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KiltedClaymore
July 28, 2008, 06:50 PM
ok, i wanna see some of your bowie knives. or really any favorite large knife.

heres mine (not a pic of MY knife, same make and model, just im lazy and didnt want to dig out my camera)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb238/thedreadfather_2007/0400794_d_000.jpg


dad has one from the 60's and i got one afew years back to give his "company"

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auschip
July 28, 2008, 08:00 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2368/2043966396_65443e9abb_b.jpg

My American Kami Bowie. If I ever get a chance, I hope to take this one on a hog hunt.

KiltedClaymore
July 28, 2008, 08:02 PM
i'd love to hunt with my bowie. it's named a "pig sticker" for a reason!:D

JShirley
July 28, 2008, 08:07 PM
Here's a pic of my HI Crow Bowie, next to two very large (Desert Cruiser and Buck Stryder) folders.

The spots are from the very persistent oil on the blade...

http://photos-225.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v40/216/117/69403225/n69403225_30194510_4395.jpg

KiltedClaymore
July 28, 2008, 08:09 PM
the yin yang on the handle is a nice touch!

JShirley
July 28, 2008, 08:10 PM
Thanks. :)

All my HIs would fall into the big knife category, if you didn't just go with "short sword". ;)

Joe Demko
July 28, 2008, 08:13 PM
There's a Cold Steel Laredo Bowie (http://images.coldsteel-knives.com/Lg/3456_1/39LLB_Cold_Steel_Laredo_Bowie.jpg)around here somewhere I got for cheap.
I have a Randall #14 Attack (http://www.agrussell.com/var/storage/original/image/phpv7Kz5x.jpg) that I think is absolutely the shiznit.
If I can find it, there's a Muela Bowie Piggyback set (http://www.discountcutlery.net/media/CI7220P.jpg), too; though I bought mine over 20 years ago and the knives are a little different from the ones in the picture. Mine have wooden handles for one thing.
Hanging on the wall in my basement are some other bowie knives. There's a cheap Pakistani bowie of the same pattern as KiltedClaymore's knife. Oddly enough, the Pakistanis apparently made a good one by accident when they did this one. I've no idea what scrap metal they used for the blade, but it is very hard and very tough. There's a pair of souvenier knives an old friend had made in the Philipines during WWII (the big one). They have buffalo horn handles and follow the general south Pacific style in construction, but the blades are definitely American-style bowies.

JShirley
July 28, 2008, 08:19 PM
Joe,

I like the #14 a lot, except for the handle. :( Those finger ridges...

Joe Demko
July 28, 2008, 08:19 PM
#14 can be had without them.

JShirley
July 28, 2008, 08:24 PM
Guess that's yet another to add to the list of "after I hit the bestseller lists..."
;)

Joe Demko
July 28, 2008, 08:26 PM
Get something on the bestseller lists and I'll give you mine. You can have it rehandled.

Dave P
July 28, 2008, 08:44 PM
Here's a classic Randall I have had for a while:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Finster123/Knives/PB110404.jpg

KiltedClaymore
July 28, 2008, 09:00 PM
so i found out what type my bowie is. its a James Black/Musso pattern S-guard bowie knife

KiltedClaymore
July 28, 2008, 09:05 PM
also found out that in the late 1830's, several southern states passed anti-bowie knife legislation attempting to curtail the manufacture and sale of the implements. In 1837, the Alabama legislature imposed a $100 transfer tax on bowie knives and stipulated that any killing with a bowie knife was murder regardless of the circumstances (Cramer 1999)

wuluf
July 28, 2008, 09:39 PM
Here's a knife I brought back from the Oregon Knife Show last April, next to a
3" model 36 for scale. It was the artist's first show and i just liked the work.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/wuluf56/knifewithmodel36.jpg

crackhead
July 28, 2008, 09:42 PM
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa81/crackhead912/IMAG0006.jpg

oldways
July 28, 2008, 10:22 PM
My BRKT Rogue

oldways
July 28, 2008, 10:25 PM
My fave large knife

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 28, 2008, 10:59 PM
Dave P, heck of a good pigsticker there. Those Randalls are beee-yooots.

