Looking for a good auto handgun.


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Aka Zero
July 24, 2008, 12:16 AM
New member here. Found this place doing some research on knives, decided to ask on the gun front.

Looking for a fun to shoot pistol. 9mm full frame. Taking suggestions and opinions on a few guns.

Like the looks of these so far.
Taurus pt92 Stainless
CZ 75's, Mainly SP-01
Runners up
Glock 17 (or 17L )
Herstal FNP
Baby Eagle

Just wanting to know more about these, or any pistols that are a good buy.

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Chortdraw
July 24, 2008, 12:18 AM
Out of that list I would take the CZ. Welcome to the forum

GunDoctor
July 24, 2008, 12:35 AM
All good choices. I'd narrow it down to the CZ, FNP, and Baby Eagle.

SureThing
July 24, 2008, 12:38 AM
Don't forget the Beretta 92 and Glock 34.

knicks118
July 24, 2008, 12:39 AM
I'd pick the CZ 75 then the FNP 9, then Glock 17.

Kilted Cossack
July 24, 2008, 12:41 AM
Full size? Fun to shoot? 9mm?

This should draw the slavering hordes of Browning Hi-Power fans from the woodwork. (I'm in that slavering horde, too, although I am currently Hi-Power-Less.)

Right now you can get HK P7s for . . . still somewhat reasonably . . . as West German police trade-ins. I got one, and finally understand the HK mystique. An evolutionary dead end, but oh my, what a design.

My comments about the guns you listed (and they're MY COMMENTS, and applicable to ME, and are not necessarily any kind of Universal Truth---just sayin')?

The CZ75 I want to love, but the sad fact is that the full size version has a trigger that is hard for me to reach in double action. Sigh. I can do it, but it's not something I've been willing to do yet.

The G17---hard to go wrong with the Premier Papa Poly-Popper, assuming it fits your hands. If you're new to autopistols, you'll probably think the Glock feels just fine. If your hand has been trained to fit the very prevalent "1911 paradigm", a G17 is going to feel . . . kind of off to you. (Or it does to me.) Otherwise, big, soft, durable, accurate, you can tinker with it or leave it alone and it ought to work fine for you.

I have played with but not shot the FNP and Baby Eagle. Both seem like quality handguns.

Oddly enough, one of my very favorite pistols of all time is the Taurus 92. I loved the double action pull and it was, once more (like the G17) a big, light, soft shooting 9mm. I have had good luck with Taurus automatics and revolvers, although I know a lot of people are down on them. And it seems to me that even Taurus bashers generally make an exception for the 92.

There are a ton of very decent choices out there, find one that fits your hand and then check to make sure it isn't a stinker, and go forth and do great things.

I say again, a ton of very decent choices out there.

Aka Zero
July 24, 2008, 01:01 AM
Well I got a budget too. Don't want to spend a whole lot. Maybe less than $600 preferably less.

Just seeing what people that own the guns like.

SureThing
July 24, 2008, 01:46 AM
Well, the Taurus is a good gun to buy used. They can be had not much more than $300, and sometimes less. I have owed 2, and they have been great. They have a lifetime warranty to any owner.

This guy may want to sell.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=899799&highlight=taurus

Here is mine, but I think it has sold.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=893425&highlight=taurus


http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=105254767

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/495/sort/3a/page/3

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/52/products_id/411534858

Aka Zero
July 24, 2008, 02:36 AM
I like the Taurus warranty. Might try to find one used.

Mot45acp
July 24, 2008, 03:26 AM
I like the Taurus warranty. Might try to find one used.

Search "Taurus Warranty"

I am not knocking Taurus. If that is your reason to purchase a Taurus do a lil research.

That said I have owned a few reliable Tauri.

Me.....I have recently been turned to the dark side of Glocks. I am first to admit that I am a "fanboy"

Glocks are the AK-47 of the pistol world. They are ugly, but, they go bang every time. Not as accurate as a 1911, but for out of the box "bang for the buck" you cant go wrong.

Aka Zero
July 24, 2008, 06:00 AM
Leaning Very Heavily towards a CZ, mostly the SP-01.

Or I might get a Kel-Tec PF-9 for practicing before I get my ccw.

Pilot
July 24, 2008, 09:16 AM
Out of that list, the CZ would be my pick.

Mad Magyar
July 24, 2008, 09:31 AM
Maybe less than $600 preferably less.

