[Bunkster]

He's Chuck Handlon! He has a license to "teach" science in Rochester Schools! He's a "Peacemaker"!

http://www.semnpeacemakers.org/Images/chuck/chuck-with-leaves.JPG

Evidently sponsored by the Rochester School Board, Chuck lists his email as: Chhandlon@Rochester.K12.MN.US

For a little more info on Chuck, go to:
http://www.semnpeacemakers.org/conceal_and_carry_main.html

[tommytrauma]

Ahh yes, evolution in action. Advertised defenselessness.
And his shirt even matches his flowers.

Unfortunately, clueless a**holes like this are the norm in school systems. My kids are indoctrinated to be sheep via the school system on a constant basis. When my oldest was in fifth grade, she came home with the quote 'violence never settles anything'. The next day, following a conversation with me, she asked the quoted teacher "what does 'go tell the spartans' mean?" He didn't have a clue.

Spend time with your kids. Teach them how to defend themselves. Teach them when to defend themselves. Most importantly, teach them WHY to defend themselves.

[Henry Bowman]

Oh-oh. You can't wear a shirt with a picture of a gun on it in school! :what:



Blissninny.

[greyhound]

Oh Lord, I remember this dude from another chat board.

Please, please, please go check out the links.

For about a month, whenever I was having a hard time at work, I would go visit this thread and laugh like crazy!


I wanted to get one of those shirts and put it on my dog for when we're out and about...
:D

[Standing Wolf]

Get the "Carries No Gun Shirt"
Send an e-mail to SE MN Alliance of Peacemakers to order your shirt. They are $10.00.
They come in yellow, gray or white and in sizes medium, large and extra-large.
The shirts can be picked up at a SE MN Alliance of Peacemakers meeting or Chuck can ship them to you for an addtional fee.

Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites—and fashion outlaws into the bargain.

[Quartus]

mmmm. Color of the shirt looks about right....



The amazing thing is...

.....these idots are SERIOUS! :what:


Next time some gang wants your wife, just give them a BIIIIIG group hug instead! :)

:rolleyes:

[greyhound]

Sweet Jeebus, check out "About Us" on the SEMN Peacemakers website....I didn't notice it before but I am laughing so hard I'm crying!

Its 1968 all over again for those folks. God bless 'em, they think they are doing right, and that's OK here in the USA!

[Baba Louie]

greyhound,

It's called "Thinking Happy Thoughts" :rolleyes: and more often than not, it works... sometimes... maybe...

Bunkster, interesting first post.

I'm toying with the idea of helping them out by buying one and adding some fine print which reads "i lie a lot" :D, but I don't know... I feel the handgun should be the 73 P series Colt, not a 1911, so probably not for me. We are talking Peacemakers here right?

Too bad they don't make a tactical black tee shirt with a yellow racing stripe down the back. Then I'd have to buy one.

Adios

[KC]

:cuss: :fire:
I hate this drek. They are deliberatly stupid creatures who, if ever confronted by a serious danger, are probably going to be the ones that get a lot of innocent people killed. If you value a thing, act to defend that thing. If you fail to do so, do not be upset when another robs you.
How about we send them a new shirt logo? one that reads
"I am an unarmed left-wing nut job, who is grossly unprepared to self-protect. Rob, beat, molest and kill with impunity."
or
"Don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes. (...over the glare from their urine-yellow shirts)

They write:
"We will refuse to return the assaults, verbal or physical of the opponent."
(WooHoo! Free Target!!)
"We will protect opponents from insults or attack."
(How? Writing an unfriendly letter? Oh, wait, "Sign petitions that support peace and justice issues")
"Educate yourself and your friends about the issues associated with peace and justice."
(Pax Americanum, Justica Bellum.)


How about some nicer shirts that are less savory to the stuffed ones infesting our schools:

Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, that here obedient to their order we lie.
(And then on the back, there is a brief primer on the Peleponesian War, who the Spartans were, why the Persians were invading, etc."

SAC: "War is our profession--Peace is our product."

"To maintain peace, prepare for war."
(Crowell, Harold G. "Wind Down to Wind Up, 1945-1950." 1972)

or the more popular and poetic
"To secure the peace is to prepare for war"

""We hear that there are tumults and riots in Rome, and that voices are raised concerning the army and the quality of our soldiers. Make haste to reassure us that you love and support us as we love and support you, for if we find that we have left our bones to bleach in these sands in vain, then beware the fury of the legions."

[vmi93]

I looked at their site. It is so idiotic and fits so well with our stereotypical view of the anti self defense movement that it looks like a parody. Maybe it's me but some of the "protest photos" look a little photoshopped to me.