I wouldn't be surprised if JS was the technical advisor on the first Crocodile Dundee film, when they got to "that's not a knife; now THERE's a knife" scene. At's a biggun. :)

P.S./hijack: I have that same Desert Cruiser folder. It's one of my 3 favorite large folders, and one of my top 6 or 7 favorites of any folder. It's just very aesthetically pleasing, as well as highly functional.

hso
July 28, 2008, 11:00 PM
Hey, John. Which one should I post?

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 28, 2008, 11:02 PM
All of them! :)

hso
July 28, 2008, 11:08 PM
PremiumSauces,

I'll try to get a group photo of them to save on space. Right now I think I have 8-10 custom "Bowies".

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 28, 2008, 11:17 PM
Schweet - I can't wait to check them out! :)

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 12:18 AM
agreed. family pics are always good!

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 01:16 AM
Premium, it's just less than 19" OAL. :)

hso is likely to make y'all die of envy when he posts that picture...

hso
July 29, 2008, 02:15 AM
I could just post the new Wheeler, but that might do it all by itself.;)

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 02:21 AM
just post a pic! we're getting jumpy with all this hype!

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 12:52 PM
KC, here's a picture of a 16.5" Chiruwa AK (http://www.kosterknives.com/chiruwa3.jpg)with custom handle work by Dan Koster. Derek has it now.

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 01:13 PM
that, is a beutiful knife Shirley.

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 01:33 PM
Thanks, KC.

Here's a picture of a Kim Breed next to the Crow.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/Jinete_delViento/BreedNCrow.jpg?t=1217349035

Premium, I actually gave both the Cruiser and the Stryder away, to other troops. I don't want to sound like I'm a saint, or anything- they were both given to me, and I just passed 'em on. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/Jinete_delViento/RecStry1.jpg?t=1217349168

John

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 01:40 PM
they were both given to me, and I just passed 'em on.

it's called "payin' it foward"

how much did the Breed run you?

Regolith
July 29, 2008, 01:52 PM
Not a bowie knife, but it has a similar blade pattern:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Koloblicin/Knives%20and%20Guns/favcomknife.jpg

It's a Becker BK7. It was apparently designed as a replacement for the Ka-Bar, but the .mil folks weren't buying. As far as I know, these haven't been sold since Camillus went out of business, but I heard the guy who designed them is looking for another manufacturer. It makes a very decent utility knife, though its a bit heavy.

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 02:00 PM
replacement for the Ka-Bar

not possible. no man can make a better blade than the Ka-Bar, a knife designed by the gods.

auschip
July 29, 2008, 02:06 PM
not possible. no man can make a better blade than the Ka-Bar, a knife designed by the gods.

Can I be the first to say that the Kabar has never really impressed me? I just don't get the hype that many attribute to this knife. :confused:

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 02:12 PM
KC,

I think a Damascus Breed with about a 7 1/2" blade will run you around $800, depending on handle material.

John

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 02:13 PM
just a bit out of my price range...

JHansenAK47
July 29, 2008, 02:24 PM
not possible. no man can make a better blade than the Ka-Bar, a knife designed by the gods.
The Ka-Bar is a hard design to beat.
As far as I know, these haven't been sold since Camillus went out of business, but I heard the guy who designed them is looking for another manufacturer.
Supposedly they will be put in production by Ka-Bar after the 2009 shot show.
It's a Becker BK7. It was apparently designed as a replacement for the Ka-Bar, but the .mil folks weren't buying. According to Ethan Becker they were good sellers at camillus and their demise was more related to Camillus closing their doors.
https://www.kabar.com/pdf/pr_becker_knife_tool.pdf
I got a becker necker. I like the knife but hate the bottle opener like none other. The thing rubs on my hand so I've never used mine. I'll probably trade it of give it away for a bday/xmas present when I don't want to buy something. I'm still pissed I didn't buy a Bk7 when I had the chance. I ordered one right as camillus went out of business so they were permanently out of stock where I ordered from. Then I was going to to the Extreme or whatever it was called in s30v but it was sold out at knifecenter so I never did that either. I just hope they bring the BK7 back into production. I don't think I'll buy the base model as it will probably be 1095 and instead get one in D2 or S30v(whatever Kabar feels like making them in if they do make them).

Mike Sastre
July 29, 2008, 02:30 PM
Here's a Custom Bagwell Hell's Belle, Custom Bagwell Bowie, Custom Greg Covington Bowie & Hawk, and a Custom Bowie by Matt Lamey.

