[s&w 24]

What uses do you see a long gun carried in your car/truck used for? Also I'll ask how likely are these situations?
I thought about it and I can't think of a personal protection senario were a no LEO would need a long gun or if you did could you actualy get it out of its storage area and get it into use? That leave dispatching of wounded game and potting the chance varmint (4 legs) and then you would be fine with a single shot rifle or shotgun, My current selections being a H&R 12 ga and a hawes SA 22 mag pistol.

The floor is open!

[jsalcedo]

I carry a 1911 in the center console just in case and because I can.
(only with a license)

I don't carry long guns because of space limitations
and possibility of theft.

[cordex]

1. going out to the range in case you unexpectedly get the chance
2. signaling
3. dispatching wounded animals
4. possibly loaning to LEO in need (compatible ammunition is a plus)
5. 4 legged varmints

Not necessary, but gives a few more options in some situations.

[keyhole]

I keep an Mossberg 500 in an S&W electric lock, just in case.
It came in handy during a 3 gun match, when I had left one of my other shotguns home, and wanted to shoot the match:D

And of course, the best reason, because I can:evil:

[AR-15Nutt]

IF.....! i were to carry a weapon in my vehicle..., i guess it would have to be my Carbon-15 & 5, 30 rnd. mags.

BUT my personal carry was a 9mm Baby Eagle.., it will soon be replaced with a brand new 4" Python.......!!

[willyjixx]

why limit us on what we can use? do that an well have to get a special permit to trasnport my AR-15 to registered shooting zones?

my mini 14 stays in the truck in case i go shooting after work

[Snake Eyes]

I can't think of a personal protection senario were a no LEO would need a long gun or if you did could you actualy get it out of its storage area and get it into use?
Maybe in downtown Minneapolis.

I spend a lot of time driving around Arizona, both on and off road. I never know what I'm going to run into--2 or 4 legged. There are some strange folks that have chosen to "get lost" in the big empty spaces of AZ. They might not have any bad intentions. Or they might be real unhappy to see me. I also never know if I'm going to break down or get stuck someplace and have to spend the night, or hike out. I can get to my SLR-95 pretty quick and if I need to buy a little time I can always "cover" with my handgun.

One thing I know I'm not going to run into in the wilds of AZ is an LEO.

I used to carry my pre-ban shorty Bushmaster but I worried about having a $1500++ rifle riding around in my truck. Not to mention questioning the true functionality of a 10.5" barrel for a long gun. Now I keep the SLR-95 along with 6 loaded 30 rounders and 300 rounds of mil-surp in the truck.
Also I'll ask how likely are these situations?
Probably just slightly more likely than ever actually needing my CCW gun.

But I don't think that means I should leave 'em at home.

Peter

[SunBear]

My truck gun is a SIG 226 w/ 5 15-rd mags and its main purpose is to help someone else such as a LEO, remembering that it's hard to tell who the BG is when you come late to a gunfight Smooth is fast.

[Shalako]

So no one else envisions a terrorist type individual carrying a satchel charge into the oil refinery?

Or the guy that just broke out of Folsom Prison that's trying to carjack the beautiful blonde in the Lexus?

Or maybe the guys in the Hollywood Bank Heist Pt II, or....,
ah heck, I need to get back to reality.

.......Because I can! That's good enough.

[hutch24]

Because you just never know when that trophy moose is going to show up. :evil:

[telomerase]

>I thought about it and I can't think of a personal protection senario were a no LEO would need a long gun or if you did could you actualy get it out of its storage area and get it into use?

How about: your car insists on breaking down in south Dallas (twice now)?

The moose reason is good too; if a trophy moose shows up in south Dallas and assaults me I'd never be able to stop it with my CCW.

[MountainPeak]

Not all of us live in areas where it has to be stored!! My state is legal loaded, concealed, unconcealed. Your vehicle is basically considered, as it should be, an extension of your home. Whoops, I forgot, some of you in the east and other located cities, don't have "home is my castle" PRIVILEGES. Strange how the violent crime rates are so much higher where manyof you live. I was a long time resident of an area that deemed me unfit to protect myself and family. I moved. It is my RIGHT to protect myself and family. Maybe, someday, I'll run out of states that endorse that. Many of you put up with it. Keep up the good fight.

