i lost my knife sharpener...


July 29, 2008, 01:24 PM
it's hard to lose an electric sharpener, but i did. looked everywhere, and no dice. anyone have recomendations for a new one?

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The Tourist
July 29, 2008, 01:26 PM
...my address...:D

July 29, 2008, 01:27 PM
will i ever see my knives again? :neener:

The Tourist
July 29, 2008, 01:46 PM
...not the really nice ones...:D

Give me a shout if you need help. If you'd like to buy equipment, I can point you in the right direction.

July 29, 2008, 01:52 PM
i've tried many different systems, and although i likes my electric sharpener, it's expencive to replace. i was thinking mabe a manual sharpener, you know, the type were you place the blade inside the groove and draw the sharpener along the blade.

July 29, 2008, 04:18 PM
Freehand stones aren't too expensive, and it's fun and rewarding to learn.

July 29, 2008, 04:20 PM
oh i know HOW to use free hand, im an eagle scout. i just like the ease of not having to do free hand. i got spoiled by my electric one.

July 29, 2008, 05:40 PM

Being an Eagle Scout you should know this.
For darn sure if you are OA.

Yes, I am OA btw...*snicker*

1. You got kids? How about Nieces and/or Nephews?

2. Get the kids to sharpen your knives after you teach them freehand sharpening using a Norton and/or diamond stones, and dry strop.

*smart huh?*

"Be Prepared" is not just for Scouts ya know, and we are supposed to pass forward.
I mean how many knives did you sharpen in Scouting for Scoutmasters and others?

Problems ain't no thang, who has another one?


July 29, 2008, 05:46 PM
been voted OA like 5 time, never got around to doing the Ordeal. and what luck! my 10 year old niece is staying with us until saturday! never though of using child labor.....GENIUS!!!

July 29, 2008, 07:27 PM
what luck! my 10 year old niece is staying with us until saturday! never though of using child labor.....GENIUS!!!

It is called Mentoring you big dummy! *grin*

Humm, I made Life, ( then life stuff got in the way) was OA, (its sorta both neat and sucky to get tapped first) and I was the first one back...
It ain't everyday I get to correct a Eagle Scout.


Oh young ladies are neat! They sit in your lap and their hands on your hands and learn to freehand.
At my age a 40 year lady is a "young lady" , and I am an "Adopted Uncle" to some of these.
I sorta like this role I have a lot. Being single, and Freehander, is great!

I bet them Doo-dad folks never hear "moOm! Its my turn to sit in Uncle 'teves lap!"

Freehand 1
Doo-dad 0


July 29, 2008, 07:40 PM
it's really funny because she lived in chicago, and just moved to Anarbor, MI. two of the most gun-unfriendly places. two years ago, i got her a rifle and taught her how to shoot. i introduced her to pistol yesterday. oh the stories she will tell when she starts school! :D

July 29, 2008, 08:11 PM
Boy Scouts is how I get my axe sharpened. I have my knife which I sharpen but then there is another knife that gets sharpened as needed when someone needs to fulfill a requirement. It is good to be the Scoutmaster

July 29, 2008, 08:27 PM
I bet the tourist or steve took your doo-dad...

Honestly though, you say you have good sharpening skills...I can't believe you don't just want to do it the right way with stones.

Maybe you should look into getting a blade that isn't stainless. It takes all of 30 seconds to put a shaving edge on my knife...

July 29, 2008, 08:31 PM
i have a mix of stainless and carbon steel blades. my problem is that THERE ARE SOOO MANY OF THEM!!! plus, it takes awhile to hand stone a 18 inch machete and a 36 inch cutlass. plus 2 axes and a hatchet.

Honestly though, you say you have good sharpening skills...I can't believe you don't just want to do it the right way with stones.

because im lazier than a three toed sloth. at least durring summer vacation.

July 29, 2008, 08:42 PM
I bet the tourist or steve took your doo-dad...

Nah, we wouldn't do that!

Chico and I have a thang going on.

Basically we are on the same page, making folks think, investigate and verify for themselves.

This ain't no cookie-cutter deal we gots going on either. We ain't gonna spoon fed ya, you gotta grab the spoon yourself.

It is all good, one is supposed investigate, verify, and keep on trucking down the road with learning new stuff, and passing forward the old ways.

