6.8 spc any good for hunting?


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futureranger
July 24, 2008, 11:01 PM
I saw a nice looking Olympic arms AR with a bull barrel and was in 6.8spc, would that round rifle combination be any good for hunting anything up to deer/ black bear size? It has the standard fixed position stock and a 16" barrel. How would the 6.8 be in terms of lethality? I need something that I can actually use to hunt with and the put next to my bed at night.

i dont need other suggestions about other rifles or rounds, unless it has to do with 6.8spc or the AR-15, thanks for the help

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Matt-J2
July 24, 2008, 11:11 PM
Nope, 6.8spc is well known for bouncing off the hides of even TX whitetails. Might work for squirrel, though.

Bigfoot
July 24, 2008, 11:22 PM
In a word, yes. Dear and hogs on down. I would assume black bear also but I haven't read of one killed with it yet. It's as effective at 100 yards as the 270 Win is at 300, both shooting 130s. Here is the hunting section of 6.8 Forums.com. http://www.68forums.com/viewforum.php?f=11

3006mv
July 24, 2008, 11:27 PM
What do you plan on hunting? http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/remington_0303/ Plan on reloading and testing too. http://www.chuckhawks.com/6-8mm_SPC.htm

PercyShelley
July 25, 2008, 12:40 AM
Bull barrel probably won't be so much fun afield, but other than that, there is plenty of testimony that it works just fine on deer.

ryoushi
July 25, 2008, 01:39 AM
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/dkred5854/messinwmyfeeder-1.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/ar-15teacher/img_0176.jpg

http://www.dpmsinc.com/awards/zone/animals/photos/troy-deer-large.jpg

only1asterisk
July 25, 2008, 01:59 AM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/only1asterisk/deer4.jpg

Rifle: 6.8 SPC
Deer: Possible New Idaho Record
Condition: Dead
Hunter: Not Me (too bad too!)

David

poorfolks
July 25, 2008, 07:52 AM
deer yes, anything that may fight back, no.

ryoushi
July 25, 2008, 10:14 AM
deer yes, anything that may fight back, no.

The pig disagrees.
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/dkred5854/January08068.jpg

Frog48
July 25, 2008, 01:35 PM
I've been thinking about either 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel, for deer hunting. However, for some reason I'm still fascinated by .50 Beowulf and .458 SOCOM... The latter two may be overkill, though.

Zak Smith
July 25, 2008, 01:37 PM
6.8 SPC is good for deer hunting, provided you know your limitations. Guys over on SnipersHide have reported hitting elk and a bunch of hogs as well. The last deer I shot was with my 18" 6.8 SPC and a 110gr Pro-Hunter bullet. There are better bullets available now.

The latest "hunting" AR-15 I built was in .300 Fireball/Whisper, which can be loaded either with heavy 200+gr subsonic rounds or full-power supersonic loads (150gr @ 1850 fps from a 10.5" bbl).

-z

Tarvis
July 25, 2008, 03:59 PM
Nope, 6.8spc is well known for bouncing off the hides of even TX whitetails. Might work for squirrel, though.
Beat me to it ;).

roger460xvr
November 16, 2008, 01:40 AM
Just get some of the new 110 accubond bullets kill any size deer you want..................in 6.8spc... roger460xvr.

Seafarer12
November 16, 2008, 11:53 AM
Olympic Arms also makes uppers in the wssm calibers. My main problem with the 6.8 is bullet selection. I am sure they would do fine on deer here in Texas but so will a .223 if you do your part.

SnakeLogan
November 16, 2008, 05:20 PM
I'm wondering how the 85gr TSX works. The 110gr penetrates 15 inches in gel which is good, but not great for larger game. For larger game, I'd like at least 17.

BornAgainBullseye
November 16, 2008, 06:01 PM
.270 winchester has been killing deer for years and years to come. 6.8 is same diameter bullet in a shorter-fatter case, and a tad slower. It will work good

R.W.Dale
November 16, 2008, 06:17 PM
.270 winchester has been killing deer for years and years to come. 6.8 is same diameter bullet in a shorter-fatter case, and a tad slower. It will work good

The 6.8 is the same bullet diameter in a shorter skinnier case and it's a lot slower say about 700fps with similar bullet weights.

