July 26, 2008, 06:05 AM
what are some semi-auto pistols that you would considered to be a must have in any collection?....of course a 1911, what else?
July 26, 2008, 06:05 AM
what are some semi-auto pistols that you would considered to be a must have in any collection?....of course a 1911, what else?
July 26, 2008, 06:35 AM
Like you said a 1911 in .45 should be in every collection. Also one of the DA "wondernines" like a Beretta 92, Sig P226, S&W 59... One of the modern plastic police guns in .40 S&W or 9mm (preferably a Glock) would be nice too.
Those three are essential to start a well rounded collection IMO.
July 26, 2008, 06:46 AM
Should have a good .22LR as well.
July 26, 2008, 07:01 AM
a Glock, any caliber. A good mousegun too, like the Ruger LCP or one of the Kel-Tec models...and of course a good 1911. I'm looking for one too add to my own collection.
July 26, 2008, 07:51 AM
I'm a little into esoterica so, for a long time, a "must have" for me was an original Wolverine. Now it's a "do have." :D
I also think that the 7.62x25 family should be represented by at least one TT33 type. My Norinco 54-1 is a tack-drivin' monster. So is my CZ 52, btw.
For lighter. less car-and-house-penetrating duty, I love my Makarov. That pistol is rock solid reliable, simple, rugged, flat, & small. It's a great design.
July 26, 2008, 08:29 AM
Here are a few I can think of:
* - Ruger .22 pistol.
* - Glock, in most any caliber.
* - Good quality 1911.
* - Full caliber (9mm minimum) compact or subcompact.
July 26, 2008, 09:18 AM
XD over Glock any day, any caliber!
The Ruger or KT is good for a cheap mousegun. For better, get a Seecamp or Rohrbaugh if you have dough.
I also like Kahr. A little more dough than some, but they are well built. Their polymers make nice carry/pocket guns, but some have found their metal framed ones more reliable.
Also on the cheap, I like my Bersa. A lot carry their 380. I have their 45 compact. Fairly small size, but low capacity for a double stack.
July 26, 2008, 09:21 AM
In addition to the 1911.
Browning Hi Power
Ruger MK II
July 26, 2008, 09:31 AM
My two kopeks.
You included the 1911. I'd add: a Browning Hi-Power 9mm; a full size "wondernine" by Ruger, S&W, Beretta or CZ; a Glock or at least an iteration of the "modern wonder-whatever" (i.e., high cap polymer pistol); and a good target auto, either a Ruger Mark, High Standard or S&W 41. Additionally, in a collection, I'd want to include an example of the "small self-shucker." I remember when the SIG 225 was considered a tiny 9mm. Ha! Those were the days. I don't know if I'd go polymer or steel for the bitsy 9mm, but I'd definitely consider something like a Rohrbaugh, Kahr MK9, or Kel-Tec.
Those are my thoughts on what would go into a "general semi-auto collection." I was focused on a sample of major handgun trends, without any brand loyalty or deep thought towards tacticimal applimications.
It just occurred to me that if I was putting one together like that, I'd get a 5" 1911 in .45 ACP, a 9mm Browning Hi-Power, a CZ75 9mm, a Glock 17 9mm, to show the evolutionary process in "big service handguns." Perhaps, similarly, I would do the same with "little carry handguns" and put on a Colt 1903, a SIG 225, a Kahr K9 9mm (preferably a "flatside" model predating the adoption of the .40 frame) and lastly maybe a Rohrbaugh.
Oh my, this could get expensive.
July 26, 2008, 10:39 AM
Les Baer TRS and a Glock 17:)
July 26, 2008, 10:45 AM
My list would be something like this
A 1911 untility grade. Something you can just shoot and shoot and shoot.
A high end 1911: Ed Brown, Wilson, Les Baer, etc. Every 1911 shooter should have one before he dies.
Several good 9mm's: The P7M8 is on such handgun. It is a great design.
BHP - Just because it's a classic.
A CZ -Type. My choice is the AR-24. This design has almost unmatched ergonomics. The CZ design is easy to shoot, and has proven accuracy.
.22's. Everyone needs a good one or two. I believe this should be no different than my choice for 1911's. First, I would like a good shooter I wouldn't mind taking to the range, or putting in a boat. That would be a Ruger or a Buckmark. Both are great .22 autos.
Next would be a Smith 41. It speaks for its self.
Next would be the small autos, and my choice would possibly be the new Ruger .380, but I would prefer the Seecamp.
A good "plastic". My choice is the HK45 for high end, and an M&P for the other. Both are high quality handguns with good ergonomics.
