Hi-Point Firearms

In my quest to find a new handgun for personal protection, I’ve come across a few handguns made by this company: http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/index.html

Anyone here have any experience with them?

Hi-Points are strange creatures. On one hand they are heavy, ugly, and the blowback operation makes them kick fairly hard (by autoloader standards). On the other hand they're dirt cheap, accurate, and they have a great warranty. I bought a used Hi-Point in .45 acp as a cheap fun gun, and its only had two failures to feed/fire, and both were on the same box of ammo. If you can deal with the fact that it makes a Glock look like a beauty queen, a Hi-Point is a fine but spartan firearm.

I just bought a HP .40 carbine, that I haven't had a chance to shoot yet. It's butt-ugly, and definitely low-tech, but I bought it because it was under $200, I've heard they're a LOT of fun, made in the USA, and have a lifetime warranty. I can't speak to how well it works yet, but I'm looking forward to wringing it out real good. I just wanted it for FUN, not hunting or s/d.

I'm a Hi-Point Owner, and proud of it. I've got the 995 Carbine and C-9, both in 9mm. Both were accurate out of the box, with minor adjustments. They go bang when the trigger is pulled, and have a lifetime warranty attached to the gun, and not the original owner.

Some people have had bad experience with them. Some have had good experience.

You say you're looking for self-defense. Would this be just for at home,something to throw in the car, or are you looking for concealed carry? The answer to that could affect your answer.

I personally have no problems relying on either for home defense, or throwing them in the car. But I wouldn't CCW a Hi-Point, though some qual'd with 'em.

Like Prepster said...

Ugly, cheap, unrefined... but not a bad gun. If you can spend a little more, you can get something like a Bersa .380 for around $200 or a Bersa 9mm for around $300. There's no telling what else you could find used for a reasonable price. I got a full size HS2000/XD9 for $200.

No personal experience here, but from what I hear... they are very effective by reputation. That's pretty impressive value for such a cheap gun. I once considered buying one as my first pistol. The guys at the range may make fun of you, but who cares, really? The guy at the gun shop will definitely try to talk you out of it.

These things are very heavy and are made of "cheap potmetal" whatever that means. I'm pretty sure a lot of AKs are the same bag. If it's reliable and lasts awhile, who cares?

They are definitely heavy and large and ugly. I've heard of some ergonomics issues. I would definitely want to try running 300-500 rounds with no issues before I trusted it.

I hear the lifetime warranty service is pretty good. Probably better than taurus.

Please take what I say with a grain of salt. I have never shot one... or even seen one in real life. All I know is internet conjecture. I would hate to advise you to buy one and then have it fail in a life threatening situation.

Iv heard just about everything bad under the sun about the hi-points - but its always from people who have never actually owned one - everyone i know that has addmitted to owning one really likes em - i have a friend who ended up buying one on a whim and liked it so well he bought three more - so i guess maybe you should listen to those who have actually owned one and see what they say -

I shot a HP in 9mm about eight years ago - that is the only experience i have had with these guns - but I remember being impressed - a friend's brother bought a used one and talked me into trying it - i remember thinking that it felt good in the hand and i didn't think the recoil was too bad either - and it was more accurrate the the S&W 9mm i was carrying at the time - so - yeah - i would give it a shot - as with any new gun - run several hundred through it before you carry it for self defense

The guy at the gun shop may very well try to talk you out of it... but then again, the guy at the gun shop tried to talk me out of my first Bersa and told me I should save twice as much and buy a used Glock instead.

I'm as happy as I can be with my two Bersas. I didn't want a Glock then, and I still don't want one now.

I saw a take down guide of one and it’s amazing to me that it can function, all sorts of little springs that look to me like they should belong in a pen. And they’re made out of pot metal and plastic.:scrutiny:

Anything that I read needs to be broken in by firing 500 shots scares me too.

And the gun is like a loaf of bread with a pistol grip on it.
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Buy a Norinco 1911 it may cost 2-3 times more, but they’re nice guns for the price, and you have a military grade gun.

I had a 995 Carbine. Nice little gun. I didn't care for the cocking lever that would keep coming unscrewed, even with Blue Loctite being used. So, it's on the Consignment Block.

They are nice accurate Carbines that are a lot of fun for the money.
Seems as if their warranty is pretty good too, but I didn't use it.

I have a C-9. No problems so far. If you can get past the looks it is a great gun for the money.

My past thoughts on hi point:banghead:
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Buying a gun is much like buying a tool. If its for just 1 job and you can toss it in the trash when you are done then High point is fine but dont expect it to last and/or work more than once.

On the other hand if you pride yourself in purchases and you need a tool that will last long enough to pass on to your children and/or its a multiple use or heavy duty use tool then spend the cash and buy a better line of product.

bottom line hi point was built and designed for one purpose to sell to those who cant afford kinda like buying christmas presents for your kids at the dollar store then wondering why they are all broken by newyears. I promiss you will be a lot happier with something else and for only a couple of hundred more.

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I have seen a bunch I have owned 6.
3 jamed every other round throught was burred really bad.
1 broke out right after 2 shots the trigger broke and was limp you could move it back and forth freely.
the mag realeas on one other one would not release the mag any more after 100 rounds.
and the sixth one worked.

I got dog'ed out in the other thread for what I said but I stand by it any way. Hipoint is junk 1 out of six guns worked they were all mine I kept taking them back for returns and kept getting another about to brake gun back did you see this 1 out of 6 worked

I therefore can not recomend one nor will ever own another infact the one I had got turned in on a police gun buy for a $50 walmart card money better spent.
Junk junk and junk you get what you pay for here I hate them and the folks that came up with them.