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 02:34 PM
Mike,

I'm not usually much for stag, but that Covington is sweet.

Also, remind me to keep my distance if you're ever pissed at me. :D

John

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 02:37 PM
im sure you could take him with that kurki of yours!

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 02:40 PM
Mike would have speed, and the back cut.

And protective armwear. KC, you might benefit from looking up good bowie fighting technique.

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 02:41 PM
arm warmers for the fighting man?

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 02:42 PM
Look at my recent threads with the Razor Sword and small knife effectiveness.

Thick leather might mean that you just get a bruise instead of a debilitating cut.

The Tourist
July 29, 2008, 02:51 PM
...yikes, more eye-candy of Bagwells and things I cannot afford...

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 02:54 PM
you could make one.....

garlicguy
July 29, 2008, 03:12 PM
http://www.bearandsoncutlery.com/clientuploads/directory/Products/502_d_1_tan.jpg

A Damascus Bladed Bowie from Bear Cutlery. Actually, mine has a smooth white-bone handle and I love carrying it while hunting. Maybe a Grizzly wouldn't laugh itself to death if I were reduced to brandishing it...

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 03:22 PM
Very pretty, thanks.

hso
July 29, 2008, 04:06 PM
http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=78862&d=1211716199

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 04:08 PM
i cant see the picture. all i got is a red X in a white square.

hso
July 29, 2008, 04:16 PM
http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4094&d=1056074699

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 04:18 PM
same again. my computor just hates your knife i guess.. :(

hso
July 29, 2008, 04:23 PM
you could make one.....

Easy to say. Not so easy to do. If you've ever handled one you'd understand how difficult it might be to make a knife with a 12-16 inch blade feel weightless in your hand.


my computor just hates your knife i guess..

Not knife, knives. You're missing out on seeing three different big bowies from three different custom makers.

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 04:28 PM
Not knife, knives. You're missing out on seeing three different big bowies from three different custom makers.


..rub it in.....:cuss:

hso
July 29, 2008, 04:39 PM
..rub it in.....:cuss:

One's damascus with stag. :evil:

hso
July 29, 2008, 04:41 PM
I'll be nice.

Try this.

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4094&d=1056074699

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=78862&d=1211716199

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 04:43 PM
WOW! :D



first link worked, second didnt. but it's cool.

hso
July 29, 2008, 05:02 PM
http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4094&d=1056074699

how 'bout now?

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 05:03 PM
yup!

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 05:05 PM
That Wheeler is incredibly pretty, but I still think that Breed is my favorite knife.

Ever.

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 05:11 PM
found out who makes my dads bowie. its made by a company called "WESTERN"

here is a picture

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb238/thedreadfather_2007/2-27-western.jpg

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 29, 2008, 05:13 PM
I actually gave both the Cruiser and the Stryder away, to other troops. I don't want to sound like I'm a saint, or anything- they were both given to me, and I just passed 'em on

A very good deed nevertheless, JS - now if a trooper got the Damascus steel Breed - THEN you'd a Saint. Great pictures all. I'll get a pic of my junk large fixed-bladers this evening to put up against these beautiful high-quality ones - it'll be good for a laugh.

hso, I can't see your pictures (within the thread) either, though I can see all the others. When I click your link, it says "you do not have permission to access that page" - maybe I have to re-login to see....

ahhh, ok, now I see. The top one is just beautiful. The bottom one is nice, but the termites have been after the base of the blade a bit. :confused:

hso
July 29, 2008, 05:31 PM
PS,

There's the picture of the Wheeler all by itself. It is a sole authorship forged damascus subhilt with stag. Gary said the blade just wanted to be big so he let it. It ended up over a foot long.

Then there's the picture of the Dempsy and the Breed together. The Breed is forged tool steel with stag. The Dempsy is a stock removal knife of 154-CM with maroon micarta.

Not sure what you mean by "termites" though unless you're referring to the "Spanish Notch". In that case the termite had diamond toofers.;)

John has handled the Termite Bowie. John wouldn't you say it's "lively"?

CK
July 29, 2008, 05:35 PM
I am sort of particular to knife maker in my area called George Tichbourne.

http://www.tichbourneknives.com/index1.htm

I was in his workshop two weeks ago, having my knife sharpened, and he showed me his damascus steel bowie. Would love to have one of those. A really nice guy.

