California Gun Laws, Working?


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DRYHUMOR
July 13, 2008, 01:59 PM
Just curious,

As I peruse the gun auctions with my Red Lobster drool bib on, :rolleyes:I notice that more and more sellers will not bother to ship to CA. So, with all of the laws there, have they done much to reduce firearm violence? It would seem to me, that a determined criminal would always find a way to commit a crime, regardless of laws.

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B yond
July 13, 2008, 02:03 PM
Have gun laws (other than those requiring people to have guns, like in Switzerland) EVER reduced gun violence?

JoeSlomo
July 13, 2008, 02:04 PM
Well of COURSE it's working!

Look at drug laws! Ever since the outlaw of drugs, you CAN'T find any! ESPECIALLY in **********...

Just Jim
July 13, 2008, 02:05 PM
California gun laws work, they have kept me from going there and I carry a gun.

jj

jhansman
July 13, 2008, 03:22 PM
Well, being a lifelong resident of the Golden State, I can tell you I have never had any problem getting guns (all legal, of course), and the gun laws here, draconian as they may be, work no better than they do anywhere else. If anything, they only polarize the two principal factions more with time; the antis believe they are made safer by such laws, while those of us who own firearms know better and buy even more.

harmonic
July 13, 2008, 09:15 PM
Well, it's certainly reduced the number of guns. Their inane laws were one reason I moved back to civilization. Took my guns with me.

I sure hated to leave the Sierras, though. And the trout streams. And genuine Mexican food.

eflatminor
July 13, 2008, 10:08 PM
They're making shooting more expensive and restricted for good guys. That was the point, wasn't it?

California is a Fascist, nanny state. Not the kind of Fascism that advocates racial superiority, but Fascism in every other sense. I like the term “Fascism Nice”. In other words, the typical California seeks to make the state, the government, their religion, their source of right and wrong. This is exactly what Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, etc advocated. Today's Californians would have LOVED Hitler’s social welfare programs, universal health care, social security, and government bureaucracies. Weren't we fighting fascism in every war of the past hundred years?

Standing Wolf
July 14, 2008, 12:16 AM
They're making shooting more expensive and restricted for good guys. That was the point, wasn't it?

Your comments hit the nail squarely on the proverbial "head," eflatminor.

bhp9mm
July 14, 2008, 12:52 AM
no gun laws work somebody thats out to do crimes dont care about laws

Fractal X
July 14, 2008, 03:07 AM
Yes, I fully believe that the gun control laws are working. The laws are very effective at keeping guns out of the hands of the law abiding, while at the same time leaving them in the waistband of those who would use them for evil.

Consider this:
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/04/local/me-homicide4

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/

Please note that I am not trying to say that all the homicide victims were innocent, that is surely not the case. However, the number of innocent people who are killed should give any rational person pause to think and carefully consider whether the current laws are working to protect the people who follow them.

Hot brass
July 14, 2008, 09:39 AM
No! Fail!

JP49
July 14, 2008, 11:36 AM
I have a Browning Model 42 listed on a gun auction, and just had a guy ask if I ship to california. Is it legal to ship a shotgun to CA? I assumed it was, but now he has me wondering. Can anyone help with this? JP

Flintlock Tom
July 14, 2008, 12:27 PM
JP49,
Yes, you can ship a shotgun to CA.
There are some conditions which apply, however.
1) If you have a FFL 01, you can only ship it to a FFL 01 holder in CA. You must get their license number, log on to the CA DoJ website and get an authorization letter which must be included in the shipment.
2) If you DO NOT have a FFL 01, you can only ship to a FFL 01 holder, but you DO NOT have to get the authorization letter.
3) If the gun is a "C&R" shotgun, you can ship to a FFL 03 (C&R) holder WITHOUT the authorization letter.

The new law, which went into effect July 1st, only applies to "01" dealers dealing with "01" dealers.

JP49
July 14, 2008, 01:12 PM
Thanks Tom. That's exactly what I needed to know. JP

vegasHeat
July 14, 2008, 03:18 PM
********** passed a law requiring all FFL's to obtain permission by the Kali Dept. of Justice to ship guns there...

so, i take it, it's not worth the time and hassle.

CountGlockula
July 14, 2008, 03:33 PM
They're working for the politicians, not the law abiding citizens.

Dr. Peter Venkman
July 14, 2008, 03:44 PM
Working as intended, since dealers and private owners can't be bothered to ship here regardless of legality.

cortez kid
July 14, 2008, 05:05 PM
In the same vain(sort of), I was listenning to the fool we have here on talk radio, Steve Corbett of WILK in Scranton Pa. We are the same people that just had the JBT's strip legal law abbiding gun owners thier 2A rights and handguns in Dickson City, Pa. This Corbett guy is straight from the Santa Barbara Area(as am I) and chuggs down the kool-aide of every liberal, rights destroying, pervert approving idiot that breathes(rant over). Anyway, this guy is now on the drive 55 kick. Last thing he says before break is that the people are too stupid to know whats good for themselves, so they need to be told what is. Honest, this guy said this crap. The problem is that there is enought idiots that believe this tripe and will go along with it. Brown shirts anyone?
kid

ServiceSoon
July 14, 2008, 05:35 PM
I don't know, you tell me :)

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html

Zoogster
July 14, 2008, 05:47 PM
Nope, still one of the most dangerous states in the nation, much more so than statistics which include massive relatively safe rural areas show.

I have traveled and stayed in places all over the nation, many times in cheaper areas to keep costs down.

I can honestly say that CA has more widespread criminal elements than most other states diffused in urban and semi urban suburban areas.

It should not be a huge surprise considering CA started much of the current gang trends in the nation, and the culture that promotes such lifestyles.
Many of the current drugs that are the biggest problems in the nation also first became common or popular in CA before expanding elsewhere.

CA starts many of the nation's negative trends.

On the surface it is a great deception though. The streets are often cleaner looking, the weather nice, and all kinds of fees, fines, and bans etc controlling anything that might change that surface image.

Yet it is also one of the toughest on crime. Starting things like the three strike laws (second offense is double sentence, third is life), and routinely giving out much larger sentences than in much of the nation.
Enhancements for large numbers of offenses, and major weapon control laws.
It is one of the most authoritarian states as well, with the largest prison population, and far more on probation and parole. Laws against more things as a state than most places which the population can violate to join the ranks of criminals.

The problem is the culture.
The moral compass for much of the population is the law itself, and as a result it just grows and grows and grows, because it never can compensate.

DRYHUMOR
July 14, 2008, 06:12 PM
Sounds like a definite no, mostly not.

It must be the "ignorance factor" of a lot of the public in general. The less educated and involved people are, the more willing they are to be led and swayed.

It's a shame as the population increases there are fewer and fewer people who actually "know anything".

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