And for people that dont have money(in relation to the other thread) neither did I at the time so I saved for 8 months to get a quality 1911 see this againI saved for 8 months thats how you afford a gun.......rant off....sorry

Sorry but if you can just save even just $100 more than a hi-point costs you can get a beter quality gun. Just because its american made does not mean its good.

I only bash products that I beleive are bad not because I dont like them but because they are not reliable or of low quality.


My experience was when the company was new. Their products were poor then and the reputation carries on. Aparently they have reorganized the company and things are better now. However since I have better guns now, and because of prior poor experiences I will not give them a second chance.:mad:

You can find a used Ruger P89 on the net for sub$200 if you look. I'd take one of these over any HP ever created.

Youll be happier in the long run if you save a little more and get something with more quality. Ruger P's, Bersas, keltec, heck my taurus revolver never did me wrong NIB 240 so you have options...

I've never had a gun shop employee try to talk me out of anything. If I said "I want that Hi-Point" and the clerk told me "No you don't, it's junk" or something on that order, I'd ask "Well why do you carry it?"

When I bought my Hi-Point all I heard from the clerk was "Thank you for your business. Come back again." I bought a C-9, and it's been a decent gun. Well beter than decent really. It's jammed a couple of times, but I've shot the snot out of it trying to make it mess up. It just keeps on working. Nothing has broken or flown off it. It hasn't blown up, or ruined any of the other guns it's stored with. I can hit a target with it about the same as I can anything else I shoot, except a 22 maybe, but I can't blame the gun for any misses I don't think. I've actually cleaned it once, but it didn't really need it.

It's not a Colt, it's not a Glock, shoot it's not even a Bersa or a Kel-Tec, but for $139.00 back when I got it, it's pretty good. I've never found any of these other guns people say you can buy for "just a little more." Maybe you can, but it always seems the shops had them "yesterday" when I go looking for them.

I don't shoot my Hi-Point much anymore. I've got a few other guns I like more, but I'm going to keep it. When the Zombies come, somebody can cover the back door with it. :D

I looked at the Highpoint 380 a couple of weeks ago. I had the cash in my pocket and it was burning but when I pulled the trigger a couple of times it pinched my finger. Also It's the same size as the 9mm and I want something a little smaller in a 380 so I'm holding out until I find a Bersa that I like.

as a note, I have never owned a Hi Point, so this is all second-hand infomation.

Hi Point - Ugly, Large, but reliable and with a great warrenty. (lifetime no questions asked)

All this for a gun under $200 normally....

The best thing about Hi Point is that it really makes the "Ring of Fire" gun makers pointless. Why buy a Jimenez Firearms gun when at the same price you can get a much higher quality gun in a larger caliber.

From what I understand, they use steel when needed (for example, the barrel), Zinc alloy (AKA potmetal) on the parts that don't need the steel, and then top it off with encasing it in Polymer.

I know a lot of people think the Carbines are a hoot to shoot. ;)

Waiting for a Bersa is a good idea. They're almost universally loved by people who actually own them.

As for the finger pinching thing... yeah, it is a problem, but it's not unique to Highpoints. My new S&W 637 Airweight did that to me just yesterday. :) "Nice" guns can bite too.

Two words....search feature.

Thanks to everyone that has replied. My upper limit on price right now is about $500, so I don't have to go with the Hi-Point. I just don't wait to pay more than I have to for a good gun. I'll move the Hi-Points to about the middle of my list of potential guns and then see if I can't get a chance to really try one out.

I wouldn't wanna carry one on my hip, but a gun you brought is better than one sitting at home in the safe.

There are lots of used S&W 6-shot mod 10s in .38 special floating around, you might wanna take a gander at.

I'd rather have a Kel-Tec...and that ain't saying much.

Another brand to consider is Rock Island Armory, if you're by chance interested in a 1911 platform in .45 or .38 Super. I have three Rocks, and I'd heartily recommend them to anybody! Basic models are the GI, Tactical, and Compact, with minor variations. My Compact is my daily carry gun.

They're made in the Phillipines, but are excellent quality, and the US distributor stands behind them unconditionally. Made by Armscor, who also makes High Standard 1911's and until recently, Charles Daly's too.

Forgot to mention all their models are under $400 too, except the Match and Longslides.

I bought a Hi-Power in .45acp just to see how it was and to have a cheap .45 range gun. It's not bad, just real ugly and awkward. I do seem to get some "looks" at the range when shooting it but who cares. Also, if it jams/runs out of ammo, i''ll put it in my sock and swing for the fences.

I believe the best current value in a new and reliable self defense auto is the Ruger P95, which can be had for just over 3 bills.

Stay away from them. For jusst a bit more money you can buy a Ruger 95 which is 3 tomes the gun. You get what you pay for in this case.

Get it. You'll be happy. If for some odd reason you're not happy, sell it. The warranty transfers to the next owner, so they resell well.

BTW, if they were really unreliable junk guns, the company would go out of business making good on their lifetime warranty.

Mine has never jammed, never had any problems, and has been shot A LOT.

It ain't the cadillac of guns, more like a beat-up old jeep; not the flashiest or the one with all the extras, but you can take it anywhere and it will always perform.

eats anything you throw at it!