[duckfoot]

yugo sks (with bayonet) and lots of ammo on stripper clips

because I can:evil:

[one-shot-one]

i seldom carry a long gun in my auto but i think the best answer to this would be an extension of the old ccw saying. you use you ccw to fight your way back to your long gun, so use your auto gun to fight your way bak to your home guns.:p

[Neal Bloom]

I feel naked without one.

[Josey]

Hey Cattle in the roadway. Escaped prisoners. Large feral dogs. Deer that wander into town. I have a M-N 44 in 7.62X54R and a Baikal 12 bore. Utility.

[AZTOY]

I spend a lot of time driving around Arizona, both on and off road. I never know what I'm going to run into--2 or 4 legged. There are some strange folks that have chosen to "get lost" in the big empty spaces of AZ. They might not have any bad intentions. Or they might be real unhappy to see me. I also never know if I'm going to break down or get stuck someplace and have to spend the night, or hike out.

Want he seid:D


The truck gun is a ruger mini-14 with 2 PMI 30 round mags.

[XxAR10xX]

:scrutiny:

[gunsmith]

It's on 2am mondays in SF,CA.
I was up late watching one time and
it related a true story of a guy saving a women
hostage before the cops got there.
A man was holding a women hostage with a handgun
the good guy had to keep his distance but he had a mini 14
(scoped) the guy had the women on the ground and was going to kill her
so the good guy shot him.
She lived to thank him,thats one mom who is not going to believe
mike moore etc

[Matt G]

In my pre-LEO days, my truck gun was a stock SKS with a few stripper clips. I had no CHL, and in TX, that was the only legal way for me to carry. (Long guns are legal to carry, without regard to being visible or loaded in TX.) As my sliding rear window latch broke beyond repair and I couldn't guarentee it to be safe, I removed it about the time I became a LEO, and began to carry a pistol with me on my person at all times.

Now I don't drive that truck anymore, and have been thinking about getting a subtle little case to store the SKS again in my current vehicle-- a Honda. Why?
A: Why not?
B: Life is full of unforseen circumstances.
C: More than once I've had a person I trusted ask if I had a loaner.

[greyhound]

What uses do you see a long gun carried in your car/truck used for?

well lets see, here in MD it would be very useful for getting yourself severely hassled/arrested by an anti-self defense State Trooper.:D

Man I'm jealous of y'all!

[Politically Incorrect]

I guess a .416 Rigby truck gun could be used in case a rampaging elephant escapes from the circus. :neener:

[Orthonym]

1.Whatever.

2.It depends.

[Fel]

Shorty Bushmaster rides in the car always. If I am driving up to the city (Tucson) I will add a pistol-gripped 870.

[Bigjake]

With the whole turing 18 thing, i got me a winchester 94 in 30-30, and it rides in a soft case under the seat always. better safe than sorry right?

[Skibane]

The premise of the question isn't much different from that of the average person who is opposed to handguns or "assault rifles": What on earth could you possibly need that for? Buried behind that question is an assumption that LEOs are (1.) always only seconds away, and (2.) will respond to virtually any call for help, regardless of its nature.

Wrong.

By necessity, your automobile or pickup is almost always no more than a short distance from wherever you are. Rattlesnake or rabid racoon got the maintenance man cornered at work? The solution is out in the parking lot. Relative calls you at 4:47 AM after seeing an intruder in the back yard? The solution is already in the vehicle you're driving to his/her house. A couple of Good Ol' Boys at the local boat marina wonder out loud what's to keep them from waylaying you and driving off with your new BassTracker? The answer is about 18 inches from where your right hand is, behind the front seat.

Truck/trunk guns are the CCW solution for situations where a handgun either isn't practical or isn't allowed.

[444]

I carried an AR7 in my car for many years. It served two purposes. One, if I decided on the spur of the moment that I wanted to shoot. And two, if I was shooting and decided I wanted to shoot a .22 rifle and didn't bring another one. One of these two occured frequently.
Now, when traveling the back country, I usually carry a Yugo Mauser. I plink distant rocks, or I might take a pot shot at a jackrabbit or coyote.
In both cases, I suppose if I needed it for some self defense senario, it was there.