As you can tell I prefer the 7.62x39mm for the ar15 platform. With handloads it does everything 6.8 will do ballistically plus you can buy sub $5 a box plinkin loads that'll get you lots of trigger time

Seafarer12
November 16, 2008, 08:38 PM
.270 winchester has been killing deer for years and years to come. 6.8 is same diameter bullet in a shorter-fatter case, and a tad slower. It will work good

Thats like comparing a 30-30 to a 308. With a 270 you get 50 grains more bullet with the same speed or 600 fps for the same weight bullet.

BornAgainBullseye
November 16, 2008, 09:19 PM
so you exact-o thread dissectors are saying that a 6.8 will not kill a deer as dead as any other centerfire? Oh yea learn to count 115grain and 130 grain is only 15 grain difference. You guys think you are too smart for your own pants

BornAgainBullseye
November 16, 2008, 09:25 PM
oh and Here is one the 130 grain .270win clocks at 3100fps. The 115 grain 6.8 at 2625. Are you counting on your fingers? I hope you are not a banker! Last time I dusted off my counting skills I came up with a 475 fps difference. Back to his original question. Yes It will kill deer and it will do it very well. Is it the golden bullet?? mabye not?

R.W.Dale
November 16, 2008, 09:26 PM
so you exact-o thread dissectors are saying that a 6.8 will not kill a deer as dead as any other centerfire? Oh yea learn to count 115grain and 130 grain is only 15 grain difference. You guys think you are too smart for your own pants

There's a lot more to it than bullet weight alone.

Heck 9mm uses 115grn bullets too

30 carbine uses 110grainers

we're not saying that 6.8 isn't a good hunting cartridge

we're saying comparing it to 270 is like comparing a Toyota 22R engine to a Boss429

The 115 grain 6.8 at 2625. Are you counting on your fingers?

only according to Remington, shoot some over a chronograph and you'll find those numbers to be VERY optimistic. At any range a 130grn 270 bullet will pack roughly TWICE the energy of 6.8spc. Or to put it another way in terms of delivered energy shooting a deer at 100yds with a 6.8 is the equivalent of shooting one at 350yds with a 270win. A 200yd shot with a 6.8 = a 500yd shot with a 270


The Remington factory load clocked an average of 2462.7 feet-per-second (fps) from the Rugerís 18.5 inch barrel, with the chronograph eyes set at ten feet from the muzzle

more here

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-RanchRifle68.htm

as you can see a much more useful comparison would be comparing 6.8spc to 7.62x39mm as the performance and ballistics are very similar betwixt these two chamberings

BornAgainBullseye
November 16, 2008, 09:41 PM
that is a poor choice.. More like comparing a chevy 350 (6.8) to a Ford 351C 4v... I like the 429 though, that was good.

Seafarer12
November 16, 2008, 09:57 PM
so you exact-o thread dissectors are saying that a 6.8 will not kill a deer as dead as any other centerfire? Oh yea learn to count 115grain and 130 grain is only 15 grain difference. You guys think you are too smart for your own pants

I never said it won't kill a deer. I was just saying your comparison was a poor choice. Hell a 22lr will kill a deer if you shoot him in the right spot.

ProCarryNAustin
November 17, 2008, 08:23 AM
"As you can tell I prefer the 7.62x39mm for the ar15 platform. With handloads it does everything 6.8 will do ballistically plus you can buy sub $5 a box plinkin loads that'll get you lots of trigger time"

True enough about the plinkin' loads, but trajectory-wise there is no comparison as the 6.8 shoots much flatter. 7.62x39 is down about 93 inches at 500 yards compared to around 56 inches for some of the better 6.8 hunting rounds.

Daniel
Austin, Texas

woof
November 17, 2008, 10:34 AM
This thread is crazy. The 6.8 is a great deer round, at shorter ranges where almost all deer are shot. It is a .270 Light. It will do at 100 yards and under what the .270 will do at 250 - 300. If you are shooting deer at 300 you need a .270 or such, if you are shooting them at under 100, you don't. I'm continually amazed at posters who will scoff at a .30-30 or 6.8 at any range, but then talk about .270 or .308 shots at over 400.

