Here is the situation in a nutshell: For a variety of reasons I've been thinking about scaling back my gun collection (I'm in an apartment and don't have the room, I rarely get to the range much anymore so only a few of my guns are regularly shot, owning 17 handguns but only semi-regularly shooting 4-6 of them is a lot of money to have tied up in guns that I rarely shoot, while I don't need the money it would be nice to have the money available for other things, etc.).
However, while some guns are obvious additions to my "sell" list, others have been more difficult. Such as, cutting to one full-size 9mm, I've owned my CZ 75B for some time and I have over 10K rounds through it so I am more accurate with it, but my SIG 226 is a better, more reliable gun, so I have trouble deciding which gun.
So, I have decided that everything is on the table. I am starting from scratch, most (if not all) of my guns will be sold, and replaced by what I would have bought to start with if I knew then what I knew now (and if I had the money). I figure if I'm selling off (most of) my 17 handguns, and only buying/keeping 4-7 of them, I should have the money for whatever I want (within reason).
Here are my thoughts:
Long guns: I'm not selling my rifles. None of them make sense to sell. I only have 5 rifles and one shotgun. The shotgun may or may not go (probably to be replaced by another shotgun, or by a .357mag lever rifle for home defense).
.22: I'm undecided. I don't shoot that much so the savings of shooting .22lr doesn't really matter that much. Still, it is nice to have on longer range trips and when breaking in new or infrequent shooters. If I have a .22lr I will be keeping my Ruger MkII.
Pocket gun: My NAA Guardian is/will be gone. If I keep my S&W 442, it is lightweight and uncomfortable to shoot so I'll almost have to keep my steel Taurus 85CH as a trainer (which defeats the purpose of cutting back). If I was buying from scratch I'd probably buy a Kahr PM9 for this purpose, so the snubs are probably gone in favor of a Kahr.
CCW gun: I live in MD. If I get the Kahr (or keep the 442) I don't really need another CCW gun as I'll have a good CCW gun for when I'm visiting a state where I can carry. I can always buy another good CCW pistol later should MD law change or I move to a shall-issue state.
1911: I'm a 1911 guy, so one of my guns (at least) needs to be a 1911. I'm leaning towards selling the Charles Daly and getting a Springfield Loaded (maybe a "base" model Les Baer or Wilson Combat). I do like my S&W 1911SC quite a bit though so I may keep that as well (maybe as the CCW gun).
Full-sized 9mm: I'm torn. Do I really need a 9mm? I like the caliber, and it is "enough", but I like .45ACP better. For cheap practice I can keep my .22lr, I do reload .38spl/.357mag, and I can always start chasing brass and reload .45ACP. Also, I plan to have the Kahr PM9 which is a 9mm (though it is a small, pocketable, CCW pistol). But 9mm is a good step up from .22lr when training new shooters. If I go with a 9mm service pistol it will probably be a Browning/FN High Power, with a Taurus PT92 a distant second.
.357mag: This is pretty much the only caliber that wasn't on the table. I will be keeping my S&W 65LS (a 3" K-frame .357mag, there aren't many handguns I consider more desirable).
Big-bore revolver: I'm selling my S&W 57. I love .41mag, but reloading supplies aren't always available, when I don't have anything loaded commercial ammo is expensive and hard to find. I've already bought a S&W 625 Mountain Gun in .45LC for this purpose.
Black Powder: At least for now, my black powder revolvers are probably gone (I like them, but almost never shoot them).
So, at the high end (if I keep the S&W 1911SC, Ruger MkII, and have a full-sized 9mm) I'll have 7, on the low end if I don't keep any of them I'll have 4 and most likely I'll be somewhere in between. That will make my handgun collection a nice 1911, a Kahr PM9, a S&W 65LS, a S&W 625 Mountain Gun (.45LC), and possibly a Ruger MkII, a S&W 1911 SC and a Browning/FN HP (out of the "possibly" guns, the 1911SC is most likely to be dropped).
While my collection will be much smaller, it will be higher quality, and I will semi-regularly shoot everything I own (I will no longer have any guns I rarely shoot).
So, if you would be to do it again, what would you do? Would you buy the same guns? Would you buy fewer but nicer guns? Would you buy similar, but different guns?
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July 13, 2008, 03:19 PM
Yep, fewer but nicer guns and more geared toward revolvers, which I shoot much better and much prefer reloading for.
