Anyone here have a Mossberg .410 pump?

[Otony]

I have a single shot .410 H&R for the kids, and for some inexplicable reason, the urge to buy a pump .410 keeps popping up.

Sooo, anyone own one? Have you noticed any problems inherent with the design, as opposed to the 12 and 20 gauge versions?

I am assuming that these are built on a unique receiver, sized for the .410 shell, or does Mossberg actually use the 12/20 receiver?

Thanks for any help you can give!

[Mossberg535]

resist that urge at all costs.
I just had to get rid of that exact shotgun, not because of the gun itself, I loved it, but because its 2-3 times more expensive to shoot.
It pretty much seems to just be a 500, not really any differences as far as reliability or problems that I noticed, so if you have loads of extra cash to burn its just fine.

Honestly, Id get a 20 or a 12 guage and just find some light loads or have someone reload something to your liking.
When I was 12 I had a 410, a 20g and a 16g and had no trouble at all with any of the 3 of them.
What I do know is that when I was hunting I had much better luck hitting with the 16 g and almost as good with the 20. The 410 managed to take down a squirrel here and there, but it did leave me hanging a few times wishing Id at least grabbed the old 20g bolt action instead.

If its for kids, dont feel uncomfortable just going ahead and grabbing the 500 20g...If a skinny little kid like I was can handle it anyone can...and your pocket will thank you for it when it comes to buying ammunition :)

[Guns and more]

its 2-3 times more expensive to shoot.
I was surprised at this, so I went to Midway to compare 12 ga. to .410 ga.
In .410 a box of 25 buckshot was about $13. In 12 ga. a box of 25 buckshot was $24.
?????

[Mossberg535]

I was surprised at this, so I went to Midway to compare 12 ga. to .410 ga.
In .410 a box of 25 buckshot was about $13. In 12 ga. a box of 25 buckshot was $24.
?????
I dont know where you shop at. :D

I paid $13 for a box of 25 shells #6 for the 410.
I pay $6 for 25 shells in 12 gauge.

If youre comparing some exotic or specialized ammo, thats not really a point of comparison...we're talking about shooting in general.
I buy Remington Game Loads at Walmart and paid the prices above. A box of 100 at WM for 12 and 20g is around $25.

:)

[Grandpa Shooter]

For the .410 and 12 gauge, the Walmart closest to me gets within $1 of the same price. Around $9 for the 25 round box. Both target loads.

[Mossberg535]

Actually, this is a good site for comparison.

Heres the 410 ammo
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?catid=495&mfgid=249

And heres the 12g
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?catid=742&mfgid=249

$12+ for the 410 for the most part compared to $7.50+ for the 12 gauge.

[Mossberg535]

For the .410 and 12 gauge, the Walmart closest to me gets within $1 of the same price. Around $9 for the 25 round box. Both target loads.
I need to move closer to you guys :D
I couldnt get a box of 410 cheap junk shells for less than just under $13 and this is AT walmart.
I can buy 12 and 20 gauge all day long for less than $6 for 25..Ill see if I can find a way to scan the receipts for anyone who doesnt believe me :D


For the OP...if money is a concern over the long run just be sure to find out what YOU are paying for shells.
We can sit debating and claiming we pay whatever price, but that doesnt do you any good if your area is like mine and 410 shells ARE much higher than 12 or 20's.

Another thing to consider is that the 410 doesnt have the choices out there that 12 or 20 do....that was another reason why I didnt like the 410.

[welldoya]

My experience has been the same as Mossberg 535. Last time I looked, .410 was twice the price of 12 gauge.

[T-Ray]

For the .410 and 12 gauge, the Walmart closest to me gets within $1 of the same price

either ya'll pay great prices for .410 or you pay wayyyy too much for 12. I can get a box of 12 for $4 out of season, $3 in season and i think .410 was like $8-10 at wal mart.

[Guns and more]

I was trying to compare apples to apples. Midway was the first site I found and I compared brand name #4 shot 25/box. You can look at the site.
However, you are correct about Cheaper than dirt. 12 ga. is almost half of .410. Go figure.
I concede.

