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cajun47
July 25, 2008, 05:19 AM
my friend and i meet a "cop" at cabelas who said they had a bunch of glocks that would break.....or maybe lots of serious malfunctions. i don't remember his exact words.

i bought a glock 19 about 6 months ago and my friend bought one a few weeks ago. should we be worried? if this is true there should be something about it on the net. links?

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Browns Fan
July 25, 2008, 08:02 AM
Dude! Dont tell me that, I just bought my first Glock! A 19, 200 rds at IDPA matches, and so far, it's been great!

Nautilus
July 25, 2008, 08:21 AM
in the last 6-7 months I have bought a Glock 19 & 21SF. Both have over 1000 rounds through them without a single problem.

Eric F
July 25, 2008, 08:23 AM
Should have bought a quality hicap 1911!:neener:

CountGlockula
July 25, 2008, 10:48 AM
False report.

Things to consider:
Which generation Glocks were they issued or how old are their Glocks?
Do they clean their Glocks?
What ammo are they using?

Both my G35 and G23 have gone through 7K+ rounds and they're not broken.

Psywarrior13
July 25, 2008, 10:55 AM
Do they clean their Glocks?

What? you mean taking care of your weapon helps it last longer and have fewer malfunctions???

The questions that the Count brought up are definitely critical pieces of information that need to be taken into account.

You take care of your weapon, it will take care of you

jbird714
July 25, 2008, 10:56 AM
Maybe if they are dropping them from the SWAT teams rapelling tower a few times before they issue them. Barring that, I'd say BULL!
Any item made by man can break, but for many new guns to be breaking is highly unlikely without Glock stepping up and pulling them off the shelves.
My older 21 (1st gen) has over 20 thousand rounds without malfunction, 23 (3rd gen) has over 10 thousand rounds without malfunction. My new 21 (3rd gen) is still a baby, only 1000 rds through it so far, not even broken in.

Jay

jon_in_wv
July 25, 2008, 10:59 AM
I'm not a Glock fanboy and Glocks have problems and malfunctions like any other weapon BUT I would say the Glocks are the LEAST prone to problems and have proven themselves very reliable over the years. Cops are also a notoriously bad source for gun info. Most cops aren't gun nuts and I've known many over the years that couldn't even tell you anything about their own weapon. Unless you know he is a reputable source I wouldn't worry too much.

Ltlabner
July 25, 2008, 11:13 AM
i bought a glock 19 about 6 months ago and my friend bought one a few weeks ago. should we be worried? if this is true there should be something about it on the net. links?

Are you normally worried by antidotal reports from one cop (who you apparently weren't even sure was a cop) you met at a store?

You have access to the same interent and search feature here at THR we have. If there are mass stories of recient Glock issues you should be able to find them as easily as we can.

Sorry to be such an ass about it, but you are able to find the answer to this "question" as well as we can.

JDGray
July 25, 2008, 11:31 AM
Do they clean their Glocks?


Great point! A leo friend of mine can't remember the last time he cleaned his G22. Just because they carry guns, don't make them gun guys. Alot of cops could care less about their weapon, just as long as they can qualify with it.

I've pumped many thousands of rounds through my Glocks over the years, and I've yet to have a failure.

CountGlockula
July 25, 2008, 01:40 PM
One thing to consider also, that a good handful of LEOs treat their equipment as is....A JOB.

The ones that are passionate about their weapon, like us here at THR, take time getting to know our guns. Some may see it as a "burden", rather than a joy or passion.

NG VI
July 25, 2008, 01:48 PM
Not mine, my little 27 is running perfectly!

thegoodfight
July 25, 2008, 02:35 PM
yeah that's BS

BattleChimp Potemkin
July 25, 2008, 03:05 PM
You met a "cop" in Cabelas? What does "cop" mean?

