What caliber for lion?


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MikeG
July 15, 2008, 09:29 PM
This happened in my neighborhood yesterday. Several people reported seeing an African lion:eek: just a few miles ENE of us. :what:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9881875?source=rss

I wonder if it was just mass hallucination, or did some idiot out here really have a lion illegally. I wouldn't put it past somebody to have one, either as a pet or to guard a drug operation. And maybe it escaped.
Until we know for sure, I'm keeping the rifle handy and paying attention to the dogs barking.

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mrsig
July 15, 2008, 09:30 PM
9.3x62 or 458 Lott.

- Sig

KiltedClaymore
July 15, 2008, 09:31 PM
NO NO NO!!!! use a 4 bore loaded with 2,000 grain solid copper bullets.

Solo Flyer
July 15, 2008, 09:39 PM
or 458 Lott.


Copy me on this caliber for lion.

BikerRN
July 15, 2008, 09:40 PM
375 H&h

Eric F
July 15, 2008, 09:44 PM
NO NO NO!!!! use a 4 bore loaded with 2,000 grain solid copper bullets.
+1
thats exactly what I thought when I saw this but then if we go old school

72 cal bouble muzzle loader or my standard answer a 50-90 sharps

Stevie-Ray
July 15, 2008, 09:45 PM
20mm

shevrock
July 15, 2008, 09:46 PM
10 gauge :) or seriously it depends on if you want to kill it or not.

scrat
July 15, 2008, 09:48 PM
all i know is that pic clearly classifies as an emergency. if i saw one of those hopefully i would have my .50 cal close enough. followed by .45 long colt or .44 Walker

PTK
July 15, 2008, 09:49 PM
Best caliber nothing, stay indoors. If it busts in (unlikely), multiple hits from a good penetrator is my bet. 20 rds of 308 solids, anyone?

Sheldon J
July 15, 2008, 10:18 PM
.416 Rem Mag, 400 grain solid brass bullet at 3,000 FPS, certifiable dangerous game round.

KiltedClaymore
July 15, 2008, 10:21 PM
still cant beat the 2,000 grain copper solid. 2,000 grains=0.25 pounds.

Eric F
July 15, 2008, 10:24 PM
All this talk of solid bullets........wait my 50-90 is a solid lead flat nose.........never mind

Zebraranger
July 15, 2008, 10:28 PM
.450 Marlin will take it in one shot.

Cypress
July 15, 2008, 10:32 PM
Why would you shoot someones DOG!!!!!! (looks like a chow mix to me)

jagugator
July 15, 2008, 10:37 PM
:what:

Wow, it just so happens that "The Ghost and the Darkness" was on the boob tube today.


Coincidence, I think not!

JackBurtonJr
July 15, 2008, 10:39 PM
.22 lr will more than do the trick. After all, you don't have to outrun the lion... just the person you're with. So shoot them in the leg.

brighamr
July 15, 2008, 10:49 PM
Hmmm... I'm thinking .50BMG

BigO01
July 15, 2008, 10:59 PM
A few years ago a guy in Northern Arkansas killed twoAfrican lions in his backyard , he used a 30-06 .

It isn't unheard of for people to have them illegally and when they get caught to just turn some of them loose before the law shows up and takes a accurate count as the fines are on a per animal basis .

www.lorencoleman.com/Arkansas_Lions.html

lloydkristmas
July 15, 2008, 11:00 PM
nuke it from orbit, just to be sure

VARifleman
July 15, 2008, 11:01 PM
still cant beat the 2,000 grain copper solid. 2,000 grains=0.25 pounds.
0.286 lbs. 7000 grains in a pound.

Harve Curry
July 15, 2008, 11:03 PM
A 12 ga. pump shotgun or a double barrel, loaded with slugs should be good protection.

KiltedClaymore
July 15, 2008, 11:04 PM
Quote:
still cant beat the 2,000 grain copper solid. 2,000 grains=0.25 pounds.

0.286 lbs. 7000 grains in a pound.

CLOSE ENOUGH! but good to know

TehK1w1
July 15, 2008, 11:04 PM
416 Rigby minimum. Personally, I would lock myself in my jeep and try to run it over-I guess I'm not sporting enough.