[Mossberg535]

You may actually have found some way of getting the 410 ammo cheaper than I have found it to be.
I like to get ammo locally so I can get it when I want it, I dont buy in bulk or anything, so my only real choice is Walmart for cheap ammo.
I bought the 500 410 without really comparing prices on the ammo first and when I saw the price differences here I basically told my wife that we could at least use it for HD (trying to make myself feel better :D).

I ended up buying an old h&r 12g single shot for $60 at GM just so I could at least shoot the cheap stuff, but it was pretty quick before I realized I wanted the 500 in 12 guage instead, and if I had that I couldnt really justify even keeping the 410 since I knew it would never be shot with the price difference....and come on..who in their right mind is going to grab the 410 over the 12g if an intruder needs stopped. :D

For me, because of the price of ammo, it was just a better idea to get the 12 and sell the 410.

Prices aside tho, I think we can all admit that the 12 gauge and even the 20g have a much better selection of ammo choices over the 410 .

:)

[Otony]

Glad to know folks still can shop for bargains on ammo. :D

We currently have a pair of Beretta hammerless single shots around the house, both 12 and 20 gauge, plus an H&R Model 48 single shot 20ga (all steel, no plastic). Plus the exact same type of old Stevens .410 single I started with in my yute.

I can and do load the 20s with very light loads, using all brass cases and black powder (no stranger to economy here, heh-heh). I have ordered some all brass .410 shells as well, to give a try at developing some loads for the Stevens. I don't think I would be tempted to run those through a Mossberg .410 however.

There is also a very nice o/u Valmet 20ga here, built on a to-scale action. This is not to mention the Mossberg 930, or the SKB 100 in 12ga. Plus a half dozen flinlock fowlers in various gauges.

So you see, we have no shortage of other shotguns to avail ourselves of. We are not terribly concerned about the cost of .410 shells, though I do appreciate the concern. I simply want to know if the @#*&% thing is built on a smaller action that the 12/20 500s, and if it functions well. :banghead:

Please? :rolleyes:

[alias]

I saw this thread earlier, and let it go as I figured someone would answer the original question. It would appear no one has, so here goes. I have a Mossberg 500E .410 pump. 24" full choke, it is much smaller (it seems like maybe half size, but maybe a little bigger than half; Honestly I haven't even had it out of the safe for a while now) than my 500 12 gauge. Not only the action, but also the stock. It cycles 2 3/4" and 3" shells just fine. However, I bought it as a yard gun to take care of ground squirrels, and 1 oz. 12's are about half the price, so do to pure economics it mostly just sits. I don't know if Mossberg makes a .410 with a fullsize stock or not, I have what I have, and that's what I know. Hope this helps.

[Otony]

alias,

Thank you sir! Succinct, informative, now sell me your 500 .410! :p

[12Bravo20]

I have had my Mossberg 500 in .410 for 20+ years now and never have had any problems with it. Mine has the 26" vent rib barrel (full choke) and full size stock on it. As far as price of shells, I reload my own and save quite a lot of money that way.

[mtngunr]

Man In Black, I see you caught on quickly that this place is loaded with opinions about stuff whether correct, or germain to queries.....coincidentally, I just bought one today for homestead bebopping/truckgun/pest-control.

Bought the 505E youth model for $250 (compared to the 500/24"/Full/$209)....the 505 is just what I was looking for....the following is a cut/paste of an email I sent to AK et Cie only an hour ago....I'll pattern tomorrow and post results to this thread.

"Just got (sigh), another one....I always wanted a really nice .410 that would hold more than one shot....I'm still waiting, and considering prices, a lifetime holding pattern is foreseen....instead, bought a Mossberg 505E youth model....too much to resist....a dinky little gun, it's a repeater, AND a .410....pretty cheap, too. I'd call it the Glock of shotguns.