Maybe through misuse or poorly loaded ammunition (alot of PD use reloaded ammo like HSM or Ultramax for training) will a Glock get beat up bad, particularly in .40. Thats a high pressure cartridge anyway and immediantly raises my eyebrow when someone mentions manufacturer reloaded ammo for training (though not mentioned here). I think there is a lot of things are wrong with the statement, however, maybe there are alot of circumstances colliding to form this man's view of Glocks.

Ask your friend what type of ammo are they using for practice AND carry (carry ammo does get used occasionally during practice).

doc2rn
July 25, 2008, 03:10 PM
My Glock 32 KB'd but it was due to ammo, (avoid Speer Lawman .357 Sig). Glock warranty covers zero! Shipping and repair cost me $339!

Tecolote
July 25, 2008, 03:55 PM
One time at a local shop a "cop" was going on about how SIG slides crack after a couple of mags. I asked what agency he worked for but it turns out he wasn't LEO but armored car security. When I asked his source of info he said he heard about it "on the internets." I make it a point of searching quality forums like THR whenever I want to get the real scoop.

jocko
July 25, 2008, 04:58 PM
tecolote:

You have said it all here my friend.
THE INTERNET is never wrong, we must all believe what we read on the internet, for after all it is the internet it is never wrong..Seen a few trolls come over on other gun forums just to stir and negate that product.

3pairs12
July 25, 2008, 05:01 PM
here we ago again glocks breaking. geesh. it is a machine some break some don't. i know people with 3rd generation glocks with countless rounds through them.

Seven High
July 25, 2008, 06:54 PM
If you do some research on the internet, you will find that the Indiana State Police rejected approximately 1200 Glock 22s that were to be issued to the troops. They suffered from repeated failure to feed malfunctions. They ended up trading the 22s for 17s. The 17s are working quite well. Other police departments subsequently reported similar results with the Glock 22 models.

DWARREN123
July 25, 2008, 06:55 PM
I have purchased 2 Glocks over the past 8 months and the only problem they have is that ammo has gone up and they like to shoot. Around 2,500 thru both since purchased (G23-G27).:D

stevereno1
July 25, 2008, 08:02 PM
"my friend and i meet a "cop" at cabelas who said they had a bunch of glocks that would break.....or maybe lots of serious malfunctions. i don't remember his exact words."

says the S&W salesman.

kc5jsr
July 25, 2008, 08:53 PM
Actually, I never had a problem qualifying, had to every six months. As far as "could care less", well I guess I could have, But I didn't, Thank God.
The way I see it, I used to go out there 5 sometimes 6 days a week and put My life on the line, and if you think all I, or any other "cop" is worried about is qualifying, put on a badge and see where your priorities are.
Don't get me wrong, I've been shot, and learning how to keep My Weapon clean is probably why I'm still here, besides, God has other plans for Me.
Most Peace Officers are very dedicated and take pride in their job, however, it only takes one to spoil the Barrel.

73'
John C.

Bartkowski
July 25, 2008, 08:57 PM
I don't know anything about glocks and changes that might have been made, but I call BS. Sounds like someone doesn't like glocks to me.

The Lone Haranguer
July 25, 2008, 09:10 PM
my friend and i meet a "cop" at cabelas who said they had a bunch of glocks that would break.....or maybe lots of serious malfunctions. i don't remember his exact words.

:scrutiny: :yawn:

Seriously, I would want a little more corroboration than that.

strangelittleman
July 25, 2008, 11:50 PM
Cabelas, Bass Pro Shops are **** magnets.

240SX
July 26, 2008, 12:24 AM
Get yourself a CZ, they don't break like that (maybe because they have a steel frame vs polly). Hmmmm.

33-805
July 26, 2008, 12:39 AM
I have owned and still own a number of Glocks in different models/calibers that are various ages, the newest being purchased late in 2007. I have carried them for work guns and trained with them quite a bit. I carry one now as a personal protection piece. I have heard of some agencies having trouble, but I have never personally observed any Glock breaking. Sure, it can/could happen. As has been stated, anything mechanical and manmade can break.