KiltedClaymore
July 15, 2008, 11:05 PM
416 Rigby minimum. Personally, I would lock myself in my jeep and try to run it over-I guess I'm not sporting enough.

you'd lose.

jrfoxx
July 15, 2008, 11:09 PM
flamethrower. I havent seen an animal yet that was fireproof, and was pretty darn afraid of smoke and flames, even if you miss. Plus, you get to cook it in the process. mmmmmmmmm lion backstrap.......

KiltedClaymore
July 15, 2008, 11:10 PM
well if we are going for any weapon, i say use flaming arrows fired from a crossbow.

Furncliff
July 15, 2008, 11:24 PM
Perhaps it came from here:http://www.wildanimalsanctuary.com/

They are NE of Denver

KiltedClaymore
July 15, 2008, 11:28 PM
maybe it swam from africa?

yenchisks
July 15, 2008, 11:29 PM
a spear it's been done?:)

The_Shootist
July 15, 2008, 11:36 PM
....when a post on THR asking "Is a .44 Mag Too Much for SD" seems a bit out of touch :what:

Kosh75287
July 15, 2008, 11:48 PM
What would I use, were a lion loose in MY neighborhood? I don't own a rifle capable of taking the largest and toughest game in the world. Unless they've just returned from Africa, neither does the average gun owner.

It's not impossible to imagine someone owning a .35 Whelen, which might make the grade. Beyond that, a slug-loaded shotgun, preferably with an extended magazine. I might not get an opportunity to use all those rounds, but I refuse to lose a confrontation by running out of ammo.

Since neither of these are in my armoury at the moment, I'd prolly reach for the M1-A and two magazines (besides the one already in it), and hope that at least one round will penetrate into something vital.

Another interesting possibility, along the lines of a .450 Marlin, would be a Marlin M1895 in .45-70, loaded hot, and with a heavy solid.

As for the other suggestions, I'm fresh out of tactical nukes, I don't have any ammo for the 20mm Vulcan, and my flame thrower's in the shop.

tigre
July 16, 2008, 12:20 AM
Why would you shoot someones DOG!!!!!! (looks like a chow mix to me)
It's hard to tell in the picture, but the curve of the tail and the flatness of the face make it look like a lion. The paws look about the right size, but shaped a bit more like a dog. Really terrible picture though.

Privately owned big cats aren't uncommon in some places - it's estimated that there are more tigers back home in Texas than in India, many of them legally owned. I've seen ads in the paper for tiger and lion cubs there. Don't know the situation in Colorado, though. I imagine if someone's kitty got out they'd keep pretty quiet about it regardless.

When I worked at a big cat sanctuary we kept 12-gauges loaded with slugs in case of emergency. But the first order of business is to get in the house. It's probably pretty unlikely to come crashing in the window unless it's provoked.

Dravur
July 16, 2008, 12:48 AM
I dunno, what caliber is a Jeep? Cuz, Im gonna park a Jeep on it.

Plus, that does not look like a Lion in the pic.... Maybe a big Chow/Mastiff cross.....

Might be Bigfoot doubled over in laughter with a squirrel holding onto his rump... I dunno.

Z-Michigan
July 16, 2008, 12:54 AM
OK, who here actually owns one of those african-game rifles? Right, I thought so.

Of things people are likely to own, I'd take a semiauto .30 cal with as many rounds as possible, a lever gun in .45-70 or bigger (.450 Marlin), or a shotgun with sabot slugs. Regular shotgun slugs would be an OK 3rd choice, but really don't have as much penetration.

There's at least one video on youtube of a lion charging a hunter. He hits it with something big - like a .375 H&H - and it still jumps him and hurts him. Then it runs away, though the guide shoots it again and I assume it's finally done for. If the first hunter hadn't shot it he'd definitely be dead.

If I was planning on meeting a lion I'd be thinking an AR with something like .338 Federal (AR-10 type platform), .50 Beowolf/.458 Socom/ or .450 Bushmaster. Second choice would be a Marlin in .450 Marlin. But I hope I never have to plan on meeting an angry lion. And I doubt I'll have time to go gun shopping if I ever do.