Seriously, had considered the $500 Wingmaster .410 with very much desired Modified choke....also thought that was a bunch of money for a bebopping walkabout truck gun with aluminum trigger housing...and it wasn't exactly the handy gun I needed with looong barrel.

Kept thinking about the Mossberg for half the money, or even less if I could live with their looong barrel and fixed Full choke ($209 at WallyWorld)....which I couldn't....then, yesterday, while buying primers at a store in WarTown, picked up a free copy of the Mossberg 2008 Gun Annual, and looked at their specs....the 505 youth model had a Modified choke, 20"bbl, 12"LOP, 37.5"LOA, and 5.25lb weight.....THAT was more like it!

And while tooting about all afternoon on the DR, dodging widespread t-storms in 100% heat, came across a store that actually had one in stock...it bugged me, man, that they wanted more for less gun at either end, but that's pretty typical, and it still cost half the 870.

It costs half what an 870 goes for, and is probably half the gun...crude parts, crude wood that undoubtedly is the standard .410 stock cut at both ends, the worst recoil pad fit I've ever seen on a US-made gun....but the bore looked just fine, and I know it will work, which is all that really mattered for $250, the only new gun I know that fills the gap between econo single-shots with oversize chambers/actions and the 870 high-dollar wonder repeater.

Stripped/cleaned it this evening, and only reinforced the opinion this sho'nuff ain't no 870.....bunches more to the job than the 870, even if no tools required...can certainly see the steel lifter pivots turning in holes in the aluminum action as something not geared for several lifetimes of shooting, ditto the plastic trigger-group housing....but, it'll work for what I want....cheap/light/short/reliable/repeater/.410....not a heck of a lot of difference in weight between it and the aluminum hulled Remington 572 .22 smoothbore.

Seriously considered the 500 .410 for $209, and then whackifyin' it myself from 24" Full to 18" Cylinder...but truly wanted to see what a Modified choke would do....if uninspring, can always end up lopping 2" off of this one, whereupon I'll be wishing I'd bought the cheaper 500....this one doesn't really need shortening, it's already a bit shorter than the 18" 870 Police, and would be shorter if the action hadn't been made to handle 3" shells.

Anyhow, it's an option I'll be trying out tomorrow with shot and slugs....lacking sights, the slug shooting will be to just check basic POI/pointing to see if they'd work for close-range pest-control/defense....it they do, a slug will probably be first up in the 4rd mag....oh, the mag holds 4ea 2.5" shells, or 3ea 3" shells....makes ignoring the 3" shells even easier."

PS.....it IS a smaller reciever....no way would this be a 20ga....doubt even a 28ga would work, but could be wrong about that...like I said above, feels more like a Remington 572....nice little gun, and expect no problems....shucks through loaded shells with no problem....the aluminum receiver action just feels a bit "sticky", but expect that to smooth out.

[Grandpa Shooter]

Man In Black, I see you caught on quickly that this place is loaded with opinions about stuff whether correct, or germain to queries.....coincidentally, I just bought one today for homestead bebopping/truckgun/pest-control.

What you say is true, however, what comes up in the threads for me at least is useful information. If everyone limited themselves to only the exact question, then all of the extra "tidbits of knowledge" would never come up and therefore the thread would be very dry.

As long as the asides don't become nasty or disparaging, I enjoy them.

[12Bravo20]

Re-reading the OP, Yes the receiver on the .410 is smaller than on the 12/20's. I use mine for rabbits, squirrels, quail, and dove. I am addicted to the .410 and have 4 of them: NEF single shot, old Mossberg bolt action, Mossberg 500, and a Turkish O/U. Like I said in my first post, I have had mine for 20+ years and haven't had any problems with it.

[Otony]

Morning mtngunr,

Thanks for the great info. I am a bit concerned about the sound of that receiver wearing away inside. Does it seem like a terminal disease?

Sure is good to see you mention AK. I wrote him a month back about the birth of our new daughter Tatiana. Yup, thread drift here, but all these other good folks indulged, so I will too! :neener:

I need to write him a loooong letter about guns bought, and fun had. I wonder if he still seeking a smoothbore flintlock pistol? Lots of fun to be had there!

