D/A .22 revolvers


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Seafarer12
July 19, 2008, 10:24 PM
Hey Guy,
Does anyone besides Smith and Taurus make a DA .22 LR revolver? I am thinking about getting rid of my Single Six and MK 2 and replacing it with a single pistol. A 9 or 10 shot DA pistol would be the best of both worlds. I would like a Smith but have a hard time shelling out 600 for a 22 pistol especially for like 10 bucks more I could get a 686. The Taurus' are half the price but it is a Taurus. Anyone have anyting to say about the Taurus .22 lr?
Thanks.

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Shade00
July 19, 2008, 10:29 PM
Umm... Ruger did make a few SP101s in .22 LR. Other than that, I can't think of many other options - the only thing I have to say about the S&W is even if you do pay $600, it'll be a $600 investment well-spent and it'll last you a lifetime (or more). I do plan on getting a S&W K-frame .22 LR sooner or later, but I've only got J-frames right now. That includes a 22/32 kit gun which is a joy to shoot. I paid about $350 for mine. It is in pretty decent shape cosmetically, and perfect shape mechanically. If you can 'settle' for a 6 shooter, then there are plenty of used S&Ws out there to fit the bill, and you'll pay far less than $600.

arsuf
July 19, 2008, 11:38 PM
I 2nd that, $600.00 is not too much to spend on a good .22 revolver, it will probably get more use then the rest of your handguns combined and is well worth the expense. On other option though only used is a H&R sportsman or 999, top break 9 shot double action.

Shade00
July 20, 2008, 01:39 AM
You know what, I forgot about the H&Rs. I guess the top-breaks might not be so bad, but the only H&Rs I've run into recently are the 622s and 922s - neat little gun, but having to remove the cylinder completely every time you need to reload could get to be a pain for extended sessions. However, H&Rs are very affordable; on the order of $150 or less for a good example of a 922.

woad_yurt
July 20, 2008, 02:33 AM
I find that removing the cylinder to unload (there is a central extractor so it unloads with one push) is much quicker than unloading one by one a la SAA style.

Shade00
July 20, 2008, 04:06 AM
You're right about that, but I favor a hand ejector over either of those choices.

Seafarer12
July 20, 2008, 11:20 AM
Thanks Guys,
I am more inclined to get a newer pistol. I was at a show yesterday looking at a slick little Iver Johnson top break 22. But once I got to looking at it is was pretty worn. It was loose and had been dry fired quite a bit. I was also looking around and had forgotten about Smith 63's they are a little cheaper than the 617's. I will just have to go to a gun store and see which one feels better. I just lean towards the 617 because I have a model 19 so it would just about feel the same except for a little extra barrel weight.
I will have to get my Rugers sold first before I buy anything unless I find a killer deal.

Shade00
July 20, 2008, 12:04 PM
Seafarer12, if you must buy new, then your options are going to be pretty much limited to S&W or Taurus. And to me, there's really only one choice.

Both the 63 and 617 are very cool guns. You are lucky if you have a store that has them both in stock - my local stores never have either. :( I don't believe you can go wrong with either one; it boils down to whether you want a J- or K-frame and how many shots you are ok with. Put them both in your hands and choose from there. Don't feel bad about the price tag, as you're saving money in the long run on ammunition. ;)

critter
July 20, 2008, 12:35 PM
High Standard double 9's, HS Sentinals, etc.

woad_yurt
July 20, 2008, 12:55 PM
What Critter said. Double Nines are great. Want a perfect one w/no wear? Buy this and watch the value appreciate:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=104978574

BTW, looking at a worn Iver Johnson at a gun show shouldn't turn one off from looking for others. Shop around online, there are many nice, nice ones available. I'm a big H&R and Iver fan and these guns are priced very nicely still. Some folks shun them because they were common. But, common wouldn't be common if people weren't satisfied with them; they wouldn't have sold so many.

22-rimfire
July 20, 2008, 01:17 PM
Does anyone besides Smith and Taurus make a DA .22 LR revolver? I am thinking about getting rid of my Single Six and MK 2 and replacing it with a single pistol. A 9 or 10 shot DA pistol would be the best of both worlds. I would like a Smith but have a hard time shelling out 600 for a 22 pistol especially for like 10 bucks more I could get a 686.

This is a common misconception with double action 22 revolvers. It costs the manufacturer just as much to make the quality 22 as a 357 or whatever. It is always beyond my understanding why people think a quality 22 should cost less. Ammunition is a lot less and you'll probably shoot it 10x as much as the centerfire.

I would forget about Taurus. Forget about H&R's, Charter Arms, and the Ruger SP101. The Smiths and Colts are just so much better overall. What happened for me is I shot a H&R a lot for a coupe years. Then I shot a couple Colts and it became very clear that I was putting up with very poor triggers, average accuracy, and lots of burnt powder and lead fragments for a couple $100's at the time. With inflation, add more $$ to make up the difference, but the preformance is generally the same for the lesser quality double action revolvers. Never shot the H&R again after getting my first Colt. It sat for 4-5 years until I figured I would never shoot it again, so I dumped it.

