UNDER $450 Semi Auto 9mm Range Gun ONLY


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1SOW
July 16, 2008, 04:21 PM
I have a friend who's looking for a 9mm range gun to play with. He wants CHEAP.
I,m biased toward CZ, so can I have some inputs from you shooters.
NO Debate! Low Price is important , 9mm, semi-auto, reliable, fairly accurate, range TOY!
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
It's for a Vietnam Vet with little pistol experience.

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gp911
July 16, 2008, 04:36 PM
The German police surplus Sig P6 is selling for $280-$350 most places and people who buy one tend to rave about them. German build quality at a bargain price, what's not to like?

gp911

BlindJustice
July 16, 2008, 04:38 PM
CZ 75B - find one over the counter it'll be close but it will
be reliable & accurate - great ergos, DA or SA cocked & Locked
with the 1911 style thumb safety. Later, consider the Kadet
.22 Conversion ket, consisting of a barrel, slide, recoil spring
and magazine.

I had to pay more for mine, after S&W and transfer because the
sporting goods store in nearby Idaho where it sells for about $450
won't do transfers. dang it. But the CZ 75B is worth it - great value
and quality.

Randall

Chrome
July 16, 2008, 04:38 PM
I'm definitely on the CZ bandwagon.

Later,
Chrome...

knicks118
July 16, 2008, 04:39 PM
Springfield XD9
Ruger P95
Taurus 24/7

Thernlund
July 16, 2008, 04:42 PM
I'm likein' the P6 idea from gp911. I think that'd be the way.


-T.

johnson_n
July 16, 2008, 04:58 PM
CZ 75B SA
http://czcustom.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=52&products_id=420&osCsid=8e38d7a01f1a5912b16bd3cbb2455078

or a used one

lions
July 16, 2008, 05:36 PM
Taurus PT92

camacho
July 16, 2008, 06:27 PM
For combination of reliability and price, it is hard to beat the Ruger P95. $300 delivered from Buds. Heck, it even has a light rail.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/18158.jpg

steelyblue
July 16, 2008, 06:30 PM
Stoeger Cougar + 500 rounds of ammo will come in at less than $450.

bluez4u
July 16, 2008, 06:36 PM
Another Vote for the Ruger P95

rantingredneck
July 16, 2008, 06:37 PM
Ruger P95 or P89.

RNB65
July 16, 2008, 06:38 PM
CZ 75B SA is the perfect low cost range gun.

possum
July 16, 2008, 06:52 PM
tyhe ruger p95 is a good buy and pretty cheap too. not cheap made though for sure. also look at a glock and xd service model, there are always deals out there on them even if he gets a used one.

jlangton
July 16, 2008, 06:59 PM
I'm with alot of the other guys here.. Ruger P89 or P95...either one will last,and will digest more ammo than your friend can afford without a problem. CDNN had the P95's in a decocker model for less than $300 recently..
JL

Bartkowski
July 16, 2008, 07:23 PM
P6's are great. Fairly accurate, reliable and cheap. They can still be found for under $300, and if your lucky around $260.

ANVILFIRE
July 16, 2008, 07:59 PM
Stoeger Cougar or CZ75B:D

tblt
July 16, 2008, 08:10 PM
ruger p95

rellascout
July 16, 2008, 08:14 PM
Fnp-9

$379 Plus shipping and transfer.

http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images/dynamic/m/FNM0047mb.png

Come with 3 mags and 2 back straps.

The P6 is a good gun but mags are in short supply. You will need to replace the springs to get a good trigger pull so ad about $30 to whatever you pay and you still have a used gun with no warranty support. For another $75 you get a more modern gun with a support and reasonable mags.

The CZ is a fine choice but they are getting more expensive by the minute. You will be hard pressed to find one OTD new for $450 these days.

PX15
July 16, 2008, 08:21 PM
JMOFartO:


S&W 6906....

Third generation, excellent reputation for durability, reliability, and very accurate..

