Handgun alternative's in .45


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HeadlandRam
July 16, 2008, 07:45 PM
(I hope this has not been discussed but if it has, mods please lock it)

For a while I have been wanting a new .45 for myself but even though I love GLOCK,SIG and 1911 .45's I want something different. Does any one have suggestions?

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sparkyguy
July 16, 2008, 07:51 PM
I've always wanted a CZ 97b. Heard tons of great things about them and think they are cool as heck.
http://www.czusa.com/data/productimg/main043.png

Sistema1927
July 16, 2008, 08:24 PM
I know that this is the "bottom feeder" forum, but "something different" would be a S&W revolver in .45 ACP.

38 Super Auto
July 16, 2008, 08:40 PM
I'd look at the SW1911. Mine is a real shooter and it feeds everything I give it.

DRYHUMOR
July 16, 2008, 08:57 PM
I have a S&W 625 in 45 ACP. Shoots well. Hornady custom 185 gr JHP/XTP good round for defense. Lead wadcutters good practice round, no feeding problems as with an auto.

Vic303
July 16, 2008, 09:03 PM
XD 45 compact.

http://www.christiangunowner.com/images/xd45compside.jpg

gbelleh
July 16, 2008, 10:44 PM
Maybe one of the HK .45s

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/gbelleh/usp.jpg

NDN-MAN
July 16, 2008, 10:47 PM
Ruger makes one of the best out of box's 45's today. ( for the price ) Even got a military contract if I remember right.

Thernlund
July 16, 2008, 10:51 PM
I know that this is the "bottom feeder" forum...What'd you call me?! :scrutiny:


:D


-T.


EDIT: Back to the topic, how about one of these...

http://www.bondarms.com/gunCDlarge.gif

http://www.bondarms.com/

Rmart30
July 16, 2008, 10:59 PM
Ive got a S&W 4506, just bought a XD compact, and looked at a Ruger P345 today...... That ruger felt really good. It actually felt better than the XD i got. If they made it in a DAO Id have to have one.

wally
July 16, 2008, 11:07 PM
I vote for the Witness Elite Match 45. Its what the CZ97 should have been and is much better than you might expect for its ~$500 price.

--wally.

Tom Krein
July 16, 2008, 11:12 PM
The Glock 21 is a good choice if your hands are on the medium to big size.

The XD is another really good choice.

I have shoot the CZ and it shoots SMOOTH and very reliably!

The H&K USPs are also a great platform.

You have 4 really good full size choices right there!

Kahr also is in the .45 acp game if you are looking for a nice CCW package. One of my buddies swears by his!

Tom

HeadlandRam
July 16, 2008, 11:41 PM
My dad has a Glock 21 and I LOVE it!

I heard good things about XD too!

I am thinking on that CZ but that is ALOT of money

As for the HK same as above but It would be German on German crime (Well German on 1/4th German crime ;) and for some reason alot of people think I am Mexican? Damn farmers tan!)

I have not really hear anything on the Kahr.

Thernlund: That looks neat!

gtmtnbiker98
July 17, 2008, 03:20 PM
Sig P220R, Sig P220 Carry, Sig P220 Compact
M&P 45, M&P 45 Mid, and M&P 45 Compact
Glock 21/21SF, Glock 30/30SF, and a Glock 36

All great for the money.

BlindJustice
July 17, 2008, 06:00 PM
S&W Revolvers in .45 ACP
Note - they also chamber and fire the rimmed .45 Auto RIm
cartridge which does not require the full moon clip.
HKS 25M speedloaders can be used with .45 AR.

S&W 625 PC 5 1/4" BBl. - 45 oz.
Adj. rear sight, full underlug barrel

ANd two in the CLassic line... the front of
this N-frame is sculpted down some to make it look
like older versions both in the high 30 oz range
S&W 22 4" Bbl. - fixed sights and tapered
profile barrel resembles 1950 Military aka Model 26
S&W 22 "Model of 1917" 5 1/2" Bbl. and like the
M1917 it resembles has a lanyard ring on the butt grip.

325 TR - 4" Bbl. Thunder Ranch has light Rail,
Scandium frame and Titanium cylinder. 24 oz.

325 Night Guard 2 1/2" Bbl. Matte Black overall fijnish
Scandium Frame & Stainless STeel cylinder Cyl.& SLide
Extreme Duty rear fixed sight, Night Triitum dot front
Pachmayr rubber grip.

I have the 625 5" Bbll. no longer in prod. since 1/1/08
fun to shoot with lmanageable recoil for double taps.