I was looking at a new Model 63 Smith; 8 or 10 shot and 5" barrel. The grips were a bit small for me, but I like the gun and the trigger was much better than I expected on a J-Frame. Take a look at it. Yes, $600ish.

I really like the 4" Smith 617 also. Nice revolver!

Bought a Model 17 and Model 18 Smiths last year. They're good. Don't have a Model 34. You can still find good ones but the price has been climbing steadily as the retail price of the other Smith's climb.

I'ver heard that some of the old Dan Wessons were good, but are hard to find. Never shot one, but have handled them.

Buy a quality double action and it will last you a lifetime and more. Buy junk and you'll be replacing it in two years.

My only other thought is why do you have to "get rid of" your Ruger Single Six and Mark II? Both are very good 22's. The more the better as you can take a friend shooting.

Alternatives? My only alternative is a Colt. My choice would be a 4" Diamondback. Price is a bit more than the Smith's however. Still worth the price at $1000. The Colt Trooper Mark III costs less and is still a very very good 22 revolver. It is a lot heavier than the D-frame Diamondback, but is very good.

CajunBass
July 20, 2008, 01:59 PM
You could look for a Dan Wesson too. They're good. Big...but good.

MCgunner
July 20, 2008, 02:36 PM
Taurus's DA is stiff, pretty much a given. I don't care, personally, cause it ain't a self defense piece and I'll shoot SA mostly anyway. I have a Rossi 511 Sportsman stainless kit gun, accurate little bugger. They don't make 'em anymore. Got this one no paperwork at a gun show for $200.

Considering the price, I'd rather have a new Taurus than a new Smith. However, seeing as I don't give a flip for DA in a .22, I'd also consider a Ruger single six or bearcat if it were ME lookin'. I'm quite happy with my Rossi, though, and my Mk2 Ruger.

I think Freedom Arms still chambers .22, but talk about big and high priced! I wouldn't buy a Smith because of price, personally, no way, no how. New Smiths are junk anyway compared to the old K22. If you're going to buy junk, get a price break at least. But, then, the little Rossi shoots just as accurately as any K frame .22 I've ever fired, believe it or not, just doesn't have the smooth DA, but who the hell cares about DA in a .22? You gonna shoot that 25 yard rabbit DA? :rolleyes: I can still reload .38 for about 2 dollars to 2.50 a box of 50. Last box of mini mag I bought was 6 bucks for a hundred! Jesus, I can't afford to shoot .22s! ROFL! Well, the Federal bulk pack is still pretty cheap.

Or, there's the NAA mini master.

Seafarer12
July 20, 2008, 07:34 PM
I have to get rid of them because If I get a DA 22 it will fill the place of the two guns. I don't need a whole lot of guns. Both of them have things I dont like and like about them and an 8 to 10 shot da would be the best of both worlds. I like the single six because of its ability to shoot anything I feet it. What I dont like about it is SA only, slow reloading and 6 shots. What I like about the MK2 10 shots, semiauto. What I don't like about it, it won't eat anything I feed it. A DA would give me 8 to 10 shots, no cocking the hammer unless I wanted to, would eat whatever I fed it, fairly quick reloads.

22-rimfire
July 20, 2008, 09:36 PM
One 22 revolver; I would want a 4" 617 unless you are backpacking with it and weight becomes a major issue. It's a first class gun as you know and will shoot any 22 ammo (not WMR). By the way, I wrote 8 or 10 shot because I didn't remember what it held. That has never been that important to me.

icecorps
July 21, 2008, 10:57 AM
Ruger used to make a nice .22 SP-101, and you can still find them on the used market. Only 6 shots, though.

PzGren
July 21, 2008, 12:01 PM
There is also the Korth, which is still manufactured. The new ones are a bit nicer looking than my old beater.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/Gripsstippled001.jpg

By the way, my MkIIs are both very reliable and work well with bulk ammo.

Seafarer12
July 21, 2008, 01:04 PM
Thanks guys, I have another store to check out but I went and looked at a few 617's 4 and 6 inch. They are a nice gun. I tell you S&W finish quality has really gone down over the years. I am sure mechanically it is a fine gun but the finish wasn't the greatest. Also for 650 you figure S&W would wipe the gun off after they test fire the gun. The shop had just gotten the guns in from S&W and hadn't had a chance to go through them yet. I would still like to try to find a 63 to compare but the price diff. isn't very much.

Timthinker
July 21, 2008, 05:32 PM
Seafarer12, the best mass produced DA .22 revolver is the Smith 617. I test fired a friend's 617 some years ago and considered it the best .22 revolver I had shot. Make no mistake, it is light years ahead of Taurus in terms of reliability and finish. Now, Korth manufactures an outstanding .22, but it is a customized piece as its price and availability indicate. So, if I decide to purchase a .22 revolver in the near future, it will be a Smith 617.

Perhaps the following might help you to decide upon a .22 revolver. Seldom am I dogmatic about the virtues of a single handgun. This is one exception to my rule. That is how high I esteem the 617. I hope this ringing endorsement helps.


