Kahr PM9


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Juna
July 25, 2008, 03:14 PM
Hey folks,

Considering a Kahr PM9 for my wife for CCW. What do you think of them (those who own[ed] them)? Accurate? Reliable? Durable? Size? Weight? Recoil?

Anyone have a pic of one next to a ruler or common object so that I can see firsthand how big it is? I read the measurements, and I've seen pics of them individually, but it's hard to get a sense of the size without something for comparison right next to it.

Thanks!

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romma
July 25, 2008, 03:59 PM
I have had one for about 4 years now. I really like mine, it is reliable and is extremely accurate...

Jocko? Where are you my fellow PM9 owner?

Jocko will be along.

philbo
July 25, 2008, 04:10 PM
Love my PM9. It's been my everyday carry since January. Size and weight are great for carry, although recoil can be a little more than expected and takes some practice. I believe it's extra size and weight makes it easier to control than the P3AT I had prior to this, but the pistol is still small enough to disappear into the front pocket of my slacks. Mine has been utterly reliable out of the box with all the ammo I've tried, (round count is currently at about 1,200 rds) and it even handled some hollow point reloads I was experimenting with that made my XD9 subcompact stovepipe. (and the XD has seen thousands of rounds without problems) Costs more than some, but worth every penny in my book. If your wife is willing to practice and get used to the bark of this little pistol, it'll perform fine as a CCW.

For comparison:
http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.jpg

deadhawg
July 25, 2008, 04:25 PM
I've had mine for about two years and put about 1,000 rounds through it with no problems. Can't beat it for ease of concealment. Surprisingly accurate for such a small pistol. You have to expect a pretty sharp recoil from such a light pistol though. All in all, I'm very happy with it.

BUT - If this is for you wife though, let HER decide if it's right for HER! My wife didn't like the recoil of my PM9, but loved the Glock 26. If at all possible, have your wife shoot the PM9 before she decides if it's right for her. If she doesn't like it, she won't practice with it, and if she doesn't practice with it, she shouldn't carry it.

Ron

jocko
July 25, 2008, 06:08 PM
The kahr PM9 is a total POS. I have 13,400 flawless rounds through mine. damn thing goes bang every time. It shows no signs of wear, 3rd set of recoil springs (not happy about that either):banghead::banghead:

My kahr k9 is no better either, now at 3500 rounds and no issues at all.It won't shoot where I aim, it must be the gun, it cannot be me, for it is a kahr, that so many who never owned one BUT READ ALOT seem to say with ease, they have alot of issues, yadda yadda.

In this post I won't brag on my kahrs, for I know I got the ONLY TWO that seem to want to go bang all the time. (probably the above 3 posts before mine are none karh owners to, who just want to say nice thngs about kahrs)!!!! so kahr treated me right by selecting only two perfect guns for me to shoot--so far. Oh by the way the k9 I bought used off the AR-15 forum..

Hell, you may get a real lemon right out of the box to, most of the time that is not true with kahrs, but I would be a damn fool to tell you that karhs are issue free, anymore than glocks are. BUT THEY BOTH ARE GOOD GUNS.

If you want a PM9 buy it, come on this forum for help if you have an issue, or go to glock talk and hit on the kahr fourm. That is an excellent group of guys and if you read that forum, you will see that almost all love their kahrs

blackcash88
July 25, 2008, 06:30 PM
Another +1 for the PM9. I love mine! Fantastic carry pistol with many thousands of reliable rounds through it. More accurate than a pistol this small should be. :cool:

Juna
July 25, 2008, 06:48 PM
Thanks for the replies. I've always read good things about Kahrs.

My wife loves the size & weight of our P3AT, but hates shooting it. I don't love shooting it, but I can do just fine with it at minute of BG, and it's been 100% reliable out of the box (no fluff & buff) with zero failures of any kind. It makes a nice BUG for last ditch, up close & personal encounters. Its ease of concealment is just phenomenal. I could practically conceal it in my underwear. ;P

My wife is OK with firing a RAMI, but she thinks it's too heavy when loaded and too big to carry and conceal. She doesn't wear baggy clothes or have many places to put a double stack firearm.