Then there's the Auto Ordnance 1927A1

Semi-AUtoMatic version of the 1921 Thompson MG
10-, 30 rd stick mags, or a 50 or more drum mag.
Deluxe version has a front pistol grip, another has a
straight forestock and detach. rear stock.

R-

The Wiry Irishman
July 17, 2008, 06:06 PM
FNP-45

Its got all the stuff people love about plastic guns: light weight, large capacity (14 rnd standard of 45, and they make 15s) without having to deal with striker firing and the associated nerf-gun-like trigger most plastic guns have. Its accurate enough and pretty decent to shoot. Its no 1911, but what is?

Unfortunately, the only picture I have of mine:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/TNDS.jpg

ETA: If you look, you can find them for 525-550, they come with three mags AND the world's largest pistol case. Seriously, it could accommodate a cordless drill and multiple accessories.

weisse52
July 17, 2008, 06:25 PM
If you are looking for a .45 ACP then I still feel the 1911 has a proven track record. As many have stated, the original spec guns run without any problems. I carry one everyday.
If you are looking for something different then as has been suggested, make a list of the attributes that are important and then let that lead you.

Or, if you want metal frame the CZ 97b is affordable and seems to be accurate and reliable.

If you want Tupperware, the XD is also a proven design.

Those two I have shot and liked. I am hearing a lot of good things about the M&P, but since I have not personally shot one who knows. May be worth taking a look.

If you can find a S&W 25-2, then grab it and never look back.

357wheelgunner
July 17, 2008, 06:31 PM
If I wanted a non sig or 1911 .45, I'd get an H&K USP Compact in a heartbeat. It's the only .45 with that size grip and decent capacity, and you can carry it cocked and locked or double action hammer down.

Thernlund
July 17, 2008, 06:38 PM
I'd get an H&K USP Compact in a heartbeat... ...and you can carry it cocked and locked...

You do? Engaging the safety decocks it. :scrutiny:


-T.

357wheelgunner
July 17, 2008, 06:40 PM
There are many variations of the USPs, I forget how to decipher the codes right now. Some can be carried cocked and locked, some are DA only, etc.

Thernlund
July 17, 2008, 06:42 PM
Oh. Ok. Never heard that. None of mine do it.


-T.


EDIT: Oh crap. I think I'm an idiot. On my .40 I think it does do that. If you push it past the "safe" point then it decocks.

Ooops. I stand corrected. My apologies.

Boris Barowski
July 17, 2008, 07:29 PM
my USP expert goes up=safe, down=fire, keep pushing down=decock.

But it would be nearly impossible to overshoot the fire position under stress I think.

http://www.heckler-koch.de/HKWebText/detailPara/1925/135/4/21/244 for the USP trigger modes

PTK
July 17, 2008, 07:32 PM
The Wiry Irishman


Awesome custom holster. :D

ArmedBear
July 17, 2008, 07:33 PM
CZ 97 shoots very well IMO.

It's not small.

Thernlund
July 17, 2008, 07:51 PM
my USP expert goes up=safe, down=fire, keep pushing down=decock.

But it would be nearly impossible to overshoot the fire position under stress I think.

I agree. Aaaaaand... I'm stupid. :(


-T.

trekgod3
July 17, 2008, 08:04 PM
Try a Firestar
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/NicksGunPics/Star%20Firestar%20M45/IMG_1006.jpg

mongocaver
July 18, 2008, 12:38 AM
How about a Para Ordinance Warthog? 10 + 1 rounds in a very controllable package. Comes in stainless or black. Mine has been shot by about 9 different people and every one of them enjoyed shooting it and were accurate with it right from the start...

240SX
July 18, 2008, 07:35 AM
I've got a CZ97BD and HK USP Compact and they are both the tits! The CZ97BD is like accurate, shoots all day long, no jams ect...and I'm a CZ supporter so, there you have it.

My HK is my carry gun now that it's got'n damn hot. It's easy to conseal, accurate, great trigger, no jams (and I've shot it well over 500 rounds since I got it). So I can personally recommend these 2 guns.

I've heard the CZ97B is also a great
.45 ACP, and ever HK I've shot has been right on!

My 2 cents. Take it or leave it, it's all good!!!

jlh26oo
July 18, 2008, 07:42 AM
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/jlh2600/KAKP4544N.jpg



No, I'm just kidding. And I don't care if you ARE tired of Sigs (another P220)! :neener:

foghornl
July 18, 2008, 09:46 AM
P-90 or P-345 Ruger auto-loader
S&W and others have DA revolvers
Or a Blackhawk "Convertible" SA revo .45Colt and .45ACP cylinders {next up on MY wish list}

Ed4032
July 18, 2008, 09:49 AM
Two really great ones that often get over looked are the Bersa 45 and the Kahr CW45.

wheelgunslinger
July 18, 2008, 09:59 AM
Beretta Cougar and PX4 :)

OleCodger
August 20, 2008, 04:53 PM
Hey Wiry Irishman, I envy your "bed holster"!! Appears to be a very viable solution to an otherwise expensive alternative........makes me think of something that I'd "cobble" up here in Arkansas!!!!!!! You must have a degree in "Gunnery Holstering Technology"!!