If your budget is 500 dollars, you can do SO much better than a Hi-Point. Hi-Points are good for what they are: reliable budget guns for those that can't afford better. They aren't ergonomic, they are heavy, they aren't even high capacity, but they do go bang when something goes bump in the night.

500 can get you a new Glock in some areas, a new S&W M&P, a new XD series, a new CZ-75. 500 will buy you a LOT of new gun. You just have to price it out.

500 will also buy you a lot of used guns as well, and get you some serious defensive ammo to go with them with change to take the lady out to dinner.

I've got a 995 carbine that is outstanding. Eveytime I shoot it at the range, at 35-50 yards, and knock the 10-ring completely out, everyone asks about it. It does have the ATI stock so it looks pretty good now too.

I used to have a c-9, and it was just as good. Not as accurate but out of about 5000 rounds I had about 5 failures, so completely acceptable to defend yourself with. It was big, blocky, had low capacity, and wasn't "cool", but it was a great shooter and for the money there isn't anything that compares to it.

I did end up trading it in after I got a couple other 9mm's and just stopped shooting it. I bought it about 8 years earlier for $125. I sent it back to the factory before I traded it in, they completely rebuilt it, got it back to me in ten days, and I got $100 on trade because it looked brand new. So I lost $25 on a gun with over 5000 rounds thru it. You can't beat that.




I have seen a bunch I have owned 6.
3 jamed every other round throught was burred really bad.
1 broke out right after 2 shots the trigger broke and was limp you could move it back and forth freely.
the mag realeas on one other one would not release the mag any more after 100 rounds.
and the sixth one worked.Puh-lease. What kind of moron buys 6 guns that did nothing but break and jam? I'm calling total B.S. on this one. Did you really expect anyone to believe this? This is a clear-cut case of bashing for bashing's sake.

"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me six times, and I probably wear a helmet to bed."-I think that was Confucius. I could be wrong.

Spend a little extra money and buy a quality firearm. Highpoints are cheap pistols that aren't designed to last.....Any pistol made out of Pot metal and cheap castings eventuality will fail.:barf:

There are plenty of affordable choices out there why would anybody trust one of these POS's???:scrutiny:'

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parisite, you owe me a keyboard.... ;)

The only one I ever saw in action was a Jam-o-matic.Some swear by them some at them.

Spend a little extra money and buy a quality firearm. Highpoints are cheap pistols that aren't designed to last.....Any pistol made out of Pot metal and cheap castings eventuality will fail.

There are plenty of affordable choices out there why would anybody trust one of these POS's???'Larry, ever owned one? I didn't think so. So your input is sheer opinion based on nothing. POS? Please. As I said earlier, I had over 5k thru one and it was still going strong. All guns eventually fail. But with my experience, that's pretty good round count for $125 bucks. Plus, after they rebuilt it, it was ready to go for another 5k at least.
Why would anyone trust one? Because they work, and someone on a limited budget who needs to defend themselves can buy a gun in a viable caliber for under $150.
If your budget is $500 bucks, yes, there are better choices. But if your budget is under $200, I don't think you can find anything comparable.

Ever notice the people who trash them never actually owned one themselves, but those who own them seldom have a complaint? Hmmm.

My father owned one of the Hi Point 9mm carbines, dead reliable, went bang every time and reasonably accurate. Of course, HP's customer service is unbeatable. Their handguns are huge and heavy, probably not good for CCW. I was going to buy one as a first handgun for a while, but held out for a little longer and bought a Sig P6.

I wouldn't feel undergunned with a Hi Point for HD.

KCshooter,

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I have seen a bunch I have owned 6.
3 jamed every other round throught was burred really bad.
1 broke out right after 2 shots the trigger broke and was limp you could move it back and forth freely.
the mag realeas on one other one would not release the mag any more after 100 rounds.
and the sixth one worked.

Puh-lease. What kind of moron buys 6 guns that did nothing but break and jam? I'm calling total B.S. on this one. Did you really expect anyone to believe this? This is a clear-cut case of bashing for bashing's sake.

Who are you to call someone else's experiences into play? I have experienced this phenomena with 7 Taurus firearms that were all crap. I have since stopped drinking their Kool-Aid.

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I have seen a bunch I have owned 6.
3 jamed every other round throught was burred really bad.
1 broke out right after 2 shots the trigger broke and was limp you could move it back and forth freely.
the mag realeas on one other one would not release the mag any more after 100 rounds.
and the sixth one worked.

Puh-lease. What kind of moron buys 6 guns that did nothing but break and jam? I'm calling total B.S. on this one. Did you really expect anyone to believe this? This is a clear-cut case of bashing for bashing's sake.

Like I have said before on the other hipoint threads, I paid for 1 gun. The store had a return policy. I used it. I turned in my broken guns and got a new one in return. I still had to do paper work.

The only bashing going on is you bashing me.

Who are you to call someone else's experiences into play?Who am I? Someone with enough common sense to give up long before the 7th bad gun.

So the store gave you a new gun each time, rather than sending it back for repair? Can't say I've ever heard of such a thing. I understand they'll send it back for you but giving you a new gun each time? Hmmm.

I recently got a H-P 4095 .40S&W carbine, and finally got to shoot it Friday. Dang thing eats the centers out of my targets, and I have to keep putting up new ones!

Never touched the sights, except to put a tiny piece of masking tape on the front post. Dead-on. Black sights, black targets, black background, 52-y.o. novice shooter with trifocals that can't see the sights clearly, shooting off-hand, and I still punched out one big hole in the targets.