Oh heck phooey!

Excuse me, it seems Chico is trying to figure out how to attach a seat to his Edge Pro, and done stuck hisself to the thing with glue.
Something about a lady client coming over and wanting to learn how to sharpen...


Personally I find it easier just to sit next to a lady on the sofa, with the A.G.Russel "V" sharpener and show how to use that doo-dad.

She had some surgery on her weak hand, and freehand sharping was sorta difficult, so she got a doo-dad.


July 30, 2008, 09:53 AM
Are you referring to a grinding wheel? Don't ruin your knives' temper by using an electric sharpener like that (at least that is what I have heard--I don't know that for fact). Those different grit diamond "stones" with the holes will sharpen most blades quickly. I found a cheap one at Harbor Freight Tools with a choice of 4 grits. It seems to work fairly well for the price, but I've never compared it to the expensive DMT brand.

The Tourist
July 30, 2008, 12:08 PM
When I approach sharpening--and that includes studying history and modern innovations--I steal now more than I did as a child.

Yes, I own Edge Pro products. Two, full size, full scope "Pro" models and every stone Ben Dale sells. In fact, I have helped Ben create new products he now sells.

I also study Japanese books on samurai sword history and their methods of polishing. I have some of their stones for that sharpening regimen.

I steal from bikers who create show bikes. I use two varieties of their pastes.

And I invent things, all sorts of things. Metal brackets, shims, brass rods, over-size steels for large knives, glass, and hides to name a few.

If I caught sm with a laser, a stone and a grin I'd track him down and steal his backpack.

The edge is the manner in which a tinker is judged, and it's the only manner.

July 30, 2008, 12:39 PM
Are you referring to a grinding wheel

no. im talking about an electric diamond hone.

July 30, 2008, 12:40 PM
If I caught sm with a laser, a stone and a grin I'd track him down and steal his backpack.

You sitting down? *grin*.
I do use a laser and stone. *cool*

Did I ever mention I used to collect corks from bottles of spirits?
There are some really works of art in regard to corks, just as there are in wooden cigar boxes and cigar wraps.
I really like the looks of the cork in that bottle of tequila you shared.

I don't drink, and they just don't use corks for Dr. Pepper...*frump*

Ah yes, there is a Art & Science in using a laser, and stone.

To prevent "misty" or "slurry" in a barn, maintenance shed, pole barn,etc, one uses a laser pointer until the Feral Cat raises a burr. The burr comes just after the "cat dance".

One only needs to raise one burr.
This is akin to Eastern sharpening whereas Western Sharpening requires one to raise two burrs.

When the one burr has raised on the Feral Cat , one waits until the FC is outside with a safe backstop and shoots the FC.
Then one can continue using the stone they were using.

Sharpening Skills is sharpening skills.


The Tourist
July 30, 2008, 08:39 PM
sm, if you gaze at the background picture of the gloves I use when riding, you'll see some of the stones I use that were drying after a cleaning.

No lasers, though, dang...

July 30, 2008, 09:25 PM
SM and Tourist have inspired me........

After reading this thread I remembered that I have several knives that "needed attention".

My CRKT Crawford Falcon that rides around in the side pocket of my laptop bag everyday has not had it's edge addressed in awhile. Specifically not since I was under the house running some network cable and had to use it for some impromptu drilling. Actually to enlarge a hole I'd drilled too small. (The drill was in the house, I was under the house, it was only a little bit too small, and I was lazy).

Also my Leatherman C301 (actually both of them) needed attention. I'd peeled and sliced a peach this morning at work (fresh off the tree in my backyard) and it performed a little worse than expected. It's seen too much use and not enough attention.

And while I was at it my cheap chinese 13.00 fixed blade from Walmart that I find myself hunting with more often than not (It's so damn sharp and handy I can't help using it. I know it's cheap and chinese, but the darn thing works!) was a little worse for wear. It's been sitting atop a shelf over the kitchen sink since last deer season.

Well, out comes the gerber steel and the homemade dry strop and some elbow grease. I now have a bare spot on the inside of my left leg from "testing".


Now where did I leave that Buck fixed blade???

August 1, 2008, 05:45 PM
sharpening guide for a beginer?

August 1, 2008, 06:09 PM
SM and Tourist have inspired me........

