GQ Style Guy is a definite Anti


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Prince Yamato
July 12, 2008, 04:42 AM
As some of you may know from my other posts, I am a fan of GQ Magazine. I like reading about new fashions and current trends in clothing. Some of this is because I have a broad artistic side and some of this is because I like to wear my gun under something other than a Hawaiian shirt. At any rate, one of the first sections I turn to in GQ is The Style Guy. The columnist is Glenn O'Brien, an individual I know nothing about personally except for the fact that he has good fashion sense, except in one area apparently. In the July issue of GQ, an article comes in from a gun owner in Alabama. I could not find the article online, so I will type it in its entirety here on the forum:

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> I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Alabama. I wear a Springfield Armory 1911 EMP chambered in nine milimeters. (I carry hollowpoints of course). It's a pretty sexy gun. It looks great with a suit or with ranch gear. What's the GQ view on concealed firearms?

>>I always felt a little uneasy dining in a certain famous Chinese restaurant in New York when it filled with hip-hop personalities, as it often did. I found myself closely examining both the wine list and potential lines of fire. I think what everyone overlooks when discussing the Second Amendment today is that its writers were actually concerned with dirks, sabers, cudgels, and muzzle-loaders, not semiautomatic weapons. I guess I'd be okay with concealed muzzle-loaders, but I would generally prefer an unarmed population, including John Law and you. I prefer words as lethal weapons.

OK, what the hell? Now, the funny thing is, the British edition of this magazine has a shooting section devoted to things like proper attire for skeet and hunting- and no, it's not mossy oak.

I respect this guy's opinion on things like white shoes, cardigans, and suits, but where does he get the gall to go from dictating fashion laws to dictating firearms laws? The question asked was clearly, "what are the fashion laws concerning carrying a firearm?" I guess I'm just ranting here. Well, I guess it's Esquire for me from now on!

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Standing Wolf
July 12, 2008, 04:55 AM
...I would generally prefer an unarmed population, including John Law and you. I prefer words as lethal weapons.

I've been hoping to hear from more metrosexuals.

Golden Hound
July 12, 2008, 05:15 AM
"Hip-hop personalities" tend to be morons who love shooting at each other in public places over rap "beefs" despite being multi-millionaires. (You can take them out of the gutter, but you can't take the gutter out of them.) And I wouldn't be caught dead at some overpriced celeb-magnet restaurant, and I prefer to stay the hell out of New York whenever possible.

That writer - like most people who write for style magazines, I imagine - lives in an ivory tower. If he came down here to Indiana, which has one of the highest CC populations in the country, I think he'd feel pretty safe eating at any restaurant here.

Dark_Harvest
July 12, 2008, 05:16 AM
if you're looking for a mainstream men's magazine to affirm your beliefs...


i'd ***something edited***

:banghead: neither of which will ever happen... :banghead:

HK G3
July 12, 2008, 05:46 AM
I always felt a little uneasy dining in a certain famous Chinese restaurant in New York when it filled with hip-hop personalities

Sounds like he's a racist to boot.

Zach S
July 12, 2008, 06:43 AM
I've never actually seen an issue of GQ, but I wear wrangler jeans, hanes or dickies t shirts, and combat boots. $300 can buy me a years worth of clothes, another $100 bucks every three years or so for boots (steel toed boots are purchased by the company), so I could really care less about GQ. That reminds me, its about time to order another pair of boots from Altama...

But back to the subject at hand, its a fashion magazine. The editor simply stated his view on firearms, if you write to the other magazine you mentioned, you may get a simular answer.

I wouldn't stop reading HRM or MM&FF because they employed an anti-gun editor. But then again I wouldn't write to a motorsports magazine with a gun question either.

Although I do agree that the EMP is a good looking pistol, as most 1911s with a good finish are, I still cant get used to the stainless upper and black lower. It still looks backwards.

GlowinPontiac
July 12, 2008, 06:45 AM
It's NYC so more than likely anyone carrying is doing so illegally.

Golden Hound
July 12, 2008, 06:48 AM
G3 being uneasy around "hip hop personalities" is a far cry from racist. Please. Like I said, these guys are known for shooting each other in crowded clubs over feuds and "beefs" in the record industry. When they're not doing that, they're crashing their Ferraris into telephone poles or overdosing on cocaine.

It's a culture of crime and ignorance. It's got *nothing* to do with the color of their skin.

45Badger
July 12, 2008, 06:57 AM
but where does he get the gall to go from dictating fashion laws to dictating firearms laws?