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 05:39 PM
Im partial to D-gaurd bowies meself.

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 05:46 PM
Let me say it again.

That Breed is my no-bull, favorite knife. EVER. It has the incredible, indescribable feeling of some of John Greco's work, which is a spiritual thing. It also wants to move by itself.

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 06:18 PM
^no one is disputing that^

hso
July 29, 2008, 06:38 PM
It also wants to move by itself.

:D

Yes, it does.

The Dempsey is "heavy". The grip is great, but the knife isn't lively. It has that sharpened bar of steel feel to it. (Yes, I know it is a sharpened bar of steel).

The Wheeler has more mass than the Termite Bowie, but it also is lively.

Kim suggested to Gary that he didn't need to make the bowie a working knife since it was so pretty it would just end up on display, but Gary insisted that he wanted it to be able to do it's job if I had to reach out for something in an emergency. So it's a live blade instead of a safe queen.

What is it about these SF guys and their screwy ideas about even pretty knives working when they need to. ;)

Regolith
July 29, 2008, 07:08 PM
Supposedly they will be put in production by Ka-Bar after the 2009 shot show.

That's good to hear. Ka-Bar is a good fit for them.


According to Ethan Becker they were good sellers at camillus and their demise was more related to Camillus closing their doors.
https://www.kabar.com/pdf/pr_becker_knife_tool.pdf

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that they didn't sell well, just that the military contracts failed to materialize. There are a lot of folks who liked the Becker knives, and they were a pretty good value for how well they were made.


I got a becker necker. I like the knife but hate the bottle opener like none other. The thing rubs on my hand so I've never used mine. I'll probably trade it of give it away for a bday/xmas present when I don't want to buy something. I'm still pissed I didn't buy a Bk7 when I had the chance. I ordered one right as camillus went out of business so they were permanently out of stock where I ordered from. Then I was going to to the Extreme or whatever it was called in s30v but it was sold out at knifecenter so I never did that either. I just hope they bring the BK7 back into production. I don't think I'll buy the base model as it will probably be 1095 and instead get one in D2 or S30v(whatever Kabar feels like making them in if they do make them).

I always meant to get a BK11, but by the time I had money I was willing to spend on it production was shut down and everyone ran out of stock. Guess we both had the same bad luck right after Camillus closed shop.

mec
July 29, 2008, 08:07 PM
Here's a Searles type Bowie like the one in the Alamo presented by Resin Bowie to a Captain Fowler of the USMR. From Dixie GunWorks
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=41011&stc=1&d=1149974529
A Sheffield type by Katz Knives
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=82112&stc=1&d=1217372275
A James Black pattern Ontario Marine Bowie that won't break the bank account. 1095 carbon steel and extra sharp
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=82113&stc=1&d=1217372737

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 08:25 PM
i like that sheffield

Mike Sastre
July 29, 2008, 08:32 PM
Got to handle HSO's Wheeler at Blade - moves VERY WELL! If you check the "arm warmers" out you'll notice the spring steel strips - they WILL take a hit. Here's more eye candy.

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 08:36 PM
i was just yankin' your chain with the armwarmer comment :neener:

Bob R
July 29, 2008, 08:39 PM
BK&T Combat Bowie. A very heavy knife, in case I need to lop the head off of a goat or something along those lines.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Bob8251/100_2013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Bob8251/100_2016.jpg

This is a group of others.

From top to bottom:

Blackjack Mamba 7-l made in IL.

Benchmade Delta Raider

Cold Steel Black Bear Classic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Bob8251/100_0434.jpg

bob

KiltedClaymore
July 29, 2008, 08:42 PM
that black bear is one looker of a knife. and how can they call a knife a combat classic with no hand guard!?!?!

Bob R
July 29, 2008, 08:44 PM
The Black Bear is a beauty of a knife, and for me fits my hand very well. It is one of the best balanced knives I have ever played with, like an extension of your arm, it is just there.

bob

gb6491
July 29, 2008, 09:25 PM
Some very nice bowies showing up, my thanks to all for sharing them:)
I've owned several custom and production bowies over the years and while I admire it as an American icon (and love the look of them) I'm just not a bowie guy. The only one I use very often is an older Cold Steel Bush Ranger. Lightweight with a high, thin flat grind, it makes for a dandy camp chef knife:D
http://i34.tinypic.com/2ihaxk3.jpg
Here it is with some other large working knives that I prefer:
http://i33.tinypic.com/t7z5s0.jpg
Buck custom and the Bush ranger:
http://i33.tinypic.com/qzhpnk.jpg
Regards,
Greg

Mongrel
July 29, 2008, 10:17 PM
Very nice knives being shown...