ColinthePilot
July 16, 2008, 01:20 AM
I'm going to go with volume of fire. First up would be my Garand with plenty of enbloc clips full of 30.06 handy. Realistically and without adding anything to my current collection, thats what I'd be using. Next up would likey be the Mosin, due to the low rate of fire as compared with the M1. Last up would be the SKS since I don't really think 7.62X39 would be very effective except in large doses. Obviously, I'm just gonna forget I own any handguns or my .22LR.

KiltedClaymore
July 16, 2008, 01:22 AM
zmichigan is a killjoy...

General Geoff
July 16, 2008, 01:25 AM
Ideally, .338 Lapua Magnum.

I think a .30 cal semi auto would do nicely, though. Lions may be rather large and very dangerous, but they don't have incredibly thick hides. Any full power .30 caliber rifle round should penetrate to their vitals easily enough.

waverace
July 16, 2008, 01:30 AM
Paw print looks like a cats (no claws) I'd go with the 30 cal or possibly a hot 45/70 :uhoh:

mrsig
July 16, 2008, 02:04 AM
Larry from FBMG sold me a 458 Lott and 9.3x62 in the last CZ group buy, so I stand by my first answer. If I were not so insane as to have purchased these rifles, I would go with the Marlin Guide Gun with a BFR in .45-70 as backup.

- Sig

M203Sniper
July 16, 2008, 03:03 AM
http://www.armalite.com/images/large%20images%5CRifles%5CAR10A4_RIFLE%20large.jpg

AR-10 A4 .308

Ridgerunner665
July 16, 2008, 03:12 AM
An honest answer....


I agree...a 308 would do the job quick and clean with a good hit.

Treo
July 16, 2008, 04:08 AM
Okaaaaay , Calm down folks according to KRDO T.V. news this morning the "lion" has been identified as someone's Great Pyrenese DOG.

Real lion, I'm sure a 30-30 would do the trick

bonza
July 16, 2008, 04:29 AM
I think a .405WCF works on big fluffy dogs, too! If it was good enough for T.R., it's good enough for me.

Defensory
July 16, 2008, 04:54 AM
A .308 would suffice, but I'd use a 30-06.

possom813
July 16, 2008, 05:06 AM
Take your time and aim, I figure a .22 magnum would do the job with a good shot.

If you're not that good of a shot, I figure any caliber ending in Nitro Express should do the trick.

Barring that, I've never been disappointed with 7.62x54r or 30-06

HK G3
July 16, 2008, 05:58 AM
.338 Lapua Magnum is what I'd use...

Although realistically .308 would bring the beast down as well, though I'd probably like a 30 round mag for this sort of mess :p

Does anyone know what caliber the hunters used on that lion that ended up inspiring The Ghost and the Darkness used? IIRC, the lion is still on display in the Smithsonian, stuffed.

CajunBass
July 16, 2008, 06:16 AM
If I remember correctly, Peter Capstick in one of his books or the other said he used a 12 ga loaded with "SG" buckshot to follow up wounded lions. Now someone can correct me if I'm wrong, SG is about the same size as No 1 Buckshot? Of course he knew shots were going to be measured in feet, not yards.

Does anyone know what caliber the hunters used on that lion that ended up inspiring The Ghost and the Darkness used? IIRC, the lion is still on display in the Smithsonian, stuffed.

I'm not sure what caliber, but the lions in question are on display at the Natural History Museum in Chicago.

Pilot
July 16, 2008, 07:37 AM
.416 Rigby in a Holland & Holland Double.

CYANIDEGENOCIDE
July 16, 2008, 07:52 AM
ideally a .600 overkill. considering i don't have anything larger than '06 in rifles and .500 smith in handguns I think I would probably be in a world of hurt

wheelgunslinger
July 16, 2008, 08:28 AM
Does anyone know what caliber the hunters used on that lion that ended up inspiring The Ghost and the Darkness used? IIRC, the lion is still on display in the Smithsonian, stuffed.
Col. Patterson used his own personal .303, I believe.