What gall? The only thing he did was voice an opinion and preference. He didn't dictate anything. He didn't come across as a shrill, foaming at the mouth, anti-gun freak.

I like shooting- some folks don't. I like the second amendment- some folks don't. I ccw- some folks don't. I like hunting- sme folks don't. It's OK to disagree. Makes the world more interesting;)

Catalina
July 12, 2008, 07:50 AM
Prince, I've read Style Guy for years. He is steeped in NYC and that lifestyle. The closest he's ever come to anything remotely related to ANYTHING here on THR or in our gun culture lifestyle is perhaps he has strolled by the Beretta store on Madison Avenue (which I highly recommend)

http://www.berettagallery.com/index.aspx?m=53&did=355

I think I'll make his head explode and ask him how to get the pit stains out of my t-shirts.

Deanimator
July 12, 2008, 09:21 AM
It's a culture of crime and ignorance. It's got *nothing* to do with the color of their skin.
It doesn't HAVE to have anything to do with it.. but it usually DOES.

Most of the hardcore anti-gunners I've talked to weren't afraid of guns. They were afraid of BLACK people WITH guns, and it didn't matter who they were or what they did. They treat Black people as subhumans. They're the same ones you see on police blogs referring to Black people as "savages". They're the ones most likely to use racial slurs against Blacks (and Jews) who refuse to endorse fascistic gun controls on command.

One of them got a REAL education in usenet soc.culture.african.american.moderated. He goosestepped in, the "White man's burden" prominently hoisted on his shoulder, a "liberal" White man who was going to lead the "natives" into civilization... under HIS tutelage of course. It was one of the epic smackdowns in usenet history. I said to him, "Dave, you've done something NOBODY has EVER been able to do here before. You've united Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives and even socialists... in their sheer contempt for you." He kept trying to steer EVERY discussion toward my opposition to racist gun controls. He refused to take ANY direction from the Black moderators. He was eventually given the boot, after a whiny diatribe about how he wasn't "respected" for what he'd "done" for Black people and how Black people "owed" him.

It's been years and he STILL hasn't recovered from it, preferring the echo chamber at the Daily KOS.

hksw
July 12, 2008, 09:23 AM
I prefer words as lethal weapons.

Must be a big fan of Hitler and Pol Pot.

Eleven Mike
July 12, 2008, 09:29 AM
They guy wrote to a fashion magazine, asking for their opinion on concealed carry. He got it.

Deanimator, you owe us a link. :)

Jimmy Dean
July 12, 2008, 09:59 AM
Hey Zach I just ordedred a new pair of black 9" steel toes from Altama, hope to have em later this week. :)

I was wanting to find some 9-10" steel toe jungle boots with the OD Green inserts, wasnt able to though

wheelgunslinger
July 12, 2008, 10:04 AM
Meh. He's a fashion guy. You wouldn't really care too much what a plumber thought of your fashion choices, would you? Likewise for style guy and cc.

hankdatank1362
July 12, 2008, 10:19 AM
I like CARGO magazine much better. Not as metro as GQ, and no pretentiousness. No "male enhancement" ads. Just cool electronics and nice clothes.

jahwarrior
July 12, 2008, 10:46 AM
the style guy is just stating his opinion, which is what he was asked to do. his opinion is, he doesn't like guns. and, come to think of it, who the hell would ask a stylist what he thinks about guns?

bumm
July 12, 2008, 11:01 AM
I didn't like the Gun Control Act of 1968, but I still dress that way.
Marty

Mongrel
July 12, 2008, 11:03 AM
What the heck is GQ?

I always thought it meant GENERAL QUARTERS...

I *really* miss Sears Roebuck *sigh*

MGshaggy
July 12, 2008, 11:06 AM
The first part of concealed carry is concealed. If its concealed, it shouldn't be seen; so where's the fashion issue if no one other than yourself is going to see it? If you need to pull it out, I doubt anyone is going to be as concerned with your fashion faux pas of wearing a brown holster with a black suit (gasp!) as with getting out of the line of fire. Sure, the cops may see it later, but what do they know about fashion; they always wear the same blue suit and have you seen those outfits?

SJG26
July 12, 2008, 11:38 AM
is sent over to Pink Pistols..........................lol

bogie
July 12, 2008, 11:59 AM
GQ pretty much screwed Knob Creek when they told them they were going to do a "nice" piece on 'em. That's one of the reasons why Kenny doesn't like the press very much.

