1858 Pietta Remington Conversion Completed


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chaoszen
July 22, 2008, 06:26 PM
Here are some pics of the finished project on my 1858 Pietta Sheriff's model (5 1/2" barrel). The conversion was done by "Ravens Roost". Thanks to all who helped me figure this project out. It has the Kirst converter with side gate and the Richards-Mason cartridge ejector. It can still be changed back over to C&B in about a minute. The port in the recoil shield didn't absorb the deep bluing I was looking for and any suggestions to improve this would be appreciated. Thanks.:D

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Shung
July 22, 2008, 06:41 PM
I have to do the same quickly !!!
but on a 7" barrel though !

VERY nice job !

Voodoochile
July 22, 2008, 10:46 PM
Very nice & congrats on a fine looking piece.
I almost was going to ask you how did you get the pin out but I see you dove tailed the catch in place, very nifty.

As far as Bluing goes, I would strip your piece totally & then clean it with dish detergent & hot water, then with your latex gloves on clean the area you want blued with 91% rubbing alcohol & let it air dry, then use the Birchwood Casey Cold Bluing Paste as dirrected & after maybe 2 sessions of bluing it that way should get the nice deep blue you want.

One day I'll either get a R&D or a Kirst converter but i'm still not sure about getting it gated & with an ejector assembly but we shal see when the time & $$$ comes.
My Sherifs model has becoms recently my favorite lil Remington copy too. :D

sundance44s
July 23, 2008, 11:37 AM
Did ya know you can buy one of these conversions made by Uberti at the factory ..alot cheaper than buying the parts and paying someone to do the conversion ..http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/products/cfRemingtonConversion.tpl

Shane1858
July 23, 2008, 11:47 AM
Voodoo, I have the R&D (non-gated) on my 1858 Remm, and the Kirst (gated) on my 1851 US Marshal. I by far prefer the Kirst. Much easier to load/unload without having to take the cylinder out each time(even with the ease of removing a 1858 cylider).
And you only have one firing pin to worry about, vs the six on the R&D.
They are both good, but if I could go back = they'd both be Kirst Konverted.

Until next time,

Slán go foill.

scrat
July 23, 2008, 12:37 PM
looks good looks really good

chaoszen
July 23, 2008, 12:45 PM
The Uberti 1858 Remington Conversion that is available is $470.00. It does not come with the Conversion cylinder which is extra. It does have the port in the recoil shield and an included ejector rod. The conversion cylinder is not a Kirst, but a copy. When I asked Taylors who made the cylinder they do not know. They were not even sure if it had the side gate as pictured or not. It probably would still be a bit cheaper, but not that much considering the sketchy information. At least I know what I have. Plus it's an FFL purchase which adds to the hassel and the price.

sundance44s
July 23, 2008, 01:15 PM
Chaoszen ,,,You did ask for suggestions for improvement ..I guess I was misinformed by my friend that bought one from Taylors .I wasn`t trying to rain on your parade. I just saw where you said you had someone do the work and thought mabe you didn`t know they could be bought cheaper than built .

chaoszen
July 23, 2008, 02:08 PM
No problemo. I had checked on the ready made conversions from Cimmarron and Uberti. And they looked like a great deal, but when you check further into them they get less so. Granted I may have saved a little money and I appreciate the info as I plan on buying another. So I have two. But I chose this route because money was not the main object.:cool:

chaoszen
July 23, 2008, 02:19 PM
Now I wish I could just find a holster that will fit the gun. I have bought two from Cabelas which are both too small and had to return them. The ejector assembly that makes the gun wider will not fit in holsters made for this gun. Cabelas advised me to go to Dixie Gun Works and call them. Plus I am left handed which limits selection. As with everything I buy. Just finally found a left handed Gibson SG guitar that I was looking for. It's tough bein a leftie!:banghead:

mykeal
July 23, 2008, 03:42 PM
Holsters aren't actually all that authentic anyway. Most just carried stuck in belts or pants. With those that did wear holsters strong side butt forward, using a reversed hand draw was common, so using a right hand holster on your left side should be acceptable to the PC police.

chaoszen
July 23, 2008, 06:10 PM
Mykeal, I would have to use a left hand holster on the right side for crossdraw, right? Or am I confused. For cross draw you have to use a left handed holster on the right side if left handed or a right handed holster on the left side if right handed. I think thats how it works. In any case I need a left handed holster. Is everyone confused now. LOL.

Omnivore
July 23, 2008, 06:29 PM
Chaoszen; If you're right handed, and you want to draw with your right hand, you get a right handed holster whether you're wearing it on the left or on the right.