How about some blue collar 'Bowies'? :D

Everyone should have at least one of these around the house...

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/341532106_GVGNj-L-1.jpg

A few working man Greco's (what else?)...

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/341532115_JaYSu-L.jpg

Yea, I know you've seen it before but this pic is much better! :neener:

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/341531898_MDak8-L.jpg

How about a Benchmade (CSK)?

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/341532185_Kyf2e-L.jpg

Like I said, ain't fancy-aint expensive, but they'll all cut 'ya :eek:

hso
July 29, 2008, 10:18 PM
Hey, Mike! When's that Blades on the Beach?

BTW, Pincus is putting on a 3 day here this weekend.

Valkman
July 29, 2008, 10:42 PM
This is the first "Bowie" type knife I made, a 5" Super Camp

http://usera.imagecave.com/Valkman/Knives_Ive_Made/NewCamp1_sm.jpg

Then came a 6" version

http://usera.imagecave.com/Valkman/Knives_Ive_Made/6SC_2_sm.jpg

And the 7" that made Blade Mag

http://usera.imagecave.com/Valkman/7_Super_Camp/_MG_8673_websize.jpg

And then the fighters

http://usera.imagecave.com/Valkman/Seacowboys_Fighter/with_1911.jpg
http://usera.imagecave.com/Valkman/Fighters_Group_Buy/First3.jpg

Those Wheeler and Breed ones are fantastic!

JShirley
July 29, 2008, 11:40 PM
Greg,

Do I know you? I post as Spectre on BladeForums, though I haven't been around there much for a while...

J

gb6491
July 30, 2008, 12:04 AM
John,
I'm pretty sure we participated in a few of the same threads on the HI forum (I miss Uncle Bill). I'm think it was you that posted/linked a photo (B&W?) of a young lady holding a khukuri that I liked. My screen name there is Ripper (that was my dog's name; another good soul I miss). I haven't posted there much myself of late.
Regards,
Greg

Tom Krein
July 30, 2008, 12:08 AM
Not really a Bowie in the traditional since, but here is a knife I make called the Beast!

http://kreinknives.net/images/beast.jpg


:evil:

Tom

gb6491
July 30, 2008, 12:18 AM
Tom,
That beauty is aptly named; very nice work sir!
Regards,
Greg

Soap
July 30, 2008, 08:39 AM
gb6491,

Who made that sheath for your Bush Ranger?

Mike Sastre
July 30, 2008, 10:04 AM
HSO,

Far as I know, sometime in January, but dates haven't been firmed up. I'll have to talk with Kelly or Gary - need to make sure it doesn't conflict with SHOT.

Kilted,

Figured as much - notice I didn't say anything about men and dresses. :) I've got a little Scotland in my heritage, so am allowed that comment.

feedthehogs
July 30, 2008, 10:12 AM
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk136/bluffs_2008/bowie003.jpg

JShirley
July 30, 2008, 12:07 PM
Greg,

Thanks. Yeah, that was me.

I miss UB, too. :(

John

KiltedClaymore
July 30, 2008, 01:42 PM
I didn't say anything about men and dresses. I've got a little Scotland in my heritage, so am allowed that comment.


ok, but only that one. :D

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 30, 2008, 01:57 PM
Are Kabars and those Grecos really "Bowies"? In other words, when is a Bowie not a Bowie? Are there any ratios/proportions of say, width to length, rate of slope to length of the clip point (rise/run ratio), etc., within which a knife must fall to be a Bowie? Must it have a double guard of a certain length? In other words, does a good definition exist?

The Beast - I like that one a lot, Tom Krein. Are those Grecos sold in any retail stores? Where does one find them for sale?

gb6491
July 30, 2008, 02:19 PM
Who made that sheath for your Bush Ranger?

Daniel,

Dave Creger (http://www.walker47.com/w47/posse/posse%20dave.htm) when he was at Walker 47. I'm not sure if he is still affiliated with them.