BReilley
July 12, 2008, 12:25 PM
I have to agree with the OP in his irritation.

In your local newspaper, there probably is a column for car care/repair advice.
Suppose the writer submitted a question about an electrical problem in his Land Rover. Suppose the columnist, rather than round-file the submission, chose to write a public response all about how he thinks Land Rovers are economically and environmentally irresponsible, and how he'd prefer an SUV-free population, including "you".

The submitted question was not answered at all, and the column was used as a soapbox for the columnist to voice his political view in a very "you're part of the problem" way. I think it's lame, deliberately accusatory, and I'd say it's worth sending a nasty letter to the editor.

Restorer
July 12, 2008, 12:59 PM
Ok, here's what he really said;

" The Style Guy" firmly believes that your options to defend your life in a thug-infested Chinese restaurant should not be limited to shootouts. The first rule is to avoid the Mongolian Beef. There are probably not that many Mongols in the restaurant to be offended by refusing to eat their food. Ghenghis Khan did not wield chopsticks."

"Situational awareness is your best dining buddy. Be aware of where the thugs nest and avoid any lanes of crossfire. A companion of mine had his new coiffure and gel positively ruined one night by a bling ricochet. He also got a really nasty rash when some shameless harlot made a run at him and brushed against his cheek with her Italian handbag. How gauche. Imagine carrying an Italian bag to a Chinese place. I'm sure some Asians and/or Asian-Americans were offended. Most importantly, be aware of the nearest exit lane. If something untoward were to happen, you need to be the first out the door. 'Beat feet' is always right. It must be something about wearing French shoes."

"The Style guy" recommends not carrying any firearm. If you feel you must, reprehensible as we find it, follow these guidelines: (1) Chose a dry weapon. You don't want to pay a dry cleaning bill from a nasty oil stain. (2) Chose a weapon that fits your hand well. Chipping a nail while trying to accommodate a long trigger pull takes a while to grow out. (3) Use only a one-hand grip for the same reason. Don't risk damaging nails on two hands. (4) Obviously, chose a weapon with a color to match your complexion. You don't want to look tacky when you draw down on hostile papparrazi. Anything with a black slide is OK as long as you are wearing black. (5) Accessorize. Crocodile grips matching your crocodile shoes look really butch. (6) Chose a holster of suitable fabric. Obviously. (7) Location, location, location. Nothing looks worse than a bulge under silk *giggle*."

"Of utmost importance is keeping your IPhone address directory up to date with the names and numbers of the best attorneys. You might be jailed just for having a weapon! If someone does discover that you are carrying (almost unavoidable during a group hug) you might be accused of being a (gasp!) Conservative. In which case you hit the speed-dial button for your buds at the ACLU."

Yours in tastefulness,
"The Style Guy"


Er, ah, sorry about that. I live in Alabama ,too, and I take offense that a fellow 'Bamian needed to address GQ for firearms advise. Maybe I'll sue.

Yours in tastelessness,
Restorer

Mongrel
July 12, 2008, 01:56 PM
Go back to the original post and re-read the Op's question:

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> I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Alabama. I wear a Springfield Armory 1911 EMP chambered in nine milimeters. (I carry hollowpoints of course). It's a pretty sexy gun. It looks great with a suit or with ranch gear. What's the GQ view on concealed firearms?


See that highlighted text up there? That's the problem. The way the question was posed was an open door for the response he gave. "What's the GQ view on concealed firearms?" NOT-What do you recommend for someone who is LEGALLY able to carry a firearm. Trust me, the response would have been the same-BUT your 'right' to bitch would have carried more weight...

BTW-Restorer, absolutely "mahvelous" piece of writing. :D

KelVarnson
July 12, 2008, 02:29 PM
Great stuff there, Restorer. Too bad there's not a "Best of THR", I would nominate your post. However, I think you forgot "No pearl grips after Labor Day".

conw
July 12, 2008, 02:39 PM
a) Restorer, that was hilarious!

b) There is absolutely nothing (inherently) racist about being "made nervous" by an actual hip-hop personality who may have rapped about violence. Nor, I would argue, anything inherently racist about being made nervous by a young black man who is emulating the rapper's dress with his line of clothing and constantly mouthing his lyrics. I'd be nervous whether I saw Eminem or Snoop Dogg in my restaurant. (One's white and one's black, and no I don't like rap.)

c) I think the question wasn't even real. Who the hell says "chambered in nine millimeters?"