Disaster
August 20, 2008, 05:05 PM
Hey Wiry Irishman, I envy your "bed holster"!! Appears to be a very viable solution to an otherwise expensive alternative........makes me think of something that I'd "cobble" up here in Arkansas!!!!!!! You must have a degree in "Gunnery Holstering Technology"!!

...and be unmarried or have a very understanding wife. My wife would shoot me with the .45 if she caught me adding that decoration to the bed. :-)

rocinante
August 20, 2008, 05:44 PM
I know I will get pelted with rotten tomatoes but I just got a Taurus Millenium Pro PT145 and it is a hoot to shoot. 11 rounds in a sub compact polymer 22 oz frame. You said different.

Bufford t. Justice
August 20, 2008, 09:09 PM
XD all the way/

Rod B
August 20, 2008, 10:25 PM
I really like my CZ97B.

I had a reputable gunsmith perform a trigger job, It shoots almost as good as my Colt GoldCup.

Here's a pic.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/rodblackburn/My%20guns/IMG_0211.jpg

Rmart30
August 21, 2008, 01:23 AM
I've always wanted a CZ 97b. Heard tons of great things about them and think they are cool as heck.


Looks like a nice gun...... I love my XD45 compact.... A Kahr is probably next on my list. The new Ruger felt good , if it only didnt have a safety on it..

bigmike45
August 21, 2008, 08:19 AM
Springfield XD45
Taurus PT-145
Sig P220ST
Sig P245
CZ97B

Just to name a few!!

Storm
August 21, 2008, 08:52 AM
S&W 3rd Gen 4516-1

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4758/sw4516vd6.jpg

S&W 645

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7343/img4119jo5.jpg

MMMike
August 22, 2008, 12:05 AM
FNP45

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii80/mmmike_photos/fnp45-04.jpg

jasonguerard
August 22, 2008, 12:15 AM
Taurus PT145
1911 type safety,(sorta) cocked and locked.
Cant beat the fact its got a single action trigger that if it FTF will restrike as a double action.
AND it feels great in the hand. 10+1 capacity should do.

bwavec
August 22, 2008, 02:55 AM
There are lots of HK's in .45:

The fairly new HK45 (developed for cancelled JCP trials) and HK45 Compact.

The mammoth HK MK23 SOCOM pistol.

The HK USP 45 Compact/CT, a good do it all choice.

The HK USP 45 (and it variants: Tactical {used by the Aussie SAS}, Elite, Match).

Josh Aston
August 22, 2008, 03:26 AM
Astra A75 is worth a look.

steveracer
August 22, 2008, 04:19 AM
S&W 4506 or 4566. Cheap, reliable, built like a tank, but doesn't feel like a Ruger. The 4566 is a very good carry gun for anyone over ~190LBS.

pistolero6869
August 22, 2008, 04:29 AM
Own a piece of history a world war II liberator single shot 45 acp

loop
August 22, 2008, 06:03 AM
I'll throw out my support for the EAA Tanfoglio Elite Match. It is what a CZ97 should be. They are so close the Tanfolio's model designation is the TZ97L.

Here's my reason. I've been shooting an excellent Kimber in IDPA for a bit more than 10 years. I was one of those guys who finished between second and fifth every match. I tried my Tanfoglio on a whim at one match and won. I followed that up with a streak of seven wins.

I went from just one of the guys at the area matches to the one to beat in CDP. The only difference was the gun.

I admit, I did a little work to it, but I do a little work to all my better guns. Before I ever shot it I replaced all the springs, added a titanium firing pin, changed the sights and had custom aluminum grips machined for it. I also replaced the mag springs, followers and base plates. But, I consider all those things to be basics that I do to any gun I may use in competition.

I have two pistols I will own the day I die. The Elite Match is one of them.

benderx4
August 22, 2008, 11:27 AM
Last month, I had the opportunity to trade a couple older SW revolvers that were taking up safe space for a HK Mark 23 SOCOM.

Never enjoy getting rid of a gun but I've got a bunch of Smiths and these were the "lesser" of my revolver collection.