R.W.Dale
November 17, 2008, 11:02 AM
True enough about the plinkin' loads, but trajectory-wise there is no comparison as the 6.8 shoots much flatter. 7.62x39 is down about 93 inches at 500 yards compared to around 56 inches for some of the better 6.8 hunting rounds.

gimmie a break, who shoots a 6.8 at 500yds, But I'll play anyhow

notice I said 7.62x39mm HANDLOADS

my 2400fps 125g nosler ballistic tip load matches remingtons 115 ultra bonded load even out to 500yds

at 500yds from a 200yd ZERO my 7.62x39 load drops 69.5" with 588fpe

at that same set of parameters 6.8 drops get this 68" with only 481fpe

a whopping inch and a half at 500yds, and this is BEFORE you drop 200fps off of remingtons overly inflated velocity numbers that I allude to in a previous post. Even with these numbers MY 7.62x39 load packs MORE energy at that range

So by "much flatter" to you must mean 2% :eek:

ProCarryNAustin
November 17, 2008, 11:59 AM
"gimmie a break, who shoots a 6.8 at 500yds, But I'll play anyhow"

Not sure how they do things in your neck of the woods, but most folks put their ballistics tables out to 500 yards for a full comparison.
I was comparing Federals soft point hunting round with SSA's
200 yard zero
6.8 SPC
300yrd 10.4
400yrd 30.6

7.62x39
300yrd 14.5
400yrd 43.9

Was attempting to compare apples to apples by comparing commercially available loads that have verifiable and published data. That is something I don't have with your handload data.

Remington loads are also the worst case scenario for 6.8 SPC. Much better and more accurate loads are available from Hornady, Seller Bellot and SSA. Currently the hunting round most folks seem to be using is the SSA 110 hunting round.

If you would like to see a good catalog of things being hunted and the results, head over to 68forums.com. Lots of folks getting good results with this round.

Daniel
Austin, Texas

R.W.Dale
November 17, 2008, 12:20 PM
I still stand by my original statement. That properly handloaded 7.62x39 will match 6.8spc. For us handloaders there's a great deal of improvement to be made over factory 7.62x39mm offerings. On the other hand with 6.8's throughly modern bullet selection and pressure rating the best a handloader can hope for is to match factory 6.8 loadings. Thus even comparing your chosen SAA load

200 yard zero
6.8 SPC
300yrd 10.4
400yrd 43.9

vs

200yd zero
7.62x39mm 125grn nosler @ 2420fps

300yrd 11.46
400yrd 34.08

something doesn't add up with SAA's trajectory table, the 400yd figure doesn't seem to add up with what it should be. Either way at hunting range inside 300yds the difference is only an inch . Hardly enough to beat your chest over, none of which however takes away from both rounds ability to cleanly take game at serious ranges.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=405210


278yds:D

ProCarryNAustin
November 17, 2008, 12:30 PM
Fixed the table in my post above. I transposed the numbers for 400 yards.


Daniel
Austin, Texas

R.W.Dale
November 17, 2008, 12:36 PM
OK now the numbers match what pointblank says with saa's numbers plugged in

Cohibra45
November 17, 2008, 01:18 PM
krochus,

Haven't been keeping up with the latest developments in 6.8 SPC lately huh??:confused::confused:

Over on 68forums.com (http://www.68forums.com/), the people developing hand/hunting loads are getting very respectable performance out of the 110-115g hunting loads. Try average of 2800fpm out of 16-18" barrels!!!:what:

I understand why someone would want to have an AR in 7.62x39 with all that cheap import junk to shoot, but you can't reload steel cases. If you are going to down play the 6.8, at least get the most current information. You keep comparing your hand loaded 7.62 with factory 6.8...not too fair I say. If the OP wants to look into what the 6.8 can do, just join in the forum above. You have to register (that keeps out the spammer/porn people), but it is a great group of guys and they have really done some tremendous things with this round including taking a bull elk at 372yds using 110gr Accubond at 2880fps, same 20" 13 twist 3 groove built rifle!!!!!!;) Not everyone can do that, but it was a clean kill with a very good shooter.

Again, check out the latest information and you will see that the 6.8 is a great hunting round for medium game out to 400yds with the right loads.

jerkface11
November 17, 2008, 09:58 PM
What pressures are they running with that 2800fps loading? Is it safe? How many loadings do they get out of those cases? Oh wait they have the magic 1:12" twist rate that multiplies velocity.

Cohibra45
November 17, 2008, 10:45 PM
jerkface11,

I gave you a link that will give you all the information you ask. Did you read it or are you just wanting to spread mal content?? The tests were done using barrel pressure testing equipment, so the information is there for all the barrels/loads!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, the twist rate does have an effect as does the chamber dimensions. Is there something secret that is being hidden from people??? I think not!!!!!!:fire: All you or anyone for that matter has to do is do their due diligence, but for some, perhaps you and krochus, reading is not your forte!!!