The list gets larger, if I were to include revolvers. That reminds me, there are guns on this list I don't have. Hummmmm, my gun dealer is open, and it's Saturday morning....Gotta go:D:D.
July 26, 2008, 10:48 AM
It kind of depends on what kind of collector you are, but some classics for any collection IMO would be
Collections can go in many different directions into historical guns, tiny pocket guns, rare and unique guns, military, WWII, etc. Have fun and collect what interests you.
July 26, 2008, 11:16 AM
Buy the best of the best in each calibur. While we would all have our ideas what is best due to our differences, the search for what your best is will fill your collection.
Smith 42 22lr
Walther ppk 380
Colt Delta Elite in 10MM
Colt 1903 in 32acp
S&W 52 in 38 special
Just a few of some of the better guns.
July 26, 2008, 11:32 AM
July 26, 2008, 11:37 AM
No Highpoint on anyones list? :)
Any list of must have guns should be made up of ones that have started a trend if not a revolution. Most of the guns mentioned fit that bill.
I'm suprised that JJ was the only one so far to put the Walther PPK on a list, +1.
July 26, 2008, 11:41 AM
1911 (in my case the Sig GSR Revolution and SW1911)
Baby Glock 26/27/33
July 26, 2008, 11:43 AM
BHP and 1911
July 26, 2008, 12:06 PM
The Walther P38 and its main derivative, the P5, should be starting points for any discussion about must-have semi-automatic pistols.
July 26, 2008, 12:47 PM
The 1911 is the only true "must have" pistol/handgun. All the others are nice, but not necessary......lol:neener: I think that is in the Bible(Proverbs I think). I believe it reads: "The beginning of all wisdom is the fear of the Lord and a 1911."
July 26, 2008, 12:55 PM
July 26, 2008, 02:06 PM
It's all been covered, even Glocks unfortunately. But besides that...I do believe that there is a good wide spread of AWESOME semi-automatics. I do have to admit that I would like to put CZ75 on that list (as I'm sure it already has been a number of times) and put some CTL grips on it (they're fun)!
July 26, 2008, 02:15 PM
PA-63 just for kicks (if you own one, you got the joke)
and a Star. any model, cause those spanish know good guns
July 26, 2008, 02:15 PM
Also +1 on the PPK.
Some will cough up their wheaties when I say this, but some of the most fun I've ever had at the range was with a Cobray M-12. Semi-auto MAC knockoffs are fairly cheap and hard to break (with proper care)
July 26, 2008, 02:17 PM
Semi-auto MAC knockoffs are fairly cheap and hard to break (with proper care)
like the MasterPiece arms ones?
July 26, 2008, 02:23 PM
I hear good things about the Masterpiece Arms, and one I held seemed pretty decent, but I've never fired one.
July 26, 2008, 02:57 PM
Colt Commander 9mm
2 Broomhandle Mausers (1 in 7.62 & 1 in 9mm)
Walther PP Super
Colt 1903 &1908
FN/Browning M1903 in 9mm Br Long
July 26, 2008, 03:09 PM
Yeah, should have added a Makarov.
July 26, 2008, 03:20 PM
Must haves assuming you can afford more than one pistol:
-A full size service pistol
-A carry gun in 9mm or bigger
-A .22 plinker
My personal thoughts are that each person should decide what guns fit their needs, their shooting ability, and their budget.
There is no one right solution.
July 26, 2008, 03:26 PM
Careful including the Makarov...you'll end up with more than one...then, since you're buying the ammo at under $9 per box in case quantities, you'll have to get a CZ-82...then you'll start looking at the PA-63's ("just for kicks" as one other poster said)...
It's a sickness!
I lack a high capacity 9x19 and I would second that as a "must have.
I concurr that a good .32 acp is also a must. An Ortgies pistol could substitute for a 1903 if you like the classics as I do. However, I could understand if one opts for a mouse gun instead.
July 26, 2008, 04:01 PM
The weapons I list, are mostly just examples of categories of semi-auto pistol that could be considered in a collection. The 1911, obviously speaks for itself.
There are also, many different ways to categorize semi auto pistols.
One method, is by size.
Pocket pistol (Ruger LCP)
Subcompact (Glock 26)
Compact (Sig P225)
Full size (Beretta 92)
Large/Longslide (Longslide 1911. Mk23 and Desert Eagle would fit in this one too.)
Unconventional (Kel-Tec PLR-16, Ruger Charger)
Another method is by caliber.