Hmmm....For about $319, how about a "spankin-new" Daewoo DP51C in Tri-Action?
You'll never look back.....:)
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CHEVELLE427
July 24, 2008, 09:32 AM
have a PT92 9mm and a baby eagle in 40 and 45.
imo i like the baby eagles, never shot the 9 mm in one but the other 2 are great, they fit and feel really good in the hand, another great gun is an XD I ALSO have 2 of them. again not in a 9mm. the keltec is also a good little gun but it is a hand full with full charge ammo.

(bigger is better) my .02

bestseller92
July 24, 2008, 09:34 AM
I can personally recommend the:

Ruger P90
Ruger P95
Ruger P97
Glock 22
Glock 17
Bersa T380

everallm
July 24, 2008, 10:00 AM
If pennies are going to restrict you and you want a CZ form then the EAA/Tanfoglio range might be worth looking at.

This from someone who loves (in a purely platonic way) his SP-01

Drgong
July 24, 2008, 10:11 AM
Don't forget to look at Hi Powers.
Out of the ones you metioned, I would look at the CZ types.

gtmtnbiker98
July 24, 2008, 10:19 AM
Don't forget about the Sig Sauer P226 or a P229. A little more expensive than $600 but definitely worth it.

JDGray
July 24, 2008, 10:21 AM
I've owed a bunch of 9mm, still own a CZ75B:)

rellascout
July 24, 2008, 10:28 AM
The best gun for the money right now in 9mm is he FNP-9. Runs about $400 shipped to your FFL. You will not find a better pistol for the money in 9mm. It us a $500+ pistol selling for less. Come with 3 mags.

The next best deal is the Sig Pro Sp2022 which is selling for $459 plus shipping. Come with 3 mags and is an all German gun with a great finish. Ifalon which is better than the US nitron. It is one of the best DA triggers Sig has to offer.

If you have a little more the BHP is a winner but they are hard to find even used for under $600.

I think you also should think about which action you want. DA/SA, DAO Striker like a Glock, or a SA only like the BHP.

The 75B give you a lot of gun but they are climbing in price. It is hard to get out the door for less than $500 which is bumping it out of the best value for the money category IMHO. They also have a long trigger reach.

thegoodfight
July 24, 2008, 10:30 AM
Take the CZ nods with a grain of salt. Every CZ pistol I've seen has had horrible fit and finish. Also stay away from taurus.


Get the glock 17

NG VI
July 24, 2008, 01:21 PM
Every CZ pistol I've seen has had horrible fit and finish.

Interesting. My two CZs and the CZ Kadet Kit all have flawlessly uniform finish, the 97B I bought used three years ago is especially good, since it is ten years old and I bought it three years ago. Looks new.

And they all have a very tight fit, no slop or wobble at all.

I do like Glock more and more though, and I would get a Glock 26/27 over a keltec

BlindJustice
July 24, 2008, 01:24 PM
I got a blued CZ 75B about 2 1/2 months ago in 9mmx19
for an economical range gun - I also shoot a 1911 and a revolver
in.45 ACP as well. I like the DA option, with the choice of
Condition One carry with the thumb safety on the CZ 75B. The
slide design is interesting in that the rails are from the
inside like a Sig 210 full length serrated rib with three dot
sights excellent ergos for the backstrap. Excellent fit and
finish as well for a service pisto & lthe price.

Randall

thegoodfight
July 24, 2008, 03:45 PM
Interesting. My two CZs and the CZ Kadet Kit all have flawlessly uniform finish, the 97B I bought used three years ago is especially good, since it is ten years old and I bought it three years ago. Looks new.

And they all have a very tight fit, no slop or wobble at all.

I do like Glock more and more though, and I would get a Glock 26/27 over a keltec

Yeah and I may have just handle a bad batch, I dunno. I really love the looks of the CZ's and they really do have great ergos. I just noticed some fit issues. I think if you got your hands on a CZ that had great fit and finish, it's a winner in my book.

Ohio Rifleman
July 24, 2008, 03:59 PM
If you're looking for an inexpensive, high quality, fairly compact 9mm, then you can't go wrong with a Sig Sauer P6. They can be had for $300 or so and are a steal at that price. They're German police trade-ins and are in excellent shape. I just bought one from AIM surplus and it has some finish wear and had some shooting residue that cleaned up in no time. Some people might not like the low capacity of the single-stack magazines (8 rounds) and that magazines are pricy (around $50) but neither of those bother you, then buy one. You will never find a better deal on a Sig Sauer.

NG VI
July 24, 2008, 04:22 PM
Well, in all fairness CZ is my only brand of metal framed pistol right now, after this weekend at the state marksmanship match I was really impressed with the Beretta 92, which I have never fired before.

So I don't really have a lot of experience with what a good fit should feel like, but mine are tight, especially the PCR. The 97B is also nice and tight in slide to frame fit, but the PCR can be held almost like a compound bow right before it unlocks and opens.