So I'm thinking maybe a single stack 9 mm would be the way to go, hence the Kahr. Smallness and lightness factor, she will definitely like. She probably won't be crazy about the recoil, but she's a good shooter and will be able to handle it.

We're gonna rent one and try it out. I think it's about the perfect gun for what she's looking for. Other things I'm considering are a Bersa Thunder (MUCH cheaper, but smaller caliber) and maybe a Glock 26 if she is OK with the size/weight and firing it (although I don't anticipate it being much smaller than a RAMI). Haven't ruled out a wheel gun, either.

I like the fact that the Kahr is DAO without any safeties, etc. I'm not a fan of safeties, nor is she. We don't like anything coming between us and the trigger when the SHTF.

So if she likes the rental at the range, I'll save up and take the plunge. As expensive as it is, if she likes it and will carry it, I'm willing to pay for it. None of my guns is nearly as expensive, but she's worth it!

blackcash88
July 25, 2008, 06:52 PM
Juna, shop around. I got my PM9 brand new for $525 out the door which is FAR less than MSRP. Got it at a gun show of all places. The recoil is surprisingly not that bad for such a small pistol and I use +p for my carry ammo, which I shoot out from time to time to replace it. :cool:

jocko
July 25, 2008, 07:01 PM
Juna, and the upside or downside of buying the PM9 and she not likeing it,, is that DARN YOU MGHT HAVE TO KEEP IT YOURSELF

toddmog
July 25, 2008, 07:09 PM
I can't chime in about the PM9, but my wife chose a CW9 over my P3AT, a glock 26 and glock 19.

In fact, I bought two CW9's...I don't like to share!

The Lone Haranguer
July 25, 2008, 09:51 PM
I have one that I use for a pocket gun. Compared to a .38 - to say nothing of a .357! - snubnose revolver, it has far less recoil and blast, sights you can see, a smooth light trigger pull and two more rounds of what is arguably a more efficient cartridge. I did however have to send mine back to make it straighten up and fly right.

(Regulars will forgive me if I've written this a few times. ;))

loplop
July 25, 2008, 10:01 PM
I've owned 2 PM9's. My first, I bought used. It was totally reliable save one FTF after about a hundred ridiculously dirty reloads. I sold it, missed it, and a year later had to buy another.

My second, I bought new. It's been 100% since day 1 (which was about a month ago, not long!). I have a little over 500 rounds through it now, with 125 of those being GDHP +P's. The PM9 does bark a bit, and it will bite the skin at the base of my thumb. I usually wrap a piece of athletic tape there to prevent it, or I will bleed.

So done, I can shoot the little guy all day, it's a hoot.

Great guns. I'm currently waffling on which Kahr 45 to buy.

jocko
July 25, 2008, 10:15 PM
I do most of my shooting with a pair of those el cheapos wal-mart fingerless bicycle ridng gloves. the palms are padded and can be bought for about $10 . just lets one shoot alot longer at the range..

orionengnr
July 25, 2008, 11:47 PM
My wife loves the size & weight of our P3AT, but hates shooting it. I don't love shooting it, but I can do just fine....

Okay, now we have a frame of reference. I've had two P3ATs and didn't like shooting them either. :)

The PM9 is a bit "barky" compare to a larger 9mm, but is fairly tame compared to a P3AT, IMHO. Mine has never bitten me.

I've had mine a bit over two years and it is my constant companion for 9 months per year (P45 the other three months). The PM9 is in my pocket right now. :)

Double Naught Spy
July 26, 2008, 01:31 AM
I own two PM9s from different production runs (based on serial numbers). Both have had standard ammo reliability issues and turned out to both work best with higher pressure/+P ammo. Both have had barrel peening. Standard pressure ammo woes were that the gun would fail to cycle properly and not collect a new round off the magazine and would fail to lock open on empty sporadically. Often if rounds were collected, the gun would fail to fully go into battery, falling about 1/8-1/16" shy of being in battery.

After going to +P ammo, the only problem I seem to have is that my hands are such that during recoil, my weak hand thumb can sometimes contact the slide stop and cause the gun to lock open prematurely. This problem existed with standard pressure ammo as well.

