Black Powder Shot Gunners out there????????


July 16, 2008, 10:15 AM
I would like to start playing wiyh a shot gun but don't know anyone doing it.
Any advice

Anyone got one for sale ?

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July 16, 2008, 12:55 PM
Sold my sxs percussion a few months ago to build up funds for a flintlock fowler. Check the auctions for a T/C New Englander in 12 ga. A good reliable place to start.

July 16, 2008, 01:48 PM
Someone else was asking about buying one so I posted the pictures of one for sale in the THR thread listed below to save anyone some trouble looking them up.
It's a double barrel 12 gauge:

The original for sale ad expires from view after a period of time even though it still exits in the data base through the URL link below:

Shooting a ML shotgun is pretty much like shooting any other modern shotgun or smoothbore muzzle loader. The extra steps required are to measure out the amount of shot and to insert the type of card or wad material of your choice under and over the payload.
Wadding can be as simple as newspaper, wax carton material, leather, thick fiber wads, thin wool wads, conventional modern plastic shotshell wads etc...
Patched round ball and/or buckshot can be fired out of one too.
I recently shot some pulled .22 long rifle bullets out of a smoothbore pistol to use like a short range scattergun.
Just about anything that can be rammed down a smooth bore can be fired out of it.
So they're very versatile and a lot of fun to shoot. :)
July 16, 2008, 07:24 PM
i sometimes use modern plastic shot cups to help with the pattern. when doing that, be sure to use the old style over powder wad and then a lubed cushion wad between the powder and plastic cup. when i first started, i just used the plastic cup and it started getting real hard to load. when i cleaned it, long strings of plastic were retrieved from the barrel. if i can help any more, feel free to pm or e-mail me.

July 16, 2008, 10:17 PM
I shoot a lot of BP shotgun, but not the muzzle loaders. Which are you interested in shooting?

Loyalist Dave
July 17, 2008, 07:34 AM
I hunt with a 20 gauge Pedersoli S x S all the time during hunting season. It is choked mod and IC for upland bird shooting, and it's a caplock. I use a dual cartridge system that I figured out so that I could keep up with the guys in my hunting party that use modern, breeched guns. I use two cartridges made of paper tubes, one has the pre-measured 2Fg powder, and the other has the same volume of shot. I use 70 grains of 2fg which is a 2.5 dram load, and about 7/8 oz of shot, using #7.5. The powder cartridge is made with good, bond paper. I tear it open, pour in the powder, and ram the empty tube down to form the wad. This is followed by the shot-cartridge made of newsprint, and it is torn, poured, and rammed down on top of the shot to form the over-shot-card. Quick, simple, works well, and add a cap and the barrel is ready to fire.

PLASTIC wads are NOT a good idea. They melt and foul up the barrel something fierce. The original fomula for Hoppe's #9 had Benzine, and it was a huge success with shotgunners 'cause the "new" plastic shotshell wads were being used with black powder and cordite loads, and melting in the barrels. The Benzine would instantly melt the plastic residue from inside the barrels in one swipe. Fantastic! (Also a good way to get lung cancer...., so no Benzine today!) Modern powders don't get quite that hot, and modern wads don't melt nearly as bad as they once did but...., I'd avoid them.

Here's how to make the cartridges:


July 17, 2008, 08:33 PM
This Flintlock is in the tradition of a Beck. It is a short barreled Fowler. Actually built by JP Searles as a custom patridge gun ~predating the rage for canoe guns ~

20 gauge...It is a very light and lively gun.....


kentucky bucky
July 18, 2008, 07:30 PM
The site below is a good place to learn some facts and basics about ML shotguns:

July 25, 2008, 12:54 PM
I shoot 82 grains of FF (Graf's WANO) in Magtech-large pistol primers, Rockymountain Cartridge shells (standard SG 109 primers, and some paper ones. BP can be loaded once in once fired plastic hulls too. I use "circle fly" wads:nitro card fiber and over shot. Magtechs need oversized wads, the plastic or paper and High end brass cases (RMCC or Double hammer) do not. I use the top half of a white WAA wad, and either use hot glue or waterglass to seal the overshot card in. In my 2 guns I must use the shot cup or the pattern won't break clays. The brass shells are fire formed and will only work in the SG they have been fired in. The Magtechs are thin and will hold significantly more shot if a shot cup is used. If no shot cup is used there is lots of room in each type. Shoot on a breezy day if you want to see all the birds brake.

August 4, 2008, 09:44 PM
lots of useful stuff there.

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