Now that right there is scary, and I don't care if do you have a I ain't Skeered sticker on your back glass!

The Tourist
August 1, 2008, 07:30 PM
Good night, man. If you can't go shopping for tequila and find women of your own, I doubt my involvement will be much help.

August 1, 2008, 07:54 PM
He does know I sharpen for living only, doesn't he?

A little secret...there will always be those that don't know, and always be those that know more about a business they are not in. *yep*

I do not sharpen for a living.
I do have girls bring me a cup of coffee, homemade baked goods and even sit in my lap to assist them with knife stuff and sharpening free hand.

Free-Hand - 2
Doo-Dad - 0

Hey Chico!
Maybe we can get take this show on the road.
I have this real hankering to hear a live band in a Roadhouse where the band is behind the cage.

You can set up at one end of the bar, I am going to sit on Harley up near the cage and do free hand.

You are checked out on ducking pool cues, long neck beer bottles while you sharpen a knife - right?

The Tourist
August 1, 2008, 08:00 PM
Ducking pool cues? Where were you in 1972. I was an ace.

I'm not sure my sense of humor has won me any friends at THR. As you remember, someone asked me about removing a burr and I wrote a treatise on getting the cork out of a bottle of Patron.

They have no one to blame but themselves. They ask me things like, "Chico, tell us how you came to excel at this."

And then they frown when I respond, "An old girl friend owned a liquor store..."

"No, no, the sharpening, the sharpening, you lout...!"

August 1, 2008, 08:11 PM
He does know I sharpen for living only, doesn't he?

Of course I do smart@$$. :D. You talk about sharpening more than I do about shotguns :neener:

You do it for a living, I do it when my knives get dull, or a friend's knife gets dull, or a friend buys a cheap piece of crap only marginally harder than aluminum at a flea market and brings it to me to try to sharpen. Those friends get lectures on steel and buying quality.......

But wait, didn't I mention a 13.00 cheap chinese walmart knife that goes hunting with me? Yep, sure did. Works great too. I was pleasantly surprised.
I originally purchased it to use as a pattern to make one in a decent steel (I liked the blade pattern). Turns out I didn't have to it worked fine as is, been using it for 5 or 6 seasons now. Sometimes the chinese do turn out a good product.

I've been messing around the last few years with hammer, anvil and forge. I do a pretty good blade. Not pretty, but pretty good. I've got one in the vise now that's going to a CSF.com member once it's finished. Blade is forged and ground, steel's been normalized 3 cycles, now to harden/temper/sharpen and and she's ready for delivery. after some micarta goes on the tang that is.

I'm no pro, but a more than passable amateur...........;)

August 1, 2008, 08:57 PM
I've been messing around the last few years with hammer, anvil and forge.

He does shotguns too.

How you fixed on shotguns Chico?
Your not huh?
This is your lucky day. I can help with this.
I mean I like you, I care, and I wanna see your knife bidness continue to grow.

Not all clients are Black Betty Patrons ( yes, I am right proud of that pun, thank you very much! some prefer shotguns.

Clients that shoot competitions and awards include knives. Those that participate in fine gentleman and ladies Southern Quail Hunts.
Woodcock, Pheasant and Ducks.

Ain't nothing sexier than a fine shotgun being handled...

You need to holler at a buddy of mine, and let him fix you up!

Stay Sharp! - Will Fennell

August 1, 2008, 09:06 PM
Ducking pool cues? Where were you in 1972. I was an ace.

Eleventh Grade.

It ain't hustling, some folks just pay money to learn how to do something is all - Mentors

Pool cues, ping pong paddles, parts off and items around a pin ball machine, shotguns...

I don't know what kind of raising Sarah Brady had, but I was having a Good Time!


August 1, 2008, 09:06 PM
Ain't nothing sexier than a fine shotgun being handled...

Indeed. I got to handle a fine example of an LC Smith side by side a few weekends ago. Being someone who usually uses a synthetic stock deep in the briars (shame to mess up good wood), I was almost scared to breathe on it much less shoot it.

Now I want one. Not good. Mrs. will not be pleased..........

Will have to check out the Fennell book (Edited: Oops a sig line, not a book, but enough posts to read to make a book probably :D). I have read several and have picked the brains of some local smiths when I have been able to.

