[CZ 75 BD]

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/03/08/38437182.shtml?Element_ID=38437182

Looks like his Dept. let him down:(

[F4GIB]

No. The public's right to know about the background of "public servants" was vindicated.

[Jeff White]

F4GIB,

Does the public have the right to know the social security numbers of all it's employees? Does the officer have the right to know when his agency receives death threats against him?

This is a bit different then having your salary published in the local newspaper. They do that here. Greatly upsets some of the people I work with, but I think the public has a right to know where their money is going. I don't think they have a right to my social security number.

Jeff

[EJ]

If you're a cop the city and (certain limited segments of ) -- the public believe they OWN you--

It just isn't worth it--

15 years was enough for me---

[hammer4nc]

When public servants screw up, and are subsequently cleared of all wrongdoing by the "official investigations", what's left besides the court of public opinion? The modern answer, of course, is parody websites. In the spirit of a Jay Leno monologue, the following piece hits home:


http://www.putnampit.com/
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The second annual Cokevial Dog Shoot, sponsored by the Police League and the Cokevial Department of Leisure, will be held Jan. 1st, 2004.

The Dog Shoot is a family terror program for police officers. This is a unique program that encourages close adult-animal activities while pulling over cars on the Interstate. All animals are killed in front of the driver and videotaped for future viewing.

The local shoot consists of two divisions: Civil Rights and Animal Rights. Two champions, one in each division, will advance to the World Championship of Violators in Selma.

The Dog Shoot will be Thursday, Jan. 1st, on I-40 between Nashville and Cookeville. Denials of wrongdoing will follow.

Come watch the kids shoot and cheer them on!!!
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Wouldn't it be the ultimate irony, if officer Hall ultimately wins a huge lawsuit, retires set for life, all because he blew a dog's head off?

[TheeBadOne]

The suit alleges the Putnam Pit's editor, Geoffrey Davidian, requested and received a copy of Hall's personnel file, including his Social Security number, driver's license number, birth certificate, Hall's fingerprints, the names of his wife and children, and his parents' names and places of employment. The suit states that all the information was placed on the Putnam Pit's Web site.
In my state there are specific rules about what an employer can release. Any beefs on record and be release, any dicipline can be released, and any letter, certificates, awards can be released. The items underlined in red are way out of line and in my state would cost the employer a pretty penny.
The city also was at fault because Hall was not notified that his file had been released and to whom, according to the lawsuit.
Another big no-no. When someone requests a copy of your file you are to be notified.
In addition, Hall alleges that after his personnel file was published on the Web site, the Cookeville Police Department received ''numerous articles of hate mail … some of which contained death threats against Officer Hall'' and his family. The suit charges that this information was withheld from Hall.
Does this even need discussion? I suspect that's improper, no matter what state you live in.

[Tamara]

Employment history? Fine.

Pertinent data such as evals, instructors comments, reprimands? Hunky dory.

All the data in his personnel file? Out of line. There was no reason for anyone other than the IRS to know his SSN, f'rinstance. Hope the trigger-happy dog-zapper wins his suit, 'cause no matter my opinion of his previous actions, two wrongs don't make a right. As folks are so fond of repeating in other threads, cops are civilians too, and civilians have civil rights.

[Cal4D4]

We have a right and a need to know that we have quality people in that job position. The public has a right to know about unusual emotional baggage an officer might carry. Family shouldn't be laid open to victimization by some of the miscreants the officer must deal harshly with. Not all citizens have a good grasp on decency and reality.

[Smurfslayer]

Film at 11...

Seems this butt face is ticked off because he's being treated just like any other person would - without a badge - for committing a crime against the public which creates public outrage. Now he wants "special treatment" because, well... He thinks he's special :rolleyes:

Tough cookies. This happens to citizens routinely for far less. What's more, the media typically reports in "Push poll" fashion for the local law - this isn't always intentional, or bad, but it happens. Something like:

Phil Suckiliewski was arrested for possession of a firearm today. Police charged him with unlawful firearms possession, possession of several thousand rounds of ammunition... etc...

