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Karate
July 13, 2008, 05:28 PM
I heard a rumor that Springfield Armory makes its 1911 handguns in Brazil...do any of you know for sure where they are made...Thanks

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bestseller92
July 13, 2008, 05:43 PM
Frames are made in Brazil.

I had a MilSpec that I liked (bought new in '01), but it wasn't reliable, even with hardball, so I ditched it.

kcshooter
July 13, 2008, 05:48 PM
Frames and slides are made by Imbel in Brazil, assembly and/or final assembly takes place in Geneso, IL. Imbel has been making 1911's for a long time and they are indeed very high quality.

I have a MilSpec that is great, never had a problem with anything and feeds everything.

They also have a lifetime warranty, and outstanding customer service.

RNB65
July 13, 2008, 05:51 PM
They're made in Brazil. Some of the higher end models are hand assembled in the US from parts sent from Brazil, but the standard models are fully manufactured in Brazil.

mtngunr
July 13, 2008, 05:56 PM
I'd always heard frame/slide forgings were imported, finished/assembled stateside...haven't seen anything definitive debunking that...a phone call to Springfield would solve any mystery.

Wolfman_556
July 13, 2008, 05:58 PM
I know it's the fashionable thing on internet boards to bash them, but I have a GI MilSpec Springfield in my small 1911 collection and it's been a good pistol.

100% reliable even with old USGI surplus mags
reasonably accurate (but not as accurate as my Kimber)


They're one of the cheaper 1911's on the market and bare bones basic as 1911's go which is why I bought one - as a cheap "beater" .45 pistol to take camping or for blasting pumpkins and cantaloupes, and I prefer my 1911's as plain and un-tacticool as possible (I don't even like beavertails).

It was a pleasant surprise to me that it was a better quality pistol than I expected.

RNB65
July 13, 2008, 06:03 PM
I'd always heard frame/slide forgings were imported, finished/assembled stateside

In its early days, Springfield Armory, Inc., did import the parts from Imbel and assemble them in Geneseo. But assembly costs become so high that they had to move full assembly to Brazil to keep the retail price competitive. Only the big $$$ models are now assembled in the US. Imbel does the rest.

mtngunr
July 13, 2008, 06:34 PM
Not arguing, just would very much like some source for that besides an internet forum.....given the truth-quotient of 95% of internet posts, I'm sure you understand...it's news to me, in any case. Of course, so was the news I read here that Colt quit making 1911's several years back (wink).....

PS, both the WWII Milspecs I had here were real troopers, even if the only barstock/forged parts of the gun were slide, frame, and the back half of the barrel. My impression was that swapping small parts and barrel would have given me a 1911 as good as anyone else's, cost be hanged.

AndyC
July 13, 2008, 06:46 PM
Imbel is a highly-respected maker of various firearms - their upper-receivers for FAL rifles, for example, are highly sought-after.

XavierBreath
July 13, 2008, 06:51 PM
Not arguing, just would very much like some source for that besides an internet forum.....given the truth-quotient of 95% of internet posts, I'm sure you understand...it's news to me, in any case. Deb from Springfield posts on the Springfield 1911 forum (http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29). She's a reliable source. Or you can give them a call. 1(800)680-6866

1911jock
July 13, 2008, 06:52 PM
I'd always heard frame/slide forgings were imported, finished/assembled stateside...haven't seen anything definitive debunking that
The frame on my SA GI is stamped Brazil and it had a nice little sheet of paper in the box that said Assembeled in USA

Not arguing, just would very much like some source for that besides an internet forum.....given the truth-quotient of 95% of internet posts, I'm sure you understand...it's news to me, in any case. Of course, so was the news I read here that Colt quit making 1911's several years back (wink).....
I saw that on the national news maybe 10 years ago but I thought it was for the AR-15 markt though. Several days later I heard it was just rumor though. But whatever right?

Frog48
July 13, 2008, 06:54 PM
Love my Springfield GI. The frame says Imbel Brazil, I have no idea where final assembly was completed.

Wolfman_556
July 13, 2008, 06:56 PM
The frame on my SA GI is stamped Brazil and it had a nice little sheet of paper in the box that said Assembeled in USA

Same with mine.

mtngunr
July 13, 2008, 07:12 PM
Well, Xavier, that sounds pretty definitive to me....thanks for the link....being a basically lazy guy, I'll not trouble with posting to Deb or calling, but the guy who started this thread will certainly find this of use....as an FYI, both of my GI WWII's said assembled in USA, also....they were very early ones, though, plastic grips, in the batch of first 3000 and 4000 produced. At the time, I knew 5 people at work who owned one, and everyone was quite pleased with their guns.

XavierBreath
July 13, 2008, 07:20 PM
Yep. My old blocky frame parkerized GI45 is serial number WW102XX. It is buzz penned IMBEL BRAZIL under the dust cover. It originally came with black plastic grips, a two piece barrel with a loaded chamber indicator slot, and the cardboard box. Neither it, nor my NM Mil-Spec read "Made in Brazil" over the serial, but rather they read "Springfield INC, Genesco IL USA there. It doesn't say assembled in USA, but Deb verified the US as the assembly location way back when.

Here's a pic of it now. A lot has been changed.

http://www.bayourovers.com/SpringfieldGI45inUSGIgrips.jpg

mtngunr
July 13, 2008, 07:43 PM
WAAY off topic, Xavier, but as long as I have you on the horn, that's a great blogspot, and my Smith 34-1 snubbie is my favorite leetle always gun that even goes along on my 3hr lawnmowing rides....now, back to our regularly scheduled programming....I believe none of my MilSpecs had the loaded chamber notch, which I think came out just after I got mine? I don't stay current on SA, last big news I recall being the glued-in plunger tube that didn't last long?

PS....ooops...blocky dust cover earlier than mine, so must be the chamber slot. OD and I decided the WWII's looked more like an Ithaca than anything else, and he went whole-hog "correcting" his after I pointed him to Amherst Depot, and mine getting mil-spec thumb safeties....my WWII gun was made up on a Colt WWI repro done up as a WWII arsenal refurb.

Karate
July 16, 2008, 12:05 AM
Maybe I am a little off base but it bothers me that we send so much of our work out of the country...when we have so many Americans who need good jobs...Does Smith and Wesson make their 1911's in the states?

kcshooter
July 16, 2008, 10:24 AM
They haven't sent work out to other contries. They never made the frames and slides here, and they've been importing them for 25 years or more.

Not really a valid concern here.

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