Could they have found a more rabbit-like spokesperson? Could they try for some more inane slogans on their signs?

IS there anyone from MN who can verify that these kooks are for real?

[4570Rick]

Just checked out the semnpeacemakers web site.:uhoh:

Does anyone make a disinfectant for browsers?:what:

[KC]

Oh wow, they have a whole friggen page devoted to Howard Zinn. If these cretins are faking it, they are making a convincing effort.

[Don Gwinn]

"The nonviolence path holds no guarantees of success. But then neither does violence. Nonviolence guarantees only one thing. You do not spend the rest of your life asking that most agonizing question: Did I do the right thing when I pulled the trigger? Instead, you tell yourself with assurance that you did what you could to break the cycle of violence. The more the forces of violence repress you, the more certain it is that you are breaking that cycle."

Uh huh. Of course, there's also this to think about:

"The warrior's path holds no guarantees of success. But then neither does pacifism. Acting as a warrior guarantees only one thing. You do not spend the rest of your life asking that most agonizing question: would my family still be alive if I had shot that psychopath instead of asking him to sign a nonviolence contract? Instead, you tell yourself with assurance that you did what you could to keep the people you love safe. The more the forces of pacifism despise you, the more certain it is that you are doing just that."

In other words, if your test of your philosophy is whether you can "tell yourself that you did the right thing" then rejoice! Your philosophy can never fail that test. None ever could. Any moron can rationalize his actions and claim to be convinced that he did the right thing.


What this goober forgets is that both violence and nonviolence are part of life. His path leaves him one options--he can only follow the path of peace. That's admirable, but what will he do if he finds he was wrong and that nonviolence is both dangerous and immoral in some situations? He won't have the option of using a firearm, that's for sure.

I, on the other hand, can easily admit the possibility that I'm wrong about this and acknowledge that nonviolence will often be better and more moral than violence. I can do that because, if the time comes for nonviolent resistance, I simply leave my gun in its case and do it. If, however, violence is required, I have retained the option of engaging in it.

If shooting anybody stupid enough to lay a violent hand on my sons makes me part of the cycle of violence, so be it, but my sons are not going to suffer because their father chose to be a coward. :rolleyes:

[BowStreetRunner]

wow, that drivel on that website was amazing
i am now inspired to wash myself from head to foot just for looking at it


for example this quote:

"Nonviolence guarantees only one thing. You do not spend the rest of your life asking that most agonizing question: Did I do the right thing when I pulled the trigger? Instead, you tell yourself with assurance that you did what you could to break the cycle of violence."

well Mr., if you dont pull the trigger you might not have a rest of your life......but if you want to trust to luck be my guest...i sleep better at night knowing i can defend myself.....if he sleeps better at night knowing he cant, or wont, his choice
BSR

[jimpeel]

The yellow shirt hides the stripe down the back.

[slacker]

When I first saw the picture I thought it was a joke! A little photoshopping for our entertainment maybe? Haven't people been joking about unarmed victim shirts and signs for years?

[Wildalaska]

The shirts have their uses..

Buy one, put it on, tuck a few hundred dollar bills half out of your pocket, BHP strong side, Defender MOB and take a stroll into a bad neihborhood..

Naaaa

WildcamoAlaska

[jimpeel]

SOA NON-VIOLENT COMMITMENT

When enemy forces land upon our shores, we will bring a round table and chairs to negotiate our surrender.

[S_O_Laban]

That pic sure looks photoshoped to me. :scrutiny:

[erikm]

That pic sure looks photoshoped to me.
Maybe someone should Photoshop it some more. Change the text round the logo to read "CARRIES NO GUN * ROB ME *" or something like that.

Cheers,
ErikM :evil:

[ojibweindian]

He looks french. Probably smells french, too.

[XLMiguel]

Actually, violence can solve most anything, though usually not the ideal solution. That's kinda why it should be the last resort.

[MrKandiyohi]

The site also sells men's briefs - color yellow. These have a different slogan "contains no gun". :)

[greyhound]

There used to be a section of the site where those fun loving Peacemakers photoshopped good ole Chucky into Pres. Bush's place for the aircraft carrier speech.

Those wacky leftists and their fun and games!

Seriously though, remember this guy is a teacher. Though I'm sure he presents a balanced view of the world to his student, not just one idealogy.:banghead:

[Airboss]

I want one of these Shirts,but I am afraid of geting charged with shooting over a Baited Field

[Partisan Ranger]

If a guy wants to wear that shirt, who am I to stop him? It's natural selection at work. I only hope for the sake of his family that he stays out of the hood in the late hours.