Smith
July 12, 2008, 02:45 PM
The argument the fashion guy presented has to be the weakest one around. First off, the Founding Fathers were not stupid. They knew technological advances would come in the field of firearms. Their reason for including the right to keep and bear arms was a defense against a tyrannical government, so it would only make sense that they would want the people armed with the most up-to-date weaponry available. It's also kinda funny that you can't even legally carry revolutionary war era weaponry today in many areas anyway. Second, how about we apply the same thinking to the other amendments? Should we, the citizens, only be permitted to use a printing press while the government has free reign over the tv, radio, and internet? It amazes me every time I hear someone bring up this argument. And that was some nice writing there, Restorer. lol

conw
July 12, 2008, 03:00 PM
The other possibility is that he asked something else, since it said "packing advice," and they could have changed the last sentence of his letter. Like from "what kind of pants should I wear with slightly baggy dress shirts." I suspect the fashion guy would have been equally mortified though...

misANTHrope
July 12, 2008, 03:28 PM
The submitted question was not answered at all, and the column was used as a soapbox for the columnist to voice his political view in a very "you're part of the problem" way. I think it's lame, deliberately accusatory, and I'd say it's worth sending a nasty letter to the editor.

Um, how was the submitted question not answered? The question was how GQ felt about concealed weapons. The answer explained how the writer felt about concealed weapons. Seems like the only way he could have better answered the question would have been to poll the entire staff.

yesit'sloaded
July 12, 2008, 09:59 PM
I thought everyone knew that the only thing to wear with a tux was a stainless 1911 or Walther PPK.

Nate C.
July 13, 2008, 05:48 AM
I read the article. Aside from an occasional photospread of a scantily-clad really beautiful supermodel, the magazine is a monthly example of everything that is gone wrong with our nation.

Having said that, the author is entitled to his opinion, and the readers are entitled to spend their money elsewhere.

Brian Dale
July 13, 2008, 06:20 AM
Okay, first: Italian shoes with a Beretta; boots with a 1911; a Colt 1903 with formal wear.

Restorer hit it.

I don't ask my plumber for medical advice, nor my doctor for advice on my kitchen renovation. On rap, the field in which hip-hop grew: the original Man from Mars was one of the greatest recordings ever made.

Glenn O'Brien wrote, "I would generally prefer an unarmed population, including John Law and you. I prefer words as lethal weapons."

Well, yes, that would be nice. I would generally prefer a population where everyone was honest and decent, in which I could read all day with occasional breaks for socializing with witty, attactive members of *insert your preference here*, but we haven't created that world yet. I imagine that John Law would prefer the same thing.

Hey, we all have a brain fart now and then.

hankdatank1362
July 13, 2008, 11:38 AM
Clever. You know, we do have some brothers and sisters on this site that may not practice the same sexual orientation that you do right?

jaholder1971
July 13, 2008, 12:42 PM
True, but GQ caters to metrosexuals. They're pretty much hated by everyone.:neener:

Restorer
July 13, 2008, 01:10 PM
Oh, I don't think I actually hate them. I've got more important things to hate; I have to ration. Deep within most metros lies a man. A good prolonged dose of testosterone might cause him to grow a pair.

Aha! That could force a mutation. The dawn of MachoMetro-Man.
A man like that we mere men might ask with all confidence questions like ..."If I had to cap that thug sitting in front of the red flocked wallpaper, should I go for a head shot to create an interesting abstract art pattern or should I be considerate of his dining partners and put two in the torso? BTW, I'll be shooting 9mm 147gr JHP's, so take that into consideration when thinking of abstract art splatters."

Derek Zeanah
July 13, 2008, 01:33 PM
Look folks, I'm 37 and my wife and mom still pick out my clothes for me. Seeing as we went through this most recently over the July 4th weekend I'm not that out of style, but my wife was still horrified at the color (light blue) of the most recent pair of jeans I bought.

Having said that, let's back off on attacks on people who chose to look good. Or who choose to mold the perception of people who meet them by choosing methods of dress and grooming that convey they image they're trying to project.

I'm not one to shave my body hair, but I probably will if I ever get a sexy body again (if only because my wife isn't a fan of hair -- personally I don't care if I don't itch). I'm happy to wear fashionable clothes, provided I don't have to research it first. I'm happy to look and smell pleasing to others.