.22lr (Browning Buckmark)
5.7mm (FN Five Seven)
.32 (Kel-Tec P32)
.380 (Ruger LCP)
9mm Mak (Makarov)
9x19mm (Beretta 92)
.357 Sig (HK P2000)
.38 Super (1911 'racegun')
.40 S&W (Springfield XD40)
.45 GAP (Glock 37)
.45 ACP (1911)
10mm (Fusion 1911)
Desert Eagle for the typical magnum calibers (all I can really think of)
AR or AK pistol for short rifle calibers.
Single action (1911)
Double action (Beretta 92)
Double action only (S&W M&P)
By general category
1911 (in a category of its own)
Wondernines (Beretta 92)
Polymer framed, striker fired (Springfield XD)
Unconventional (Kel-Tec PLR-16)
By how you intended to use them (won't bother listing examples, since this is where things get really subjective)
Random fun at the range
July 26, 2008, 04:46 PM
* 1911A1 - WWII Build
* Luger P-08
* Browning Hi-Power - Ingalss buld & FN w/Nazi Proof marks
* Walther PPK - FIrst DA/SA
* P 38 - First service size DA/SA
* S&W Model 39
* Colt Commander LW 9MMx19
* CZ 75B - one of the first of the Wonder 9's
with DA/SA & 1911 style thumb safety.
* Berreta 92FS
* Sig 220 - .45 ACP DA/SA
July 26, 2008, 05:03 PM
Browning High Power,
Glock - Model 19, 21
SIG P 210, P226
Smith and Wesson - Model 39, 41, 52
Walther PP, PPK, PPKs, P-38, P5
July 27, 2008, 07:34 PM
A hardchrome two tone combat tuned
5" Series 70 1911
A park. SA 5" 1911 Mil Spec truck gun
A Colt .22 Conversion on a Caspian frame
Springer GI with Brazil-Imbell
stamped on it
A Kimber II
A Browning Highpower
A 4" SA Champion
Dad's WWII usmc 1911A1
And then maybe a SA 1911 Mil Spec
to round it out
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 27, 2008, 10:01 PM
There aren't really any must-haves - just depends on the focus of your collection. The closest thing to a must-have would be some form of 1911.
July 27, 2008, 11:17 PM
None are must haves but several already mentioned are do haves.
July 28, 2008, 10:08 AM
HK P7 & LWS32 (or LWS380)..;)
July 28, 2008, 10:16 AM
1911 - Mine are Kimber Raptor II's and Ed Brown Kobra Carry
Glock - either a 17 or a 19 to start the collection ;)
Ruger Mark III .22
Mousegun - Mine is a KT P3AT
This would be my basic beginner's semi-auto battery. Of course other calibers and manufacturers would be added over time :D
Two other must haves would be wheelguns though... a S&W J-Frame and 686 :neener:
July 28, 2008, 11:35 AM
HiPoint-Just to be ornery
Raven-For the elegant simplicity
1911-for the ego
Polymer carry >9mm
CZ52- for the fireshow at dusk
any 22- for plinking
With good shopping skills all the above for less than $1200
July 28, 2008, 02:22 PM
OHOHOH! i almost forgot! a Škorpion vz. 61!!!!
July 28, 2008, 02:23 PM
A real Makarov.
July 28, 2008, 10:02 PM
July 28, 2008, 10:10 PM
Must haves: hi quality 1911 in 45 acp, one of the traditionally id'd wundernines (92fs, P226 or Glock 17), and a good 22lr -- maybe a Ruger or a Browning ;)
July 28, 2008, 10:22 PM
That list is perfect in my eyes...maybe add a SW 686
July 28, 2008, 10:28 PM
Also one of the DA "wondernines" like a Beretta 92, Sig P226, S&W 59... One of the modern plastic police guns in .40 S&W or 9mm (preferably a Glock) would be nice too.
Hmmm...wouldn't a compact or fullsize Glock "count" as a "Wondernine" too? :D
+1 to the 1911, if only for history's sake...it's 2nd next on my "to buy" list. The FIRST on there is a revolver (which I currently have none)!
And a BIG practical +1 to a VERY VERY concealable gun...I prefer the Kel-Tec P3AT myself. No matter how "tacti-cool" you think you are, there WILL be some days where something that small and unobtrusive will be all you can be bothered to carry (or will be able to)...
ETA: I see the PPK listed quite a bit. If you like the design but are on a tighter budget, I and several others have had great luck with the Bersa Thunder .380 (a clone of the PPK).
Poor East Texan
July 28, 2008, 10:50 PM
1911 fer shur! I have one stock A from 1913 and one "race gun"
9mm also. I have an Astra A-80 and S&W 469. Both are nice but I wish I had gotten more mags for the A-80 back when!
9mm Makarov! Stone reliable and great to hold with a "Mak-a-wrap" grip!
.380 Buddy has a CZ83 that is mighty nice!