[Soap]

People like that can wear whatever they want...but what really makes me angry is that they expect other people like LEO or military to do violence for their safety.

[Duncan Idaho]

The site also sells men's briefs - color yellow. These have a different slogan "contains no gun". Looks like Mikey Moore may be wearing a pair that chafe. :)

http://www.semnpeacemakers.org/Images/michael-moore.gif

[eoR]

Yeah Chuck, gun control works.

http://www.boernenet.com/users/dcoryell/pictures/nogun1.jpg

[jimpeel]

How can that pic not be Photoshopped? Look at the size of those leaves behind him! They're the size of Elephant Ears. Those would be the largest Ivy leaves I have ever seen or this guy is a Leprechaun about 18" high.

Of course those COULD be hops leaves the stalk of which has been grafted onto a Hemp root to make some of that really donomite stealth weed that causes these guys think this way.

[Quartus]

People like that can wear whatever they want...but what really makes me angry is that they expect other people like LEO or military to do violence for their safety.



I really don't mind that. That's what we pay the police for.

What I REALLY don't like is that they want to make ME adopt THEIR lunacy at the point of those same police guns!


:fire:

[DRC]

Granted there are entirely too many things on Handlon's page that don't add up, but I found this particularly intresting.

"Firearm-related deaths (in 2000)

United States 30,419 11.30 per 100,000
England and Wales 159 0.30 per 100,000
Germany 1,201 1.50 per 100 000
France 2,964 5.00 per 100,000"

The discrepancy between the numbers of the US and France. The number of deaths in the US is 15 times greater than that of France and yet the number per 100,000 is just a little under 1/2 the total of the US. I'm trying to make the number equate and I'm not having any luck. Could someone else shead some light on this or am I just reading it wrong?

Take care,

DRC

[greyhound]

Could someone else shead some light on this

Nope, nobody probably can. Its probably some number they picked out of the air that includes suicides, police shootings, self defense, etc, etc for the U.S., but not for the other countries. Same garbage HCI, Brady, MMM uses to float their propaganda. I've heard if you take out drug related shootings we're only a tad above the others, offset by us having a lower rate of other violent crime such as muggings (gee, could it be because in 35(?) states people are "given" the "priviledge" by the authorities to protect themselves?).

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics."

I think if I didn't have the High Road to vent, I'd probably just spontaneously combust!:D

[Iain]

How can you take 'drug related shootings' out of it and then claim that it would be a figure just above the European figures?

If you took the european 'drug-related' shootings out of the equation (to be fair) then where would that leave us?

In the brief period of research I did the other night I discovered that the 'arms smuggling' into the UK was/is largely a result of drug gang 'turf wars'.

[MeekandMild]

Somehow I think a picture of a jar of vasaline would be a better logo.

[Sven]

I think it would be great if someone started a sincere dialog with this guy, and posted the results here. Ask about the Photoshopped photos, etc.

More fun, though, is taking people without impressions to the range (kids, or open minded friends) and de-mystifying the whole thing.

[DigMe]

I think it would be great if someone started a sincere dialog with this guy, and posted the results here. Ask about the Photoshopped photos, etc.

The only part that is obviously photoshopped is his "photo essay" on going to see Bush. This is obviously photoshopped because it's a parody. That is where the picture in front of the giant leaves comes from. So please don't email him and get confrontational about the photoshopping because you'll look like a real idiot.

I think a good dialog is a good idea though if someone has the time and patience. This guy is a real sheep and my guess is he's taken with all the attention and power he now has as the leader of this group. People are so clueless.

brad cook

[greyhound]

On the other gun board, somebody knew this clown (apparently his wife is the pastor(?) of some church.) Said he's basically a harmless do-gooder, leave him alone any he'll eventually move on to the next "cause of the month".

[geekWithA.45]

Yeah, let's leave him alone and see if he moves along.

OTOH, "harmless do gooders" have brought us much grief:

-Prohibition (alcohol)
-Prohibition (non alcohol)
-Prohibition (frightening firearms)
-"The New Deal"
-Socialism
-Anti Human Environmentalism
-Political Correctivism

The list goes on and on.....

[CleverNickname]

Maybe someone should Photoshop it some more. Change the text round the logo to read "CARRIES NO GUN * ROB ME *" or something like that.

I wear one of these (http://www.libertyoutlet.com/store/itemdetail.html?detailid=2) to my IDPA club every once in awhile. Good for a laugh or two. :D

[igor]

They conveniently don't mention Finland's rate of firearms violence in their "study"... more guns most certainly don't equate more violence, it's a cultural thing.