Glocks have never broken for me. Indeed, I cannot remember any malfunctions that were not due to ammo (a dead primer is a dead primer no matter the gun). I cannot say that of most of the numerous other brands I have owned and used. Therefore, I carry Glocks and will be very comfortable doing so until something better comes along.

Now, as for someone in a store having a loud opinion etc. There is a creature (closely analogous to the Mall Ninja) that seems to be at work in the original post. That is the dreaded "gunshop commando". They are not rare, unfortunately, but they are easy to spot. Broad, sweeping opinions backed up by nebulous history and vague sources mark their speech. Beware.......

240SX
July 26, 2008, 03:09 AM
What ever dude. Just trying to help, CZ got the good old steel frame vs Glock's polly. Perhaps this has something to do with their "BREAKING."

And my screen name is 240SX, not "mall ninja." I can't help the fact that you all are stuck on these guns. As I may have mentioned, I was going to purchase a Glock 23 for my ever growing handgun collection, but now I see the light. Forget about Glocks, there are better built firearms out there.

Disaster
July 26, 2008, 06:07 AM
The only issue I've read about new Glocks was with the 10mm's. There seems to be a molding problem and cracks have formed on some frames around where the insert goes. I've not read of any frames failing...just having cracks.

Tberger688
July 26, 2008, 05:32 PM
BS, my 19 is a great gun!

Lashlarue
July 26, 2008, 06:58 PM
Glock 19s are NYPD issue weapons and they have been having some mysterious problems http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/phase3.html

33-805
July 27, 2008, 02:04 AM
240sx,
Read my post. Nothing in it was directed at you. Not sure how you got that it was. I clearly am referring to the "cop" in the original post by cajun47 when I mention "mall ninjas" and "gunshop commandos" running their mouths in stores. This relates directly to the original post. Again, re-read my post and the original post, understand them, and then try not to take personally those posts that have absolutely nothing to do with you.

I hope you do enjoy your CZ and continue to have great luck with it. Stick with what you know and like. That's why they make more than one brand of gun.

tinroad37e
July 27, 2008, 08:53 AM
I'll take my poly Glock over a CZ anyday. The reason you hear more about Glock problems is there are millions in existence, compared to CZ having thousands. I'm not saying a Glock is better for everybody or is better than CZ. The Glock has a better track record and its what I like.

Robert Hairless
July 27, 2008, 11:55 AM
my friend and i meet a "cop" at cabelas who said they had a bunch of glocks that would break.....or maybe lots of serious malfunctions. i don't remember his exact words.

Please try to remember. Did the "cop" tell you when that bunch of Glocks would break or maybe have lots of serious malfunctions? This could be important.

Is his bunch of Glocks the only ones that will break or have serious malfunctions? If so, I don't care. I wonder why that "cop" bought a bunch of Glocks that would break.

A friend of mine met a cop who said he was speeding. That cop was wrong. I wonder if it's the same cop.

retgarr
July 27, 2008, 12:19 PM
Tinroad, you are making un-researched claims there. There are over 1 million CZ 75's alone, that does not include CZ 82/83's or CZ97's. I have no idea where you are getting the idea that Glock has a better track record.

That said, I think glocks are excellent pistols. One of the few that feel comfortable to me. I challenge anyone to find a pistol model that has never had a failure, that goes for revolvers too. And yeah, if there is a kB! inside a glock it probably will cause more damage to the polymer fram than it would to a steel frame. Then again, my loaded up CZ75 is heavy as a brick. A glock is quite a bit lighter. It's all tradeoffs.