Timthinker

rich0372
July 21, 2008, 06:04 PM
I liked the 17 better than the 617 plus if you already have the model 19 the 17 is it's little brother. Plus I'm a sucker for blued revolvers. :) I bought my 17 for $325 in very good condition.

Seafarer12
July 21, 2008, 09:50 PM
I made it to another store that had the 617 and the 63. If I get one it would be the 617. The 63's grip isnt worth a darn. It was only 50 bucks cheaper. I would spend that getting a grip that made it feel like the 617. I will look into the 17's too.

cerberus65
July 21, 2008, 10:22 PM
I was recently in the market for a .22 DA/SA revolver. I was amazed at how hard it is to find a good one. In the end I decided on a used S&W model 34 (a j-frame). It was a lot cheaper than the new ones and as a bonus it doesn't have the internal lock. And I've found it goes to the range with me just about every time I go.

22-rimfire
July 21, 2008, 10:37 PM
Can't disagree with you about the grips on the Model 63. I would have probably bought some larger pachmayr's to make it more to my liking (at least to start and then looked for some nice wood grips). What really surprised me about the gun was the trigger. Not too bad for a J-frame 22. It was a little gritty, but should smooth out. Put snap caps in it and gave it a work out.

That is one thing about stainless steel guns, it does not bother me to handle them or to buy one that people have handled. Maybe others feel differently.

The Smith Model 17's and Model 18's are superb if you want a blued gun which I prefer. There were also nickel plated ones too. You know of course that they have 6-shot cylinders.

Seafarer12
July 22, 2008, 10:20 PM
Thanks for all the info. Well I ended up getting a 617 with a 6 inch barrel. I was going to hold off but this was a good deal. It is just about new and will cost me a total of 500. I figure it saved me 200 buying local and 125 over Buds. Now I just need to get those other pistols sold before the credit card comes due.

Shade00
July 22, 2008, 10:24 PM
Very nice deal. You're certainly going to enjoy it. I've been entertaining getting rid of one or two of my guns to get a new S&W 63 or 617.

Tom Krein
July 22, 2008, 10:39 PM
I REALLY like my 8" Dan Wesson with Zebra wood grips! It shoots fantastic!

I would like to find a 4" barrel some day...

Sounds like you got a nice little S&W, enjoy!

Tom

ctgmi
July 23, 2008, 02:47 PM
Sure to ruffle a few feathers here but I happen to have a S&W 617 and a Taurus Tracker .22 both 6 barrels. The finish on the Smith is slightly better but the Taurus I have has a vastly smother trigger. Ever since I picked up the Taurus last year the Smith is doing nothing but taking up space in the safe.

Shade00
July 23, 2008, 03:07 PM
Heresy! A Taurus could NEVER have a better trigger than a Smith!

ctgmi
July 23, 2008, 03:38 PM
It's true; at first I really question it myself and then used to bring both out for others to use and evaluate. Everyone that compared the two agreed the Taurus was a better shooter due to a smoother trigger.

I forgot to mention both revolvers have never been opened up and are the way they came from the factory.

Seafarer12
July 25, 2008, 11:44 PM
Well I will let you know how the Smith is. My Taurus wasn't a bad gun but not like what they are designed after. I also got my two pistols sold so everything is good in the world till I decide to buy another gun.

tinygnat219
July 26, 2008, 11:42 PM
I had a Taurus 94 in Stainless Steel. The dang gun started misfiring on me after the first cylinder full, even WITH that stiff DA trigger. Took the sideplate off, and found metal shavings in the action. Blew them out with compressed air, and re-oiled.
It worked for a bit, but then the action started binding. Turns out there were a lot more shavings in there that I didn't get, or new shavings appeared.

Sent it to Taurus, they fixed. I sold to someone else.

Taurus revolvers are junk. Save your money and get a Smith.

smith627
July 28, 2008, 08:55 PM
Seafarer12, I'm sure you will like your Mod 617. A .22 revolver is my favorite handgun to shoot. I have other centerfire revolvers but the .22 is my favorite, and my wife's. My first revolver was a H&R Mod 999 9-shot break-top. I think I bought it new for $60 in 1970. Then I decided I wanted better quality and sprung for a new S&W Mod 17 6in. for $135 in 1975. I still have it, but I like stainless so I got a M617-6 6in. 10-shot in 2002 for around $500. Both guns seem to have the same fine accuracy. I had a .500 target trigger installed on the M17 and the action smoothed a bit. I had Clark Custom Guns do an action job on my M617 and it's almost as good as a centerfire Performance Center action. Also it's never had a FTF due to a light hammer fall. Clark's guaranteed the work and it's a pleasure to shoot. The Smiths are worth the extra cost IMO for a lifetime of fun shooting with the family.

Shrinkmd
July 28, 2008, 09:32 PM
Get the 617 and you won't look back! Lots of little chambers to clean after a day of fun, though. And lead buildup around the forcing cone on the topstrap. Just spray some solvent, come back a few hours later, and it wipes away.

Seafarer12
July 28, 2008, 10:33 PM
It should be coming into my FFL any day now.

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