Deputy John Law said " It took us 45 minutes just to get all the guns out. It looks like we'll be taking ammunition out until tommorrow. There's a lot" When asked what tipped off the police to the arsenal, Deputy Law said "an anonymous informant". Mr. Suckiliewski is being held without bond in the Greybar county jail.

In my opinion, all this attention has kept the situation on an even keel. Without all the media scrutiny, far worse could've happened to the perpetrator of the dog shooting. If Stephen Hatfill is a "person of interest" then this guy deserves pretty much the same treatment.

[Jerry Morris]

Tamara, you make an interesting point. I wasn't going to post on this thread and after thinking it over logged back on to do so.

I agree, SSN is nobodies business but mine and Social Security Administration. Dad was fond of repeating the promises of the Big Lie, you'll never be a number! It is only for S.S.A.s uses.

Well, now, it is the IRS and everyone else that sticks their finger into the pie. Until recently Ohio BMV demanded it be on your Operators License. And every year I still have to produce it at the registrars office to renew, for either plates,or the less occassional OL!

I don't like to rag cops, some of my friends are cops. But, it is a fact of life that particular cop could use the refusal of anyone to give him their SSN as an excuse to go downtown!

Yup, he is a civilian, he is getting a bite just like the rest of us in that respect. You don't like it and I don't like it. But, what is there to do about it? All the info in his file is available to any felon who is smart enough to use Public Records to get them, or pay someone who is. If this is the particular cop I am thinking of, I got no pity for him.

BIG BROTHER is here and it ain't a nice thought. How many cops are going against the flow? My friends say they would like to, BUT!,,,,,,.....

Jerry

[C.R.Sam]

including his Social Security number, driver's license number, birth certificate, Hall's fingerprints, the names of his wife and children, and his parents' names and places of employment.
Whether cop, crook or candlemaker...
That info should not have been released.
Nor should it have been published.

Not by any employer.

Sam

[Erik]

Yep.

I hope he wins big.

I also hope his wife wins big, and his parents as well.

We are, after all, discussing a family whose protected information was divulged.

$$$

[Jerry Morris]

C.R, this sort of gives one an inkling of the quality of that local government, does it not? Someone sold someone downriver! That someone was a part of the machine, as well.

I am tending to call it Par.

Jerry

[Jerry Morris]

Erik, a point to ponder. I am not considering the family, in this thread. They are worth the same consideration as any family of a felon, caught in the act of commiting a felony. Yes, they are impacted.

But, I consider the impact brought on by the actions of the guy who now wants big bucks, because he screwed up in the first place. AND he did screw up!

Jerry

[Quartus]

Tough cookies. This happens to citizens routinely for far less.

:rolleyes: Well, let's see.... For starters, most cops ARE "citizens". Not many PDs hire on green cards, y'know.

On to that other matter... Really? PDs are releasing the "Social Security number, driver's license number, birth certificate, ... fingerprints, the names of his wife and children, and his parents' names and places of employment" of people they arrest?

When has that happened?


And even if it has, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

[OEF_VET]

OK, the cop made a mistake. That doesn't mean everyone on the 'net needs to know his SSN. How many times has CNN shown a persons SSN as part of their news story? Hmmmm, can't remember ever seeing that. Or seeing a birth certificate, or family addresses. They might occassionally show a D/L picture, or fingerprints, if they're germane to the story. They may also show the family on the way to court or at their house, being pestered by the media, but they don't generally say 'While we were casually standing outside 111 Elm Street, Anytown, USA, the parents of John Q. AccusedRapist left for work today." That information isn't germane to the story, and the public doesn't need to know it.

My gut tells me that some public servant was getting tired of attention being brought to his/her department of the city government, and gave out the info, hoping it would send the unwanted attention somewhere else. I hope the cop wins and the department has to pay through the nose. He shouldn't get rich off of his actions, but the city shouldn't get away with its' actions either. What should happen is he should be compensated enough so that he and his parents can find new places to reside, away from the prying eyes and dangerous minds of those who would do him and his harm.

Frank