.22 Ruger or Browning. Mine is Ruger 22/45 target SS and shoots WAY better than I do!
I wish to own CZ75, but my next purchase will be S&W 617!
July 28, 2008, 10:55 PM
July 28, 2008, 11:27 PM
I don't remember who originally made this quip, but a line from an old show comes to mind...
"This isn't an antique store, it's just a bunch of stuff!"
On one level, part of me doesn't see much of a difference. On another level, do you want a collection or a "bunch of stuff?"
That is, are you approaching this as a collector or a shooter? (These aren't mutually exclusive, so please bear with me.) There are a lot of classic pistol designs, and I suppose I could come up with a Top 10 as well as the next person.
Having ten or so totally unrelated pistols (different chamberings, different magazines, etc.) isn't real practical from a shooter's standpoint, and it probably isn't a "collection" in the usual sense of the word. There's nothing wrong with that. A Top 10 is a theme, after all.
I own the pistols I own because I like them. I've wasted a lot of time, money, and effort finding this out for myself. I own some 1911s at the moment, but I wouldn't own any if I didn't like them. The sad truth is that it took me some years to really warm up to the 1911, and I missed out on some real deals about ten years ago.
The only handgun I would really like to own for its own sake would be a Mark II Hi-Power. I really loved Hi-Powers and owned a FEG P9M-SA, but I discovered the CZ 75 shortly before purchasing a "real" one. Short story: I prefer the CZ.
Personally, the only thing keeping me from "collecting" guns* is my budget.
* Collecting as in the sense of "I'm going to buy one specimen of every pistol ever chambered in 9x18mm," for example.
July 28, 2008, 11:28 PM
you choice of of a Tokarev/CZ-52 or a Makarov
a Walter PPK
July 29, 2008, 01:01 AM
1911, CZ-75, CZ-75, Browning Hi-Power, Sig of some sort.
July 29, 2008, 07:42 AM
1911 Colt- classic .45
Glock 19- for the kool aid addicts (mine is now a safe queen after a KB)
FNP-9- The best shooter I own
Ruger MkII or Buckmark- for training and just down right fun
S&W Mod10- fills the revo gap
CZ 75- for high quality build, not as reliable as my FNP-9
BHP- classic 9mm
NAA mini- for when it's all you can carry and still observe Rule #1
Sig-the only one I have yet to get but I want for the slim build to fit my hand
July 29, 2008, 10:08 AM
Okay, this is coming from a young un... so please forgive me for my ignorance. Could someone please explain to me why so many of you have mentioned the Browning HP? I just don't see why. I understand why everyone says 1911, but in my opinion a BHP is equivalent to just about any other high capacity 9mm such as the CZ 75, Berreta 92, etc. Is the BHP just THAT accurate/reliable? At the moment I have considered purchasing a CZ 75 but it just seems like too big a pistol to carry around. Most of my guns fill a purpose and at the moment I just cant seem to find anything that I want... at the moment I own the following:
Ruger Mark III .22 (great training pistol)
XD45 (my SHTF pistol and winter CCW w/ 13+1 rounds of .45)
CZ P01 (everyday CCW)
S&W 642 (backup/smaller CCW preferred over a semi)
S&W 686p (mostly range revolver but also CCW b/c of its 3" barrel)
Springfield Armory 1911 "loaded" with many extras as a competition gun
Dan Wesson CBOB (accurate/dependable conceal carry 1911 for when I want that slim profile on my hip)
With those 7 handguns, I dont see anything else that I would want or need...other than maybe a CZ 75 or a BHP if yall can give me a good reason to get one.
July 29, 2008, 10:30 AM
I'm not big into buying a lot of guns that I don't need. I guess that I'm cheap.
I think that it would be nice to have the following:
One .22 autoloader: To me, this probably means a Ruger Mark III Hunter.
One compact, polymer-framed autoloader: Probably would be between an XD, a Glock, a Sig p250, or an HK p2000. I'd probably go with an XD service (even though it probably is not really considered a compact)
One full-sized autoloader: I would lean towards an XD(M), a CZ 75 B, a Beretta 90two, or a Sig p226.
I currently own three revolvers, but plan on starting with autoloaders soon.
I own a .22 SA revolver, a .357 magnum, and a .44 magnum.
I guess one might argue that I don't really need a .44 magnum, but I like it.
July 29, 2008, 10:39 AM
Let me see. There are too many of them but if I have the dough, I'll get the following:
- HK45, P2000 and P7
- Sig P210, P226 and P228
- Cz 75B and P01
- Colt gov't model and gold cup
- Taurus PT1911
I want guns that were tested by the military and myself.