No FTF's, no FTE's, no jams, no stovepipes, nothing broke, nothing fell off, fired everytime. $189.99 +tax.

I'm surprised at the number of positive responses. granted I've never owned one, always thought of them as gangsters guns, cheap junk for bustin' a cap in some dude when the dope deal goes bad. my gunsmith gets a box of them from time to time from the local Judge to sell. He usually ends up throwing them in the river as the only people interested in them around here are the obvious gangsters that walk around with their pants hanging halfway off. I may buy a couple for 15 bucks or so next time he gets some. Ought to be fun to throw some lead through if the pot metal slide doesn't break and hit me between the eyes

Well, I've never owned or even shot any of the Hi-Point handguns, but I do own a 995 carbine. My carbine doesn't eat the center of the target. It simply makes two holes in the center and then sends the remaining ammo through the two previously made holes. I'm very happy with my 995. It is a bit of a pain to field strip for cleaning, but other than that I have no complaints.

kcshooter
Larry, ever owned one? I didn't think so.
Your right I don't personally own one. But my brother does and every time we go to the range he can't get a full magazine to run through it.

So your input is sheer opinion based on nothing. POS? Please. As I said earlier, I had over 5k through one and it was still going strong. All guns eventually fail. But with my experience, that's pretty good round count for $125 bucks. Plus, after they rebuilt it, it was ready to go for another 5k at least.
I have a Colt 1903 that was made in 1927 that has gone thru WWII, Korea with my Grandfather, Vietnam with my dad and thru Desert Storm with me. It has well over 25K rounds through it and it hasn't need to be rebuilt and it still shoots great today. You asked for comments so I supplied one.:D

Why would anyone trust one? Because they work, and someone on a limited budget who needs to defend themselves can buy a gun in a viable caliber for under $150.
Like I said earlier and others have said more times than not they don't work.:barf:

If your budget is $500 bucks, yes, there are better choices. But if your budget is under $200, I don't think you can find anything comparable.
1927 Colt Sistemas and several other used guns from better manufactures can be had for less than $300.....:rolleyes:


Ever notice the people who trash them never actually owned one themselves, but those who own them seldom have a complaint? Hmmm.
Thats because most people are embarrassed to admit they own one....:neener:

I've already said it, but it bears repeating... if your budget is under $200, then Hi-Point is not your only option by any means.

I got my Bersa Thunder 380 (almost universally praised by anybody who has owned one) for under $200. Mine was used, but you can get new and like-new ones for under $250.

I got my HS2000/XD9 for $200 used from a private seller.

HiPoint: Cheap, durable, big, heavy, low cap magazines.

Heavy slide, makes it soak up recoil.
You might get a slide bite when you first shoot it.

If your budget is tight, it beats a baseball bat for home defense.
Sure, there are better guns that cost a bit more, but there are worse guns that cost a bit more than that.

The ones I shot were no prom queens but were reliable and accurate enough. You can find used C9's for $75 if you look around. A family member owns one, and has yet to have a problem and he shoots it regularly.

Great for trunk guns, holdouts stashed here and there, and for giving the neighbors when the Zombie Apocalpyse hits.

If you want a regular gun for many purposes & on a budget, I would investigate a Springfield XD, a Sig P6, Ruger "P" series (And I saw a P85 in 98% for $199 recently).

G.A Pster, incidently how many rounds do you run through a gun before you carry it anyway?

Personally my Norinco 1911A1c had at least 10 boxes of FMJ and a couple of boxes of CorBon and then had some gunsmithing done on it and then some more shooting before I carried it.......

KBK

Who am I? Someone with enough common sense to give up long before the 7th bad gun.

So the store gave you a new gun each time, rather than sending it back for repair? Can't say I've ever heard of such a thing. I understand they'll send it back for you but giving you a new gun each time? Hmmm.


Yes but will you give up before your 7th bad post?:confused:

Just because you have never heard of it does not mean it does not happen.:banghead:

You call plenty of folks out on all sorts of stuff which you assume to be wrong and I have to say you are quite obsessive with it. If you dont like what you read then read somthing else. Its what most others do.:neener:

kcshooter,

Who am I? Someone with enough common sense to give up long before the 7th bad gun.

Point of clarification here. This wasn't for the same gun, or same model. But for the same manufacturer. I have owned the following Taurus products:
PT22, PT145, PT745 in the autos and for revolvers: 2 Gauchos, a 905, and a 94. I liked the price points, the styling, and some of the innovation they offered, but they couldn't work reliably. I have sworn off Taurus. If someone has had a similar experience with another manufacturer, why try to "take them to the woodshed?" I will repeat my question: who are you to question someone else's experiences?

So the store gave you a new gun each time, rather than sending it back for repair? Can't say I've ever heard of such a thing. I understand they'll send it back for you but giving you a new gun each time? Hmmm.
See above for my clarification.

They're like any other firearm. Some will be good, some will be bad.

A big criteria when selecting a pistol is of course its use. And if defense(and therefore carrying) is a big thing, then maybe a Hi-Point isn't for you. On the other hand, if my budget is $500 I could either buy 1 "better" gun and a little ammo, or a "cheap" gun and lots of ammo. If they both go bang when I pull the trigger, and put holes in paper, why do I necessarily need better??

I don't really think its fair to call them crap as an absolute, since you could probably find someone who has had a bad experience with every gun manufacturer out there.