For your collection, I'd say keep the .22 (and definitely buy the ultimate cliploader- you'll shoot it more), the 442, 1911SC, the LS, and the 625.
July 13, 2008, 03:26 PM
I thought about keeping the S&W 1911SC as my 1911, but it is a lightweight (scandium) Commander sized pistol. It almost seems a crime to me to have a 1911 but not the classic, full-sized, steel-framed 1911. So, I'll possibly keep the 1911SC as an "extra" (for CCW use when out of state and should MD change its laws or I move), but I will be getting a nice mid to high end 1911 (either a Springfield Loaded, full-sized S&W, or a low end Wilson or Les Baer). The 442 is less likely (I can't shoot more than about 15 rounds comfortably), though I've though about keeping it instead of buying the PM9 and reloading some low recoil .38s for practice.
July 13, 2008, 05:02 PM
Less tacticool crap (acog, eotech, chest rig, drop leg,etc.) and more/better firearms. Add a nice hunting rifle, nice carry pistol, autoloading shotgun, and lots of ammo for all.
July 13, 2008, 05:09 PM
Buy your guns to your lifestyle. If you are a hunter then hunting guns. A target shooter then target guns. If you are a wannabe then wannabe guns (Cowboy etc).
It's the life you choose and what guns will be the most fun.
July 13, 2008, 05:11 PM
I would only change a few things...
I don't buy guns becuase other people think they are cool, I buy guns that intrest ME.
July 13, 2008, 06:29 PM
For me a 22 pistol and rifle are a must have. They enable LOTS of fun shooting for little money and are great for introducing someone of any age to guns.
Of my collection the one thing I would change if i could start over is I would NOT buy a gun that wasnt stainless, rifle or pistol.
July 13, 2008, 06:41 PM
I have been thinking of doing the same thing myself. Go for it and tell us how it turns out.
July 13, 2008, 07:16 PM
Hmm, if I do keep the S&W 1911SC to have a primary carry pistol when visiting carry states, I have to consider one other option (I did say everything is on the table).
I love .40S&W for carry, I love SIG. I would love to have a SIG 229 SAS or 239 SAS. The only question, if I did that instead of the 1911SC would it make more sense to keep the 229 I already have? But then we are getting away from "everything on the table" because if I was buying the 229 now, and I didn't take price too much into account, I'd get the 239 SAS or 229 SAS in .40S&W. Another possible problem with that direction, as of now my plan has me phasing out .40S&W when I sell the two I have (I like the caliber, but I have .45ACP and 9mm on my list, one of my reasons for doing this is space issues, it would be nice to have one less caliber to stock) and going with one of these would have me keeping .40S&W and having 3 auto calibers to stock and find room for. Maybe go a similar route but continue the caliber cutting and get the 220 SAS (or are the 229 SAS and 239 SAS now available in 9mm)?
Of course, with the thin 1911 and BHP there is no reason for occasional carry (I don't spend that much time where I can carry) that I couldn't just carry a full-sized 1911 or the BHP, and there will be the Kahr (or 442). Ah, decisions, decisions.
July 13, 2008, 10:15 PM
IF YOU SELL ANY GUNS ------YOULLL BE SORRRRRYYYYY!!!!
better move to a house you own and better you keep everything you can get your hands on -!!
I still have the 69Z/28 my parents bought me new in 69 cost $3900. today $30,000. -90,000. My dad took a colt 2nd mdl dragoon as settlement for a debt $15.00 today it worth $6000-16000.
Never sell anything MOVE to larger quarters !
Now if I only could find those boxes of marvel comic books I had as a kid ,,
July 13, 2008, 10:28 PM
My collection has been taking a turn lately. I have traded, sold or bought several in the last few months. I am in a target rifle mode right now, I have added a remington VLS in 22-250, A savage mod 11 BGTH in .223 and just ordered a Stag Arms mod 6 Super Varminter in .223. I sold off some guns that have not seen daylight in several years for some that I will play or hunt with with, my collection is taking a turn for the practical instead of sollectables.
July 13, 2008, 10:38 PM
Fewer guns but more expensive guns.
July 13, 2008, 10:54 PM
I'd sell off all the 9mm's and the 40 S&W and keep one 45 ACP of your choice. Keep either the Model 57 and the 45LC. Keep at least one 22 handgun, but dump the NAA. Keep the 442 and 357 revolvers. Dump the black powder handguns. By my count that is five handguns total.