Oh well, sorry...the information is there for everyone!!!!!:neener:

jerkface11
November 17, 2008, 11:51 PM
You're right a special rate of twist will allow 6.8 spc to get the same velocities as .270 winchester a cartridge with DOUBLE the case capacity. I think I'll build a .270 Weatherby with that twist the bullets will probably flash into plasma.

ProCarryNAustin
November 18, 2008, 12:43 PM
Folks on 68forums.com are actually working up these loads and publishing their data.

Feel free to publish yours when you get your Weatherby Flash/Plasma round going.

Twist rates, headspace, chamber dimensions, these can all drastically affect muzzle velocity as much as barrel length, case volume and powder efficiency. There is a point of diminishing returns on case size where the round loses efficiency. It is not a linear thing. Twice the case capacity will not get you twice the velocity.... but you probably already knew that. The tone of your posts seems to be more to degrade others than to actually discuss the topic.

Daniel
Austin, Texas

jerkface11
November 18, 2008, 04:44 PM
Twist rates, headspace, chamber dimensions, these can all drastically affect muzzle velocity as much as barrel length, case volume and powder efficiency. There is a point of diminishing returns on case size where the round loses efficiency. It is not a linear thing. Twice the case capacity will not get you twice the velocity.... but you probably already knew that. The tone of your posts seems to be more to degrade others than to actually discuss the topic.


There is no twist rate in the world that will make 6.8spc shoot faster than .270 winchester. The only way to do that is to dramatically increase the pressures. I do notice that you 6.8 fans seem to be very defensive of your pet cartridge. Since any time someone questions your nonsensical ballistics they get accused of being rude or degrading.

As for the people on 6.8.com or whatever they can work up any overloads they want to. I just hope they let the people next to them at the range know before they start shooting the things.

ProCarryNAustin
November 18, 2008, 04:52 PM
"There is no twist rate in the world that will make 6.8spc shoot faster than .270 winchester. "

I never said that there was.

"As for the people on 6.8.com or whatever they can work up any overloads they want to"

Some of the hotter loads I have seen data for were done in a pressure barrel so that chamber pressure was being measured along with the velocity. I haven't seen any irresponsible behavior from those reloading on 68forums.com.

"I do notice that you 6.8 fans seem to be very defensive of your pet cartridge. Since any time someone questions your nonsensical ballistics they get accused of being rude or degrading."

My comment about your attitude had/has nothing to do with your opinion of this cartridge.


Daniel
Austin, Texas

jocamp64
November 19, 2008, 06:50 PM
I would have thought this tread would have ended with a "yes, at a reasonable range".:confused:

jbech123
November 19, 2008, 08:54 PM
so you exact-o thread dissectors are saying that a 6.8 will not kill a deer as dead as any other centerfire?

With the right bullet placement and at close enough range, a 22lr will kill an elephant as dead as a 416 rigby. your point?
So if I'm hunting grandpa's beanfield and expect shots @400 yards or so, I'd go with a 270 or 7mag etc...but a 6.8 spc would work, it's just that you'd be handicapping yourself.

Art Eatman
November 21, 2008, 01:32 PM
An awful lot of the sillies in this thread.

Of course a 6.8 will ruin Bambi's day. Shoot him in the white spot like God intended: It's a lot less messy when you field-dress him.

30mag
November 21, 2008, 05:46 PM
Yay .30-06!

Seafarer12
November 21, 2008, 10:07 PM
I would have thought this tread would have ended with a "yes, at a reasonable range".

That would have been too easy.

ramacu
December 5, 2008, 05:51 PM
Can't we get along.
I thought this place about learning from each thru our experiences
with a certain guns ammo accessories.
Not to down grade someone just because you think you know it all.
I have read a bunch of stuff over at the 68forums.com
The information seems pretty straight forward.
There will never be a magic do all ammo caliber or rifle to do everything.
Each hunting situation is different.
And anyone that believe's they know everything about everything is just stupid.
Back up opions by facts proveable stuff not guessing but through personal hands on
Experience and not hearsay or a friend told me or that crap
Fine if someone thinks the 7.62 is better than a 6.8mmspc fine prove it
Don't start acting like a baby. Show me examples for or against.
I'm lookin to by a new upper reciever for my AR15 convince me.

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