[C.R.Sam]

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I spend a lot of time driving around Arizona, both on and off road. I never know what I'm going to run into--2 or 4 legged. There are some strange folks that have chosen to "get lost" in the big empty spaces of AZ. They might not have any bad intentions. Or they might be real unhappy to see me. I also never know if I'm going to break down or get stuck someplace and have to spend the night, or hike out.
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Works for me.
Specially if one of my shortcuts eats up an extra day or so.

Sam

[hso]

If the first rule is carry a gun and the second is carry enough gun then the car/truck gun shoud be as much as will fit conveniently. If you live where you can't leave the gun in the car "safely" then it's as much gun as you can tote.

[s&w 24]

I'm still not convinced of the usefulness of having a combat type long gun in the car/truck. Most of the situations mentioned can be handled with cheapo shotguns or a proper sized CCW. The hole reason the question came up was I was thinking if you take the coolness factor out of having a combat gun of the month in your car and look at it as a tool the you will ask what is it good for and what can it do for me as a utility item not a cool thing to have in the trunk. I'm not aposed to assault weapons and such but I'm just thinking if I'm spending $700 or more on a gun I want it to be of good use.

[seeker_two]

Charles Whitman...
John Muhammad...
Luke Woodham...
Jonesboro, AK...
Columbine, CO...

Any questions...:scrutiny:






(I also agree about the type of long gun. A NEF single-shot or ..30-30 lever gun would be enough, and easy to explain away to the LEO's--esp. during hunting season. If you need a rifle, you need it for accuracy--not "spray & pray".)

[Skibane]

I'm not aposed to assault weapons and such but I'm just thinking if I'm spending $700 or more on a gun I want it to be of good use.

No reason it has to cost $700. In fact, if theft or corrosion are concerns, the cheaper the better. With brand-new Saiga Sporters or like-new Yugo SKSs going for under $160, the gun's cost doesn't have to be a factor. (Want cheaper still? Give your vehicle a truely historical touch by throwing a $50 Mosin-Nagant M-44 in the trunk!:D )

[BenW]

Well, a factor in CA might be that it is one of the few things you are allowed to do. No "assault weapons" or loaded weapons, but I've not found anything in the regs that prohibits carry of an unloaded long gun and ammunition. From the CADOJ website (I AM NOT a lawyer!):

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SHOTGUNS AND RIFLES

Nonconcealable firearms (rifles and shotguns) are not generally covered within the provisions of California Penal Code section 12025 and therefore are not required to be transported in a locked container. However, as with any firearm, nonconcealable firearms must be unloaded while they are being transported. A rifle or shotgun that is considered an assault weapon in California must be transported in accordance with Penal Code section 12026.1.
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Of course this is only generic and certain commie municipalities "override" it. And 12026.2 (12) specifically states that State Parks can prohibit carry. Basically carry is expressly forbidden "except for" and then there are about three pages of exemptions to the prohibition that cover most areas. And yes I know the law should work exactly opposite of this. We ARE trying to kick all the bums out of office. :)

[Dr.Rob]

Hit a deer once, lucky I had something with me to put it down.

You can guage your own level of need, but mostly if I'm traveling there will be a gun in the car. Colorado law says I can so I do.

By travel I mean out of the city.

[johnr]

My wife & I keep a sidearm in the glove box and something similar to this:

http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/87008a.jpg

in the trunk. And yes, it's registered & tax paid. For those special occasions when a pistol just isn't enough firepower.

[JShirley]

a combat type long gun

means what? People have pressed into action such weapons as they've had, in the past. Therefore, whatever firearm they were using in a fight becomes a combat firearm, right?

The whole point of having a longarm in your vehicle is to handle emergencies that may arise. Your choice of arm will depend on some combination of funds and predicted potential need. (IE, if you live on the open plain, a scoped bolt rifle may be the most practical "combat type long gun" you could choose.) Having a relatively high-capacity, rapid reload rifle such as some lever actions and many semi-autos just means that you, the user, have more options, when compared to weapons that have less range, hold less ammo, and can put less lead downrange in a hurry.

Personally, my priorities in a vehicle gun include short overall length and relatively high power, as those trucks may take some killin'*.

John
*(Only partially joking. Vehicular assault isn't that uncommon, and a ton or more of moving steel makes a hell of a weapon.)