I agree with the others that said spend a little more money and get something a lot better made. A used Ruger or police trade in S&W might be just the ticket.

only one I ever seen was many many moons ago and was a burner or a throw away if you will and as I understood{didnt touch the damn thing myself lol} it wouldnt make it but 3 or 4 shots untill it failed to feed

I did a thread on the Hi-Point a while back, titled, "The Little Carbine that Could":

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=260324&highlight=Carbine

Doc2005

I just got a 4095 carbine in .40 S&W, and posted this report on another forum.....

Finally got to shoot it Friday, and as I reported in the "Hi-Point reliability" thread, it seems to be a good-un. Considering I can barely see the sights with my worthless glasses, black sights against a black target, against a black backstop, I don't think this is bad shooting at all. Definitely minute o' beer can.

Yes, it sho' be ugly, but it seems to shoot just fine, didn't give me a single problem. Didn't have to touch the sights at all, but I did stick a tiny piece of masking tape on the front post so I could see it. Can't wait for the BSA red-dot sight to arrive, should increase the fun factor significantly.

1st target, 50 rounds of handloads, 7 yards, 16 yards, and 10 yards.

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2nd target, 50 rounds of handloads, all at 10 yards.

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And it's ugly self.....not bad for $189.99.

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I have shot the hi point 9mm carbine. It wasnt zeroed to the scope on it but i was able to walk the rounds into the target easily. I saw some one flunk a qualification with a hipoint 9mm The rangemaster blamed the short 3 in barrel on the hipoint, but coulda been the shooter, who knows.

If you can afford 500 then you have a lot of options. Main thing is to rent/borrow guns and just see what you like. ( Or what likes you ) I have a Glock, and Ruger used for 500 or less and have qualified and carried both of these guns. Revolver vs Semi is a never ending debate but both are good if you understand them. .357 mag is especially good because you shoot both 38 special and 357 mag from the same gun. Also with a revolver you can tell if it is loaded bye looking at the cylinder ( the case heads show ). Have fun with your new gun.

Me, personally, I have no shortage of GOOD quality guns. I just wanted one of these cheap H-P carbines for a can shooter, and to see what the fuss was about. I'm also a brass-scrounging packrat, and needed something to shoot all the .40 brass that I find with.

my c-9 has worked flawlessly from day one, I wouldn't hesitate to grab it for self defense, I get funny looks at the range, and smile when it hits in the same small circle as my ruger p-89 every time, at the our 25 yrd pistol range.

But my brother does and every time we go to the range he can't get a full magazine to run through it.Soo, why hasn't he sent it back yet?? Obviously with the few random complaints about quality, you haven't seen anyone say anything bad about customer service, so why wouldn't he send it in? Doesn't seem to make much sense that someone would continue to try to shoot a gun that wouldn't feed when that gun has a lifetime warranty, does it? Like I said, mine was gone 10 days. Common sense should lead to the easy solution here...

1927 Colt Sistemas and several other used guns from better manufactures can be had for less than $300Twice the price of a hi point. Not easy for every working Joe with a family. Especially in today's economy.

Like I said earlier and others have said more times than not they don't workMore times than not?? Seems there are only a handful of complaints vs the multitude of compliments in every hi point thread, and as I said, most of the complaints are those who's "brother" or "friend" had one, and it was crap....
Looks like they most likely have a bad one pop out every now and then. Just like every single other manufacturer.

granted I've never owned one, always thought of them as gangsters guns,and as I understood{didnt touch the damn thing myself lol} it wouldnt make it but 3 or 4 shots untill it failed to feedI don't personally own one. But my brother does I saw a take down guide of one and it’s amazing to me that it can function See what I mean?


Yes but will you give up before your 7th bad post?Why should I? You sure didn't!
You call plenty of folks out on all sorts of stuff which you assume to be wrong and I have to say you are quite obsessive with it.Seems most of the time I've called someone out on giving wrong or false info, eric f, it was you. Like a few days ago when you said Colt no longer makes 1911's. Or that in-spec 1911's won't shoot JHP ammo. Stop posting incorrect info, I'll stop correcting you. Deal?

Point of clarification here. This wasn't for the same gun, or same model. But for the same manufacturer. I have owned the following Taurus products:
PT22, PT145, PT745 in the autos and for revolvers: 2 Gauchos, a 905, and a 94. I liked the price points, the styling, and some of the innovation they offered, but they couldn't work reliablyOh, well that makes it better. I still think I'd have learned my lesson about 5 guns earlier.


As I said, in response to the original poster, for the $500 you have to spend you can find a nicer gun that shoots better, but for $150, you most likely can't.

Agreed. Please read the following quote from Hi-Point's splash page:

The Hi-Point of Service:
Damage, age, and plain old wear and tear—these things happen. When they do, Hi-Point customers enjoy a lifetime, no questions asked warranty. And lifetime means just that— free repairs for the life of the gun, whether you are the first owner, or the third. That service is fast, friendly and expertly performed. Your Hi-Point will be back in action, good as new, in no time.

That is what I call commitment to service. No matter if you are the original buyer, or the 100th...your Hi-Point is covered, for life...for 10 lifetimes. :cool:

kcshooter
Soo, why hasn't he sent it back yet?? Obviously with the few random complaints about quality, you haven't seen anyone say anything bad about customer service, so why wouldn't he send it in? Doesn't seem to make much sense that someone would continue to try to shoot a gun that wouldn't feed when that gun has a lifetime warranty, does it? Like I said, mine was gone 10 days. Common sense should lead to the easy solution here...
I'm not him, So I can't answer that question for you. As far as him continuing to shoot it I don't know either as I'm not sure he owns it anymore. Since he bought a CZ.