CDNN is selling them NIB, with a LIFETIME warranty for $399.25. (all steel 5906's also). The 6906 is basically a double-stack 3913 which many agree is one of the best S&W semi's ever made. The 6906 has a standard 12+1 capacity, but accepts the 15rd 5906 mags (with filler)..

I have a 3913 I bought new in 1995 and it has never hiccuped once.. I bought one of the CDNN 6906's a few weeks ago and I'm very happy with it.

Smith & Wesson has as good a reputation for Customer Service as any manufacturer out there (and better than most). You can't lose getting a high quality 3rd gen S&W pistol, NIB, at these prices.

I was considering a Sig P6, but my understanding is that Sig P6's mfg prior to mid-summer 1989 are iffy about feeling jhps.. Most folks buying them seem to be changing out recoil springs, and the DA trigger pull is in need of help too.. And then again the fine P6 comes with zero warranty.

If you have the interest "google" S&W 5906/6906, or go to the S&W forum, (or any other firearms forum), and use the "search" feature and you will find the vast majority of folks who have these pistols are well pleased with them.

Just personal opinion.. Other's mileage may vary.

Best Wishes,

Jesse
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_9679.jpg

SureThing
July 16, 2008, 08:47 PM
FNP
Stoeger
CZ
Ruger P95
XD
Smith M&P at Buds is $439 shipped

357wheelgunner
July 16, 2008, 08:47 PM
I think that for a "range gun", the CZ75 is the best, by far.

Keeterbird
July 16, 2008, 09:04 PM
I have a P6, a Ruger P95, and a CZ75BD. I would be hard pressed to pick the best. The cZ is closer to the $450, but for $100 cheaper the P95 is hard to beat. I personally like the CZ, but I have no complaints about the Sig or the Ruger. Take your pick and shoot away.

1SOW
July 16, 2008, 09:10 PM
Thanks guys. I'll have him look at these suggestions and try to get him out to our next Saxet Gunshow for a little touchy-feely.
I'm a CZ fan and shooter, but like rellascout said, they are getting more expensive fast.

GZOh
July 16, 2008, 09:19 PM
I'm a CZer, have a bunch of 'em and love 'em... also own ONE 'poly' and it's an FNP-9... Great gun, great quality, zero problems... as rella said (and shown-pic) for $375+ its a 'no-brainer"... go for it, if you like the looks and want a 'big-gun' feel, buy it... you won't regret it!

rellascout
July 16, 2008, 09:22 PM
Maybe I am shopping at the wrong places but where are you guys buying NIB CZ 75B for under $450 OTD

BlindJustice
July 16, 2008, 09:32 PM
Do any of the non-CZ 75B have .22 LR Conversion Kit options?

DZL HOG
July 16, 2008, 09:33 PM
Rellascout,
Id like to know too.


I didnt know the FNH were made here in VA. Thats pretty cool.

The kadet kit fits the 85 series also.(according to the website)

Doogy
July 16, 2008, 09:40 PM
no question in my mind.

FNP-9 or FNP-40

Incredible gun, that can be had for under his price limit.

rellascout
July 16, 2008, 09:44 PM
I can remember the days of $350 NIB CZs but no more. The best prices I can find these days are $425+ shipping.

boalex207
July 16, 2008, 09:50 PM
New Ruger P95 or a new or pre-owned Smith & Wesson 3rd generation (5903, 5906, 6906, etc.)

I have both, and they fit the bill for what you're describing.

Back in January, I got the Ruger NIB, with a 3rd magazine, shipping, transfer fee, everything.............$ 281 from CDNN. This will fit your buddy's price tag with money left for a thousand rounds of 9mm FMJ.

As for CDNN, I've had a good experience with them. As have many others on here. :D

1SOW
July 16, 2008, 10:01 PM
I'm not familiar with the FNP-9.
How long is the barrel?

I'm recommending at least 4" and preferrably more for targets, steel and double tap work.

Thanks again for the responses.


rellascout I get a ret mil discount at Sportsman's Warehouse and can't get below $450.
The 9mm SPO1 might fit my budget though!