If you hunt with a handgun, I'd keep the M57 and dump the 625.
July 14, 2008, 01:03 AM
I would of bought 10 cases each of 223, 7.62x39, and .308 back when they were 7 to 12 cents a round.
July 14, 2008, 02:18 AM
If I were you, I'd ditch the .45 Colt Mountain Gun and keep the M57. Factory .45 Colt ammo ain't cheap, and the truly potent stuff isn't going to be safe to shoot in the 625.
You're far better off using the money from the sale of the 625 to lay in a good supply of reloading components for the M57.
TCB in TN
July 14, 2008, 02:25 AM
I would have more handguns, and more ammo!
July 14, 2008, 02:48 AM
My Ruger Mk.III Hunter is a very nice gun. Very pretty, accurate, etc.
But I still regret selling my Mk.II years ago. Less legalese stamped on the side, simpler (i.e. no magazine safety or chamber indicator)... I'd keep it, or get a Single-Six.
July 14, 2008, 04:51 AM
If I were to start over today I'd definitely skip a lot of the guns I had in the past.
I'm all for selling guns if you think that's what you have to do. I've sold a lot of them.
A couple things though -
- Keep a few good working ones around while you are doing this. Nothing like selling a good gun and using the money on one that turns out to be a peice of garbage.
- If there is something that you particularly like in your collection but you don't feel that you need it, maybe you should keep it anyway. I don't regret selling all of the guns I've sold, but I do regret selling some of them, in particular, the really good ones I had.
I miss a SIG P-225, a S&W M-60, a Winchester 94/22 Legacy, a Marlin 336, and one very nice M-39.
July 14, 2008, 05:03 AM
I've been trimming my collection down too because while a lot of the guns are really neat pieces, I don't get much joy out of just having a collection. They're sitting in the safe waiting to be stolen or burned in a fire. They're not getting shot because there's only so much time available. They don't get displayed like art because they're in the safe in a gun sock so why keep them? I'd rather put a few more dollars in the pieces I do shoot.
You might consider trying some target wadcutters in your 442, they make practice with it much more enjoyable.
Personally I think I like the idea of:
1.) inherited guns
2.) .22 pistol
3.) .22 rifle
4.) mid-large handgun
5.) subcompact handgun
6.) pocket handgun
7.) main rifle
Maybe a shotgun for fun, and an allowance of 1-2 handguns and rifles as collectable or fun items. I might even ditch one of the main handguns. A dozen guns still seems like far more than enough. I kind of feel like I wound up with more than I needed because I didn't know for sure what I wanted or liked as a new shooter yet.
July 14, 2008, 08:51 AM
I've thought of doing the same thing, I own over 100 handguns, many of them quality but do I really need say 3-4 basic 1911 patterns such as Colt 1991a1's and a Norinco? Better to sell them and buy 1 Les Baer or Wilson?
Also if I was you keep a shotgun, one 12ga with 2 barrels and one being able to have interchangeable chokes is a very useful and versatile gun. And one .22lr is almost a must.
The S&W mod 65 is a good gun but I'd never own it as my only .357mag unless I hardly ever shot it or only with .38spl's mainly,they are a little on the fragile side.
July 14, 2008, 10:53 PM
IF YOU SELL ANY GUNS ------YOULLL BE SORRRRRYYYYY!!!!
better move to a house you own and better you keep everything you can get your hands on
Ah, I've sold guns before, some of which I don't miss at all, others I may miss at times but it isn't that big a deal. Plus, all of my guns are easily replaced. The only semi-collectable handguns would be the S&W 19 with P&R barrel and the S&W 57 (first year of manufacture), I'm not a collector, and in the end if I replaced them I'd probably be happier with a shooter than a collector piece anyway.
As for the house, I'd be buying one if I could afford it (not for the guns, because I'd rather have a house than an apartment). I'm a teacher so I don't make a ton of money. I'm probably 2-5 years away from buying a house (some of the proceeds of the sale may go in a downpayment fund, at least those proceeds that don't go to ammo).
I were you, I'd ditch the .45 Colt Mountain Gun and keep the M57
I intentionally bought the 625 to replace the 57. The 57 is in too nice shape for me to have the heart to use it much for what I bought it for (a "just in case" gun when camping). If it was new I'd have no problem putting wear on it but it is in almost new condition and more than half a decade older than me. The 625 with the much lower pressure .45LC is also more suitable for home defense and I intend to make it my primary HD piece (along with the 1911). Before I bought it I was in the market for a .45LC for HD and another .41mag for camping, then decided to cut back (so only the .45LC).