And their finishes are all very uniform and good looking polycoat.

Aka Zero
July 24, 2008, 04:40 PM
Think I am going to save a little more money and go with the CZ SP-01. Can't get a carry gun later, probably the keltec PF-9.

Am I correct in assuming that the P-01 and SP-01 use standard cz75 mags?

And will The .22 kadet kit fit an SP-01? 9mm is cheap, but .22 is super cheap.

Thanks for the info so far. been looking up a lot of guns.

NG VI
July 24, 2008, 04:44 PM
The kadet will fit all the 75 series, including the alloy framed P01 and PCR, and I'm guessing, though I don't own one myself, that the SP-01 can probably hack it as well, it just might look a little odd with more dustcover than slide housing. They all use the same mags, but the P-01/compact model mags won't fit the fullsize guns, not long enough. Fullsize mags will be fully compatible with compact guns.

Aka Zero
July 24, 2008, 05:18 PM
Did a little research.

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/pistols-41/22917-review-cz-75-sp-01-tactical.html

Kadet kit Looks nice on the SP-01. And at $12 per 500 rds, .22 is as cheap as it gets.

Aka Zero
July 25, 2008, 08:14 PM
Looked more at CZ's

Anyone have/ like the 75B-SA?

Like the idea of SA, because it will just be a target shooting. And any carry gun I get in the future will probably be DAO, keltec/glock.

And have also read a few places that the SA has a plastic trigger. Other places did not mention it. Don't like the idea of a plastic trigger on a steal gun. Is there an easy way to change out just the trigger to a steel one?

CountGlockula
July 25, 2008, 08:35 PM
Welcome aboard! You know what I'd choose.

kc5jsr
July 25, 2008, 09:18 PM
For Self-Defense, I ended up buying an F.B.I. turn in which is a Sig 229. It was sent back to the factory and checked by the armorer and refinished.
I payed a whopping $499.00. I've owned it since Dec. 07 and have put at least 2800 rounds on target W/O a single Stove-pipe or any other sort of Mal-function.
I would like to add, serving 8 years as an M.P. in the Army, I was a dyed in the wool fan of the "to hell and back reliability" of the 'ol 1911. This Weapon has changed My point of view.
One thing I might suggest, if for Self-defense, go with .40 Cal and the Federal Hyro-Shok For ammo, more stopping power, and less over penetration.
I hope this helps!

73' John C.

USMCDK
July 25, 2008, 09:31 PM
SIGs and H&K are my suggestions or any other german made handgun for that matter. Pricey but to me they have been reliable.

Now if you are looking into fun to shoot weapons I know that you said 9mm but take into consideration the cost of ammo. That said I would suggest going into the .22 realm.

Like the Ruger MkII or the Sig Trailslide, or even the Walther P22 nice lil guns that are really fun to plink with and great for the kids to learn on especially to learn the basics of shooting and the four golden safety rules. Like I said that's just a suggestion towards cheap and fun shooting, but my other suggestions stand with the German made fire arms.

H&K USP9 or the SK2000/9mm

SIG: P226, P229, P239, and the P250 are all nice models depending on what you are looking for in a handgun. Heck even some of the older German made Sigs are nice to in 9mm. Happy hunting my friend and keep us posted as to what you find and what you actually get, we back you all the way.

Happy shooting,

USMCDK

AK-47Ghost
July 25, 2008, 10:04 PM
There's just something so right about a Beretta 92...

benderx4
July 25, 2008, 10:12 PM
I own a good majority of the guns mentioned in this thread. My recommendations to you would be:
1. CZ75 SP-01
2. Browning High Power
3. Beretta 92FS
4. Taurus PT92 (Over 15K rounds in mine)
5. HK P30
6. Springfield XD9
7. Glock 17
8. Sig Sauer 229 Elite
9. EAA Witness
10. Beagle

Honestly, I doubt you could go wrong with any of these fine weapons. IMHO, the CZs right now are the absolute best BANG for the buck.
Good luck with your choice!

Aka Zero
July 25, 2008, 10:14 PM
Looking at the 9mm range of pistols, because I am wanting to get used to the recoil in a larger pistol (full frame) before I get a smaller defense gun (compact/ subcompact).

My dad has an old .22 woodsman which is a great plinker. Shoot it all day for $10. Had a .22 rifle since I got my hunting license, present from my grandpa. Got a 30-30 a few years later. now making my way into the mid cal pistol range.

Still can't figure out if new CZ75B-sa have a plastic trigger or metal. Anyone bought one recently?

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