[FRIZ]

The Wall Street Journal
August 28, 2003

Cannibals
by Fatma Abdallah Mahmoud

An extract from "May the Cannibals be Cursed!" by Fatma Abdallah Mahmoud, published recently in Al-Akhbar, an Egyptian government daily. That government has received nearly $60 billion in aid from the U.S. taxpayer since 1979.

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB106202973756839000,00.html

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According to the French Dictionnaire Larousse, cannibals are primitive, barbaric, blood-letting creatures from the prehistoric era. They lived by killing their human enemies, tearing their bodies apart, disemboweling them, taking apart their organs, gouging out their eyes, scalping their heads, and hanging their skulls at the entrance to their caves! After that, they would gobble their flesh while it was still raw. Only after they had completely digested them could they be certain they were dead!

[Larousse] adds to this "enjoyable" explanation that this was how the cannibals, who were barbaric creatures similar to beasts of prey, took vengeance upon their enemies. They would slaughter them, tear them limb from limb, and mutilate the corpses, exactly as the American forces did to the bodies of Saddam Hussein's two sons Uday and Qusay, whose distressing and shocking pictures were circulated by the world media.

Every place that it destroys, annihilates, and plunders treasure and oil [from], America does no less than what primitive cannibal tribes did in the prehistoric era!!

What is the meaning of the abhorrent crimes that America perpetrates in Iraq, Liberia, Afghanistan, Sudan, and Palestine via the Israeli angels of destruction? What is the meaning of the deeds carried out everywhere by the American forces -- or to be more precise, by the children and grandchildren of the gangs of pirates and blood-letters who run [U.S.] policy?

Have they become beasts of prey, or bulls, barbaric, satanic, and unbridled, who tear apart bodies and destroy peaceful peoples?!

What is the meaning of this huge number of pictures in the news . . . that arouse horrified shock in our hearts? The body parts of the victims of American aggression against Iraq, torn and immersed in a pool of blood!! . . . In every country trampled by the feet of the American military forces, we see ghastly pictures of the remains of innocent civilian victims: eyes gouged out, noses cut off, limbs intentionally amputated with the flesh that covered them stripped off. I implore you to look at the pictures of Uday and Qusay, Saddam Hussein's two sons, who were horribly mutilated.

What happened to these American rulers -- I refer to those descended from the original pirates, as this is their true and absolutely undeniable origin. . . . What happened to these "hero offspring"? Have they . . . reverted to their decaying and debased primeval state?! Have they surrendered to their weakness for murdering, crushing, and shedding the blood of innocent civilians and victims?!"

What is the meaning of this satanic force that makes them mutilate corpses, in a way so barbaric and loathsome -- thus harming human dignity. . . and contravening the simplest of the rudiments of morality, humanity, and even military [ethics]?!! . . . The blood spilled in most of the countries of the free world -- the hero Iraq, the courageous fighting African Liberia from which America seeks to remove French protection, and Afghanistan, whose poor and ordinary citizens gave the arrogant American forces a drink from the bitter [cup] of defeat and humiliation, [the same cup from which] they drank, to intoxication, in their war in Somalia. In addition, we must never forget the fierce whipping the Americans took in Vietnam; American military honor was dragged like a floor rag through the Vietnamese swamps!

The fight against America will be continued, Allah willing, by the peoples waging Jihad against the original pirates and criminals -- or, to be more precise, against the cannibals and the human corpse-disembowelers!!

(Translated from the Arabic by the Middle East Media Research Institute.)

[jsalcedo]

Well isn't that precious!

Someone needs a clean pamper and a nap.


Maybe he just doesn't realize we can render flesh from miles away.

"Send in the Wire guided meat tenderizers, I'ts almost time for lunch"

[seeker_two]

:rolleyes:

[XLMiguel]

Between this and the suit brought by those Egyptian twinkies in Switzerland against the Jews for al the gold and cooking pots they stole when they left Egypt, I'm beginning to think the stupidest people on Earth must be Arabs :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Just my western, jiongoistic, ethnocentric,non-PC, not-so-humble opinion

[H Romberg]

Ya know, If I were one of the supposed Peacefull Majority of modern Muslims, I'd make darn sure things like this had a counterpoint from my point of view. Islam is being defined in the press these days by people that westerners see as a grave threat. If the great mass of Muslims in the world is really different, it would behoove them to make that known before the rest of the world desides they are more of a threat than they are worth.

[Jack19]

Ya know, If I were one of the supposed Peacefull Majority of modern Muslims, I'd make darn sure things like this had a counterpoint from my point of view.