I would have more handguns, and more ammo!
Yup, prices are going to keep going up. I'll probably use some of the money that is leftover ($1-3K depending upon exactly what I get for them and how high end I go on the 1911) and stock up on .45ACP and .45LC.
Keep a few good working ones around while you are doing thisOh yes, I do plan to do it a little at a time. Anyway, at least one or two are sticking around anyway (the S&W 625MG is new but should be OK, the S&W 65LS has been with me for over 7 years, if I keep the S&W 1911SC it has proven itself by now).
You might consider trying some target wadcutters in your 442
I thought about downloading an easy practice round for the 442 (I reload .38spl). However, I think if I can only have one I'd rather have the Kahr. My best friend has one and it is great. I've wanted a Kahr (but never got around to it) since I first started shooting (about a year after Kahr came out). Before I decided to scale back, I was going to buy a Kahr PM9 and have both. So, I do like my 442, but I think it will probably go for the Kahr (if I don't like the Kahr, new 442s and 642s are relatively inexpensive and plentiful and I can easily replace it).
July 14, 2008, 10:56 PM
I kind of feel like I wound up with more than I needed because I didn't know for sure what I wanted or liked as a new shooter yet.
I know how you feel. Sometimes I was experimenting. Other times, I wanted a gun in a particular category but didn't have the money for the better guns in the category (how I ended up with my Bersa, decent gun but big for a .380). In other cases, my tastes either changed, or a gun (while good) wasn't as good as I thought (my CZ is decent, but with some issues, once I got a SIG it was over for the CZ).
Also if I was you keep a shotgun, one 12ga with 2 barrels and one being able to have interchangeable chokes is a very useful and versatile gun.
The shotgun is 100% for home defense. I have a Benelli Nova 18.5" with rifle sights. I actually don't like it very much. If I replace it I'll may get a Mossberg 500 (used selling price of the Benelli and new purchase price of the Mossy will probably be a wash and not worth it). More likely I'll get a .357mag or .44mag lever rifle and load it with specials (good home defense carbine, and I absolutely love shooting lever guns, however my .45LC Win 94 isn't suitable for HD because it isn't quite reliable enough).
The S&W mod 65 is a good gun but I'd never own it as my only .357mag unless I hardly ever shot it or only with .38spl's mainly,they are a little on the fragile side.I'm not sure they are as fragile as people think. Avoid the full house 125gr magnums which put a lot of stress on the forcing cone and I think the later ones (mine is late 90s manufacture) are just fine. Anyway, if I do shoot it out, I can pretty easily find another .357mag to replace it (though another 3" K-frame won't be so easy).
July 14, 2008, 10:57 PM
if your scaling back your collection, i'll gladly hold them for you until you realize you made a mistake and want them back.
July 14, 2008, 11:01 PM
OK guys, I know how I would rework my collection (smaller but higher quality collection).
I also want to know what you would do if you knew what you know now about guns but you were starting over. Would you buy fewer guns but higher end? Fewer guns and more reloading equipment? More guns but lower end? Hey, it can happen, when I started I'd rather have 2 decent guns in 2 different categories than one really nice gun in just one of those categories and maybe someone who went the other way wishes they tried more things.
Maybe you'd do a theme? More cowboy guns. More rifles and fewer handguns (or vice versa). More CCW guns, or revolvers, or...
July 14, 2008, 11:15 PM
Fewer guns . . . putting the money saved toward more ammo, suppressors, and gas money to get to the range.
July 14, 2008, 11:59 PM
I'm not going to rework my accumulation. I'll wait until I'm around 80 or so to start scaling back a little.
July 15, 2008, 12:10 AM
My guns find me. There is nothing on my "can't live without" list, but there's several that I'm interested in. I regularly unload things I don't shoot and pick up stuff I want.
July 15, 2008, 12:33 AM
I agree with the advice to try those new wants before selling some of the ones you have. Lots of guys break up with the old gal for the new one, then miss the old one. Like you say, the 442 is easily replaced, but a couple of those aren't.
I decided I'm not a collector, either. I got rid of a couple milsurp bolties. I'm going to sell an unfired S&W with some collector value, and one of my .357s that's too long to take anywhere.
In their place I want a quality gunsafe and a couple highcap semi-autos that might get banned down the line. Other than that I'm pretty happy with what I've got.