Rugerlvr
July 16, 2008, 10:10 PM
Ruger P-Series. Built like tanks, reliable, and quite inexpensive.

rellascout
July 16, 2008, 10:13 PM
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF002&gid=FNG001&cid=FNC01&mid=FNM0047

4" barrel.

Cool I did not know they gave a discount.

If that is the case you might look into Glock LEO dealer. They can set you up with a Glock 17 for something like $398 plus tax at a LEO/Military Dealer.

Rmart30
July 16, 2008, 10:13 PM
XD9 would get my vote......... you can find them new for under $430....used $350ish.

powwowell
July 16, 2008, 10:15 PM
I would like to echo the couple of questions about where I can get a CZ 75B for $450, OTD. Where?

I'm not disputing anyone, I just really want to know where. Anyplace in NC?

Larry

hoosier8
July 16, 2008, 10:21 PM
I may be mistaken by I have not seen one mention of the Bersa 9mm High Capacity. I bought one at the local gun show for $309 and it is the most accurate range gun I own. Most people think that, since it is not expensive, it must not be worth much. Very Japanese thinking. My experience is that it is an exceedingly good gun for the price. Google problems with this pistol and you will find zilch!

trashpickinman
July 16, 2008, 10:25 PM
Hi-Point C9. $155 MSRP NIB, though I have found them cheaper. Nothing fancy about them, but they do throw the lead down range.

esq_stu
July 16, 2008, 10:32 PM
HiPower clone like FEG/KBI. You can find them used under $250.

camacho
July 16, 2008, 10:44 PM
Fnp-9
$379 Plus shipping and transfer.

Outstanding gun, but I think you are quoting an old price. Rellascout, where did you get it for $379?

Come with 3 mags and 2 back straps.

If you buy an FNP until August 31st, you also get a free Shooters Pack (holster, double mag pouch, and training barrel) from FNH USA.
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/promos/pdf/fn_shooterspack.pdf

rellascout
July 16, 2008, 10:49 PM
No CDNN took delivery less than a week ago after shooting several. They are contract guns but are identical in every way to the commerical ones. Come with box, manual and 3 mags.

blkbrd666
July 16, 2008, 10:55 PM
I'm going to vote for the Stoeger Cougar(Beretta) because of the rotating barrel, which is boringly accurate like the Beretta Px4.

BlindJustice
July 17, 2008, 12:09 AM
Tri-State in Moscow ID had a CZ 75B for around $450 and the guys behind
the counter apologized they had a corporate policy of no transfers to
Out of state Rez, and I live 8 miles away, CPL holder in WA state....

oh well, I paid more but gave my local gunsmith/dealer a few bucks extra
so screw Tri-State.

Randall

moss590
July 17, 2008, 02:25 AM
my vote for the ruger p95 i love it (for a 9mm)

Tarvis
July 17, 2008, 11:50 AM
I'm in the same boat as the OP, but my budget is quite a bit smaller. I'm starting to think one of each; a P6, fnp-9 and a P95 is the way to go.

Storm
July 17, 2008, 02:01 PM
Third generation, excellent reputation for durability, reliability, and very accurate..

Amen to that. Third Gen Smiths (and some second Gen like the 645) can be had for a song right now either new or as police trade-ins. They are rock solid, and surprisingly accurate. They are way, way underrated and mostly unconsidered by shooters who are dazzled by all of the new bells and whistles currently being offered on today's flavor of the month "they'd put a rail on their grandmother if the could" techno-poppers. These guns get back to basics and get it done. I like new and improved also, but Smith got it right almost 20 years ago, and further back than that when you consider the Models 39 and 59.

Ohio Rifleman
July 17, 2008, 02:21 PM
I second the Hi Point. If it's just going to be a range gun and not for defense or CCW, then it'd do just fine. Your buddy would then have plenty of money left over for ammo and whatever other little goodies he wants.

woad_yurt
July 17, 2008, 02:42 PM
For $200 or so online, you can pick up a Norinco 213. These things are pure tack drivers, are very dependable and are extremely pleasant to shoot. I have one and wouldn't change a thing on it.

brighamr
July 17, 2008, 02:48 PM
You can buy a used XD9 with 2 factory mags, mag holder, gun holster and factory case for $375.


