlier than usual, so I figured it was my best chance on a normal day to get to the courthouse. Of course, they stop fingerprinting at 3pm :rolleyes: Sure must be nice to work from 9-3 instead of 6-3, and have a 45 minute commute lol.

What I was really disappointed in though, was the lack of knowledge from the courthouse staff. There was an older lady there looking for information on applying for her own permit, because she had some recent events which made her feel she needed one for self-defense. She was asking the clerk if the permit was only good for one city, which is very basic information, and the clerk had no idea.

I tried to help her out and answer her questions, but I couldn't help thinking 1) for people who have full time jobs, the whole procedure isn't very accessible and 2) there's something wrong when the people in the courthouse can't give you information on the law, especially when its something they deal with on a regular basis.

I wonder if a petition or something would gain any ground on fingerprinting hours. Even if the total hours they're open remained the same, but they worked like 1-7pm Monday-Tuesday and 9-3 Wednesday-Friday.

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Standing Wolf
July 11, 2008, 07:34 PM
I wonder if a petition or something would gain any ground on fingerprinting hours.

Sounds like a good place to start. If that doesn't make government accessible, I'd suggest replacing the people at the top: they're public servants, not masters.

W.E.G.
July 11, 2008, 07:36 PM
which court?

Apple a Day
July 11, 2008, 07:37 PM
What county are you in?

MAKster
July 11, 2008, 09:17 PM
There is no state requirement for fingerprinting in Virginia. Some counties/cities require fingerprints as a way to make it more of a hassle. I got my permit by sending a notarized application by mail and had no contact with a real person. Here is a link to the Virginia State Police which has lots of info.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm

swift535
July 11, 2008, 09:25 PM
I know there's no state requirement, but I wasn't sure whether my country required it or not so I showed up figuring they'd tell me if I needed fingerprinted, and they did.

This is in James City County (Williamsburg). To expand on my original post, I hope people don't read it into it that the people at the court weren't helpful. They were amiable and quick to respond just the clerk next to me wasn't sure how to answer the lady's questions, and I was a bit taken back by that.

jagugator
July 12, 2008, 11:32 AM
When I did mine in Virginia Beach I was fully expecting the fingerprinting and the question "Why do you need this" but the whole epierience went like this.

Nice lady behind counter (Nlbc): May I help you?
Me: I am here to apply for a concealed weapon permit.
Nlbc: Do you have an application?
Me: Here it is already filled out and noterized.
Nlbc: Ok that will be $50.00
Me: Here you go.
Nlbc: Here's your receipt.
Me: Thank you!
Nlbc: Have a nice day

About 3 minutes at the counter and 22 days later my permit was in my mailbox. I just love it when things go like they are supposed to.

Reverend73
July 12, 2008, 12:01 PM
Virginia Beach is awesome for CCW permits.

Floppy_D
July 12, 2008, 01:49 PM
I did mine in Norfolk, and I had to go down to the jailhouse and get printed. That's cool that VB doesn't require it.

eng23ine
July 12, 2008, 03:39 PM
I'm sure that about any local police officer can and would print you if you asked.

Then just take your print card with you, and maybe save a few $$ in the process.

brickeyee
July 12, 2008, 04:01 PM
Even Fairfax does not require prints.

It was just another way to try and make things more difficult.

Arlington County was requiring prints even on renewals until the state law stopped that junk.

I still remember Arlington trying to collect $45 for the police department, $45 for the sheriff's department, and $45 for the Commonwealths Attorney's office.

The State AG put a quick halt to it.

countertop
July 12, 2008, 06:43 PM
I know there's no state requirement, but I wasn't sure whether my country required it or not so I showed up figuring they'd tell me if I needed fingerprinted, and they did.

They can't ask for fingerprints. You ought to contact VCDL about that.

Someone else already discussed how easy the process is - and that was in Virginia Beach i think. Its pretty easy in Fairfax too, i got my renewal in 15 days.

This is in James City County (Williamsburg). To expand on my original post, I hope people don't read it into it that the people at the court weren't helpful. They were amiable and quick to respond just the clerk next to me wasn't sure how to answer the lady's questions, and I was a bit taken back by that.

I couldn't help thinking 1) for people who have full time jobs, the whole procedure isn't very accessible and 2) there's something wrong when the people in the courthouse can't give you information on the law, especially when its something they deal with on a regular basis.