Not really a business for me, more of a hobby. I like sharp pointy things and I like to learn, so..........

I figure by the time I'm well seasoned and ready to retire from the rehab game (25 or 30 years from now)maybe I can sell a few knives for ammo money every now and then :D.

Till then I'll hammer hot steel and fuss at friends who buy cheap crap knives from the flea market.

August 1, 2008, 09:08 PM
to retire from the rehab game

Basically I work with my head for a living, for fun and stress reduction I work with my hands. Otherwise I'd need some of the same services I'm providing. ;)

August 1, 2008, 09:22 PM
I use DMT stones mostly for sharpening knives, usually the fine grit although I have a coarse and very fine DMT as well.

I don't recommend electric sharpeners for anything other than cheap kitchen knives that you don't care about. I did use my "Chef's Choice" electric sharpener on my 12" machete once. Takes a lot of steel off. The diamond sharperners work just fine on machetes and axes. The ones on the handle are easy to work with on long "utility" blades like the machete.

August 1, 2008, 10:23 PM
Only electric sharpener we ever had was the one on the back of the can opener when I was growing up. Many an Old Hickory was likely ruined with that old POS.

I've got a few diamond laps in various grits, a gerber steel (the kind that folds into a leather handle), a few homemade leather strops and an old ceramic block I got at a flea market (wasn't I bad mouthing flea markets a few posts back) about 10-12 years ago (I know I was married to a different woman then than I am now, so it was at least 10 years). That ceramic block works great. A few arkansas stones around and some other various and sundry rough things to rub metal on.

Need to get some of those fancy water stones I see Tourist talking about a lot. Those put a pretty edge on a knife. Of course I'm sure his skill has more to do with that than the tool. ;)

The Tourist
August 1, 2008, 11:10 PM
I'm sure his skill has more to do with that

...well, of course. Stay away from the carmalized stuff and drink pure agave. Then, don't try any fancy lines, just talk to her...

Oh, you mean sharpening again, don't you?

Call Ben Dale at Edge Pro. He has all of the stuff to get you going. In fact, I sharpened commercially for a few years using just his off-the-shelf products.

August 1, 2008, 11:17 PM
Then, don't try any fancy lines, just talk to her...

yeah, those always got me in trouble.

Of course the agave usually started it.

Master of Arms
August 3, 2008, 07:33 PM
I have 2 stones and a 5" wideX3` long piece of leather. I enjoy sharpening by hand. I found stones on ebay for great prices. My favorite is an Arkansas stone. It really does the job and it was only 12 bucks. Just thought I`d add this tid-bit

August 4, 2008, 06:49 AM
around here is fascinating. Sort of like the warp drive on the starship Enterprise. You just point her in the right direction, drop the hammer and suddenly you're on the other side of known space.:D Was that original post about an electric sharpener or an eclectic sharpener? In any event you should never use power equipment and tequila at the same time - it could be entertaining but you probably can't explain it to your wife. Just for the record, El Tesoro de Don Felipe, anejo will cure you of any desire for lesser expressions of the blue agave. Salut.

The Tourist
August 4, 2008, 11:38 AM
Actually, we simply uncovered the world of sharpening.

Contrary to what some will tell you, shaprening is more of a craft, and the skill of the tinker is as much a factor as the tools he uses.

If you are looking for a job that quantifies materials, and provides the kind of condition that may appeal to an engineer, this ain't the job.

It's an art. Either you are born with a certain type of hand-eye coordination or you're not. And you can usually pick out the guys who might be good simply by watching them adjust something--like the tension on a bolt. Some guys are good, most cannot even succeed with torque wrench.

And along with that artsy-fartsy way of approaching life comes a lust for other attributes of that life. Yes, we joke about tequila and charming a woman, but the fact remains that you'll never sharpen a knife to a scary edge if cannot become the life of the party.

On KF/KS we have a very sincere individual who tries to re-invent my methods and the art of my hand instead of simply defying convention to become his own polisher. He will often lament that he cannot achieve that final, last lick of sharpness. He remarks that he is 99% there.

Say what you like, but in many ways I was born to sharpen, ride a bike and talk your wife into dumping you. Call it "la dolce' vita," or the gift of gab, or "kissing the Blarney Stone," but if you do not have it as an intrinsic part of your character, you will never attain it.

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