Blah!

I'll stop correcting you. Deal?
yeah sure you will

So far it just this thread you are calling 3 diffrent people either liars or idiots in one way or another. I find your confrontational attitude most distasteful and unfit for THR. Your type would be better off at glocktalk please I encourage you to take up residence else where.

Larry Starling,

This was part of my original post:
If your budget is $500 bucks, yes, there are better choices. But if your budget is under $200, I don't think you can find anything comparable.
You responded with:
1927 Colt Sistemas and several other used guns from better manufactures can be had for less than $300.....

Serious question, where are you finding 1927 Sistemas for under 300 bucks? I had one and mistakenly sold it off. I'd LOVE to get one of these again. If you have a local source, I would be in your debt!

Thanks!

KC Shooter,

Quote:
Point of clarification here. This wasn't for the same gun, or same model. But for the same manufacturer. I have owned the following Taurus products:
PT22, PT145, PT745 in the autos and for revolvers: 2 Gauchos, a 905, and a 94. I liked the price points, the styling, and some of the innovation they offered, but they couldn't work reliably

Oh, well that makes it better. I still think I'd have learned my lesson about 5 guns earlier.

What can I say, I liked the style, price points, and innovation offered by Taurus at the time. I figured that it was time to put the Kool-Aid down. At least I can say that I have sampled a good part of Taurus's product line.

In my informal shooting group (We call ourselves 'The Cheap Galoots') we have most of the Hi-Point models owned by someone in the group.

Pig-Butt-stuck-in-a-mud-fence-ugly??? Oh yeah. But they go Bang! every time,or Hi-Point fixes it free, and those firearms put the lead where you aim. For any sub-$250 new gun, whether pistol or carbine, what more can you ask ? ? ? ?

OK, OK..I want Hi-Point to release the .45ACP carbine...my whine for today.

tinygnat219
Serious question, where are you finding 1927 Sistemas for under 300 bucks? I had one and mistakenly sold it off. I'd LOVE to get one of these again. If you have a local source, I would be in your debt!
My local dealer got several in and has been asking $250-299 for them. Most have been refinished. I bought one and it cleaned up well and has been 100% reliable. I will be going back on Thursday and I will check and see if he still has some available.

These threads are all the same. Some love, some hate, everyone argues.

I'd say, try to rent one from a local range if possible. If not, try to find someone who owns one that will let you fire it. You'll never know if you like a particular firearm until you have used one.

As for me, my dad has two Hi-Points - a .45ACP and a .380, and since we frequent the range together, I have shot those many times. They are heavy, clunky, ugly and initially had horrible trigger. However, they went bang every time and were accurate. (It should be noted that there was a feed problem with the .45 that was remedied by polishing the tabs on the top of the magazine.)

I would say that the Hi-Points are a best buy in sub $150 hand guns, but you get what you pay for. I own Taurus firearms have have never been unhappy with them (despite the bad reviews I've read) and I own a Remmington 579
.22LR that I have been very happy with (despite the bad reviews I've read).

My advice is to find out for yourself and don't put too much into other's opinions. It's worked for me. :)

On one thread on High Points, a poster wrote that they were "complete crap", "unreliable", "worthless", then stated that he would never own one, never had owned one, and never had even seen one.

Talk about the power of suggestion.

Jim

As I said earlier, I had over 5k thru one and it was still going strong. All guns eventually fail. But with my experience, that's pretty good round count for $125 bucks. Plus, after they rebuilt it, it was ready to go for another 5k at least.

Let me run a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation.

I shoot at local steel matches once a week. Let's assume the count for four stages is 75 rounds which is then multiplied by four weeks, giving a total of 300 rounds a month.

Further, I shoot at least two action-oriented pistol matches each month. For these, assume that each match is about 120 rounds, for a total of 240 rounds a month.

This gives me a rough round count of 540 rounds a month* or 6,480 rounds a year.

If the average Hi-Point needs to be sent back for refurbishment every 5,000 rounds, then that means I'd have to send the weapon back to the factory every 9.25 months.

Ever notice the people who trash them never actually owned one themselves, but those who own them seldom have a complaint? Hmmm.


Not to be a jerk, or anything, but frankly I don't need to own one to see that it is a weapon that quite plainly doesn't serve my needs in the least.

For someone of extremely limited means who needs a weapon that they can load and place in the drawer of a nightstand, with the intention of only shooting it once in a great while, the Hi-Point is better than nothing, but frankly I fail to understand the cultish mentality of Hi-Point adherents.




*Note that I am not including rounds fired that are less easily counted- eg practice on my own time, competitions that are only attended sporadically (the occasional 3-Gun match) or wear and tear from dry-firing.

And perhaps as a gun for use in competetions, it might not be the best. And it might not be a gun you need in your inventory. But why does that make it a crap gun?

And I'm not talking about "I can't afford 'better' to defend myself so I'll buy a Hi-Point".

I bought my Hi-Point as a range gun. To go to the range and have fun.

So lets see.... it goes bang when I pull the trigger. Is accurate. And was under $200. And if people talk about hunting around for used firearms for a similar price, well I could probably hunt around and find a Hi-Point for under $100.

So having said that what more does it need? A "Hi-Cap" magazine? Well it came with an 8-rounder and I can purchase 10-round mags for it. For my purposes, that suits me fine. I don't need a 33-round magazine to blow all my ammo in the first shooting session.