The confusion comes from the civil war and earlier periods. In that case your sabor or sword was the "primary" weapon, so the pistol was drawn and fired using the weak hand. (a right handed person wore the sabor on the left and the pistol on the right - both cross draw). Your blade was worn cross draw to give you more room to draw it, so the pistol had to be worn on the opposite side.

mykeal
July 23, 2008, 11:08 PM
Chaoszen; If you're right handed, and you want to draw with your right hand, you get a right handed holster whether you're wearing it on the left or on the right.

The confusion comes from the civil war and earlier periods. In that case your sabor or sword was the "primary" weapon, so the pistol was drawn and fired using the weak hand. (a right handed person wore the sabor on the left and the pistol on the right - both cross draw). Your blade was worn cross draw to give you more room to draw it, so the pistol had to be worn on the opposite side.

Well, no, not necessarily. You are correct that the pistol was worn strong side butt forward to allow the saber to be carried on the weak side as it had to be cross drawn due to it's length.

However, the pistol was not necessarily cross drawn by the weak hand. In the right handed case, they drew by turning their right hand around, palm outward, then turning the gun towards their abdomen to point it forward. Many pictures show this method of carry; we assume that the gun was cross-drawn, but that was often not the case.

Jenrick
July 23, 2008, 11:37 PM
A holster worn reverse draw/butt foward (especially with a horse pistol) was primarily used for mounted use. If you are mounted and fighting, your reins go in your weak hand and your weapon in your strong hand. Drawing a sword is a cross body draw when done at waist level. A pistol mounted in a normal draw on the strong side (especially with a horse pistol) is very difficult to get out of the holster. It's also uncomfortable as it does not sit well. A reverse draw on the other hand isn't lighting fast, but it works, and is much more comfortable.

-Jenrick

Tommygunn
July 24, 2008, 01:13 AM
In the right handed case, they drew by turning their right hand around, palm outward, then turning the gun towards their abdomen to point it forward. Many pictures show this method of carry; we assume that the gun was cross-drawn, but that was often not the case.

I believe this to be basically true.

A slight aside from precisely how handguns were drawn from a "butt-forward" holter:
A number of years ago I read a biography of George Armstrong Custer. The book recounted an event during the first cavalry charge he led during the Civil War. Custer was apparantly quite infatuated with the sabre. As he was leading his men, he drew the cavalry sabre. At the time, it was common for soldiers to follow the commander's lead when choosing their weapon, so all his men then drew their sabres. Despite his affection for glinting sabres in the sunlight, Custer apparantly had a practical streak, too, and realized the revolver was a better weapon, so he replaced the sabre and drew his gun. His men necessarily followed suit. Then his romantic affections for glinting metal surfaced again and he holstered his pistol and drew his sabre ... again ... and of course, his men followed his lead. Then his practical side reasserted itself and ....well, you get the gist. I'm not sure the author knew exactly how many times the Boy General did this ... but I do recall that the final choice, as he encounted the greycoats, was his revolver.

Now, lest anyone think this is what led to Custer's downfall against the Plains Indian Nation, sorry, no. The 7th left their sabres crated up at the Powder River Depot en route to the Little Bighorn. Oh, and those weren't friendly Indians...after all.:rolleyes:

brianwhynot
July 24, 2008, 02:56 AM
A reverse draw on the other hand isn't lighting fast, but it works, and is much more comfortable.

Tell Wild Bill Hickok how slow it was. ;)

bigbadgun
July 24, 2008, 07:22 AM
Mykeal, I would have to use a left hand holster on the right side for crossdraw, right? Or am I confused. For cross draw you have to use a left handed holster on the right side if left handed or a right handed holster on the left side if right handed. I think thats how it works. In any case I need a left handed holster. Is everyone confused now. LOL.
This is correct. Because if try to where a normal strong side holster as a cross draw the angle is gonna be a problem. The 20 - 30 degree cross is what makes it fast and effective.
Does not matter the lenght of the brl. However the shorter the brl the faster the pull.

sundance44s
July 25, 2008, 09:54 AM
The reverse Draw carry like Hickok used works well from the back of a horse .

chaoszen
July 25, 2008, 11:23 AM
Thanks for the advice on the holster. I will get a left handed holster and wear it on the right side butt forward. That seems a very natural way to draw a pistol. With the added benefit should something go wrong, of not shooting oneself in the foot or worse. I think given that the cartridge ejector sticks out a bit like the ejector on a Colt Peacemaker maybe I should look at holsters made for that gun instead of holsters made for for the 1858 remmie.;)

mykeal
July 25, 2008, 03:04 PM
Be aware that many ranges do not allow cross draw holsters or the practice of cross draw. The motion subjects a large arc around the shooter to exposure to the muzzle of a loaded, charged pistol.