These are all good things. The fact that someone values these attributes more than you are I do isn't any reason to poke fun. Not unless we're also going to poke fun at people who think a big-block and a quarter-mile track is all that's important in "racing" (hint: most roads have curves in them, and most of them even turn right sometimes!), or at people who think select-fire silenced weapons are a reasonable investment, or people who weren't fortunate enough to be born right-handed...

Big45
July 13, 2008, 02:54 PM
GQ ha

B yond
July 13, 2008, 03:05 PM
I respect this guy's opinion

I don't.

another okie
July 13, 2008, 04:06 PM
Why would you ask a style writer about his view about concealed weapons? That makes no sense to me. Is he an expert or a lawyer or a sociologist?

If you wanted to ask him anything, ask him to recommend a tailor that knows how to make extra room under the suit coat for the concealed handgun.

whosyrdaddy
July 13, 2008, 05:07 PM
What's the GQ view on concealed firearms?


From that, he gets this:

The question asked was clearly, "what are the fashion laws concerning carrying a firearm?"

Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you:

Prince Yamato

the next Democratic nominee for The Supreme Court Of The United States.

Prince Yamato
July 13, 2008, 10:54 PM
The question asked was clearly, "what are the fashion laws concerning carrying a firearm?"
Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you:

Prince Yamato

the next Democratic nominee for The Supreme Court Of The United States.

Look, there actually ARE rules as to how to dress, so as not to look like a walking wreck. There is also specific attire for hunting (hint: our European counterparts don't wear mossy oak). This is why I also cited the British edition of the magazine, which applies the same clothier snobbery to shooting fashion. I know some of you shun the world of fashion, but would you really like to stick out like a sore thumb? Our purpose is to normalize open and concealed carry. The fact that such a question was even printed in a leading men's fashion magazine clearly means that gun carry is pretty common.

Also, how does reading GQ make me gay and/or a democrat?

SuperNaut
July 13, 2008, 11:31 PM
Also, how does reading GQ make me gay and/or a democrat?

No kidding, you said GQ not Details.

Restorer
July 13, 2008, 11:51 PM
**Also, how does reading GQ make me gay and/or a democrat?

It obviously doesn't. It's called guilt by association. We (the pro-gun community) are as guilty of stereotyping as are the loons on the other side of the blanket. Whatever is not "us" is "them". I see no contradiction in being a strong gun and CC proponent as well as being fashion conscious. It's just a matter of keeping perspective. I can take reasonably good care of my body and dress well without buying into the narcissistic "GQ lifestyle."

Maybe someday they'll have a column on something like "How to deal with GSR on your French cuffs." The point being that they wouldn't be prejudiced against gun carry, but rather would try to deal with practical issues from a style standpoint. F'instance, if I were going to be forced to go somewhere in an Armani suit (unlikely), I would definitely appreciate a GQ review of the new Ruger micro .380 and advice on concealing it in an expensive suit.

Like this place, it's a question of posing a question in the proper forum. At this point in time, GQ ain't the proper forum for firearms advise. And no, I won't trust Guns and Ammo magazine to recommend a nice Polo shirt, either.

Dravur
July 14, 2008, 01:27 PM
a GQ "style" guy who is uneasy about guns.....

Stop the presses...

my surprise knows no bounds. What's next, the Editor of the New York times is an anti? Writers for New Yorker Magazine turn out to be antis?

I think this is about as surprising as finding out Rosie O'Donnell is fat. A giant DUH comes to mind.

XDKingslayer
July 14, 2008, 01:42 PM
> I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Alabama. I wear a Springfield Armory 1911 EMP chambered in nine milimeters. (I carry hollowpoints of course). It's a pretty sexy gun. It looks great with a suit or with ranch gear. What's the GQ view on concealed firearms?


Any "man" who calls anything other than a woman sexy should have his man card revoked.

Husker1911
July 14, 2008, 01:48 PM
Style Guy:
I think what everyone overlooks when discussing the Second Amendment today is that its writers were actually concerned with dirks, sabers, cudgels, and muzzle-loaders, not semiautomatic weapons.Mr. Style Guy, shouldn't you be writing your column with a quill pen?

JohnL2
July 14, 2008, 02:22 PM
My fashion sense pretty much tops out at L.L. Bean.
And who is John Law??

Brian Dale
July 14, 2008, 02:44 PM
JohnL2, "John Law" is just a nickname for law enforcement officers.

conw
July 15, 2008, 01:54 AM
Any "man" who calls anything other than a woman sexy should have his man card revoked.

They're pretty hard to get these days in NYC and Ca., anyway. :neener:

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