Well, of course its not the Clerks job to answer questions on how to fill out forms. If they made a mistake, I'd bet you'd get real ticked at them too. Most will be helpful, but many won't cause their 1) bureaucrats and 2) deal with ******* lawyers 3/4 of the time (speaking as a lawyer). If the woman didn't know what to do, she could have contacted the state police or hired a lawyer (again, speaking as a lawyer).

As to the hours, well . . . those are the hours any government building is open. You could have mailed the application in, or hired a lawyer, or did as you did - get off work early . . . . or gone into work late (which is what I did when I renewed).

swift535
August 6, 2008, 05:56 PM
Well to my surprise my CHP showed up in yesterday's mail, opened the envelope this morning before work :) Not bad, applied on the 11th and in my wallet on the 6th.

Huckle2
August 6, 2008, 06:14 PM
Congrats!
Sure beats the 7 weeks I waited here in NC, and I had to go pick mine up!
Be safe.

jetrecbn
August 6, 2008, 07:03 PM
Did my in Petersburg, VA. Still going; took 40 days for the PD to get my background after that the court clerk said they have 45 days. It's day 67 and counting.

bnkrazy
August 7, 2008, 09:35 AM
Did my in Petersburg, VA. Still going; took 40 days for the PD to get my background after that the court clerk said they have 45 days. It's day 67 and counting.

That doesn't sound right. They have 45 days from the "date of receipt noted on the application."

You should be issued a temporary permit until your permit is approved or denied. If they are dragging their feet, join the VCDL if you aren't a member already. ;) Then, contact the VCDL and they should be able to help you sort it out.

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm#IfYourApplicationisNotCompletewithin45Days



I know there's no state requirement, but I wasn't sure whether my country required it or not so I showed up figuring they'd tell me if I needed fingerprinted, and they did.
They can't ask for fingerprints. You ought to contact VCDL about that.

First time applicants can be fingerprinted if the county of residence requires it. Renewals are not subject to the same process and should not include fingerprinting.

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm#PermitRenewal

Happiness Is A Warm Gun
August 7, 2008, 10:03 AM
They can't ask for fingerprints. You ought to contact VCDL about that.

Someone else already discussed how easy the process is - and that was in Virginia Beach i think. Its pretty easy in Fairfax too, i got my renewal in 15 days.

Sadly this is NOT correct.

THEY CAN require (not ask) for fingerprint card. The way state law is written it leaves it up to each locality. Chesapeake and Norfolk are one of the few locations that REQUIRE a fingerprint card. No exceptions. No card = no permit and it is 100% legal under VA state law.

The VCDL is working to remove the restriction. It makes no sense that my neighbor less than 5 miles away in Va Beach needs no fingerprint card but I do in Chesapeake.

It is completely done to make it more of a hassle and keep number of CHP down.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun
August 7, 2008, 10:07 AM
Did my in Petersburg, VA. Still going; took 40 days for the PD to get my background after that the court clerk said they have 45 days. It's day 67 and counting.

Go to courthouse. In VA they MUST (it is shall issue) do one of the 3 in 45 days (not 46 days or 67 days).
1) Issue permit
2) Issue letter explaining reason for denial and allow applicant to request hearing
3) Stamp/certify your original application as a temporary CHP for 90 days until your card is issued.

So if you card isn't ready and they haven't denied you THEY MUST issue you a temp permit (which is your stamped application). They have no choice under state law.

So go to courthouse and ask for a temp permit. If they give you any flack show them copy of law. Lastly contact VCDL. Even if you get permit still join the VCDL they are a great organization fighting for gun rights in VA.

FieroCDSP
August 7, 2008, 10:16 AM
THEY CAN require (not ask) for fingerprint card. The way state law is written it leaves it up to each locality. Chesapeake and Norfolk are one of the few locations that REQUIRE a fingerprint card. No exceptions. No card = no permit and it is 100% legal under VA state law.


Another reason to get behind state-wide rules for this kind of stuff. Preemption makes life a whole lot easier, not only in knowing the law, but in the way it's enforced.

MMCSRET
August 7, 2008, 11:13 AM
I carry an Idaho permit and recently moved to Montana and applied for a Montana permit, all the Under sheriff did was take my picture and prints and issue the permit, no fee because he did not have to do a check because my Idaho permit was current. When I got my Idaho permit last year it took less than 30 minutes to fill out the questionaire, print, photo and it was issued based on the nics check, out the door with a hearty thank you from the sheriff for coming in and getting it. He said he wished everybody in his county that could qualify would apply and get a permit.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun
August 7, 2008, 11:28 AM
Another reason to get behind state-wide rules for this kind of stuff. Preemption makes life a whole lot easier, not only in knowing the law, but in the way it's enforced.