In going with +P ammo, I have been hugely pleased with my PM9s. The PM9 is my daily carry, either as a primary when I can't carry large or as my BUG to my full size 1911. Between the two PM9s, I have approximately 12K rounds down range.

burningsquirrels
July 26, 2008, 02:59 AM
lots of threads about pm9 pistols if you use the search function. but everything i hear is either positive, or lemon at first until after kahr's excellent customer service.

denfoote
July 26, 2008, 05:40 AM
I have an old MK9 Elite 98 that I'm rather fond of. ;)

jocko
July 26, 2008, 07:13 AM
burning squirrels;

That is the same scenario for every mfg-er. It is positive or it is a lemon. Happens not only with guns, Just bought the best GE Micro Wave money could buy. got it all installed and the lights in it won't work. GE sent me a new mother board and when the installer came, took it out of the box and it was cracked. waiting now on another mother board. lemon, probably, product from reading and talking to others is ultra quality. I just got one made on Friday afternoon. It will get repaired properly and I will not think anymore about it. guns are not much different. If one has a problem, most factories stand behind their product and will make it right. Some people do not have the patience to do so and choose to hammer the product without giving it or the factory a chance to make it right.

DAdams
July 26, 2008, 02:49 PM
Mine had to make one trip back to Kahr. Been fine since and 450 rounds through it.

I still don't know of an auto in a 9mm you can pocket carry. Perhaps a Rohrbaugh but they are $900 plus and are a handful.

I like mine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/P2140020.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/P2140003.jpg

blackcash88
July 26, 2008, 06:25 PM
What are you talking about DAdams??? The PM9 is perfectly pocketable. I pocket carry mine every day and I'm not a big guy, either.

GunNut
July 28, 2008, 12:59 AM
I just picked up a PM9 with the DLC finish and 3 magazines like new in the box for $550 which I feel is a fair price.

Now what ammo has everyone found to be the best for self defense?

I'm thinking about going with Federal HST 147 or 124 grain standard pressure loads.

Sharp669
July 28, 2008, 01:09 AM
I have one- 150 rounds thru - in break in period- with no issues. Yes its got some recoil, but much more comfortable to shoot than my J frame snubbie.

jocko
July 28, 2008, 08:11 AM
Port-um, what a big difference it makes.

biggiesmalls
July 28, 2008, 10:00 AM
too small for my hand, too big for pocket carry. but thats just me. ultimately your wife has to hold it in her hand and maybe even pull the trigger b4 she will know. but if reliability is all you're asking here, it seems most people will give it a 2 thumbs up. i own the bigger kahrs and love em.

blackcash88
July 28, 2008, 11:29 AM
Port-um, what a big difference it makes.

Yeah, right up until you lose your night vision and/or you get muzzle blast and debris thrown up into your face. :rolleyes:

Guns and more
July 28, 2008, 12:02 PM
A test review called the recoil of the PM-9 "snappy" and that describes it very well. Not a lot of mass vs. a high power round and it jumps when fired. I'm not very accurate with mine yet, but it's a lot of fun to shoot, and when I pull a gun from the safe, It's usually that one. It does a lot of things well. I've heard of people getting scraped by the slide or slide stop, but that has never happened to me. (Maybe I'm holding it wrong.)

Lagomorph
July 28, 2008, 06:31 PM
My wife actually thought she preferred J-frames until she shot the Kahr this weekend. I hope it doesn't get commandeered out of my pocket this week.

Shawn Dodson
July 28, 2008, 06:59 PM
I moved from the Seattle area to Florida last fall. I carried a G19 for years as I was able to wear a light jacket or heavy shirt to conceal it. Not so in Florida.

I got a PM9 and it's my primary carry gun. It disappears easily in warm weather clothing. I carry it everywhere.

I fitted my PM9 with a Hogue Handall Jr. grip sleeve and Pearce base plate magazine extension. This configuration is perfect for me.

I was surprised at its accuracy.

It shares the same manual of arms as my G19 so all my training carried over to the PM9 (and vice versa). Operator skills are identical. When we go on trips out of town the G19 is the car gun and the PM9 is my carry gun.

Good luck!

jocko
July 29, 2008, 06:21 AM
Shawn: IMO you have two great guns in the G19 and PM9. Own um both also, love um both, they both go bang every time, My 24/7 carry though is my PM9..

blackcash88
July 29, 2008, 12:21 PM
ur kewl, jocko

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