I bought one brand new in a commie state for $570, and still think it's a great gun.

wulfbyte
July 17, 2008, 02:56 PM
I've often thought about an inexpensive 9mm for casual range time, but I would think that a box full of magazines would be a nice thing to have too.

Of the many pistols mentioned in this thread, which have inexpensive, reliable, readily available magazines?

Headless
July 17, 2008, 03:02 PM
Wow, under 400$ for a BNIB 6906/5906 would be where i'd be at.

nalioth
July 17, 2008, 03:33 PM
I was considering a Sig P6, <snip> and the DA trigger pull is in need of help tooI'm really not sure what the problem is with the triggers in the P6.

It's a defensive handgun.

A heavy trigger pull is not out of line in a defensive handgun.

For Pete's sake, you only have to squeeze it once per firing session, after that, it's all single action.

woad_yurt
July 17, 2008, 03:41 PM
$16.50 for Norinco 213 mags anytime.

rellascout
July 17, 2008, 04:02 PM
I'm really not sure what the problem is with the triggers in the P6.

It's a defensive handgun.

A heavy trigger pull is not out of line in a defensive handgun.

For Pete's sake, you only have to squeeze it once per firing session, after that, it's all single action.

I think the 14 to 16 Lbs trigger is a bit much for a defensive gun. That can get you killed. Plus there are no mags in country right now. I sold off some extras to a few guys here but there are almost none available for under $50.

Plus the earlier guns do not like hollow points as a rule. To me that is 3 strikes against the P6. And I own a P225 so its not like I don't like the platform.

Spyvie
July 17, 2008, 04:08 PM
Of the many pistols mentioned in this thread, which have inexpensive, reliable, readily available magazines?
Ruger 9mm mags are available anywhere for about $16.

I have both a P95 and an FNP-9, with night sights on the FN. The Ruger is a great pistol, extremely reliable, and I have no reason to doubt that it will still be working like new long after I'm dead.

The FNP-9 on the other hand is simply one of the finest weapons I have ever owned. I paid $449 for mine almost a year ago. (the Trijicons were added later)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/spyvie/Pistols044.jpg

rellascout
July 17, 2008, 06:55 PM
Believe it or not I know where you can get a Beretta tutone 9mm 92FS for $420 shipped.

That is NIB. I would put that on the list too.

bestseller92
July 17, 2008, 07:22 PM
Ruger P95 -- the best value in a stone-cold reliable new 9mm handgun today.

JaxNovice
July 17, 2008, 07:23 PM
Rellascout, Tanners?

skinewmexico
July 17, 2008, 11:45 PM
I put a 17# spring in my P6, and the trigger is great now.

evan price
July 17, 2008, 11:46 PM
Sig P6 for $259. Get 'em while you can. For range use, two mags is plenty. and the trigger pull ain't that bad, if you've ever shot a revolver DA- there ya go.

S&W Sigma 9VE, new in box with either 3 or 4 mags depending on what S&Ws offer is du jour- $249 around here. Of course, also has a heavy trigger.

Ruger "P" series- used for under $300.

HiPoint C9- $150 new, two mags. Ugly, but they work, and lifetime warranty.

Smith 3913, or something like that, LEO trade for under $300.

Springfield XD9- can get 'em used for $350 if you look. (mine was).

Police trade Glock 19 or 17- they are out there for $350'ish, if surface finish is not something you are worried about.

KelTec P11- New, for under $300.