[WAGCEVP]

I'm glad he's proud to wear his

[B] "I'm an unarmed victim" [/
t-shirt.

I wish more anti self defense folks would wear that tag...... It'd sure make the criminals job a lot safer and easier.
Unfortunately, most ASDF don't have the balls to 'put their money where their mouth is".

:evil: :evil: :evil:

[greyhound]

Unfortunately, most ASDF don't have the balls to 'put their money where their mouth is".

You know, I have savaged this guy across two gun boards, personally resurrecting the thread when it was about to die, but WAGCEVP you have just made a great point-

Unlike most leftists who advocate that things should apply to everyone but themselves, this guy at least has the conviction to practice what he preaches.

I have no doubt that, misguided as he is, he actually wears his "Carries No Gun" shirt proudly out in public.

He's still an idiot, albiet a principled one!

[WAGCEVP]

next time I get a "hatemail" , I think maybe instead of wasting time arguing my RIGHJTS , I 'll uh just send them the URL Clever nickname had

http://www.libertyoutlet.com/store/itemdetail.html?detailid=2


and ask them to please "put your money where your mouth is" , order a t-shirt and show your pride in not being a gun owner.

:evil: :neener: :D

[WAGCEVP]

I agree he's an idiot, but this IS America and it IS his right to be an idiot and if some day he happens to become a dead idiot because of his principles, weeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllll .....


:D :p :cool: ;)

[hillbilly]

Here's an email I sent to Mr. "Carries No Gun."

hillbilly




I just saw your web page with the photos of you in the "Carries No Gun" T-shirts, and I just wanted to say thank you!

Thank you for your courage.

I mean, it takes a lot of guts to wear a shirt that announces to every single mugger, car-jacker, serial killer, rapist, street thug, and violent predatory criminal that you are a completely defenseless target, incapable of resisting attack.

Not only are you completely defenseless against such scum, you willingly choose to be so even in a state wherein it is legal to carry one of the most effective means of portable self-defense developed by mankind.


I also want to thank you for another reason.

By wearing a shirt announcing to the predators of the world that you are defenseless, especially a shirt in such a bright color, you make it much more likely that the serial killers, rapists, muggers, car-jackers and thugs will notice and then choose you as prey, and not others.

I mean with all your intelligence and courage, I think it is far better that you willingly subject yourself to the attention of such scum.

Some other mere mortal might actually think his own life was worth defending against predatory criminals and might actually cause damage or even death on those poor lost predators.

Such poor lost souls are obviously resorting to assault, rape, murder, and aggravated robbery because of the socio-economic violence inherent in a Western, white-male dominated capitalistic system.

I mean after all, it's not their fault that they choose to be murderers, rapists, muggers, car-jackers and street thugs, is it?

And finally, I want to thank you for another benefit which you have probably failed to think of, despite your obviously higher developed planes of intelligence and courage.

Thank you for creating quite possibly the perfect cover shirt for those of us who do choose to be equipped to defend our lives, our homes, and our families.

A "Carries No Gun" shirt in bright yellow is just the thing to wear over a concealed handgun. It is quite possibly the perfect concealment clothing.

I figure if I carry my piece in one of those black and pink Million Mom March fanny packs for sale on another web site, and match it with one of your yellow shirts, no one would ever even suspect that I was armed and ready to defend my life.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[MeekandMild]

I figure if I carry my piece in one of those black and pink Million Mom March fanny packs for sale on another web site, and match it with one of your yellow shirts, no one would ever even suspect that I was armed and ready to defend my life.

Billy, why don't you do it right and carry a bottle of Ripple, a sack stuffed with dollar bills and a couple of bags of pork skins around with you too? Around here the game warden would catch you with that shirt and by the time they were finished they'd have your gun and your truck. Hunting in a baited field really ticks them off to no end. I don't know you'd have any defense, it's like setting up your deer stand on a sack of corn.

[Zak Smith]

From http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10.html


2000, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, All Ages
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,Y35.0

Number of Deaths Population Crude Rate Age-Adjusted Rate**
28,663 275,264,999 10.41 10.38


Using the "age adjusted rates" (the last number) for breakdown purposes: 3.91 of those are homicides, 0.1 of those are legal intervention, 6.01 of those are suicides, 0.28 of those are unintentional (accidents), and 0.08 of those have "undetermined intent."

Hard data rules.

-z

[Nightfall]

Nonviolence guarantees only one thing.

That you'll have to stand by and wait for the cops if your house is broken into by anybody with violent intents? That you'll be explaining to your family why it's morally upstanding of them to not resist the gang bangers who are robbing/raping/murdering them?

I admire you. You've defied natural selection all these years. How do you do it?