JayC
July 25, 2008, 03:30 PM
How much too small were the holsters you tried? I had to stretch a Cabelas Hickok to make it fit a Pietta Remington. I think they are sized for Colts. Just wetting the areas that need stretching with a water-saked Q-tip,then inserting the pistol after covering it with lube and plastic wrap (Saran or whatever) did the job, with a couple of clothes pins and rubberbands to help with the contours.

chaoszen
July 26, 2008, 07:50 AM
They were way to small, couldn't even get the gun started in the holsters to stretch them. They were too tight for me to risk giving them the hot water and detergent treatment to see if that would do it. And if not I couldn't return them that way. I think Cabelas might have balked at that..:eek:

1858rem
October 9, 2008, 05:12 PM
how accurate are those loads, how do smokeless and bp loads compare?

Coyote Hunter
October 9, 2008, 09:20 PM
I'm going to get my pietta shooters model converted also. For those who said Uberti already makes a conversion, that is true. I have one in 5 1/2 inch. Here it the problem I've had. The space between the trigger guard and the grip is too small for my hands. And I don't have big hands. When I fire even schofields in it, the trigger guard raps my knuckle. When I shoot full BP loads, it will really wack me. But the Pietta has a larger frame and I don't have this problem.

DixieTexian
October 10, 2008, 03:08 AM
You could get some leather and make your own holsters like I do. I stitch them up with the actual gun in them. That way you get a real good fit.

sundance44s
October 10, 2008, 09:40 AM
Coyote Hunter ...I`m the same way ...the Pietta 58 is the only one that doesn`t hurt my fingers to shoot ...I just traded off a Euroarms Remington for that very reason ...it was a real good shooter ..but worse than a Uberti for takeing the hairs off my fingers with the back of the trigger guard ...kinda takes the fun out of it ...

Colt46
October 10, 2008, 01:00 PM
My only offer to improve it would be some fine looking grips. Those plain vanilla ones are trying to drag your baby down.

Coyote Hunter
October 10, 2008, 08:57 PM
I know Sundance, I sold a beautiful 20 guage skeet grade Remington shotgun for the money to get one. I love conversions because of the characters I portray with our Western reenactment group. But I was disappointed with the knuckle rapping. Other than that, it is a conversation getter and is accurate. I carry my guns a lot on the farm. That way, the leather and guns get some wear and look better for what I do. Plus, it's a good excuse to shoot them at coyotes and possums and such. I kinda wish I'd gotten the transitional model Colt now.

chaoszen
October 24, 2008, 08:27 PM
Thanks for all the posts on this thread. You have all been very helpfull. And by the way anyone own a Pedersoli 20ga smoothbore Howdah from Cabelas? I was thinking about getting one.:rolleyes:

arcticap
October 25, 2008, 04:44 AM
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Once the advanced search page loads, type "howdah" in the "keyword box", click on "blackpowder shooting" in the "search in forums" box, then go to the bottom of the page and click on "search now" and viola!

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the-ghost
October 25, 2008, 02:32 PM
awesome pistol man!

fast drawing is a hollywood invention...

the sabre as mykeal said was the primary weapon for officers in the civil war and earlier. the sabre while marching is held sheathed by your left hand, for a righty, and this is still true today for officers on parade. your pistol and sabre would be drawn with the same hand. you would also use two hands to draw your sabre. one to hold the scabbard and other to draw the weapon.

BHP FAN
October 26, 2008, 06:45 AM
I've gotta say that looks sweet!Have you considered a strongside lefty by Oklahoma Leather Company?They're pretty inexpensive,and tend to be a little thinner leather than some maker's use,so they form well to almost any pistola.

1858rem
October 26, 2008, 10:37 AM
how does that ejector rod assembly work? is it something pretty simple to make, 100+ bucks i thought was pretty steep.:what:

Biohazard1993
October 10, 2012, 11:02 PM
I'm hoping someone can answer a few questions even though it has been a while since this part of the forum has gotten any feedback. Im just a young firearms owner getting into the adiction that is older type firearms :D , and I figured someone here could help enlighten me in my black powder conversion ignorance. I understand how the cylinder works (seen that on utube) but how does one get the ejector on the revolver :confused: (i cannot find vids anywhere) and is it slightly wierd to use as it is on the right hand side of the revolver instead of the left, or is it one of those things you get used to or actually like more than the original design after a while? Also I know the LC stands for long colt but with lack of information on the web, am I correct in the assumption that kirst saying 45sc means the .45 schofield? Thank you very much.

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