[mtngunr]

No terminal disease....unless eventually passing on is considered a terminal disease....the lifter has a stud on the rear of each arm, the studs just snap into holes on each side of the receiver when the arms are flexed inward....looks like a good $200-$275 gun..

Patterns are predictable .410, where its 20"/20yd patterns are about on par with 12ga Cyl bore/30"/30yd pattern density.

Dense core, sparse fringe...patterns fall apart quickly in the 25yd-30yd frame.

Winchester SuperSpeed 2.5" 1/2oz #6
max spread 19"/20yds, all but 9 pellets inside 12".

Winchester SuperX 3" 11/16th oz #7.5
almost identical.

Winchester HighSpeed AA 1/2oz #8, ditto.

No pattern had a hole in it any larger than a golf or tennis ball.

Fed Premium slugs and Barnaul sabots both shoot centered/POA at 20yds, 3-shots of each with no glasses going 1" or less.....

Survey sez, I LIKE it....if you can center your target, this gun will do the job at 15yds-25yds, longer range preferred if you intend eating what you shoot.

[mtngunr]

What you say is true, however, what comes up in the threads for me at least is useful information. If everyone limited themselves to only the exact question, then all of the extra "tidbits of knowledge" would never come up and therefore the thread would be very dry.



The problem being a lot of the "knowledge" posted is uninformed opinion based on either hearsay or equally uninformed magazine articles....

as I was taught years ago, there are two types of opinions folks can have, opinions you're entitled to, and opinions you're not entitled to...the internet has basically given folk the idea their opinions are just as valid as anyone else's, even if they don't know what they're talking about.

or, a total thread hijack such as what was happening to Otony's original and very specific queries. Someone wants a thread about .410 ammo prices and shopping, they should start a thread on the subject.....of course, I'VE never hijacked a thread (wink)...

Oh, and Otony, the gun manual/parts breakdown covers ALL pumps, so there's not that much difference between them....I think the gun is every bit as well made as a Remington 572 Fieldmaster pump .22, if that comparison rings a bell...also, belated congratulations on Tatiana....but ya'll are moving much too slow....you need many more orthodox if you expect to keep up with us Papist swine
(wink)....seriously, that's wonderful news....I still have the CH80, and just two months ago got the DR650 steroid scooter, the 10yr old Sportster going in trade.

[mtngunr]

MIB, just a little "practical patterning" addendum.....just came in from out back after one other little trial.

Keep in mind I'd only just fired 4 shotshells and 6 slugs through a gun with 12"LOP and 20"bbl....in short, I'm not used to the gun at all, so the following results can be viewed as worst-case pointing.

I set out 4 drink cans, spaced at 15yds, 20yds, 25yds, and 30yds...and the 25yd can blew over before being shot. Then proceeded to whack them as fast as I could work the stiff action, using the Winchester Hi-Speed Sporting Clays 1/2oz 1300fps #8 load.

15yd can, 30 pellets

20yd can, 13 pellets

25yd can, (shot end-on) 5 pellets

30yd can, 7 pellets

This should give you an ideer what you kin shoot with it...it'll work fine for my rural pest control without the noise/blast/recoil of 12ga loads (even the light loads, which I very much like).

[Otony]

Well, there are two kids here at Chez Otony, and that is likely all there will ever be, unles I come into a huge windfall (read: gigantic huge enormous).

Tatiana will graduate high school (God willing) when I am 71 years old (again, God willing). The thought of trying to put another child through college after her is just a wee bit daunting, I will admit! We have the plans in place to afford her and Vinnie tremendous educations, but another child would mean delaying my retirement quite a bit. Much as I love these two, I would much rather be retired with them, then working with more chilluns. Yeah, call me selfish.

Our son Vincenzo is now 2 1/2, so he is being groomed as the protective older brother type. So far he fits the bill. He seems to adore his little sister. We are very grateful, I have seen it the other way 'round and it is not a pretty picture.