Offering a dissenting opinion in the Arab world gets you killed.

Arab Justice (http://www.masada2000.org/3steps.html)

[Double Naught Spy]

I don't know the source, but the quoted information is pretty much completely incorrect.

According to the French Dictionnaire Larousse, cannibals are primitive, barbaric, blood-letting creatures from the prehistoric era. They lived by killing their human enemies, tearing their bodies apart, disemboweling them, taking apart their organs, gouging out their eyes, scalping their heads, and hanging their skulls at the entrance to their caves! After that, they would gobble their flesh while it was still raw. Only after they had completely digested them could they be certain they were dead!

[willyjixx]

taste like chicken

[TamThompson]

That's *really* reaching on the logic there.

I have mixed emotions about muslim women. Some muslims are building a house on the lot next door to us. A few weeks ago, in the 100-degree heat of August, the husband FINALLY brought the little wifey to look at the house being build. She was clad in a black burqa, hood, and flowing black to-the-ground black robes, and looked really hot. We said "hi" briefly, then I returned to my garage gym (clad only in jogbra and shorts) to finish lifting my weights. Talk about culture shock...

Here's what bugs me:
1. I've fought for womens' rights all my life, and it pisses me off to see muslim women accept being treated as second class citizens RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA. Yes, I know--fundamentalist Christianity does that, too, and I don't condone that either. I'm Episcopalian.) I wanted to go up to her and say, "You don't have to do that anymore--you're in AMERICA!" Then I remembered the 1st Amendment. She has a right to practice her religion, even if I think it's discriminatory towards women.

2. I felt sorry for her, and almost offered her a glass of water.

3. You can say "she's just following traditional muslim dress codes", but how come SHE has to do it and the husband DOESN'T??? He's always dressed in Dockers, a polo shirt--the whole yuppie-American trip, yet he says he's from Jordan and he looks and talks like an arab. (Yes, I know--Jordan's one of our strongest mid-east allies. So's Saudi Arabia, supposedly, and look at what THEY'VE been up to. I don't trust any of them.)

I'm going to figure out a way for us to move in the next few years. I don't like living in a new neighborhood where half the people are recent immigrants for suspicious countries.

[willyjixx]

im really not trying to be rude.

but.................whats it your business? its there culture.....................if she chooses to dress like that an except that lifestyle its her choice. your right she is an American now she has a choice now.


I'm going to figure out a way for us to move in the next few years. I don't like living in a new neighborhood where half the people are recent immigrants for suspicious countries.

gee i remember my dad telling me stories about how granpa felt when blacks started moving into his neighborhood. went right along the same lines of that.......

[BigG]

Sorry, gotta say it. If God didn't want people to eat people, why did he make them of meat? :evil: :neener:

[Don Gwinn]

That glass of water would have been a great idea. Beyond that, it's up to you whether you move or not and why, but you might get to know them first.

[willyjixx]

thats gross:barf:


course there are no feathers to pluck or fur to skin (ron jeremy excluded)

[HankB]

. . . taste like chicken . . . Not exactly . . . it's my understanding there's a reason Pacific islanders engaging in anthropophagy refer to the main course as "Long Pig."

[Orthonym]

I believe that language influences thought, and vice versa. It seems to me that most of the statements I've read by Arabic speakers are just full of hyperbole, exaggeration, and extreme poetic imagery. When an Arab says he's going to cut your head off, disembowel you, and dissolve the pieces in sulfuric acid, what he really means is that he's going to stick out his tongue and shake his fist at you. A fair number may actually do awful things, but they ALL talk that way. Maybe it's genetic? I've noticed Massad Ayub using rather energetically poetic language from time to time, and his heart's in the right place. (Wonder how HE gets along with the FBI/TSA/RSHA, with a name like that).

[Kharn]

TamThompson:
She was clad in a black burqa, hood, and flowing black to-the-ground black robes, and looked really hot.
Convection under a large, *black* robe with no belt will keep you relatively cool in the hot, desert sun due to convection (not as cool as most Americans are used to considering comfortable, but cooler than if you were out in the desert in BDUs or something). The hood probably didnt help with it, though. Wearing a belt would cut off the air flow and only let your legs be cooled, negating any benefits of the clothing. Dont even think about wearing a white robe in the desert or you'll be fried.