Treo
July 16, 2008, 09:44 AM
On a side note; I heard on the news (KRDO again) this morning, that while every body was out in East El Paso county chasing the lion that wasn't . a bear that was walked in to a Circuit City at one of the busier intersections in town (North Academy & Woodmen) .

So what caliber for bear in the home electronics section?

robert garner
July 16, 2008, 10:20 AM
South Africans use the 303 , on what is refered to as vermin.
Wishing one of those chaps would sing out!
robert

jahwarrior
July 16, 2008, 10:28 AM
the maasai tribe of africa had a tradition, until recent times, meant to prove the manhood of their warriors. a young man would take a leather shield, an axe, and a spear, and would hunt and kill a lion, take off its mane, and wear it back to the village.

with a leather shield, an axe, and a spear.

thank G*D we americans have 12 gauge slugs, instead.

CajunBass
July 16, 2008, 10:59 AM
On a side note; I heard on the news (KRDO again) this morning, that while every body was out in East El Paso county chasing the lion that wasn't . a bear that was walked in to a Circuit City at one of the busier intersections in town (North Academy & Woodmen) .

We had a bear do that at one of the local Wal-Marts not too long ago. Just walked on in when the automatic door opened.

TallPine
July 16, 2008, 11:59 AM
I would just let it hang out in my garden (corn patch) ;)

My mom had a bear hanging around her neighborhood a few years ago (near Academy & Union). I think DOW finally trapped it and moved it. Maybe it came home ?

KiltedClaymore
July 16, 2008, 12:20 PM
.303 is a good choice. better yet, maybe a hakim with 200 grain softpoints? the 8mm is a pretty good penetrator. plus, with heavy bullets, that round becomes a real bone-smasher. and a bear in your corn patch? well, some folks like dogs, others like bears.

TallPine
July 16, 2008, 12:58 PM
a bear in your corn patch?

No, a lion. Not a new one, though.

KiltedClaymore
July 16, 2008, 01:00 PM
so you want a second hand lion?

scrat
July 16, 2008, 01:00 PM
amazing to see all the different calibers people would use.

Bowman140
July 16, 2008, 01:09 PM
I just don't understand why you wouldn't just chase it down and kill it with your bare hands. Or am I the only one that does that?:D

M203Sniper
July 16, 2008, 01:11 PM
for bear I use a paint marker

http://www.airshooter.co.uk/media/Orion_kit.jpg

:neener:

KiltedClaymore
July 16, 2008, 01:28 PM
I just don't understand why you wouldn't just chase it down and kill it with your bare hands.

i only do that with water buffalo.

Working Man
July 16, 2008, 01:36 PM
420 or 540-GR .45-70 at 1850 or 1550-FPS, both hard cast in a Marlin.
BFR backup 405-GR 1900-FPS will work.

ARKIESTEEL
July 16, 2008, 02:53 PM
I seem to think that any rifle suited for deer hunting would be ok for lion in a non charge shoot it out the front door kind of way something like a 30-06 300wsm or the like would be fine. If I was caught out I wouldnt be upset to find my 1100 rem 12 gauge in my hand with one round of slug followed by 4 rounds of 00 buckshot. Maybe if I was real lucky I could look down and see my 629 smith loaded with 240 grain half jacked hollow points on my hip. I know most of you say I would need a solid round for the 44 but if I have to pull that pistol its going to be right on top of me otherwise I would still be loading that shotgun and firing it, and I think that at the range of 3 to 10 feet I want to knock as big a hole as I can. I think I still have some 310 grain xtp around the house somewhere that would be better but the standard load of 240 hp is what stays in that pistol most times.


just my thoughts about stuff I already have if we are talking anything goes maybe a double rifle in 470 nitro express

mnw42
July 16, 2008, 03:01 PM
.405 Winchester in an 1895 - It worked for T.R. A 45/70 would be plenty adequate. Since I have neither I''' just use my No.4 with some mk. VII ball or a shotty with slugs.

Crunker1337
July 16, 2008, 03:15 PM
Rifle carry in TX is legal. TAKE ADVANTAGE of that, if you have to go outside before this is all cleared up. AK47, or some other .30 cal semiautomatic, or a powerful bolt-action rifle would be fine.