Tberger688
July 27, 2008, 05:46 PM
Lashlarue
Glock 19s are NYPD issue weapons and they have been having some mysterious problems http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/phase3.html

Interesting reading good post, thank you.

tinroad37e
July 27, 2008, 06:02 PM
retgarr, I have no idea how many are out there and it was just an expression, but it's difficult to believe there are as many CZ models on the market as Glocks. If I wanted to use an unsubstantial number, I would of made one up. They're used by most law enforcement agencies (specific number of agencies unknown). I'm not biased towards Glock nor do I work for them. I have 8 handguns and only 1 is a Glock. Most of my handguns are 1911s. If I liked the looks of the CZ line of handguns (Dan Wesson 1911s I do like) I would give one a try. A Dan Wesson Valor will be my next choice once they're readily available.

Disaster
July 27, 2008, 06:04 PM
Glock 19s are NYPD issue weapons and they have been having some mysterious problems http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/phase3.html

That is a 2002 posting....see this line from your link.
It is now mid-2002...

I suspect the issue is resolved or you'd be reading some fresher postings on it.

The Lone Haranguer
July 27, 2008, 09:17 PM
Now, I actually did "break" my own Glock. It was a small part, but the gun was immediately disabled. A spring retaining the slide lock (the serrated tabs you pull for takedown) broke, causing the slide lock to fall out and the slide - with the barrel and recoil spring still attached - to fly off the front of the frame and into the dirt. But things like this can happen to any mechanical device.

10-Ring
July 27, 2008, 09:42 PM
The range I frequent got some new Glocks about 6-10 months ago -- 9 mm, 40, 357 sig, 45 acp, 45 GAP, in every size availablbe. From what I know, they're fine -- & that's from the accelarated pov of a range gun! It's a Glock -- don't worry!

Huddog
July 27, 2008, 11:24 PM
Did his department make him give up a gun he liked to issue him the Glock? If so this could be the cause of the Glock hating. I saw it years ago in a department where I worked when we switched from revolvers to autos.

XDGirl
July 27, 2008, 11:30 PM
False report. But if I was you I would sell your Glock and buy a XD :neener:

PhillyGlocker
July 29, 2008, 08:26 PM
I own 3 Glocks. My G26 is 5 years old, and has never had a hiccup, and neither has the others. I'm not buying into the Glock malfunction thing. I've never witnessed it with my own eyes at a range.

valor1
July 29, 2008, 10:09 PM
Don't worry what others might say about a certain model breaking. If that is your gun, just enjoy shooting with it. The operative word here is to enjoy your gun. If you find problems, then ask the manufacturer to repair or replace it. If this doesn't work, sell that thing and buy another gun and move on.

FEG
July 30, 2008, 04:02 PM
If you do some research on the internet, you will find that the Indiana State Police rejected approximately 1200 Glock 22s that were to be issued to the troops. They suffered from repeated failure to feed malfunctions. They ended up trading the 22s for 17s. The 17s are working quite well. Other police departments subsequently reported similar results with the Glock 22 models.

This is the Gospel Truth, and it is easily verified by a search at the Indianapolis Star website.

I know several people who had to return their Glocks to Smyrna around the same time for one of the famous Glock recalls that somehow aren't recalls (according to Glock).

Question: If a manufacturer tells me to send them my pistol because it falls into a certain serial number range, whether it has broken yet or not, isn't that the very definition of a recall?

FEG
July 30, 2008, 04:07 PM
Double Post.

Riss
July 30, 2008, 04:12 PM
Most problems I have seen were related to the ejector and extractor which have been recalled in the 2nd Gen GLocks IIRC. Otherwise you only have to keep an eye on the magazine springs as they seem to not last that long. That was an early problem in the Gen 1 Glocks but was easily fixed with new mag springs. I keep my personal Glocks updated with Wolff 10% XP springs and have not had a problem. My work gun with the factory mag springs is another story. If your Glock has not had a malfunction you simply have not shot it enough. With all of their little problems I still think that it is one of the best guns around as long as the little things are tended to, fixed, replaced and or maintained properly.

Geezer Glide
July 30, 2008, 08:35 PM
I have heard of some issues with the G36 when it first came out. I think everything has been corrected now.

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