Kharn
(Its amazing what little factoids you can pick up when you're bored in class and decide to read the introductory pages to every chapter in a Thermodynamics text book while the prof drones on and on about some experiment he conducted back in 1945)

[TamThompson]

Don and Willy,
I know, I know. I'm just venting. I was not rude to them to their faces, nor do I intend to be. I'm just saying how I feel about it inside. And I'd stll like to know how come the husband doesn't have to follow the dress code if the wife does, if their customs are so important.

[willyjixx]

i cant really say as i dont know the culture or rules of their religion. but maybe hes not required to. maybe they belong to a looser sect.

[moa]

These clowns shedding tears for Uday? I understand one of Uday's last heroic acts prior to his final one, was he executed 17 of his bodyguards apparently so they would not rat out on Uday.

[10SOPT]

"gee i remember my dad telling me stories about how granpa felt when blacks started moving into his neighborhood. went right along the same lines of that......."

Same jist I got too. It does amaze me that many members of many forums on various web based chat sites, hide thier bigotry behind their IP addresses. I think it's foolish and Tam since your real beef is with the husband, why don't you pull him aside and confront him "the american way".


BTW: where is your husband during all of this?


.02

[KC]

Be careful about expressing your opinion, Tam. Some places in this country you might be sentenced to cultural sensivity re-education seminars, for thoughtcrime and speechcrime.

Remember, we as Americans are directly or inderectly responsible for all the woes of the world. We must sit patiently and quietly while people from other cultures (which are at least as equaly, if not better, than our own) berate us for our shortcomings. (Frequently while driving in cars rented at the airport, on a credit card, while carrying a cell phone, and possibly a laptop connected to the internet via wireless networking, wearing western-style clothing, speaking our language learned from our books in our schools, etc....)

While Arabic, or Islamic, cultures do not in any way, shape, or form have a monopoly on double standards, they do seem to have some of the most injurious ones. While your neighbor may be stuck wearing a burqua, I'd guess that the daughters aren't--maybe reduced to a headscarf--and even more interesting to know if the guy's granddaughters will be wearing even that, outside his presence. The Muslims fanatics are right in one respect; America is really great at corrupting a person, especially one used to being subject to heavy-handed societal controls under an authoritan theocracy.

[jsalcedo]

If we were punished for our thoughts instead of our actions this world would be a really rough place.

Tam trusted the THR community with her personal thoughts and I respect them even if I don't fully agree.

As long as she doesn't move their outhouse back 4 feet or hang a noose from their tree without getting to know them first then I won't judge.

Its really scary for some to be around middle easterners since 9/11 with Afganistan, Iraq, terrorism, the bombings in the news etc..

Its up to us to seperate the real from the unreal and the threats from the non threats.

It's human nature to fear and mistrust, luckily we have the brains to be able to discriminate and make wise decisions based on logic instead of fear.

It might behoove you to get to know your neighbors.
Maybe its the wifes choice to wear those garments maybe she will shed them in the coming year and wear a sportsbra while mowing the lawn.

Just my .02 dinar

[KC]

"If we were punished for our thoughts instead of our actions this world would be a really rough place."

Are we not already? I lost an "A" in a class this last semister when I pointed out that at least some Muslims in Saudi Arabia hold that the Earth is the center of the solar system/universe. (The friggen teacher called me a racist. Even after I presented to him the evidence, from an official mouthpiece of the Saudi government, of my claim.) There are schools in the US where students go through mandatory cultural sensivity training so as not to offend hypothetical classmates from overseas. In France, a Muslim cleric is suing a secular opponent for slandering Islam (not understanding that if a claim is true, it isn't slander.) In London, there is at least one goup who will be celebrating the 9/11 attacks and the "Magnificent 19" who provided "America's comeuppance", and offers classes on how America is indeed the abode of satan as we refuse to submit to the true faith of Islam. In this country, we have people making a big stink and behaving badly about removing an illictly placed religious monument from a public courthouse.

Thoughtcrime exists, and is sometimes punished. It is not likely that there will be less persecution of this before there is a lot more.

[willyjixx]

that was a little fast an harsh on my part, even a little hypocritical. My first thought when i met my neighbors were "great did they just jump the border" turns out they didnt an they had a really smart respectful kid who loves my Barracuda (thats how started talkin.....anybody who sais hey nice car what is it to me better get prepared for an earful!). sold him a little go ped scooter for 30$ (actually i more or less gave it to him since the money went to me fixing it for him) an now his mom always makes us some tamales all the time. turned out they were better folks than some of my "friends".