JWF III
July 16, 2008, 03:27 PM
Most of your suggestions are pure overkill. All of the big cats are thin-skinned animals. Any cartridge that'll put a deer down will do the job (with proper bullet placement).

But if you want my suggestion, the biggest I have (in a repeater) is .300 Win Mag. My personal preference would be an Abrams tank. A jeep just doesn't offer enough armor or weaponry.

Harvster
July 16, 2008, 03:40 PM
Just looked at the pictures and can't believe people could mistake that for a lion. Unless the dog ate it, there is no lion in that picture. And the paw prints...what are they about four inches across? An adult lion would probably have paw prints twice that size. This also makes me wonder how many mountain lion sightings are people's pet kitties.

RonC
July 16, 2008, 03:45 PM
I'm not surprised at the identification of the 'lion' as a dog. The poor photo might hint at a lion on the front end, but the haunches are doggie. Lions butts aren't nearly as hairy as that Great Pyrenees'.

Now, mountain lions - that's a whole different story.

Have y'all seen the Youtube video of the German fellow who gets out of his car in South Africa, right in front of his family, and walks up to a pride of lions to take a video of them. A female jumped him from behind and the rest started making him lunch. No, not making lunch for him. He WAS lunch. For those with weak stomachs, don't watch that particular video. I often work near where he was killed and I had nightmares for days after seeing the video.

Ron

wheelgunslinger
July 16, 2008, 03:50 PM
People are so disconnected from nature that it's sad. They're probably saying bobcats are cougars.

HB
July 16, 2008, 03:56 PM
Stick's and stones just like my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great Grandpappy used. I don't think 288 generations is old enough though:neener:

Z-Michigan
July 16, 2008, 05:01 PM
I seem to think that any rifle suited for deer hunting would be ok for lion in a non charge
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Most of your suggestions are pure overkill. All of the big cats are thin-skinned animals. Any cartridge that'll put a deer down will do the job (with proper bullet placement).

Uh, watch some lion hunting videos. Yes, a .308 with a well placed shot may kill the lion within 1-3 minutes. In that time the lion can kill you and a dozen of your best friends or relatives, before it dies. Some of the hunting videos are worthy of nightmares. The one I mentioned earlier has a lion hit with an african-class cartridge and it barely fazes it, though does faze it enough that it doesn't try really hard to kill the person it was charging.

If I actually expected to get charged by a lion, I would want semiauto (ideally full-auto, good luck affording one) shooting at least 300gr a pop, preferably >400gr, of big diameter lead.

Mind you, I'm talking about adult african lions. If you start talking about North American mountain lions (still a cat, otherwise completely different), I would not feel undergunned with a .44 magnum handgun, and even a .357 wouldn't be too bad.

Zoogster
July 16, 2008, 07:03 PM
Tranquilizer dart!

Then good transport. It is worth a lot more alive.

Who wants to buy a lion?

the maasai tribe of africa had a tradition, until recent times, meant to prove the manhood of their warriors. a young man would take a leather shield, an axe, and a spear, and would hunt and kill a lion, take off its mane, and wear it back to the village.
Sounds like an awesome safari. Why kill it from a distance when you can actualy battle it?

I mean the Romans captured them with brute force ALIVE to bring back for the arenas. Certainly killing one is far easier than that.

oneshooter
July 16, 2008, 07:34 PM
A traditional "lion gun".

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=81482&stc=1&d=1216251173


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=81483&stc=1&d=1216251173

60cal. caplock double rifle!

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

KiltedClaymore
July 16, 2008, 07:36 PM
Have y'all seen the Youtube video of the German fellow who gets out of his car in South Africa, right in front of his family, and walks up to a pride of lions to take a video of them. A female jumped him from behind and the rest started making him lunch. No, not making lunch for him. He WAS lunch. For those with weak stomachs, don't watch that particular video. I often work near where he was killed and I had nightmares for days after seeing the video.


link?

ProficientRifleman
July 16, 2008, 07:43 PM
416 Rigby minimum.

I would go with the Rigby also. I would load it with 400 gr. Woodleigh bullets stoked to about 2450 fps.