Retirement is 594 days away as of this posting. We intend to sell the house here in California and relocate as soon as possible thereafter. Curently looking at Eastern Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. Lots of choices.

I sold my scooter, and passed on a heartbreaker deal yesterday for a Suzuki DRZ 400 SM, sob. Momma and I agreed the money was better spent on fixing up the house for resale, but when its sold, LOOK OUT!

How is that for drift? Oh, and thanks, looks like I will go down to the local Big 5 for a Mossie .410!

[Jody Johnson]

Mine has been trouble free...it's a great "woods-walker"...which is what I use it for.

Reciever is proportional to bore size...small and light.

Mine has a full choke and has done well for varmits, etc...
i.e., fine for it's intended use but probably nothing beyond that.

[mtngunr]

fine for it's intended use but probably nothing beyond that.

I use the .410 for 15-25yd hunting on pretty much anything...the smaller pattern with sparse fringe just doesn't leave much margin for error, is all....in, say, the 12"-18" core (depending on range), it puts just as many pellets on target and with the same velocity as a 12ga Cyl bore, which is another favorite hunting gun of mine....a great article on .410's is still this classic http://www.4-10.freeuk.com/malignedpage1.html

[JNewell]

as I was taught years ago, there are two types of opinions folks can have, opinions you're entitled to, and opinions you're not entitled to...the internet has basically given folk the idea their opinions are just as valid as anyone else's, even if they don't know what they're talking about.

I saw a cute tagline the other day:

The plural of anecdote is not data.

'nuf said...I appreciate your report on the .410. I have had a lifelong (50 years and counting, for a long time further, I hope) love affair with .410s. Most recent find was a NIB 9410 Packer, $425. I borrowed a colleague's car (I go to work on public transit) to pick the gun up before the shop closed that day.

[mtngunr]

Glad to be of service...freely admit even this report is more anecdotal than data, a survey sample of one not exactly hard research.

Favorite .410's have been a Winchester 37, the cheap Super Comanche .410 pistol (with wadstripper choke, it HAMMERS stuff at 30yds), a pre-WWI Ishapore sporter bored to .410/.303 in 1932 opened to 3" .410 on import 25yrs ago with the Cyl bore throwing outstanding patterns and a super rifle-sighted slug shooter, the M6 combo....

Kicked self for not getting a 9410 or Marlin several years back, BUT, this 505 would have ended up retiring either of them based just on short/light/handiness....neat little walk-about gun.

[32 Magnum]

I've had a Mossberg 500E- Home Security (18" barrel, 5+1, Cutts compensator and "spreader choke" for a number of years. I patterned it with #4 shot, 000 buck (3 pellets) and slugs at 25 feet (what I figured was a pratical range in my home) - a while back. 3" cartridge of #4 shot gave me a 14" pattern slightly low of the X ring; 000 buck gave me a four inch pattern with all three pellet strikes clustered around the X ring; 5 rounds of slugs gave me a nice grouping of about 3" clustered around the X ring (all fired at a B270 - 1/3 size - silhouette target). While I dont advocate using a .410 bore for HD or SD, it is far better performing than any hand gun of less than .40 S&W power level, easier to shoot and has very neglible recoil. In this configuration, I'm thinking the hunting value of the piece at ranges over 25 feet would be negligible. This Mossberg has not failed to feed or fire any of the ammo I've fed it, including Russian SILVER BEAR and S&B.
I keep a 20 ga. for close in home defense - #3 Buck loads.
http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/75e039sTgtAYjdviXB7S9umTDXlF*p5DICb4v4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg

[mtngunr]

Well, heck fahr, I keep an 870P 18" Cyl stuffed with #00 as my favorite assault rifle, but what fun is that?! (wink)

Truthfully, would just as soon grab the 32WCF loaded with 115grSWCs at 1400fps...they expand to .50cal and penetrate 12"-14"...with less noise than a .22LR.