One thing I want to spend some money on when the election is over (assuming McCain wins) is some more gunsmithing. I've got a revolver or two that would benefit from a trigger job, and I'd also like to get my shotgun stock fitted for LOP and drop.
July 15, 2008, 12:58 AM
I have never regretted any gun that I SOLD and/or gave away as a GIFT even though there was nothing wrong with it and it was in excellent condition.
I am not a 'collector' and I don't own safe queens.
Some people never sell and/or give away guns, books, music, china, crystal, art, jewelry, clothes, shoes/purses, etc. We are all individuals, like some things, dislike other things and have various lifestyles. It is up to YOU not how others live their life.
I shoot what I own. Mine were all bought NIB and one was a 'gift' to me. I started to buy my own in 1998 to 2001 - NIB. Before that time frame I used my late husband's firearm for self defense. He owned about 3 to 4 guns in his life. I ended up owning only about 13 guns or so. NO huge collection compared to other gunnies that I know. We did not hunt. Our guns were for the RKBA issue and for self defense. We had NO ccw back there even for a vehicle. We had nothing against hunting. (My groom aka husband hunts. I go with him sometimes when he hunts too. He is BIG into self defense and the RKBA issue too. He used to compete on a regular basis until his schedule changed.)
BUY and shoot what suits YOU.
Don't think that you have to have x, y or z just because it is a 'fad'.
I like the KISS method - keep it simple stupid. Old military saying.
You wanted opinions... ok.
I don't own a shotgun and I have NOTHING against them. Shotguns do not interest me and I have only shot a couple of them a FEW times. Some people use them for hunting and for home defense. I don't know it you fall into this group.
I would have a 22LR in a handgun and in a rifle. TWO 22LR firearms.
I would have a 45Colt or a 357Magnum/38Special Plus P for a handgun. I PREFER revolvers but if you like semi automatics better... 45ACP.
ONE of these - I think that you said that you would keep one anyway without back tracking here.
If you do not want a 45Colt aka long colt, 357Magnum, 38Special Plus P, 45ACP and only wanted one handgun in a caliber other than the above... I would get a 9MM.
If you do hunt or want to hunt - a nice 30-30 rifle. Some places only allow shotguns or x, y or z. NO clue on that in Maryland anymore although I did grow up there.
I don't own a Kimber but some in 45ACP are nice from what I have seen here. A nice 1911-many nice brands out there. I don't own one but they are nice. if you can rack the slide and don't have physical limitations... they are nice.
I have owned and I would buy again... a Glock in 9MM. The model 19, 19C or a model 17. Right now... I cut down my calibers here as I have stated before on this and other boards. I owned a Model 19C and I shot well with it. Even though I like old fashioned single action revolvers, lever action rifles, etc. - I LOVED that Glock. So did my late husband. I sold it and some other guns after he died. Gave away a couple too. Some people LOVE Glocks as I did and other people hate them or make fun of them. To each their own! Grin.
I like Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Glock, Browning, Marlin, Winchester, etc. I have owned, still own some of those brands, shot them and I have shot other brands too.
Glock Model 19 or Model 17
S&W Model 686 - 357Magnum or what you love.
S&W Model 60 - same as above.
S&W Model 317 kit gun - 22LR or something else that you love.
Smith and Wesson Model 41 - 22LR
Smith and Wesson Model 22A - 22LR
Ruger semi automatic in 22LR - my husband had one of them - Mark something. Well known gun.
Ruger Blackhawk in 45Colt or in another caliber?
Ruger single actions in 22LR or ? Many there!
Browning BL 22 - 22LR
Winchesters in 94-22 and in center fire Trappers, etc.
Marlin Papoose 70PSS - semi automatic, quick take down, case, stainless steel, etc.
Marlin 336SS in a 30-30 or in a cowboy lever action rifle.
A S&W Model 29 or 629 in 44Magnum - 44Specials can be used. ?
A sweet Marlin in a 45-70. ?
Something in black powder perhaps?
A Bushmaster in .223 caliber?
Ohio Gun Guy
July 15, 2008, 01:08 AM
I would try to not get anxious and save up a little longer and get the nicer guns. I dont have to much "Junk" but if I were starting over, I would wait for better deals or save up longer. :)
That said, Maybe not. :evil:
Really, I have recently gotten some better guns, and now realize the difference. Although I will never sell some of the guns I have for sentimental reasons. :D
July 15, 2008, 01:03 PM
I would try to not get anxious and save up a little longer and get the nicer guns.