Now thats good Lion medicine!

Zoogster
July 16, 2008, 07:47 PM
link?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkk5S0xhfVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWOBY1EIkzo

That is what happens when you are both stupid, and you go into dangerous situations with worthless people that won't back you up.
Keep that in mind if you have friends that might find it more fascinating to watch you be eaten and hesitate to put themselves in danger.

I would have driven right into the lions with the vehicle, slammed the door into the lion several times and stabbed at it with something in the car, crowbar or something. Then pulled him into the vehicle.
The people he was with just do a little yelling and sit in the vehicles.

They had several thousand pound metalic monsters tougher than any lion and they sat there and watched the lions eat him.

Bunch of pansies he was with.

KiltedClaymore
July 16, 2008, 07:50 PM
im pretty sure i would have messed myself. dont judge reactions unless you've been in that situation before. but i do agree, they should have done SOMETHING. what happened to the war-like germans we all knew and loved?

.38 Special
July 16, 2008, 07:55 PM
Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks with iron clad suggestions about what does and does not work for African lions have actually seen an African lion in the wild, let alone used your suggested caliber on one?

I mean, I'm all for killing time imagining what we'd do and use, but I dunno about the folks that seem so emotionally invested in their choices -- unless, of course, they've "been there done that".

Zoogster
July 16, 2008, 08:01 PM
Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks with iron clad suggestions about what does and does not work for African lions have actually seen an African lion in the wild, let alone used your suggested caliber on one?
They are a dangerous animal, and even wounded they can be determined to fight back.
However they are also a thin skinned animal.
Poachers slaughter lions that causes problems with AK47s. It might not be a good lion caliber, but that is why they deliver multiple rounds in an unsportsmanlike fashion.

Ideal hunting calibers are designed to kill in one shot, and be as humane as possible. Many less than ideal calibers can be effective as well, especialy when lead is delivered in bulk.
In fact poachers often kill elephants with AK47s. They deliver as many shots as it takes and keep shooting. Then they go cut out its tusks and leave it to rot.
But they killed it with a round no sane person would hunt an elephant with.
Killing something and hunting are very different things.

possom813
July 16, 2008, 08:07 PM
Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks with iron clad suggestions about what does and does not work for African lions have actually seen an African lion in the wild, let alone used your suggested caliber on one?

Not I, but my brother in law went on an African safari last year and used .470 Nitro Express, .300 and .375 H&H. He probably used other's as well.

Link to pics of Africa hunt. (http://web.mac.com/hunter_elam/iWeb/Site/Safari.html)

Another link, because I think the pics are screwed up on the first link. (http://www.limcroma.com/Safari-Albums/Hunter-Debbie-Elam.htm)

86thecat
July 16, 2008, 09:26 PM
"The Perfect Shot" by Kevin "Doctari" Robertson suggests at least a 250 grain bullet at 2200 fps but goes on to say "The venerable .375 H&H must be one of the best lion calibers when loaded with the right bullets.", all the way up to "The various .458 cartridges ....(describes loads)......will also be most effective on lion.". Pretty hard to argue with that.

Dravur
July 17, 2008, 08:52 AM
4 inch pocket knife lets keep it even

Except that one lion brought 10 4" pocket knives as well as enough sharp teeth and powerful muscles to whack a rhino....

So, I am guessing that a 4" pocket knife in no way makes it "even". :rolleyes:

I have no idea what my reaction to a real live lion face to face would do, but if I had an AK, I would unload it at the lion....If I happened to have a Dillon Aero, ditto...unload on the lion.... If I had a B-52 bomber... unload on lion...

The consistent theme is, no matter what I happen to be carrying, the lion gets all the bullets, or as many as my shaking body can get into him.

Now, if I happen to be carrying my 9mm, then that is what he gets. All I really know, is if I survived an encounter with a lion, my shorts would need changing....

Now, this is assuming im not on a wild lion hunt in Africa. If I am, then my weapon of choice is an RPG with a New York Reload.