[Moparmike]

Question: What about states that require ammo to be stored seprately from the gun? In AR, I have to have the ammo in a completely different part of the vehicle (if I understand correctly, if not please correct me).

I have a fairly expensive car and would like to protect it. While I cant CCW for another 10 months, I would like to carry something with a smidge more firepower.

Stupid question: Firearm laws for "on campus" excursions are broad enough that carrying locked firearms in the trunk is still verboten, ja?

[Thumper]

Question: What about states that require ammo to be stored seprately from the gun? In AR, I have to have the ammo in a completely different part of the vehicle (if I understand correctly, if not please correct me).

I assume you're referring to handguns, Mike. You'd be hard pressed to find a single vehicle without a loaded long gun in my Arkansas hometown.

[Smoke]

My truck gun is not a "Combat style" gun.

It is usually one of the following:

45-70 Handi Rifle
30-30 Win 94
Ruger .223 Bolt


They will handle almost anything that comes up. Most often is the need to dispatch a coyote. I have shot deer (in season) as they showed up or meat was needed.

Good for defense if the need was there. So far it hasn't.

[Double Naught Spy]

seeker_two, VERY Good!

To those I would add the

North Hollywood bank robbery (this could have ended much sooner)
any number of gangster era events with folks like Dillinger

[Glamdring]

IMO one of the main reasons to have a long gun in vehicale is so you can have something more than a CCW at night when staying in hotel or camping or such.

We all know handguns are weak compared to a shotgun, carbine, or rifle.

[fourdeuce82d]

I keep a rossi .357 lever gun under the rear seat of the truck, out of sight. It's backup to the 5" kimber in the console.

Little more smack, little more range, little more accuracy.

[plainsman66]

I dont' spend much time on paved roads so my truck gun is /has been used to dispatch various animals,but mostly coyotes when the 17hmr won't reach.and the synthetic remmy in 30-06 and scope is kinda tactical.

[Roadkill Coyote]

or two...
Here's a scenario for you. You are outside your place of business, work, whatever, in a rural or sparce suburban area. Someone runs out of the building screaming that a disgruntled whack job is inside shooting people. The police are several minutes away. You may or may not want to go into the building dependent upon your assessment of the situation, but wouldn't you want to have a rifle, if the oportunity to stop the killing presented itself? These situations are not confined to urban areas any more. (this is of course based upon the assumption that you have the sense to know that it is dangerous, and that the police are going to show up shortly and suspect anyone with a gun is the shooter).

:evil: But the real reason for a truck gun...

http://toplessjeepchick.homestead.com/files/toon1.jpg

[goon]

It is just a gun that you have along for no particular reason.
Many I have seen were single barrel shotguns or the well known Winchester 94.
Mine is usually whatever is on my hip at the time.
It will depend on where you live.
In my area, no one would bat an eye if they saw a riot gun in the back window of your pick-up. Hell, some of them would probably want to shoot it.
In some areas, it will be a handgun by necessity.
They are typically inexpensive and durable. They will be abused and neglected. They will be cleaned infrequently and banged around constantly, and they will still have to work flawlessly.

[Ridgeway]

does anyone have a link to a site that might list state laws regarding having a long gun in the trunk

I'm not yet able to get a CCW permit in KY, so having a long gun in my trunk is my only option should the need arise- yet I'm not positive on how I can transport it ie loaded/unloaded etc(and or if I can keep a loaded handgun in the glovebox as I'm only 18, and you must be 21 to purchase a handgun[I got my mother to buy my handgun for me])
I checked packing.org but couldn't find satisfactory answers.

thx

[AZTOY]

Welcome to THR, Ridgeway

This is the best website for carrying laws!!!

http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/kentucky

[s&w 24]

so if a civilian had a long gun at one of the scenario's above what real good could you do with it? I understand that with whitman civilian rifle owners that happened to be in the area were the only ones that could land any bullets near the guy but columbine? North hollywood? how would a long gun in your car help you better than a proper CCW?

As far as the other less expensive semi rifles, It's not a question of cost but more of getting good use out of what guns I do buy,if I by a $10 gun or one thats $2000 I want it to be of use not something that just collects dust especialy if the cheaper gun will do the job just as well because that means more money for ammo/training.

[AZTOY]

how would a long gun in your car help you better than a proper CCW?