Back to the point of this post: I'd read a bunch about the Mark 23 but until I got my hands on one, and shot one ..... holy sh*t, what a weapon! Amazing accuracy, very little felt recoil, wonderful ergonomics, and a cool factor off the charts!

Not for CCW, but the ultimate in home defense! 12+1 in 45acp! If you've got the bucks, IMHO there is not another 45 out there like it. Good luck in your search.

powermad
August 22, 2008, 07:22 PM
If I can hold out a bit longer this will be my next pistol.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m178/powermad69/FNM0123mb.png

I am just waiting on the FDE one to show up with a manual safety.
They have the black and the black and stainless ones out.
But I am holding out for the FDE one with night sights.
$660 with a shooters pack.

http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G47977

I have seen a few of the regular DA/SA ones on GB for as low as $400

panzer426
August 22, 2008, 07:40 PM
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=446&return=Y

jocko
August 22, 2008, 07:54 PM
pm45, just nothing else in its class.

Thernlund
August 22, 2008, 07:56 PM
^^^^ I've heard on more than one occasion from random folks that the Kahr trigger is like dragging chain over sandpaper (<--someone actually said that).

I guess not?


-T.

possum
August 22, 2008, 08:51 PM
when this question comes up i say the same thing everytime. give the ruger p345 a hard look, it is the cheapest handgun that i own but the most accurate.

Josh Aston
August 22, 2008, 08:54 PM
^^^^ I've heard on more than one occasion from random folks that the Kahr trigger is like dragging chain over sandpaper (<--someone actually said that).

I guess not?


-T.

I own three Kahrs and they have some of the nicest DA triggers I've ever felt. Even better than a competition tuned DAO S&W M15

Old School
August 22, 2008, 09:05 PM
My two favorites:

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/247L.jpg

http://www.px4storm.com/dati/ContentManager/images/px4/01.jpg

Ruger for CCW and PX4 for everything else.

CPshooter
August 23, 2008, 02:26 AM
Kahr triggers are really really smooth and light with a nice surprise break. A "chain over sandpaper" isn't a very accurate description of a Kahr trigger. The slide action on the other hand...not so smooth especially when it's new. They are just built too tight. I had all sorts of problems with my pm9 for what it's worth. Kahr makes well-built, quality pistols. The catch is you have to get one that works:)

Thernlund
August 23, 2008, 02:27 AM
Mm. Ok then. Just what I've heard. No personal experience.


-T.

Kind of Blued
August 23, 2008, 06:36 AM
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/admin/images/content/ta5.jpg
:neener:

Ops Officer
August 23, 2008, 10:01 AM
Several wheelgunners suggested their favorite S&W .45 ACPs if you want something different. I will not be an exception. You didn't mention the use, but I'll endorse the S&W N-frame .45 ACP. I own three S&W 625s, a 3", 4", and a 5" barrel and a vintage, but immaculate S&W 25. The sweetest trigger I have ever known is on my S&W Performance Center Jerry Miculek 625, 5" barrel. The gold bead front sight provides quick sight alignment even in dim lighting. I don't have to explain how accurate and reliable it is. And that would be true of the others as well.

Yeah, I could have suggested several semi-autos from SIG, H&K, and SA, but I have more fun with the S&W wheelies. But I warn you. Wheelguns can be habit-forming.

The Lone Haranguer
August 23, 2008, 10:55 AM
I've seen and heard;) good things about the Bersa Thunder.

I've heard on more than one occasion from random folks that the Kahr trigger is like dragging chain over sandpaper ...
I actually own:p two, and this is just not so.

Wiry Irishman, that's a rather ... unique (but functional) bedside holster. :cool:

Katana8869
August 23, 2008, 03:09 PM
I have a Ruger P345 and a now out of production P97. I can not say enough good things about them. They represent some of the best money I have ever spent on firearms. Both of them are as good or better than 1911 .45's that I have owned that cost 2x as much.

Janos Dracwlya
August 24, 2008, 12:34 AM
I don't own a .45 of any sort, but if I ever decide to get one, I have a short list of possibles, in no particular order:

EAA Witness
Sig-Sauer P-220
Smith and Wesson 4506 or 4566

I've owned or shot extensively similar guns (Witness .40 S&W, S&W 5906, Sig P-225 and P-226) to all of these, so I have confidence that any of them should suit me.

If I got a Colt-type gun, it would have to be one with a firing-pin safety, like a Series 80.

Just my two cents

loop
August 24, 2008, 06:10 AM
I own a lot of .45s. The one I shoot in IDPA or Bull's Eye is an Elite Match.

It is what every production .45 wants to be - dead on accurate, 100 percent reliable and priced right.

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