Bersa 9mm- new, around $325

Doogy
July 17, 2008, 11:48 PM
this is my .40, but the 9mm comes in the exact same size frame and barrel
(4"). A great gun, and I got it for $390 brand new!

http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/104130000/104130335/pix894851406.jpg

G-River Guide
July 18, 2008, 01:19 AM
SCP firearms is running an awesome special on the 9mm Sig Pro 2022 for $479 shipped with 3 mags. 600 rounds through mine now and i can tell you it's a true SIG. Agreed by many to be the most under-rated gun on the market. Great SA trigger. Very accurate. And if you're buddy is retired military, he qualifies for SIG's $50 rebate which will get you down under $450. Here's the deal. (still running as of july 08)

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/5941026621/p/1

jetrecbn
July 18, 2008, 06:41 AM
If i could do it over again, I would choose a CZ75 with trigger job over the P226. CZ's are awesome. If you want a polymer (new), look at the FNP or Steyr.

burningsquirrels
July 18, 2008, 09:01 AM
CZ... but $450 can buy you a lot of different guns.

rellascout
July 18, 2008, 09:50 AM
Tanners it is.

Phil DeGraves
July 18, 2008, 10:07 AM
I would go with a used 3rd gen S&W 5906 in the price range suggested.

Fozzy_Bear
July 18, 2008, 10:25 AM
Can't believe that nobody has mentioned the p92 yet.

you can get one surplus from any number of police departments and with the sheer numbers of them out there... they are easy to find any accessories you may want.

.

FEG
July 18, 2008, 06:14 PM
Maybe I am shopping at the wrong places but where are you guys buying NIB CZ 75B for under $450 OTD

CZs are still relatively inexpensive through the major stocking dealers like Bud's, Whittaker's, and Ghostholster (Angus).

http://www.whittakerguns.com/

These are his "internet" prices. You aren't paying sales tax, just shipping and transfer fees, so it will come in just over $450. He charges less for cash transactions. (The "internet" price reflects a 3%-4% increase to offset credit card company charges.) If you made arrangements to purchase via money order, it should come in right around $450 for a polycoat 75B.

That said, there have been some other excellent suggestions.

S&W and CZ magazines cost about $20, if you buy them from the right sources. Ruger mags are usually a little less. The FNP pistols have expensive mags, but they come with three. The Beretta/Stoeger Cougar may have cheap mags available from Mec-Gar (not sure).

burningsquirrels
July 18, 2008, 07:06 PM
CZ 75 B cal. 9 mm Luger, black polycoat, NO MAGAZINES - RSR ONLY $368.99

holy crap! what's RSR mean? i don't need no mags. just a plain ol' CZ in a plastic bag and bubble wrap is all i need! :)

FEG
July 18, 2008, 07:17 PM
holy crap! what's RSR mean? i don't need no mags. just a plain ol' CZ in a plastic bag and bubble wrap is all i need!

Theoretically, CZ doesn't have wholesalers. All of the guns have to be ordered from CZ-USA in Kansas City.

In reality, CZ-USA has used RSR as a wholesaler for some of their small production run pistols and "odd lots."

http://www.rsrgroup.com/

I would call to get the lowdown. I wouldn't be surprised if these are '96 Mils that had the magazines pulled so that the promotional guns could be sold with a 15 round magazine. It's probably something like that.

Obviously, you can get a 75B OTD for well under $450 if you went this route and bought 2-3 MecGar magazines.

Chortdraw
July 18, 2008, 07:18 PM
Check out the Bersa Thunder 9. I have one of these I use for a range gun. Very accurate and a great shooter. Shoots even getter than my SP.XD9 serv. You can't go wrong for the price.

burningsquirrels
July 18, 2008, 07:23 PM
oh man, that's a killer deal on a 9mm CZ-75!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

if they had that kind of deal on a compact, i'd be sleeping on the couch for buying it but it'd totally be worth it! :D

FEG
July 18, 2008, 07:30 PM
oh man, that's a killer deal on a 9mm CZ 75!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

If it is a military contract pistol, it is even a better deal. MY Turkish Mil is definitely the one pistol I truly regret selling. (My buddy won't even trade it back for the gun he gave: a 1954 Tula SKS.)