I know he has his own shop:
Creger Custom Leather
364 S Tustin St
Orange, CA 92866
714 538 7704

Regards,
Greg

Soap
July 30, 2008, 02:21 PM
Thanks Greg!

hso
July 30, 2008, 05:16 PM
Premium Sauces,

Just because a knife has a clip point and a cross guard doesn't make it a Bowie. Matter of fact there's considerable debate over what a "bowie" looks like. Since there's no picture of the knife used in the Sandbar Fight and the best description is from a newspaper article written long after the fight AND there were several versions called Bowie knives that sprung out of the popular myth that James Bowie became, it can get downright difficult to say what is a "Bowie knife".

Which of these 3 knives are Bowie knives?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Fowlerkn.JPG/330px-Fowlerkn.JPG
http://www.arkansashistory.com/images/gallery/ham_gal_knife08.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Bowie_knife_1.jpg/330px-Bowie_knife_1.jpg

KiltedClaymore
July 30, 2008, 06:25 PM
trick question hso. all three are bowies. the top is a "Union Bowie" i belive. saw it at atlanta cutlery.

the middle looks like a coffin handles bowie.

and the bottom is a Black pattern i think.

The Tourist
July 30, 2008, 06:41 PM
hso, the correct answer is the Searles Bowie.

Rezin Bowie gave Searles Bowie knives away as engraved gifts. Many still exist.

And while the newspapers of that era reported that during the Vadalia/Nachez Sandbar Fight, Jim's knife was a "large butcher knife," he actually borrowed the knife from Rezin.

Ergo, the Searles is most likely the real knife.

(But you knew that before I told you, you sly boots. What that a trick question?)

Mongrel
July 30, 2008, 07:54 PM
PremiumSauces: Are Kabars and those Grecos really "Bowies"? In other words, when is a Bowie not a Bowie? Are there any ratios/proportions of say, width to length, rate of slope to length of the clip point (rise/run ratio), etc., within which a knife must fall to be a Bowie? Must it have a double guard of a certain length? In other words, does a good definition exist?

The Beast - I like that one a lot, Tom Krein. Are those Grecos sold in any retail stores? Where does one find them for sale?

Well, the OP did say "large" knives so I figured I'd take a chance :D.

I have always considered the KABAR pattern blade a "Bowie" style knife because of the size and the clipped point. Maybe not completely accurate but it worked for me.

So technically a few of the knives I've shown are not 'Bowie' patterns at all, but do fall on the side of 'large' knives. Also, the lower knife in the second pic is called a "Whisper Fighter" and was reviewed in Tactical Knives awhile back. The article raved about it's balance and speed and commented on the purely "fighting" blade pattern. I thought it belonged here based on that. The 'funky' blade is John's "Kukri" and at 14" long is definately a "large" knife. I personally feel that the design of the tip puts it firmly in the "fighting knife" camp. Lastly, the Benchmade is basically a modified clip that is descriped in various places as "a Bowie style blade". I just like it, no matter what it's called, because it's a great blade design for just about anything I've encountered. :)

Yes-you can purchase Grecos, but not at any retail store I am aware of. At the risk of potential loss of capitol :banghead:, there are four places you can get them...

You can see quite a few of his traditional styles as well as the more 'plain' and 'tactical' models I've shown on his website. John Greco's website here:

http://http://www.grecoknives.com/

Also you can find them here:

http://http://www.bladeart.com/artists/john_greco/john_greco.htm

John also sells quite a bit on Ebay (and for ridiculous prices I might add). Just search for 'john greco knife'.

Lastly you can get them through private sales (nudge-nudge), which you may see here at The High Road shortly (wink-wink).

While there are considerable opinions on the quality variation of John's knives over the years, I've NEVER heard anyone who has seen, used, or bought one say that they weren't worth the money.

jahwarrior
July 30, 2008, 08:10 PM
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s37/jahwarrior72/armoury/newfrigginpics21.jpg

CS mini gurkha, CRKT hissatsu, and winchester bowie.

hso
July 31, 2008, 12:14 AM
What about these?
http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/adp/history/bios/bio_images/James_Black.jpg


http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/adp/history/bios/bio_images/stafford.jpg



http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/adp/history/bios/bio_images/perkins.jpg

Out of all half dozen knives (these 3 and the previous 3), which is the "real" Bowie? :evil:

The Tourist
July 31, 2008, 01:55 AM
hso, you know that there is no historical record--beyond the sandbar fight--that Jim Bowie ever owned a knife again.