Yes, I agree, I would definitely avoid impulse buys. To help that along, I would avoid the THR and TFL firearms sections when I have money burning a hole in my pocket :D
Really, I have recently gotten some better guns, and now realize the difference
I started that around 2 years ago. I always thought my CZ and Taurus handguns (and others that were comparable) were "close enough" to the high end guns in quality that it wasn't worth the extra money. Then, around 2 years ago I decided to get something nicer (about $700-800 limit) and went out in search of a nice 9mm or .40 (the High Power was high on my list). I ended up picking up my SIG 226 and things haven't been the same since (bought a SIG 229, a S&W SW1911SC, an NAA Guardian and a S&W 625 Mountain Gun since then). Until then, I bought nice revolvers sometimes, but my autos were all in the budget but good guns range (Taurus, CZ, Ruger, Bersa), now I doubt I'll buy anything else in that range (except maybe a Taurus or two and one CZ, the PCR, but only once I'm in a house and can have more guns).
July 15, 2008, 01:27 PM
I would have kept mine smaller.
For example, while reading one article in a newspaper one Sunday morning as my wife and I languished in bed, I pulled out three Colt Double Eagles to check the triggers and grips.
The worst auto pistol ever made, and I was foolish enough to buy three of them.
I purchased numerous varmint rifles from the singular fear that one might have gotten too hot during a vacation.
I have purchased perhaps six mini-mouse pocket autos. None of them worked.
Perhaps you remember the old "primer shortage" of a dozen years ago. I went out and bought +20,000 primers. I still have some!
Cleaning supplies! Don't get me started! I could sell you some!
Give me more time, I'll think of more examples...
July 15, 2008, 07:11 PM
Bigger house, more guns
July 15, 2008, 07:24 PM
Hey, Old Grump, let me know when you get to town!
July 15, 2008, 08:18 PM
"Buy your guns to your lifestyle. If you are a hunter then hunting guns. A target shooter then target guns. If you are a wannabe then wannabe guns (Cowboy etc).
It's the life you choose and what guns will be the most fun"
I think this is good advice; I am always trying to procure guns based on the EOTWAWKI, instead of working to obtain guns based the above...which for me is punch paper. In reality, my Ruger Mk 3 would serve most of my shooting needs...maybe I should sell everything else???
July 15, 2008, 08:37 PM
1. Not have sold two guns
2. Gotten a S&W 625
3. Moved to 38 Super sooner
July 15, 2008, 09:17 PM
I wouldn't have sold my Manhurin Walther PPK/S.
I would have bought a 10/22 to play with long before last month.
I would have bought a Sig Sauer P229DAK in addition to the Glock fohtay' that I already have. (I refuse to buy a pistol in MI because of the license to purchase requirement)
July 15, 2008, 09:52 PM
easy bigger gun safe.
spend more money on the safe.
July 15, 2008, 11:51 PM
Cleaning supplies! Don't get me started! I could sell you some!That is too funny. I probably have enough cleaning supplies for the next 5 years or so.
July 16, 2008, 12:07 AM
Sell them on here!
I don't want to sound like a begger, but i know there are others on this forum like me. I average buying ONE GUN PER YEAR! Most of you probably can't imagine that. Thats the life of a poor college student. So no, i havn't done any thinning lately. I buy what i want and i have plenty of time to think about it. If you guys advertise your guns on here, you can potentially help poor gun enthusiasts like myself. I have a lot of guns that i want, but i can't afford them right now. I shoot the ones i have, but not as much as i'd like.
I still need a few guns just to fill in all the blanks.
I need a:
1911, service style
1911, race gun/target style
BP revolver or two
BIG bore, .454 or .460, etc. might get bored, but i think i'd like one
.22 semi pistol
some sort of carry gun, dont know snub or semi.
double or semi shotgun
bolt target rifle
gatling and/or cannon.
oh, but i don't have any money right now, so i'll have to wait for student loans.
July 16, 2008, 12:52 AM
Seancass, I can't help you on most of your list.