The .410 slugs are more than many handgun rounds....try them on an EMPTY propane tank at 25-50yds along with favorite handgun rounds, if you don't believe.

Otony, give it 5-10yrs and you might change your mind about another child (wink)....hey, an FYI to check out if you end up looking at a black plastic stocked 500 .410.....
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=375314

[Matt-J2]

Shotgunning in general holds little to no appeal for me, but the .410, now that's a different story. :)

[mtngunr]

I happen to like shotguns, among other guns, but the .410 holds a special place in my affection....more effective than most want to believe, and with truly negligible recoil....folk that dislike .410's probably hate children, .22's, guns made of steel and wood, Mom, apple pie, and the American way, not to mention faithful dogs....probably commie sympathizers, or Air Caida operatives, know what I mean, Vern?

[Grandpa Shooter]

Many of these threads generate a lot of useful information. The fact that they sometimes get a little sideways doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother some of you. How much shotshells cost might be just what someone is looking for and stumbles across in a thread. Or they might get the impression that only yokels or hicks really like .410. Either way it may be useful to them.

I read quite a bit about the different gauges and bores and ended up with a Mossberg 500 12 gauge and just recently bought one of the Rossi/Braztech combos in .22 and .410 I can carry in a case on our quad. I prefer the .410 since it is fun to shoot. My Lady has a bad shoulder so she can get a kick out of the .410 where she would get slammed by the 12 gauge.

Just useful stuff I picked up by reading the "off topic" stuff you folks don't like.

[JNewell]

When I was (a lot) younger, my father had a 370 in .410. Now, that had a birch stock and I'm sure the receiver was probably potmetal rather than blued steel, but I have to tell you that I spent quite a few VERY enjoyable hours - hours still very fresh in my memory - hunting and shooting with that pedestrian piece.

There is something about a properly proportioned .410 pump that has always intrigued me. I've not yet given in to the urge, but some day I'm sure I will...and threads like this do not help me resist! :cool:

[chas08]

There is something about a properly proportioned .410 pump that has always intrigued me. I've not yet given in to the urge, but some day I'm sure I will...and threads like this do not help me resist!

Amen, I've been fighting an urge to own a Winchester Model 42 for sometime now. I know someday the right deal will come along and I'll give in. :)

[stew38]

anyone ever heard of noble 410 pump

[Mossberg535]

or, a total thread hijack such as what was happening to Otony's original and very specific queries. Someone wants a thread about .410 ammo prices and shopping, they should start a thread on the subject.....of course, I'VE never hijacked a thread (wink)...
"hijacking" this or any other thread was hardly the intent.
*I* just sold the gun myself and I assume that the OP is an intelligent human being who MIGHT want relevant information from someone who might actually have OWNED the gun in question.

There was no need for me to start a thread on 410 ammo prices since those prices are the main reason I sold the gun and I no longer own the gun, but it wasnt a bad idea to let someone contemplating the purchase of one know that there certainly would be a price difference compared to larger, more common gauges.

Id HOPE that when you or anyone else on this forum asks a direct question that if someone can toss in something else helpful to assist you in making YOUR decision that no one else gets offended by their straying from the straight and narrow and giving a little more information than asked for.

;)

[32 Magnum]

anyone ever heard of noble 410 pump

Stew,
Noble made a line of shotguns under their own label AND made a series for Harrington & Richardson: The 400 (12, 16 and 20 ga. pump - full size), the 401 (same gauges - slightly different receiver - with adjustable choke) and the Model 402(.410 bore pump - smaller scale receiver). I have one of each. The 402 is an elegant little piece, very similar in appearance to the early Win 12 - it has a single, left side draw bar, holds 5 3"ers in the tube mag. and one in the chamber, with right side ejection and a switch type safety at the top rear of the receiver - like Mossberg's. The action on mine is very "slick". The Models 400 and 402 have removable, aluminum side plates on the receiver while the Model 401 has a solid receiver. All three are well used but well taken care of and have very smooth actions. Not bad shotguns for under 200 bucks.