1SOW
July 19, 2008, 10:44 PM
Thanks to ALL for the recommendations and comments.
My friend NOW has an idea of cost and opinions from other shooters.
He's got the ball.

lee n. field
July 19, 2008, 11:09 PM
Under $400 there's a lot of choices. If it were me I'd be looking at a Ruger P89 or P95. New those should be in your range. Used, Glock or XD could probably be found under $400.

Prices in your market may vary from what you hear from Innernet gunboard pooled ignorance.

crabkiller69@gmail.com
July 28, 2008, 10:50 PM
Hello all. I have read alot of the threads here as a non-member and had to join so I could tell you all I picked up a CZ 75B in Eastern Wa. for $ 399 NIB last week. Love the pistol but have one issue. I bought it for use at uspsa matches and I've noticed that the mag will only eject about 1/4 inch.( It does not fall free. Can this be "fixed" by a gunsmith? If not I suppose I will have to buy another :D pistol.

burningsquirrels
July 28, 2008, 10:52 PM
rebend the magazine brake so it's flat and no longer rubs the magazine. look for the manual online and check the exploded diagram. some people don't want them to drop free, so they bend it at an angle in the middle to protrude and rub the magazine as it sits in the well, keeping it from dropping free. it's not an issue, it's just a setup preference by the previous user or by the factory.

FEG
July 28, 2008, 10:58 PM
I've noticed that the mag will only eject about 1/4 inch.( It does not fall free. Can this be "fixed" by a gunsmith?

http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=14713.0

doc2rn
July 29, 2008, 08:27 AM
I am with Rellascout and the others FNP.

crabkiller69@gmail.com
July 29, 2008, 12:22 PM
Thanks for the link and tips about the mag issue I'll try that this afternoon.

tacmedicp94
July 29, 2008, 05:49 PM
Another vote for the Ruger P series. Not the prettiest gun on the market. But they are built like tanks and will outlast your friends kids and probably their kids too.

aquapong
July 29, 2008, 05:59 PM
Used Glock, 92fs, or S&W 5906.

larry starling
July 29, 2008, 06:35 PM
Get a two tone Beretta M92fs for $399.99? Here is a link.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=105989118
I have purchased from them before great service.....:D

nambu1
July 29, 2008, 07:32 PM
Another vote for the Rugers. Great firearms that does not cost an arm and leg.

browningguy
July 29, 2008, 08:03 PM
EAA Witness Elite Match, sells for around $429 at the Houston shows. Absolutely the most accurate gun out of the box you will find short of $1k or more. Also has an excellent trigger out of the box.

The others mentioned are all ok pistols, but if you want to be really accurate this is the pistol. I also own and shoot 5 BHP's, CZ75B, Springfield XD 9 Tactical, and various others, none come close to the Elite Match in accuracy or trigger quality.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jcm9371/Pistols/WitnessMatch2.jpg

searcher451
July 29, 2008, 08:11 PM
For that money, I would fetch a Wather P5 from SOG. You will get an accurate and good-looking pistol with a long and storied history of reliable performance.

Walkalong
July 29, 2008, 09:30 PM
My under $450 9MM Range gun was $350 walking away. It is an old CZ. It is a great shooter and a lot of gun for the money. :)

Phonetic Diabetic
July 29, 2008, 10:23 PM
This thread had many of the guns I'm looking at as well, and doesn't help my cause in choosing which I want. Looking at the FNP9, S&W 5903, XD9, and Ruger P95.

XD-40 Shooter
July 30, 2008, 12:20 AM
I really like the Taurus 24/7 in the sub $400 price range, 17+1 capacity, good guns.

FEG
July 30, 2008, 03:55 PM
This thread had many of the guns I'm looking at as well, and doesn't help my cause in choosing which I want. Looking at the FNP9, S&W 5903, XD9, and Ruger P95.

What do you want to know?

Phonetic Diabetic
July 30, 2008, 05:39 PM
What do you want to know?

Nothing in particular really, I'm just trying to decide between them all. I can probably honestly say that whichever shop has the best deal and gives me a deal on a trade-in is the ones I'll look at harder.

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