I usually insist on selling locally. I know all I need to do is send it to an FFL dealer, but I don't know what the real license looks like and I'm not always up on the latest changes in the law- I don't want to go to jail due to not putting a period in the right place or someone sending a fake license. Besides, from the prices people claim on this board sometimes it seems prices in MD are much higher than most of the country (I see claims of buying X gun brand new for much less than used versions of that gun go for here). I paid MD prices so I want to get the MD used gun value not the out of state used gun value. :)
You do need a lever rifle though. I love lever rifles, mine aren't going anywhere. As soon as I have a house and have more space and start adding to my collection again I will be buying more lever rifles (heck, I may now replace my shotgun with a .357mag or .44mag lever rifle). As for the bolt rifle, that is the one thing I may add now (without selling something to make room for it) as it is the one most glaring unfilled niche.
I might be able to help you on the black powder revolver. Those, unless things have changed, do not have to go through an FFL (and aren't very expensive even here). My Remington 1858 clone is brass and must not have been properly dried when I last cleaned it though so it is corroded, that one may not be sold depending upon how deep the corrosion is. However, my Colt Army 1860 clone (Uberti) is absolutely beautiful and has only been shot once. Even though I don't shoot it (except for one time shortly after buying it), I take it out and handle it a lot. I hate to part with it, but it is usually unused and just sitting locked up and out of sight.
July 16, 2008, 09:20 AM
buy you Kahr and be happy.
.41 mag while a great specimen is not going to make a comeback.
Airweights while east to carry are a real pain in the patella to shoot with full loads accurately after practicing with softer practice loads.
Stick with one platform in the .45 field and practice more.
I have never regretted getting rid of a non-shooter. All the guns I have kept are shooters that work well for me.
July 16, 2008, 12:55 PM
doc, as much as I'd love a High Power, I've been thinking about something similar to what you have above.
I do like my S&W 1911SC, but I don't see having a downsized, lightweight 1911 as my only 1911. On the other hand, it makes some sense to keep a nice CCW piece other than the very small, pocketable Kahr PM9. I don't really use a full-sized 9mm for self defense (nothing wrong with it, but I'd rather have the more powerful .45ACP or .40S&W, or a revolver, unless I'm going very small like the Kahr). For cheaper practice I'm leaning towards keeping my .22, and I may start reloading .45ACP. For training new shooters, a full-sized steel framed 1911 doesn't recoil too badly, and I could reload some slightly downloaded rounds to make it even more manageable.
So, if I go that route my collection might look like this:
1) A nice full size 1911 (though if I don't sell the S&W 1911SC it will be less likely to be a Wilson or Les Baer and more likely to be a Dan Wesson, Kimber or Springfield). Mostly range gun, occasional home defense gun and very occasional carry gun when in a state I can carry.
2) My S&W 1911SC. This will be my primary HD auto (I often carry IWB at home) and usually my CCW piece when somewhere I can carry.
3) A Kahr PM9. This will usually be in my pocket at home and always be carried CCW when somewhere I can carry.
4) My S&W 625 Mountain Gun. This will be my camping and bedside gun.
5) My S&W 65LS. Fun at the range, training new shooters (with reloaded .38spl) and occasional carry when in a CCW state.
6) My Ruger MkII. Range gun and new shooter trainer.
That should cover most bases, though I may decide I need to add a full-sized 9mm later.
July 16, 2008, 12:59 PM
I'd probably trade my 9mm for a .40 S&W, and I'd probably trade my shottie for a good bolt gun. Other than that, I love my collection.
July 16, 2008, 01:05 PM
Rugerlvr, I thought about that. I love my Taurus PT140 Millennium Pro, and it won't net me much money. I also love my SIG 229 (.40). However, I like my S&W 1911SC better, so if I go with an extra something else instead of the 9mm it will be that S&W. Also, .40S&W is more than 9mm in cost, the main reason I'd go with a 9mm over the 1911SC would be for cheaper practice while still having some recoil and a decent defensive caliber.
July 17, 2008, 01:24 AM
I agree with you, quality over quantity is something I would do differently. I only sold 2 guns that I had any regret over and I managed to buy them back later. I do believe in buy based on your use. I am also a bit of a minimalist, thus I avoid owning guns that duplicate another's use. I only have 2 left to purchase and my collection is complete for the foreseeable future.
July 17, 2008, 01:38 AM
if i could do it over i would have about half the same and half different.
would have bought more 9mm less .40. more colt less S&W.
July 17, 2008, 12:41 PM
Seancass, I can't help you on most of your list.
i wasnt suggesting you just give your guns away out of the goodness of your heart(or was i?) just offering another perspective. I can definitely understand you wanting to avoid the technical difficulties of selling online, especially when you can support local stores.
