Here we go again!: No license? No pop stand, St. Paul tells 2 youngsters


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KMKeller
August 29, 2003, 10:27 AM
http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4067833.html

No license? No pop stand, St. Paul tells 2 youngsters
Kevin Duchschere, Star Tribune

Published August 29, 2003 POPS29


Mikaela Ziegler, 7, and her 4-year-old sister, Annika, were selling refreshments Wednesday afternoon near the State Fairgrounds when a woman approached them. But she wasn't there to buy.

"She said, 'You can't sell pop unless you have a license,' " Mikaela said.

That's how it came to be that an inspector with St. Paul's Office of License, Inspections and Environmental Protection shut down Mikaela and Annika's pop stand.

Their outraged father, Dr. Richard Ziegler, called City Hall for an explanation. He was told that St. Paul is cracking down on unauthorized merchants and that his daughters would be free to hawk their beverages once they obtained a $60 license.

"Is there anything sacred anymore?" he asked Thursday. "We're not running a business here. This is fun and games for kids. I think [Mikaela's] netted, after paying me, a whole $13.

"It's laughable and it's tragic."

But Licensing Director Janeen Rosas said Mikaela was violating St. Paul Legislative Code Chapter 331A.04(d)(24), which requires a license for "A temporary establishment where food sales shall be restricted to prepackaged nonpotentially hazardous foods or canned or bottled nonalcoholic beverages; operating no more than fourteen (14) days annually at any one location."

Rosas said the city has received more complaints than ever this year about sellers at the fair, although she said no one had registered a gripe about the enterprising Ziegler sisters.

"If someone were to get ill from one of these products, with a license we're more able to track them back," she said. "And at the fair it's an equity issue. Allowing some people to sell without licenses gives them an unfair advantage over others."

In fact, any lemonade stand in St. Paul must be licensed to operate, Rosas said. Not that the licensing department is out randomly patrolling for juvenile scofflaws.

"But if we get a complaint, an inspector would go out and respond to that kind of call," she said.

In June, police in Naples, Fla., responded to a neighbor's complaint by closing the lemonade stand of a 6-year-old girl who didn't have a permit. After fielding indignant phone calls from around the country, embarrassed city officials waived the $35 permit fee and allowed her to reopen. The story won national attention.

Before she was shut down at her stand on Como Av. a block or two from the fairgrounds, Mikaela had been in business for four days, offering passersby an assortment of packaged lemonade, orange juice, water and pop. What the city did made her sad. And mad.

"I don't think that was right," she said, "Cause you should be able to just sell stuff without having something that you don't know you're supposed to be having."

Kevin Duchschere is at kduchschere@startribune.com.

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BenW
August 29, 2003, 10:33 AM
And another happy childhood memory bites the dust.....:(

hops
August 29, 2003, 01:35 PM
On the bright side - A priceless education for her on the overreaching of GOV.ORG in to ones daily life.

jimpeel
August 30, 2003, 12:31 AM
I used to frequent the automotive swap meets in CA when I lived there. Some of the vendors would sell canned sodas on the side. The promoters told them they couldn't sell any form of food product as it competed with the official vendors and cut into sales -- and, as a result, the amount the promoters took in from those sales.

The vendors simply placed a bowl of marbles on the table with a sign that said "Buy a marble and recieve a free soda. Marbles $1.00"

Maybe we should send the kids a few bags of marbles.

Edward429451
August 30, 2003, 02:01 AM
I will always buy from a lemonade stand. Support the small enterprise folks!!:cool:

dinosaur
August 30, 2003, 04:25 PM
I read today the mayor ordered the inspectors to leave them alone.

The article also said the stand was 2 blocks from the fairgrounds and they have a problem with unlicensed vendors.

Graystar
August 31, 2003, 10:12 AM
I read today the mayor ordered the inspectors to leave them alone. I can understand the inspector's point of view. In this sue-happy society, the last thing you need is for someone to accuse you of playing favorites while acting as a government representative.

But on the other hand, my impression of the kids lemonade stand was one of a stand erected on the sidewalk in front of the kids' house, in a residential neighborhood...you know...the classic image. Now, move that stand to a high traffic area....hmmmm.

Marko Kloos
August 31, 2003, 10:14 AM
"I don't think that was right," she said, "Cause you should be able to just sell stuff without having something that you don't know you're supposed to be having."

Libertarianism in a nutshell. From the mouths of babes... :D

Blain
August 31, 2003, 10:31 AM
ROFLMAO!!!! This reminds me of the game "Nation States" at www.nationstates.com (or is it.org?) anyway, it is basically a game that lets you create and form your own types of governments and nations. Anything from a Libertarian style paradise to a police state style utopia. Anyway, one of the options is to abolish the free market/private sector and send all means of production over to government contorl. If you choose this option the game comes up with a field of text which says something to the effect of,

"The government has completely taken control over the private sector which is now entirely comprised of 8 year old kid's running lemonade stands, and the government is looking at stomping these out."


!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

Truth IS Stranger than fiction! :what: :what: :what: :cuss: :fire: :banghead:

Phil Ca
September 1, 2003, 03:15 AM
In Ceres, Kalifornia a garage sale is supposed to be held after buying a 5 dollar license from the city. I see dozens of sales but I doubt if they are covered with the license. Most sales would never be held if a license had to be obtained first. Also limited to two per year. Go figure.

:confused:

telomerase
September 2, 2003, 10:28 PM
When lemonade is outlawed, only city bureaucrats will have free lemonade.

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