Hk91-762mm
July 17, 2008, 09:53 AM
I'm going to go with volume of fire. First up would be my Garand with plenty of enbloc clips full of 30.06 handy. Realistically and without adding anything to my current collection, thats what I'd be using. Next up would likey be the Mosin, due to the low rate of fire as compared with the M1. Las

A .308 would suffice, but I'd use a 30-06.
You guys win the prize-As a kid i read everything about hunting Africa and the Professional hunters said the 06 as good for lion!
If ya shoot him in the wrong place with a BMG -50 hes gona get as shure as if ya miss with an 06.
For the record I saw a Rodisian Game warden dispatch an elephant with 1 shot from an FAL --Sukka went to the ground Like a ton of bricks !

Poprivit
July 17, 2008, 02:06 PM
Been there, done that, got THAT T shirt. My buddy hit a lion just below the right eye with a .375 H&H. Lion spin around and started roaring and coming our way. Then the surrounding area sounded like a WWII infantry charge. Hit him 3 more times before he ran out of growl.

I've got a photo of the lion on a Cape Buffalo kill just before we tried to turn him into a rug. Wish i knew how to upload. I've also got a photo of what happens to a Cape Buffalo when a 458 Lott taps him.
Tom Murphy
Botswana last April

thegriz
July 17, 2008, 03:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II8lhnCKMrA&NR=1

Here is a video of a lion being killed by a pistol. Very graphic and not for everybody. The lion is in the process of eating a man when it gets shot. It looks like after the first shot it simply tries to pull the man under a bench or table. The lion is out of the fight much faster than I would have expected.

The guys friend is reaching through the bars of the cage and grasping the lion's mane to keep it from killing his buddy. Then he opens the door and leaps in to pull the lion's body away from his friend the moment it fell over. It doesn't appear to be dead yet. That's a good friend.

Can anybody identify the pistol?

acousticmood
July 19, 2008, 01:30 AM
I'd like to use a punt gun.

Apple a Day
July 19, 2008, 07:01 AM
155mm
No sense mucking about

hoji
July 19, 2008, 07:35 AM
The picture is of a dog. Lions do not have "bushy "tails.:eek:

bthest86
July 19, 2008, 08:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II8lhnCKMrA&NR=1

Here is a video of a lion being killed by a pistol. Very graphic and not for everybody. The lion is in the process of eating a man when it gets shot. It looks like after the first shot it simply tries to pull the man under a bench or table. The lion is out of the fight much faster than I would have expected.

The guys friend is reaching through the bars of the cage and grasping the lion's mane to keep it from killing his buddy. Then he opens the door and leaps in to pull the lion's body away from his friend the moment it fell over. It doesn't appear to be dead yet. That's a good friend.

Can anybody identify the pistol?

Geez. I was pretty surprised when I saw the pistol. It looked like a 32 or a 38. Made short work of that lion nonetheless with three shots. But did he miss with the first shot or what? It looks like it hit something a few feet to left.

Drgong
July 19, 2008, 09:19 AM
If I was sporting, something like a .458 Lott....

If sporting is not important, carry something that fires a powerful round, or very quckly, or better yet...BOTH

Big Boomer
July 19, 2008, 10:53 AM
still cant beat the 2,000 grain copper solid. 2,000 grains=0.25 pounds.
0.286 lbs. 7000 grains in a pound.

So you want to give it a quarter pounder? Anyone wanna add cheese to that?

Equestrian
April 26, 2010, 08:37 PM
mosin m44 if 30-06 is fine then so should be 7.62x54 and think the muzzle flash will pretenderise everytihn ready for grillin

22-rimfire
April 26, 2010, 08:58 PM
Reminds me of the movie, Secondhand Lions..... .375 H&H.

Redneck with a 40
April 26, 2010, 09:31 PM
Since lion's are thin skinned, I'd go with a 200 grain bullet in 30-06.

BushyGuy
April 26, 2010, 09:41 PM
.406 weatherby magnum, .338 win mag, .375 Rigby, .45-70 govt and .450 marlin.

Snakum
April 26, 2010, 11:27 PM
Caliber for lion? For me it would be 7.62x51 NATO.





In the form of an M240. :D

JShirley
April 26, 2010, 11:54 PM
All this thread now generates is noise and annoyance.

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