After the Alamo, Santa Ana made a very precise inventory of all of the food, flour and gunpowder remaining in the church. No knife.

Some people opine that a Mexican soldier may have stolen it.

However, ten days later Sam Houston caught the Mexican army flat-footed at San Jacinto, and killed just about every man within 15 minutes.

Houston also did an inventory. No knife.

Are you teasing these members with an urban legend?

Tom Krein
July 31, 2008, 02:13 AM
picture #6 most closely fits the description of the knife used in the Sandbar fight in my mind...

Tom

JShirley
July 31, 2008, 02:19 AM
I'd like #4 if it were large enough, and had a guard.

And didn't have all that damn writing on the blade.

J

ArfinGreebly
July 31, 2008, 02:30 AM
Very like that #6 in essential form.

I'll have to dig it up and shoot a pic.

hso
July 31, 2008, 11:45 AM
Which is a "real" Bowie knife? The answer is, it depends.

There's the knife Jim Bowie used at the Sandbar Fight. That has been described as a large butcher knife that his brother Rezin claimed to have made and given to Jim for hunting. Whether Rezin actually forged the blade or blacksmiths Clift or Snowden or Black or ... made it from Rezin's "design" is not established as fact.

There are the knives that were given by Rezin and Jim as "tokens" after Jim Bowie's fame spread. These were made by various cutlers and appear to have evolved in shape and complexity and have various levels of ornateness. Some of the knives that stake a claim may or may not have even come from either of the Bowie brothers. The power of the popular hero status Jim Bowie had motivated any number of people to claim they had a knife that Rezin or Jim gave to them or that the family had inherited.

There are the "commercial" knives that various knifemakers/manufacturers made in the mid 19th C based upon the popular hero status of Jim Bowie.

What does appear to be fact is that Jim Bowie used a pretty simple large "butcher/hunting" knife in the infamous Sandbar Fight in Mississippi. His brother Rezin either made or had it made. Later he used a knife to defend himself against hired killers in TX. That may, or may not, have been Black's knife. After Jim became famous the knife evolved as the brothers had various cutlers make "Bowie knives" to give as tokens to admirers or people they wanted to influence. Whether Jim Bowie carried any one of these evolved patterns for any extended period of time is hotly debated. There's nothing directly from him saying he did or didn't, but there are a whole raft of correspondence from the period indicating he did. There's every reason to think that outside of "polite" society he did. Who the makers of some of these knives that are attributed to the Bowie brothers is also hotly debated by historians and authorities on the knife itself. Searles and Black being the most commonly discussed.

Then there's the 19thC "commercial" Bowie Knives that makers that had no relationship to the Bowie brothers made. These were made in America and Sheffield and played off the notoriety of Jim Bowie and the mythology around him and "Bowie's knife" to fill the demand.

So, depending upon perspective ALL six of those knives are "Bowie Knives" (and that's leaving out all the secondary bowies from "back east" American knife makers and those from Sheffield), but not one of them can be proven to be "the" knife Jim Bowie used at the Sandbar or the Alamo.

See how difficult it gets to be when an iconic item is lost in history and it's characteristics have to be pieced together from old correspondence, oral history, vague newspaper articles, hotly debated opinions of historians and knife experts, and then fight with what "everyone knows".:evil:

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 31, 2008, 01:55 PM
How come these Tennesseeans and Wisconsonians know so much about Texas history - suffer from a little Texas envy? :evil:

hso
July 31, 2008, 02:04 PM
PS,

T'ain't "Texas" history. Remember, Jim Bowie didn't set foot in Texas until he was at least 34 years old (born in KY, moved to TN then MO and grew up in LA) and none of the six Bowie knives shown were made in Texas (mostly MS and AR).

Might want to brush up on that "Texas history" some.;)

The Tourist
July 31, 2008, 03:39 PM
hso, don't you find it odd that one of the most important figures in Texas history would now be arrested for carrying the same knife (if he did in fact use one) used to establish the state in the first place?

You cannot carry a knife in Texas over 5.5 inches long.

Gunfighter123
July 31, 2008, 03:53 PM
A out of production Paragon Larry Harley "Battle Bowie"

hso
July 31, 2008, 04:35 PM
TT,

Bowie knives are banned by name in several states due to the attempts to get rid of dueling in the 19thC. Those and "Arkansas Toothpicks".