So I have a range gun. And a gun that if needed I wouldn't hesitate to put my faith in to defend myself.

So this "cheaply made craptastic" suits my needs just find. So I fail to understand why I need to shell out more cash for a supposedly "better" gun, when I can use that money for ammo.

Its all about personal preference.

So far it just this thread you are calling 3 diffrent people either liars or idiots in one way or another. Don't put words in my mouth, son. Not three, just one. I find your confrontational attitude most distasteful and unfit for THR. Your type would be better off at glocktalk please I encourage you to take up residence else where.Glad your opinion holds so much weight. Fortunately, your previous postings speak for you.What can I say, I liked the style, price points, and innovation offered by Taurus at the timeI can understand that. I've got a pt99 that's actually been outstanding, but I'd be hesitant to try every firearm in their lineup myself also.My local dealer got several in and has been asking $250-299 for them. Odd, thats at least a hundred bucks off any one I've seen around here or even on gunbroker for years. Nor have I seen "several" 1927 sistema's in one dealers inventory.I shoot at local steel matches once a week. Let's assume the count for four stages is 75 rounds which is then multiplied by four weeks, giving a total of 300 rounds a month.

Further, I shoot at least two action-oriented pistol matches each month. For these, assume that each match is about 120 rounds, for a total of 240 rounds a month.

This gives me a rough round count of 540 rounds a month* or 6,480 rounds a year.

If the average Hi-Point needs to be sent back for refurbishment every 5,000 rounds, then that means I'd have to send the weapon back to the factory every 9.25 months.Please read a bit closer. I never said mine failed or was broke.
You're obviously the typical shooter. Nobody said anything about these being great for competitions. I said a couple times that for someone on a limited budget, you can't find anything comparable for the price.
And do you shoot all 6500 rounds out of one gun? I shoot competitions too, and shoot about 1200rds a month. I do this thru quite a few different guns though, not just one.
When I sent the hi point back at 5000 rounds, it wasn't because it was broken or not working, it was because I was planning to trade it in and I knew they would make it look pretty good. I had no plan on it looking brand spankin new like it did when it got back to me though.
My carbine has over 10,000 rounds thru it, and it's never seen the factory or even a gunsmith. I don't even field strip it, to be honest, I clean it with a brush and swab, spray out the action, and put it away.
As for cultish mentality, my annoyance here is that almost every single poster who trashed them stated in their trashing post they they never owned one, shot one, touched one, but their friend/brother/buddy did, or even just looked at exploded diagrams, and they were crap.

Unexperienced opinions mean squat.

COMPNOR hit it on the head, in my opinion. They're great for just FUN guns! I wouldn't buy one for carry duty, home defense duty, competition, or any other serious gun duties, but what's wrong with buying a cheap gun just for FUN shooting? Why can't anybody else grasp that? Doesn't anybody else just do FUN shooting? Like water-filled soda cans, plastic jugs, water balloons, etc.?

Jeez, lighten up people! If you don't WANT one, don't BUY one. Simple as that. No need for this constant spewing of hatred and opinions of disgust about the brand, and treating others like idiots because they had the gall to buy what YOU consider to be an inferior product.

If my H-P carbine shoots accurately and lasts forever, well, goody-goody! If it blows up in my face, I guess I learned a lesson. But myself and all other H-P owners don't need to be constantly looked down on, give it a rest, willya?

And, Oh My God, I own three Rock Island 1911's too. AND a 70-year old Mosin/Nagant rifle. Guess I'm seriously stupid, huh? Somebody save me from myself!

kcshooter
Odd, thats at least a hundred bucks off any one I've seen around here or even on gunbroker for years. Nor have I seen "several" 1927 sistema's in one dealers inventory.
Whats so odd about it. I'm not in your area and my local dealer didn't say where he got them from. I personally don't care if you seen any for that price or not. I bought one and I know what I paid for it. Unless you work for Visa and have access to my account don't question what I paid for a pistol. I don't have a need or a desire to prove anything to you. And FWIW Lipseys was importing several last year and infact they were asking well below 300 for them. So before you accuse some one of something you need to check your facts.:scrutiny:

Recently Gander Mountain has been selling them for $250.:fire:.....

Here is a link if you since you don't believe me which I personally could care less about...;)
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=35769&highlight=sistemas

And do you shoot all 6500 rounds out of one gun? Yeah why not?
When I sent the hi point back at 5000 rounds, it wasn't because it was broken or not working, it was because I was planning to trade it in and I knew they would make it look pretty good. I had no plan on it looking brand spankin new like it did when it got back to me though Thats kinda like trading in a Chevett with a new paint job isnt it? I'm glad you got the extra $2 for that trade in with a nice new bright paint job
My carbine has over 10,000 rounds thru it, and it's never seen the factory or even a gunsmith. .HEY! look you ran more than 6500 through a gun
Unexperienced opinions mean squat.
they sure do! and by the way I dont beleive I am your son.

Todd Jerrett at one point was running more than 1k a week on 1 gun just for practice thats 52k per year.

Off topic but this caught my eye. This is one serious ammo budget.

Off topic but this caught my eye. This is one serious ammo budget. Thats called sponsors. I have had the privilage of shooting matches with him several times. That was in the early to mid 90's though and thats about when IDPA really picked up and IPSC droped out of the area.

Hi-Point is the Kia of the firearms world. They're ugly and crude but they seem to work and come with an exceptional warranty - however, you still won't get any respect with one. :)

At $200? Everybody owes it to themselves to look at/consider a Bersa or CZ vz.82 instead.