#1 A rifle has more Stoping power than a pistol. North hollywood the cop 9mm DID NOTHING. This why thay got the ar-15 in .223 from the gun store.

#2 range of fire, If you need shot over 25 yards!

#3 Most CCW gun only hold 8 to 10 shots. In a rifle you can have 30 rounds.

#4 You don't need to be so close to the danger.

#5 Fear, i would be more scared facing a rifle then a pistol.

[MicroBalrog]

So no one else envisions a terrorist type individual carrying a satchel charge into the oil refinery?

That has actually happened here. Bomb attached to tanker truck going into oil storage facility. Truck blew up, but, luckily, automatic extinguishers did their job. If they hadn't, over 30,000+ people would be dead.

[s&w 24]

#1 I'll give you that one. Rifles and shotguns do have more energy to put on target that a pistol.

#2 pistols can and have been used at longer ranges than 25 yds, most old police pistol qualifiers were fired out to 50 yds and I've shot targets out to 200 yards with a pistol before and accuratly.

#3 not true. most service pistols in 9 mm and 40 S&W can carry more ammo in the mag than that, some have 20 or 30 rnd mags available for them

#4 for a non LEO if you can get far enough away that you would be out of a goblins pistol range your far enough away to get out of the situation. On the other hand if they are shooting at you with a rifle your in big trouble.

#5 they are both lethal force!!!! they will both kill you!!!!

[Skunkabilly]

Only reason I don't have one is worry of theft.

[Carlos Cabeza]

I'm not in the habit of discussing things that may or may not be in my truck.
:cool: A shorty and a couple of 30 rounders could handle most situations. Don't keep it there on a daily basis, only when I expect to go to the range.;)

Rattlesnake or rabid racoon got the maintenance man cornered at work?

skibane !! You lookin' for a job ??? We could use a guy like you ! :cool:

[Kharn]

Johnr:
Is that registered as a SBS or an AOW? I wouldnt mind a Rem 870 AOW (the SBS tax isnt worth it, in my opinion), but I dont believe there are many stripped recievers available that have never had a buttstock attached.

Kharn

[Bigjake]

#2 pistols can and have been used at longer ranges than 25 yds, most old police pistol qualifiers were fired out to 50 yds and I've shot targets out to 200 yards with a pistol before and accuratly.

Well, i'll be the first to admit i don't have your pistol prowess to nail ANYTHING out at 200 yds acurately (with a pistol), unless you consider a T/C hand rifle a pistol. Also, if that were true of the police, the NH shootout pry wouldn't have lasted as long as it did. notice none of the police could make that headshot when it counted??


#3 not true. most service pistols in 9 mm and 40 S&W can carry more ammo in the mag than that, some have 20 or 30 rnd mags available for them

And how many folks run around with 30 rnd mags in thier ccw guns??? why not just carry the dang rifle which IS more powerful, and at that point just as concealable as the pistol with the 3 foot mag sticking out of it.


#4 for a non LEO if you can get far enough away that you would be out of a goblins pistol range your far enough away to get out of the situation. On the other hand if they are shooting at you with a rifle your in big trouble.


another preference issue. for me any range is rifle range, and if the time comes to rock and roll around my vehicle, my situational awareness will have the rifle right there at the ready, and in that kind of fight the man with the rifle is the one most likely to win.


#5 they are both lethal force!!!! they will both kill you!!!!

depending on which AR-15 owner you ask, the evil black rifle will definatly kill you more deader-er! :neener:

edited for poor grammar

[willyjixx]

whats it anyones busines whats in my truck

an for 700 bucks you could get an AR an AK/SKS or a mini 14
all which could be considered or turned into an Assualt Rifle. (misnomer)


so really what does it matter. pack what you want an dont worry about the next guy.

[Hutch]

You can sum it up in one word: You never know.

[Futo Inu]

Where I live in the city, try as I might, I cannot think of a good reason to have a pickup RIFLE. :( I do have a pickup pistol (1911) in a carsafe bolted to the floorboard, with 2 extra mags, for defensive purposes, but I can't imagine I would ever have the need for a truck rifle. But if I ever moved to the country, I could see it, and would probably get the Kel-Tec SU-16 - not expensive if it gets stolen, and folds in half.