The annoying thing is VA does have preemption. The VA legislature dropped the ball by making the wording of the statute vauge. Initially most localities believed fingerprinting was required. The state clarified it is not required but didn't make it not allowed either.

They state has the only authority to pass firearms laws but in this case they screwed up.

magnumman44
August 7, 2008, 11:35 AM
It's amazing how different VA is. I live in Wise County and only paid 15.00 + 2.50 to laminate it. It only took 21 days from application date, but I did have to pick it up!

fordfan485
August 7, 2008, 11:43 AM
I had to get fingerprinted in Henrico County,Va 2 years ago when I got my permit. Only part that was a pain was they don't mail your permit you have to go pick it up from the courthouse. They screwed up on the first one by printing my address wrong on it. So I had to wait about a month after that to finally get my permit and drive down there again.

Wayne D
August 7, 2008, 01:11 PM
When I got my permit they gave me a paper with the state laws (where I couldn't carry, etc). They don't do that now?

doc2rn
August 7, 2008, 01:48 PM
9-3 you are lucky, ours you have to be there at the sherriff dept by noon and jail is open from 1-3 for fingerprinting.

DrewH
August 7, 2008, 02:20 PM
Some history kind of forgotten here. When Virginia's shall issue CCW went into force in the mid-1990s, fingerprinting was mandatory for all of them. VCDL, or at the time NVCDL (it was founded in northern Virginia), fought fingerprinting hard but was only able to get the current "local option" compromise passed. Much later they were able to strip out all fingerprinting for renewal.

Surprisingly, Fairfax County, a pretty liberal place, doesn't require fingerprints.

The first shall issue CCW permits were two years as well...later changed to five.

dirtygrunt95
August 7, 2008, 03:29 PM
Yeah I applied in fairfax on 26 jul but am not holding my breath for a quick issuance. They are famous for taking the full 45 days allowed, but can't wait to get it any ways. I was suprised also that fairfax didn't require finger prints.

bnkrazy
August 7, 2008, 03:29 PM
DrewH....

You didn't happen to graduate from Louisa Co high in '98 did you? I had a friend with your name and last initial that I haven't seen in a long time.

bnkrazy
August 7, 2008, 03:31 PM
Regarding fingerprinting, you think you could FOIA out the number of times fingerprinting of CCW applicants has solved a crime? I might write up a request and see what happens. Or has it already been done? I'm interested to see the the results...even if I'm pretty sure of the answer already.

Realbigo
August 7, 2008, 03:39 PM
Happiness, I too live in Chesapeake, and bought my first pistols in VaBeach w/ the $10 purchase permit. Do you happen to remember if they fingerprinted for it?

Happiness Is A Warm Gun
August 7, 2008, 04:00 PM
Happiness, I too live in Chesapeake, and bought my first pistols in VaBeach w/ the $10 purchase permit. Do you happen to remember if they fingerprinted for it?

I am not sure I understand the question.

There is no "purchase permit" anywhere in VA today (not sure if there ever was).

You can purchase any firearm (other than Class III/NFA items) without any license or permit.
You can open carry w/o any license or permit.

To conceal carry you need a CHP. The fee is no more than $50.
Depending on your city (where you live not where you buy the firearm) you may need fingerprints.

On the southside I know Va Beach & Suffolk do not require a fingerprint card. Chesapeake & Norfolk require a fingerprint card. Chesapeake uses the digital system (not something I like). I am not sure about Hampton, Newport News, or Portsmouth.

cpttango30
August 7, 2008, 04:05 PM
I might be wrong but stafford doesn't do finger prints either. You go in there with your app and money and something showing you know how to handle a firearm and your done. For me it is a DD214 the app and money. I have just been lazy and not done it yet.

Realbigo
August 7, 2008, 04:29 PM
Yeah Chesapeake($75), Va Beach($10), Norfolk, And Porstmouth(both$15) ALL had Purchase permits for handguns until about 5 years ago. It was one of the "Local Statutes" that were determined to be in Violation of The Va Constitution. Along w/ Chesapeakes "Carrying a Loaded Weapon" law. Trust me on that. I'm still trying to get my record expunged from that one. And so far, the VCDL has been no help either.

jetrecbn
August 7, 2008, 09:12 PM
I'll give the county clerk a call tomorrow and see what is holding up the process. The only thing I am leary about is becoming "that guy" that complained and got his license denied.:)

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