Yeah why not? you claim you did with your carbine. Contradicting yourself is fun isnt it? Also look at the Brian Enos site there are plenty of high round count guns people have over there. Todd Jerrett at one point was running more than 1k a week on 1 gun just for practice thats 52k per year.How have I contradicted myself? I never said my carbine was my only gun that I use in competitions. I never said it was ever used in competitions. I was clarifying that my return of the pistol to hi point had nothing to do with the gun failing, it was still just fine after the 5000 rounds I put thru it, and Justin's 6500rds yearly wouldn't result in him having to return it at that point. There was no wear noticeable, but it looked like a 6 year old gun with 5000 rounds thru it before I sent it off and brand new when it came back. Are you having literacy issues? What does Todd Jarrett have to do with anything?? Could you try to keep up?

Thats kinda like trading in a Chevett with a new paint job isnt it? I'm glad you got the extra $2 for that trade in with a nice new bright paint jobAgain, a literacy issue. Read my post. I said I bought it 6 years prior for $125. I traded it in after 6 years and over 5k rounds and got $100 in trade value! How is that a bad thing?? What is your problem?
HEY! look you are contradicting your self. If no one has mentioned it to you, The carbine has always had a better reputation their pistolsAhh, another literacy issue. You keep using the word "contradicting", I don't think you know what it means. My point was there isn't a set round count for failure. Neither of my hi points ever failed or needed repair. Again, try to keep up.

but this does not explain my experience with them I owned 6 remember that post how do you explain that?Another literacy issue. Wow, publik edyukashun? Please read it again. I said "almost every single poster". Your "experience" doesn't become excluded by my statement. (Your statements, however, are a whole different story...)

How do you explain the couple of dozen I returned over a 3 year period when I worked at a gun shop?Two points here. Just a couple dozen thru a gun shop in 3 years doesn't sound like thats proof every gun they ever sold was junk. Two, you were a gun shop employee. You sound like one. I should have known.


Unexperienced opinions mean squat.

they sure do!Yes, agreed, they do. Again, note my opinions are all based on my personal experience with these guns.

The company was new and these were out of the first few months of production,So you are admitting that while they may have gotten a rough start, after they have been in business now for, what, 12 years or more, they may be producing better quality guns than the first few hundred? I mean, they ARE still in business, with a warranty on every gun they've ever made, so I can't imagine every one gets returned 6 times like yours allegedly did.


Eric_F it is obvious at this point your problem is specifically with me. If you'd like to take this out of the public forum, that would be fine, it would keep everyone from having to sort thru your posts where you simply try (unsuccesfully) to insult and berate me. Especially since you just aren't making much sense anymore. However, if you do respond, please try to make sure your responses are congruent with my posts.

I'd look into the Rugers or Rock Armory pistols...rather than the hi-points. The construction is just not good for CCW, and like everyone here says: "Wear your gun." If you can't carry it, and it's your only gun, that's no good.

The rifle though I recommend unconditionally. I have the 9mm with a red dot sight on it - which, by the way, really "balances out" the looks of it and makes it more attractive - and every time I take it to the range I get complimented for tearing out the bullseye at 30 yards in less than 5 seconds (11 shots) easily, over and over.

It's a work horse gun. Property duty, targets, cans, home defense on a budget, small game hunting (squirrels, rabbits, coyotes, does if it's legal) - it excels.

Plus there's an amazing warranty, so even if you basically know nothing about guns and make a really stupid mistake (like shooting past a squib load) you can get everything replaced for free.

copper4262, parataxis much?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parataxis

Conwict, Pics or it never happened.

Seriously, I'd like to see a HS carbine with a RedDotSight

KBK

This forum is just being cantankerous - it won't let me even click the pic button, so I'll try tinypic.

Also, I was going to try several different shots and see which I liked best, but the cam ran out of battery after the first, which looks like something that belongs on myspace.

http://i34.tinypic.com/eve4r6.jpg

This isn't mine, it's a member's on another forum. It's a Hi-Point 995 carbine, 9mm, with an ATI stock, muzzle brake/compensator, and an unknown brand of red-dot sight. I don't think ATI makes stocks for the .40 carbines though.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/HP995mods.jpg

Well I guess its time to be high road here.

Too bad others cant:neener:

Cool thanks.

How high off the bore is that sight? Can you get a good cheek weld with it?

Rondog, looks like a Tasco :) The stock looks like a Beretta Storm carbine stock, is it meant to? That guy give any info on how well that stock shoot?

Sorry for the thread Hijack, but it's more fun than listening to people argue semantics, are there "high capacity" mags available for the HS Carbines?

KBK

Kayback - like I said, that's not my gun, so I don't know any details.

I don't know if the ATI stock is supposed to replicate a Beretta stock, but that may be.

I also don't know about any hi-cap mags for them, but I don't think the grip is big enough for fat mags, they'd probably have to be long mags.

And yes, the arguing between those two knuckleheads that just gotta have the last word with each other is very boring. I don't know why it's allowed to continue.

And FWIW, we're on our second KIA, and we've been very happy with them! First was a minivan, now we have a Sorento SUV, and it's been great. Nothing ugly about it.

Nope, I'm done.

Kayback, the only hi-caps for the carbines was for 9mm and made by promag. They were reputed to have serious feeding issues. I never tried them.

Ah, thanks

KBK

classicarms.us has a good deal going on the HP carbine, you get something like 3 mags and a butt pouch for $210, maybe more extras...