July 17, 2008, 02:04 PM
I'd go with fewer guns but not necessarily spend more money on them. The most expensive handgun I owned was a Kimber that wasn't reliable. The CZ's I've bought for $300-$350 all worked fine, as did the Glocks I paid similar money for, so price doesn't indicate quality.
I think you should downsize but keep/get the guns you want and the ones you'll really use. Don't worry about price - if you have a SIG P-6 and you like it, you got a concealable 9mm so just stick with it. Or pull the $$ together and get something else.
Take whatever is left when the smoke clears and use it to invest in ammo and reloading stuff.
July 17, 2008, 02:05 PM
I'd probably go with .45 ACP for handguns instead of .40 S&W
July 17, 2008, 02:32 PM
one thing I would definitely do is never buy used guns ever again. I'll also never worry about 'saving a buck' by getting a 'lower-end' model. Sure, I like the Mossberg 500, but the Mossberg 590... it makes me regret it just a bit.
I learned from that mistake, though. Now, my list of 'modern trend' guns is composed of higher-end makes. No more penny-pinching for me.
July 17, 2008, 02:39 PM
The reason I listed 2- 45s was just that, one lightweight for carry and one full sized for regular shooting. Both are practicle and operate with the same principles.
I use that same logic with my 9s. I have a full size FNP and a Glock 26 subcompact. (G32 is a safe queen after the KB)
I have a S&W model 10-4 as my wheelie.
My .22 is a Ruger standard I was given on christmas day in '82.
My safe queen .45 is a '56 Colt MIM 1911 that is 96%.
July 17, 2008, 11:11 PM
It's your decision but just make sure if you sell a gun, it's really what you want to do and not just a spur of the moment decision.
In the past, I've made some of those spur of the moment decisions (Heck, I don't need 3 9mm's but the HP was the last year they were made and assembled in Belgium and the CZ-75 has sentimental value cuz I bought it in Germany so I'll sell the Steyr GB). STUPID !!
What I'm saying is, I've sold several guns that I wish I hadn't so just be careful.
That being said, everybody needs several .22s and a 9mm. And a 30/30. And a .45 and a ............
July 18, 2008, 01:47 AM
Chaim - based on you last list, I'd say keep your CZ-75 with 10K rounds through it.
You said you might want to add a full sized 9mm later and your CZ won't have as high of resale value now with that many rounds through it.
Plus, you know it works and liked it well enough to shoot it ten thousand times. I say if it ain't broke, don't re-invent the wheel. ;)
Other than that, looks like a pretty good collection from my uneducated perspective.
July 18, 2008, 01:59 AM
I went through the same thing a couple years back. I'm still on the "fewer, nicer" kick but I'm also scaling back the number of calibers. Less plastic too, at least that is the goal. I've deviated a little, but this thread is reminding me to get back on track.
July 18, 2008, 11:38 AM
- Replace the G26 and G17 with a pair of G19s (one for wife), one threaded with AAC suppressor and complemented with black alligator Mitch Rosen belt & minimal OWB holster.
- Sell the Mosins (one arsenal refinished, one beater), Norinco SKS (still in cosmoline), customized Mossberg 500.
- Get Alaskan Co-Pilot .457 WWM.
- Sell Remington 700 .22LR tube semi, replace with CZ 4xx .22LR bolt + AAC suppressor.
- Dream: get CheyTac/Windrunner .408
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 18, 2008, 12:40 PM
chaim, I've been there; done that exact thing. Decided I was going back to the drawing board and selling everything if necessary and greatly scaling back, and replacing several lower quality guns with fewer high quality/expensive guns, and get down to just 3 or 4 calibers, not counting shotguns, airguns, and MLs. But the problem is, I just can't stand to part with some of the guns that I don't "need" - ones that don't make sense or fit into my new simplified scheme - a good example is the Marlin 1895 levergun. So the list keeps growing and growing to justify the ones I cannot bear to sell, and I end up only being able to pare off about 4 or 5 guns when it's all said and done. Then I figure it's not worth it to try - if I'm not gonna do it right, I shouldn't do it.
But the best thing to do if you're serious is to finish your scheme, and then sell guns one at a time over a long period of time by placing them for sale at a very healthy price - if they sell, they sell to someone who will appreciate them, or if they don't they don't. But at least you won't feel badly knowing that you got a fair price for each that do sell. Use the sales to fund your new scheme
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