While ironic, it's not too surprising.

BTW, not too many people know that Jim Bowie swore allegiance to the Spanish crown and to the Mexican government during his lifetime.

jhansman
August 1, 2008, 01:16 AM
I'm kind of partial to this Linder:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/jhansman/linp161120.jpg

Not American, but still nice.

The Tourist
August 1, 2008, 01:27 AM
Jim Bowie swore allegiance to the Spanish crown

Picky, picky.

I swore allegiance to 40 sweaty men in the basement of a motorcycle shop.

It doesn't mean I don't love freedom or feel the tug of gratitude to those who secured it.

Popular lore tells that Jim Bowie died after being bayonetted by several Mexican soldiers after he emptied several pistols.

Ya' gotta love a rogue like that.;)

Tom Krein
August 1, 2008, 01:59 AM
Those and "Arkansas Toothpicks

Actually the Arkansas Toothpick historically refered to the Bowie knife.

It has only relatively recently become a term for a double edged dagger or dirk... thanks to Hollywood.


Tom

Wolfman_556
August 2, 2008, 08:53 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/Wahya/HPIM0362.jpg

My customized ATC Rogers' Rangers Spike Tomahawk with my BK&T "Hog Hunter" Combat Bowie.


I really like them as a combo.

JShirley
August 2, 2008, 09:00 PM
Heh. Old and New.

I like it.

John

Claymore1500
August 2, 2008, 09:28 PM
http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/f050aNFhIgNqNdgiblajWlYYNLBLO-ZvQebxv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg

I know they are not all "bowies" but they are big.

Wolfman_556
August 2, 2008, 10:06 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/Wahya/HPIM0586.jpg


I've had this Camillus "KaBar" forever and it's been a great knife.




RIP Camillus, one of my favorite knife manufacturers of all time :(

garlicguy
August 3, 2008, 06:34 PM
The pix in this thread are inspiring me to spend money (that I probably shouldn't but that's never stopped me in the past). My poor wife. Now I'll be shopping around for one of those Marine Corps - lookin' Kabars.

Thanks! (I guess).

Meanwhile, as to hso's comment:
"See how difficult it gets to be when an iconic item is lost in history and it's characteristics have to be pieced together from old correspondence, oral history, vague newspaper articles, hotly debated opinions of historians and knife experts, and then fight with what "everyone knows".

Heck. That's nothin'. You should hear me discuss my toejam, fungus and toenails with my doctor. Now that gets lost in history!

:D
gg

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 10, 2008, 11:19 PM
I got a pic taken of my small collection of "blades larger than a standard Ka-bar Marine knife" - Cold Steel machete, Cheness Inc. 21" chisa katana (aka ko-katana), crappy but classically-shaped large Bowie that came with my LSI Puma 92 rifle, and British model 1907 long bayo (for SMLEs).

These are pretty crappy compared to what's been posted so far, but hey, I thought I'd play too - someone has to be the "loser". :)

I consider that 1907 bayo to be just about the best toe-to-toe home defense fighting weapon besides a gun, with the chisa katana a close second place.

P.S. This may be the coolest eye candy thread in this subforum ever. Awesome stuff!

hankdatank1362
August 11, 2008, 12:10 PM
It has only relatively recently become a term for a double edged dagger or dirk... thanks to Hollywood.

And Pee Wee Gaskins, that murdering SOB...

T.R.
August 11, 2008, 09:30 PM
This is my KA bar knife. Someone at Ka bar was influenced by James Bowie.

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/KA-BAR.jpg

hso
August 12, 2008, 12:44 AM
T.R. the folks that designed the USMC Fighting/Utility Knife and USN Mk II took the design of the blade almost directly from the Marbles knife that was commercially available before the war (Marbles even made a submission for the contract). Since there wasn't much agreement on what a Bowie Knife was until the "Iron Mistress" came out (even though almost certainly incorrectly depicted), it's quite unlikely the "KaBar" was inspired by the Bowie.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 12, 2008, 10:06 PM
Anyone got an extra cheap run down Ka-bar for sell? I've got a nice Blackhawk sheath for one, but no knife that fits it.

Eric Draven
August 13, 2008, 05:14 PM
Nice bowies Guys....really nice.

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