Kc's comment sure made me think of the book 1984
Be careful about expressing your opinion, Tam. Some places in this country you might be sentenced to cultural sensivity re-education seminars, for thoughtcrime and speechcrime.

you expressed your 1st amendment right an i chastised you for it. i feel really guilty now
:(

[Orthonym]

of Uday and Qusay. They're on Rotten.com. The guys at Rotten anticipated this kind of thing, saying something like the Army morticians got entirely too carried away with "necrocosmetology"such that those boys didn't look like ANYBODY after they got through slathering on the putty and makeup. Reminds me of some Baptist funerals I've been to. ("Don't she look natural?" No.)

While at Rotten, check out the photos of the metal plate and screws extracted from Uday's left shin. I think it's he alright, but it IS revolting and I can see how people could get upset.

[Skunkabilly]

Gotta love it when Asians move to the neighborhood. We take in all the stray cats and dogs :D

KC, where do you go to school? I had a class called 'cultural awareness' or something like that in 9th grade or so.

[jimpeel]

http://www.ncaabbs.com/newgraemlins/ohdrama.jpg

This writer is an agitprop against anything that might come out in a positive manner for the people of Iraq. He would be happy to show me the bottom of his shoe and think that he had, in some small way, offended me. Cannibals my a--! Eat this!

[KC]

Skunkabilly;
Re: cats & dogs; isn't that like going to the local greasy wok when Fluffy goes missing? :D

So far as where I go to school, it's the college campus that has the highest percentage of foreign students in California. So far as cultural awareness goes..sometimes discussions get interesting, especially when the Israelis and Palestinians start in on certain subjects. I've never been subjected to mandatory 'sultural sensivity' classes, but that is probably only by accident.

willyjixx:
I didn't even consider what you had written, and I certainly didn't mean anything personally by it. I just have this gift for accidentally and unintentionally insulting people.
Don't feel guilty...guit is overrated anyway. Learn from your experiences, and try not to make the same mistake twice in a row--make new ones.


So far as the autopsy pics on Rotten.com go; they've actually put some limits on themselves over the years. The pictorials aren't nearly as gruesome as they used to be, and the really bad ones have been taken down.

[willyjixx]

fear not! think skinned an hard headed is I!

you just made me think a little harder about what i said!

now we gotta put you to work on the rest of the world of anti's:D

[XLMiguel]

Skunk -
For every stereotype there's a grain of truth. When my bro lived in S Alexandria, there was a [right off the boat] Chinese family two doors down that really was BBQing Fluffy. Seems the local cat population really was declining, rumors ran amouk, kids went looking in said family's trash cans, found kitty remains. My niece was one of the nosey kids.:eek:

There was a rather emotional 'sensitivity/socialization' sesssion that included offers of arson-assisted relocation that calmed down considerably after the constabulary arrive. The family had some local relatives who showed up and smoothed things over, but it was a pretty ugly bit of culture clash at the time. It was a much more interesting neighborhoos than the yupified subdivision he's in now :rolleyes:

[willyjixx]

remember Korea!

when i was there in PLDC there was a dog farm close to the Land Nav course. big ol pots of boiling water an fur are some things i remember. different culture....wasnt my business.

[seeker_two]

Gotta love it when Asians move to the neighborhood. We take in all the stray cats and dogs

Trade you my 'possum recipies for your cat recipes... :D

The real problem in multiculturalism isn't respecting a person's right to have certain beliefs--it's the fact that people who don't share those beliefs are forced to accept those beliefs as RIGHT. And many of the beliefs that the Muslims have about Western culture are just NOT RIGHT.

I caused quite an arguement in a CPS Multicultural training class once when I argued that, in order to be truly tolerant, one must accept that the intolerance of others (i.e. KKK, Black Panthers, etc.) is as valid a POV as any other.

Ever see an Austin liberal's head implode?... :evil:

[Standing Wolf]

<sarcasm> I guess it was all our fault for antagonizing them. </sarcasm>

[Skunkabilly]

remember Korea!
How can I forget?!?!?! Fond memories of the place. That's dog by the way.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/dog4.jpg

Gotta love King of the Hill when they thought the Laotians that moved next door were going to eat their dog. "So are you Chinese or Japanese?" :D

[Orthonym]

I think some people may be missing my point here. Scroll down and read Rotten's comments! Nothing our folks did or didn't do to the bodies would have changed the minds of those already convinced, but the heavy-handed attempt to prettify the corpses, along with, well, pictures of dead people (who always look awful) sliced open on the slab, may have been sufficient to gross out the fence-sitters, who don't really like us very much anyway.